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GUILTY: Ersland found guilty in pharmacy shooting trial
KFOR-TV ^ | May 26, 2011

Posted on 05/26/2011 3:05:28 PM PDT by FourPeas

OKLAHOMA CITY -- A jury has found Jerome Ersland guilty of first-degree murder after he shot and killed Antwan Parker who was attempting to rob Ersland's southside pharmacy. They are suggesting life...

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1 posted on 05/26/2011 3:05:36 PM PDT by FourPeas
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To: FourPeas

This is unbelievable. Based on this case, you now have no right to defend yourself or property in Oklahoma....red


2 posted on 05/26/2011 3:07:56 PM PDT by rednek ("Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.")
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To: FourPeas

First Degree Murder? Damn!


3 posted on 05/26/2011 3:08:24 PM PDT by Gena Bukin
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To: FourPeas

Ha, this little phony war hero, with phony combat disability claims psycho, that claimed he was in a shootout with the robbers, and even put bandages on his fake wound is convicted, that is good.


4 posted on 05/26/2011 3:10:12 PM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: FourPeas

What’s going on in OK?


5 posted on 05/26/2011 3:10:12 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: rednek
That's what I THOUGHT I was reading.

I decided to read the comments before clicking the source.

Both questions, How could this happen .. and .. why did a jury rule this way just baffle me.

6 posted on 05/26/2011 3:10:48 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: FourPeas

Any background on this case? The story at the link doesn’t give any.


7 posted on 05/26/2011 3:10:52 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: ansel12

Ah, I didn’t know that.


8 posted on 05/26/2011 3:11:07 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: FourPeas

He defended himself from an armed robbery and now he goes to jail. I have to wonder who the jurors were.


9 posted on 05/26/2011 3:11:30 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: FourPeas

If suggest everyone watch the video from the store....it was an execution after the man was on the floor that warranted this verdict.


10 posted on 05/26/2011 3:11:39 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
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To: ansel12

What’s the story, ansel12 ?


11 posted on 05/26/2011 3:12:17 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: freekitty

Here is some background on how the jury reached their decision.

He is a fake war “hero”.

“Hours after the robbery, Ersland told police he suffers PTSD “from being in the Gulf War,” a detective reported.

“He said, ‘I killed a lot of people there, but I had to do it. I dream about it every night.’ Ersland said he got hurt there (Gulf War) and that was why he was wearing the medical back and front brace,” the detective reported.

The detective quoted Ersland as saying, “So, I have killed a number of people with a .50-caliber” and “I was a platoon leader from Fort Bragg.” The detective reported Ersland said he was in the Army until he got hurt and then the Air Force let him join because there was a high demand for pharmacists.

Ersland left the Army in February 1989, well before the Gulf War, records show. His first assignment after joining the Air Force was the Altus Air Force Base hospital.”

“Instead, Jerome Jay Ers-land spent the war in 1991 as the pharmacy chief at the military hospital at Altus Air Force Base in southwestern Oklahoma, records show.”

ALMOST EVERYTHING THE GUY SAYS BELOW ARE LIES. The robbers had one gun and never fired a shot, he was never in the war, etc, etc.

Here are some of his earlier claims, people forget that he claimed to have been wounded in a desperate shootout and was wearing a bandage over the wound until the police made clear that he was the only one that had fired a gun. When you watch the video you realize that the guy is totally fantasizing and making it up up and lying.

Video:
http://www.news9.com/global/video/flash/popupplayer.asp?ClipID1=3804065&h1=Oklahoma%20County%20District%20Attorney%20David%20Prater%20Discusses%20Crime&vt1=v&at1=Station%202&d1=1092234&LaunchPageAdTag=News&activePane=info&rnd=77656981

Throw these claims in with his phony war hero stuff and you have a real nutcase.

>The robbers began shooting at him, with one bullet grazing him on the arm, he said he heard another round whiz past his ear.

Ersland recalled: “All of a sudden, they started shooting. They were attempting to kill me, but they didn’t know I had a gun. They said, ‘You’re gonna die.’ That’s when one of them shot at me, and that’s when he got my hand.”

Ersland grabbed the semi-automatic Kel-Tec .380 in his pocket.

“And that’s when I started defending myself,” he said. “The first shot got him in the head, and that slowed him down so I could get my other gun.”

Ersland also kept a much larger pistol in a nearby drawer, which he was able to retrieve, a Taurus Judge revolver. At that point, the second robber took off. However, the other robber was now getting up off of the floor, despite the head wound.

Ersland emptied his clip into the chest of the wounded robber, who turned out to be 16-year-old Antwun Parker.

“I went after the other guy, but he was real fast and I’m crippled,” said Ersland. Once outside, he saw a third black male sitting in a car with what appeared to be a shotgun.

