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Bob Dylan dot com ^ | 5-13-11 | Bob Dylan

Posted on 05/13/2011 5:39:33 AM PDT by Mr. Blonde

Allow me to clarify a couple of things about this so-called China controversy which has been going on for over a year. First of all, we were never denied permission to play in China. This was all drummed up by a Chinese promoter who was trying to get me to come there after playing Japan and Korea. My guess is that the guy printed up tickets and made promises to certain groups without any agreements being made. We had no intention of playing China at that time, and when it didn't happen most likely the promoter had to save face by issuing statements that the Chinese Ministry had refused permission for me to play there to get himself off the hook. If anybody had bothered to check with the Chinese authorities, it would have been clear that the Chinese authorities were unaware of the whole thing.

We did go there this year under a different promoter. According to Mojo magazine the concerts were attended mostly by ex-pats and there were a lot of empty seats. Not true. If anybody wants to check with any of the concert-goers they will see that it was mostly Chinese young people that came. Very few ex-pats if any. The ex-pats were mostly in Hong Kong not Beijing. Out of 13,000 seats we sold about 12,000 of them, and the rest of the tickets were given away to orphanages. The Chinese press did tout me as a sixties icon, however, and posted my picture all over the place with Joan Baez, Che Guevara, Jack Kerouac and Allen Ginsberg. The concert attendees probably wouldn't have known about any of those people. Regardless, they responded enthusiastically to the songs on my last 4 or 5 records. Ask anyone who was there. They were young and my feeling was that they wouldn't have known my early songs anyway.

As far as censorship goes, the Chinese government had asked for the names of the songs that I would be playing. There's no logical answer to that, so we sent them the set lists from the previous 3 months. If there were any songs, verses or lines censored, nobody ever told me about it and we played all the songs that we intended to play.

Everybody knows by now that there's a gazillion books on me either out or coming out in the near future. So I'm encouraging anybody who's ever met me, heard me or even seen me, to get in on the action and scribble their own book. You never know, somebody might have a great book in them.


TOPICS: Music/Entertainment
KEYWORDS: china; dylan; icon; music
The third paragraph is most relevant to if he was censored or not. I think his setlists are all published so it should be relatively easy to find out if he had been playing any of the songs MoDo thought he should have played in China.
1 posted on 05/13/2011 5:39:36 AM PDT by Mr. Blonde
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To: scott says

You have the Dylan ping list correct?


2 posted on 05/13/2011 5:40:05 AM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: Mr. Blonde
"posted my picture all over the place with Joan Baez, Che Guevara, Jack Kerouac and Allen Ginsberg. The concert attendees probably wouldn't have known about any of those people."

And young people in this country probably only know Che Guevara. I have never heard Dylan make any statements on Guevara. Please don't tell me he thinks Ernesto Guevara was a good guy? I hope he has more sense than that.
3 posted on 05/13/2011 6:29:57 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Mr. Blonde

I’m surprised Bob bothered to comment on this non-story. Also surprised he used the word “gazillion”. I really enjoyed Love and Theft. And more recently I was addicted (and remain latently so) to “If You Ever Go to Houston”, co-written with Robert Hunter. Not sure he’s right about his audience not knowing his older material, though.


4 posted on 05/13/2011 6:32:43 AM PDT by Huck (The Antifederalists were right.)
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To: Huck
I think “young people” are more likely to know his older stuff than his newer stuff.

The only ones who really know his recent albums are all hard core older Dylan fans.

On the subject of Dylan....

Check out XM’s Bob Dylan's Theme Time Radio Hour. Great music, great comments from someone who really knows music and musicians and the history of music.

Well worth listening to.

5 posted on 05/13/2011 6:39:23 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

I wouldn’t think he was a fan of Che’s. I assume it was all a 60’s revolutionary type deal, which Dylan never got in on to begin with.


6 posted on 05/13/2011 6:43:45 AM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden

Sadly, no. He loves Castro, too.


7 posted on 05/13/2011 6:48:16 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Mr. Blonde

Mmm, he used them up till he squeezed them dry, then he moved on. His career was built by Communists, who ran the folk music morphing unto pop music movement/industry.