Ersland said: “I pulled out my ‘Judge’ and pointed it right between his eyes and he floored it.”

>””All of a sudden, they started shooting,” he said. “They were attempting to kill me, but they didn’t know I had a gun. They said, ‘You’re gonna die.’ That’s when one of them shot at me, and that’s when he got my hand.”

Ersland said he was thrown against a wall, but managed to go for the semiautomatic in his pocket.

“And that’s when I started defending myself,” he said. “The first shot got him in the head, and that slowed him down so I could get my other gun.”

But as one robber hit the floor, Ersland said, a bullet from the other robber whizzed past his ear.

The pharmacist said he then got his second gun from a nearby drawer, a Taurus “Judge.”

After he had the big gun, Ersland said, the second robber ran.

But as he started to chase after the second robber, Ersland said, he looked back to see the 16-year-old he had shot in the head getting up again. Ersland said he then emptied the Kel-Tec .380 into the boy’s chest as he kept going after the second robber.

“I went after the other guy, but he was real fast and I’m crippled,” Ersland said.

Outside the pharmacy, he said he saw what he thought was a third black male in a car with the engine running and reaching for what appeared to be a shotgun.

“I pulled out my ‘Judge’ and pointed it right between his eyes and he floored it,” Ersland said.


12 posted on 05/26/2011 3:13:18 PM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: knarf

Links here to previous stories. Background.

http://www.kfor.com/news/pharmacyshooting/


13 posted on 05/26/2011 3:14:37 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (FreeRepublic.com. Now, More Than Ever.)
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To: rednek

Wrong, you do not have the right to switch guns and murder someone that is no longer a threat.


14 posted on 05/26/2011 3:15:40 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: FourPeas

“The five extra shots to the abdomen killed him”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHshsgpsxFg


15 posted on 05/26/2011 3:16:24 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
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To: ansel12

So why did Ersland kill the guy? Target practice? He didn’t like his looks? The guy’s a nut who sees threats everywhere?

I wouldn’t want him filing any RXes for me, that’s for sure. My father was a pharmacist for almost 50 years. It would be really easy for a crazy RX to kill whomever he wanted to - and he wouldn’t need a gun.


16 posted on 05/26/2011 3:19:09 PM PDT by worst-case scenario (Striving to reach the light)
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To: FourPeas
Whether he lied about his war record or not, it was not germane to the case. What he did do is rid society of an individual that was going to cause pain to society for many years to come. The kid had a gun. If he'd kept his mouth shut and just said he was in fear of his life he'd been ok. JMO...
17 posted on 05/26/2011 3:19:34 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: vetvetdoug

The robber with the gun got away. the one without was killed.


18 posted on 05/26/2011 3:22:19 PM PDT by VAFreedom (maybe i should take a nap before work)
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To: ScreamingFist; All

OK .. the guys a whackjob ... fry’im, Danno.


19 posted on 05/26/2011 3:25:17 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: worst-case scenario

Ersland was a psycho Water Mitty that executed an unconscious young robber that never had a gun and was laying on his back, if you watch the video, Ersland was casually walking by and turning his back to him while he went and fetched the other pistol to empty into the unconscious figure.


20 posted on 05/26/2011 3:25:23 PM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: vetvetdoug
The kid had a gun.

Uh, no. The kid was still putting on his hood when he was shot with a Judge. That was fine....it was retrieving a second weapon an unloading it into the prone kid that warrants a murder charge. Watch the videos.

21 posted on 05/26/2011 3:25:23 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
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To: ansel12

Could you expand on what you said a bit? None of that is in the article, and I don’t recall any of that when the incident happened, but I don’t live in the area, so may have missed much of the development in the story.

Thank you very much.


22 posted on 05/26/2011 3:30:25 PM PDT by mountainbunny
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To: FourPeas
First degree?

The guy is a disabled veteran and was also protecting a couple of women that worked at the pharmacy with him. I don't think you can judge him by what is just on the surveillance video.

23 posted on 05/26/2011 3:30:49 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: ScreamingFist
Now, about the other robber ~ I presume Oklahoma is going to try him as well, right?

Like he was involved in a robbery where someone died ~ just his bad luck to try to tag a nut case.

24 posted on 05/26/2011 3:31:50 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
Now, about the other robber ~ I presume Oklahoma is going to try him as well, right?

I'll be honest muawiyah, I don't remember if they apprehended the runner or not....I think they did. It's been years since I discussed this on FR.

25 posted on 05/26/2011 3:36:42 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
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To: rednek

Yes, it is outrageous. Sadly, he has an awful lawyer that went out of his way to alienate the judge—and probably most of the jury pool. I hope he appeals. If nothing else, he should claim that he had an incompetent lawyer.