8 posted on 05/13/2011 6:52:55 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: kabumpo

Can you show me any quote by Dylan that he loves Castro?


9 posted on 05/13/2011 6:56:06 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Mr. Blonde

“The Chinese press did tout me as a sixties icon, however, and posted my picture all over the place with Joan Baez, Che Guevara, Jack Kerouac and Allen Ginsberg. The concert attendees probably wouldn’t have known about any of those people. Regardless, they responded enthusiastically to the songs on my last 4 or 5 records.”

That doesn’t come of like Dylan digs being lumped in with those people.

“They were young and my feeling was that they wouldn’t have known my early songs anyway.”

In other words, he didn’t want to play stuff that catered to the whole “down with authoritarian communism, up with kinder gentler communism”. As far as what the youth in China know as far as Dylan songs go, I guess it could be true. I am always amazed at how different musical trends go overseas as compared to the US.

Freegards


10 posted on 05/13/2011 7:07:40 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Huck

Ditto “If You ever go to Houston.” By far my favorite song on the album. For a while, I would listen to that, “High Water Rising” and Josh Turner’s version of “When I Paint my Masterpiece” repeatedly.


11 posted on 05/13/2011 7:09:43 AM PDT by Martin Tell (ask for the ancient paths, ask where the good way is, and walk in it)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

I have worked on a documentary he was in, I know members of his band. It’s how they all think. Except I wouldn’t call it thinking.


12 posted on 05/13/2011 7:16:22 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: kabumpo

So no actual quote.


13 posted on 05/13/2011 7:17:19 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: kabumpo

“Except I wouldn’t call it thinking.”

####

Right.

It is not an intellectual exercise, or a careful consideration of facts based on personal reading of history.

It is called being “hip” and “cool”, man.

The Left consists largely of lazy practitioners of GroupThink. Step out of line and you will suffer the usual fascistic backlash.


14 posted on 05/13/2011 7:22:56 AM PDT by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
1. I have personally heard admiring statements.
2. The quote you should be looking for from the great social commentator and critic, is the quote of condemnation of Castro and his gulag. BTW, it's the same re Saturday Night Live. Been in the air for thirty years, made fun of everyone from Jesus to the president(s),
but there has never been a skit skewering the dictatorship 90 miles from us.
15 posted on 05/13/2011 7:43:24 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Mr. Blonde

Is that old, unreformed commie still around?


16 posted on 05/13/2011 7:48:09 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: kabumpo

Don’t forget about Barry Goldwater, who there is an actual on the record quote of him liking.


17 posted on 05/13/2011 8:35:26 AM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: kabumpo

You mean all of those people he wrote Positively 4th Street about?


18 posted on 05/13/2011 8:36:52 AM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: kabumpo

So you were making it all up.


19 posted on 05/13/2011 9:04:52 AM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: ansel12

No, I was at the rehearsal, I was backstage with the musicians, I was at a dinner at someone’s house. Conversations were going on. They all love the “Cuban revolution”.


20 posted on 05/13/2011 11:15:32 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Mr. Blonde

Didn’t know that, thanks for telling me. Don’t quite see how it is relevant to a discussion about Dylan.


21 posted on 05/13/2011 11:17:36 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Mr. Blonde

Maybe, good point.


22 posted on 05/13/2011 11:19:30 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: kabumpo
Don’t quite see how it is relevant to a discussion about Dylan.

We are discussing what political icons Bob Dylan admires. You have said that he likes Che and Castro. To me that seems strange since he is on record saying his favorite politician was Barry Goldwater. That seems pretty relevant to a discussion about Dylan and his politics.
23 posted on 05/13/2011 11:49:39 AM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: Mr. Blonde
Sorry, misunderstood. I thought you were saying that there were statements from Goldwater admiring Castro.
What Dylan has said recently doesn't count for much against his career as one of the most prominent figures of counterculture. He has written so many songs against injustice, yet not one word for the enslaved nation that is our near neighbor. The silence is telling, in my opinion.
24 posted on 05/13/2011 1:28:49 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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25 posted on 05/13/2011 1:53:03 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: kabumpo

His career as a folk singer writing protest songs lasted all of about a year. Outside of Hurricane they are all on The Freewheelin’ Bob Dylan (May 1963) and The Times They Are A’Changin’ (Jan. 1964). After that there was a marked turn away from political themes or songs about injustice within his music. I think that is often forgotten and it is strange since that work still overshadows his other work which is both much larger and much better.

His role as a countercultural icon wasn’t one he asked for and he was never at the marches and so on like Joan Baez.


26 posted on 05/13/2011 2:35:20 PM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: Revolting cat!; 537cant be wrong; Aeronaut; ßuddaßudd; bassmaner; Bella_Bru; ...

Rock PING


27 posted on 05/13/2011 2:57:40 PM PDT by a fool in paradise ("If Eric Holder had his way, O-B-L would still be alive today." Thank you President Bush for Gitmo.)
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To: Revolting cat!; 537cant be wrong; Aeronaut; ßuddaßudd; bassmaner; Bella_Bru; ...

Rock PING


28 posted on 05/13/2011 2:58:10 PM PDT by a fool in paradise ("If Eric Holder had his way, O-B-L would still be alive today." Thank you President Bush for Gitmo.)
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To: Mr. Blonde
Tangled Up In Blue is the only song I can stomach from this guy.
But I give him credit for longevity.
29 posted on 05/13/2011 3:09:48 PM PDT by uddaudd (7 days - 7 ways a Guero y Guay Lao >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona.....)
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To: kabumpo

So you are just making it up, we do know that Bob Dylan’s favorite politician in the 60s was Goldwater, but you, we don’t know anything about at all.


30 posted on 05/13/2011 3:11:37 PM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: a fool in paradise

I guess the “Dylan can’t sing” line has worn off, and the latest is “Dylan is a blood thirsty Communist.”


31 posted on 05/13/2011 3:49:54 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Mr. Blonde
He was still an important counterculture icon, the way The Beatles were. Remember he did the Rolling Thunder tour with Baez in the late 1970s.
He may have stopped writing explicit protest songs, but he was still part of the Hollywood show business circuit.
32 posted on 05/13/2011 4:03:52 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: ansel12
You can call me a liar all you want, but I was in the room on multiple occasions and I know what these people said and what they think. They are essentially permanent adolescents, high in reefer a lit of the time, and living in a fantasy world of being outlaw cowboys & Indians. From an uninformed, superficial, distant view, Castro fit(s) into that fantasy projection and they admire him, the way they admire Jesse James and Billy the Kid.
33 posted on 05/13/2011 4:13:29 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: kabumpo

The vagueness of that childish post is very convincing that you are just making things up, which of course you are, you can’t just do that kind of thing here, go find a source that you can post.


34 posted on 05/13/2011 5:55:37 PM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: ansel12

You seem bitter and envious that some jobs I have had have occasionally put me in the same room or within earshot of some well-known people. I guess next time I can secretly record their conversations on my cell phone to satisfy you.
All of those people are so far to the left, but none if them realize
it, just like fish don’t know they’re wet. Why is that so hard to believe?


35 posted on 05/13/2011 6:27:57 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Mr. Blonde

“His role as a countercultural icon wasn’t one he asked for and he was never at the marches and so on like Joan Baez.”

Never at the anti-war marches, anyhow. I think he wanted to be Elvis, not Che. Some of that crappy folk crowd never forgave him for it, and at the time he was looked at as a traitor to the revolution when he embraced the rock.

Freegards


36 posted on 05/13/2011 6:32:19 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: kabumpo

LOL, no I’m annoyed that a liar is trying to pass off fake information about a public figure on the internet.

Go get a source.


37 posted on 05/13/2011 6:33:11 PM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: ansel12

I am the source.
Easy to prove me wrong: just show the denunciation, in speech, song, or deed, of the dictatorship in Cuba, ever, in the last 40 years.


38 posted on 05/14/2011 10:50:37 AM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: kabumpo

You are worse off and more idiotic than you even appeared at first.


39 posted on 05/14/2011 1:40:18 PM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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