26 posted on 05/26/2011 3:39:34 PM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: freekitty

Phony war hero, but not a murderer (as the term was intended). Bear in mind that some here consider self defense murder, even here on this conservative site.


27 posted on 05/26/2011 3:41:24 PM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: ScreamingFist

The video shows nothing. You cannot see the person on the floor, who could very well have looked as though he was reaching for a weapon. Dead bodies twitch. You are a dupe of the media-driven campaign to make self-defense illegal. They tell you can “see” it happening, but really, all you can see is Erslund, not the perp. In any event, if someone comes into a store waving a gun, they should not expect hugs and kumbayahs.


28 posted on 05/26/2011 3:44:42 PM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: FourPeas
Ersland turned his back on the downed robber, went and got another gun, walked back, and promptly emptied 5 shots into him while he was still on the ground.

I understand the adrenaline. I even understand the sentiment. But you can't walk up and pump 5 shots into an unarmed person lying on the ground, even if he just took part in an armed robbery, if you want to keep walking the streets as a free person.

Not unless you're a cop, anyway. And maybe not even then.

From another article that tells a lot more about the perps:

He was in the ninth grade at SeeWorth Academy, a charter school, his mother said.

“We was trying to get his grades up,” she said. “A lot of times SeeWorth would frustrate him because they had so many rules.”

Jennings said her son still would get scared of the dark. “At 16, he didn't sleep with the lights off. Antwun still sucked his thumb,” she said.

She said the boy did not see much of his father. “He never tried to be any type of a role model or father figure,” she said.

And THAT, my friends, is about the bottom line.

29 posted on 05/26/2011 3:45:12 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: ScreamingFist

They did. Runner was 14. He pled guilty to first-degree murder for his role in the death of his buddy.


30 posted on 05/26/2011 3:46:28 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: mountainbunny

The video in post 12 shows what happened even though it is from the first week or so of the event, and evidently is what the jury verified with the physical evidence and the autopsy. At 2 minutes 50 seconds the robbery tape is shown.

All these links are old, pre trial stuff, but it is where I learned what we were dealing with.

This link is his wild description of the fake “shoot out” a non existent physical fight, his bandaged bullet wound, his war injuries etc.
http://newsok.com/pharmacist-is-glad-he-defended-store/article/3371710

This link is about him fighting the release of his military records.
http://newsok.com/oklahoma-city-druggist-appeals-records-ruling/article/3376800

This link is about his mental issues.
http://newsok.com/mental-state-may-play-into-pharmacists-case/article/3375757


31 posted on 05/26/2011 3:47:17 PM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: ScreamingFist

Oh please. You can tell just by looking at someone whether or not they have a gun? Just because this one wasn’t waving one, remember the other one was, and it was smart to assume this one had one too. They threatened the pharmacist and the other staff with their lives. They had no right to keep their own.


32 posted on 05/26/2011 3:48:43 PM PDT by MizSterious (Apparently, there's no honor when it comes to someone else's retirement funds.)
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To: ScreamingFist
I have to be honest here. Once the robbers made a decision to rob, then that is the path you chose. Someone pulls a gun usually means business. So he died. Both of the robbers were punks. If you are doing armed robbery at 16 , you're not heading towards an Eagle Scout or meaningful life. More than likely a punk like that is going to continue to rob and possibly kill.

so I say, too bad punk.

now the pharmacist did the ONE THING you should NEVER DO if you shoot someone. Talk to the cops other than to say " my weapon is on the ground, I was afraid for my life, I no longer want to say anything without a LAWYER" then just shut your mouth and say NOTHING. Don't explain, don't say you shot or killed or did anything. Just over and over I'm waiting for my lawyer.

The police are not your friends and the quicker you realize that the better for you. They are there to take notes, photos, gather evidence, increase their budgets, go home safely to collect their pensions and that's it.

33 posted on 05/26/2011 3:50:03 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (democrats are like flies, whatever they don't eat, they sh#t on.)
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To: ScreamingFist
It has been a while. Still, I remembered it. Just a pharmacist making sure the perp was down. BTW, you only know if both of the robbers do or don't have a firearm until AFTER the firefight.

The 16 year old came in with the older one (if he was older) so he was, so to speak "armed" with his guard.

A number of posts have targeted that point ~ that the 16 year old didn't actually have a gun on him ~ as if it really meant anything. Turns out it does in some States. Massachusetts would be concerned if 10 armed men went after you and you shot and killed their 11th gang member who didn't happen to have a gun. There are others and Oklahoma may be one.

Even states with the Castle Doctrine laws might mess with you if you shot an unarmed person in the back, or did what this particular pharmacist did.

There are other states that view a crime like this in the greater context of a "robbery underway" and don't set any time limits ~ particularly with one of the perps still armed and roaming around somewhere ~ and the pharmacist having no idea where.

That takes care of the problem of him getting the second firearm.

I suspect what we have here is a jury acting in regard to some peculiarities of Oklahoma law ~ not what the pharmacist did. Every action he took makes sense one way or the other ~ particularly with the other perp still on the loose and maybe coming back for his little buddy.

I see an appeal.

34 posted on 05/26/2011 3:50:14 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Lurking Libertarian
Any background on this case? The story at the link doesn’t give any.

The only background that really matters is that if Antwun "Speedy" Parker hadn't been robbing pharmacies, he'd still be alive today.

Anyhow, click on keyword ersland for several articles that have been posted regarding this event over the past two years.

35 posted on 05/26/2011 3:51:47 PM PDT by Gena Bukin
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To: ansel12

I have no problem with “speedy” Parker being dead. He chose to trade his life for whatever cash was in that pharmacy that day. The accomplices face murder charges as well. If Earsland is now responsible for his murder, how can they be? Logic would say because they were engaged in a crime when it happened. This verdict means he died from a separate crime. It detaches from logic to say he died as a result of anything other than consequences of actions he set in motion by going in to rob the place.


36 posted on 05/26/2011 3:51:47 PM PDT by optiguy (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them.----- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Gena Bukin
First Degree Murder? Damn!

That seems bizarre. I thought Murder 1 required malice aforethought. Even if the jury found Erslund lacked justification to shoot, how can they find malice aforethought when poor little Antwan (who was just getting his life turned around) showed up unexpectedly at Erslund's place to rob him?

37 posted on 05/26/2011 3:52:50 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Jeff Winston

Which means what? Is he out when he’s 21 or 22?


38 posted on 05/26/2011 3:54:15 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: optiguy

Watch the video in post 12, you cannot do that.


39 posted on 05/26/2011 3:54:15 PM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: Jeff Winston

Which means what? Is he out when he’s 21 or 22?


40 posted on 05/26/2011 3:54:31 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: ansel12

i’m sure the jury probably were shown more evidence than us.

if he had just empty the gun first on the perp, he would’ve walk.


41 posted on 05/26/2011 3:56:17 PM PDT by VAFreedom (maybe i should take a nap before work)
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To: MizSterious
The video shows nothing. You cannot see the person on the floor, who could very well have looked as though he was reaching for a weapon. Dead bodies twitch. You are a dupe of the media-driven campaign to make self-defense illegal. They tell you can “see” it happening, but really, all you can see is Erslund, not the perp. In any event, if someone comes into a store waving a gun, they should not expect hugs and kumbayahs.

Ok. Well, first, I never turn my back on anyone with a loaded weapon. Second, I'm smart enough to know a twitch doesn't warrant 5 shots to the abdomen....third, I'm not dumb enough to execute an un-armed man on the floor in front of security cameras. Have a nice day.

42 posted on 05/26/2011 3:56:40 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
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To: FourPeas

We had a similar case many years ago in California. Party B jumps party A. Party A takes away the knife from party B and then stabs party B. Up to here self defense is in play. HOWEVER, party B falls into the gutter and is laying there disabled when Party A stabs party B again and kills him. Party A claimed self defense and the court rejects the claim saying he should have stopped when party B was disabled.


43 posted on 05/26/2011 3:57:05 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Jeff Winston

The mother is a real piece of work. At least I don’t have to worry about her son trying to rob me. (this one anyway)


44 posted on 05/26/2011 3:57:53 PM PDT by optiguy (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them.----- Ronald Reagan)
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To: VAFreedom

Yes, and the DA makes that clear. You can pretty much do anything as long as you can keep it close to or connected to, the “heat of battle” area, but you cannot do what Ersland did.


45 posted on 05/26/2011 4:01:49 PM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: ansel12

I’ve seen the video many times. If the head shot was so bad, five more shouldn’t matter. If not, he posed a perceived threat. Hardly first degree murder. Still wouldn’t have happened without speedy goin in to rob the place.


46 posted on 05/26/2011 4:05:16 PM PDT by optiguy (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them.----- Ronald Reagan)
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To: ScreamingFist

The coroner and forensics could show that the unconcious, (brain wounded) body was on it’s back with arms splayed palms up, when the bullets were pumped into it (and it never reacted to the bullets).


47 posted on 05/26/2011 4:05:50 PM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: MizSterious

I am surprised that OK of all places would do this. It looks like it was self defense.


48 posted on 05/26/2011 4:08:19 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: optiguy

It sounds like all of the bad guys have met justice in this little story.


49 posted on 05/26/2011 4:09:01 PM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: ansel12
Ersland emptied his clip into the chest of the wounded robber, who turned out to be 16-year-old Antwun Parker.

Emptying a clip from a revolver is quite a feat. Looks like Ersland isn't the only liar here.

50 posted on 05/26/2011 4:10:54 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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