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GUILTY: Ersland found guilty in pharmacy shooting trial
KFOR-TV ^ | May 26, 2011

Posted on 05/26/2011 3:05:28 PM PDT by FourPeas

OKLAHOMA CITY -- A jury has found Jerome Ersland guilty of first-degree murder after he shot and killed Antwan Parker who was attempting to rob Ersland's southside pharmacy. They are suggesting life...

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To: ansel12; VAFreedom
So we know the guy with a gun left the store on foot. How does the pharmacist know where he is after that?

I see a winning appeal.

51 posted on 05/26/2011 4:14:33 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: ansel12
The robbers had one gun

How did the robbery victim know that at the time?

52 posted on 05/26/2011 4:15:00 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: TigersEye

The five murder shots came from a Kel-Tec 380.


53 posted on 05/26/2011 4:17:04 PM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: dragnet2

I’m not going to start from square one with you, familiarize yourself with the case and answer your own basic questions.


54 posted on 05/26/2011 4:18:21 PM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: muawiyah

The other robber received a sentence for armed robbery as juvenile. He will be released at 21 if he behaves. The 2 adults who recruited the teens were convicted of murder as well and received life terms.One of the adult rocket scientists attacked and punched out the DA in the court room after the verdict and sentencing. He bought another felony assault charge on that one..red


55 posted on 05/26/2011 4:19:28 PM PDT by rednek ("Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.")
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To: muawiyah

I don’t understand your question, did you watch the video or read the factual news accounts?


56 posted on 05/26/2011 4:19:37 PM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: ansel12
However, the other robber was now getting up off of the floor, despite the head wound.

There was movement from the suspect on the floor, the video backs this up. How did the robbery victim know the suspect was not going to suddenly pull a gun and kill him?

57 posted on 05/26/2011 4:20:21 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: ansel12
The robbers had one gun

How did the robbery victim know that at the time?

I’m not going to start from square one with you, familiarize yourself with the case and answer your own basic questions.

I am familiar with the case. You can decline to answer if you wish.

58 posted on 05/26/2011 4:22:14 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: ansel12
The five murder shots came from a Kel-Tec 380

Depending on which version you believe. I was going with one of the two versions you cut&pasted.

Ersland also kept a much larger pistol in a nearby drawer, which he was able to retrieve, a Taurus Judge revolver. At that point, the second robber took off. However, the other robber was now getting up off of the floor, despite the head wound.

Ersland emptied his clip into the chest of the wounded robber, who turned out to be 16-year-old Antwun Parker.

59 posted on 05/26/2011 4:25:59 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: ScreamingFist
If suggest everyone watch the video from the store....it was an execution after the man was on the floor that warranted this verdict.

Agreed 100%. It's been a while since I watched the video but if I remember correctly there was something like 16 seconds between the time he stepped over the kid to get back behind the counter and when he came back over and shot the kid who still hadn't moved. I'm all for self defense but when the threat has been eliminated you had better stop shooting.

60 posted on 05/26/2011 4:29:19 PM PDT by Tucsonican
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To: TigersEye

Post 12 that you are quoting is some of the BS from Ersland, the fake wound, the fake war record, the fake shootout, the fake physical fight, the fake everything. He even changed the order of pistols.


61 posted on 05/26/2011 4:30:32 PM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: ansel12

Yeah, sure.


62 posted on 05/26/2011 4:31:46 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: ansel12
ALMOST EVERYTHING THE GUY SAYS BELOW ARE LIES.

Well, he certainly did lie about two armed violent robbery suspects entering his store, who started shooting at the him, attempting to kill him in his own store.

63 posted on 05/26/2011 4:32:25 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: ansel12
Thank you very much. I will be sharing your links.

I'm 100% supportive of anyone who defends themselves against a legitimate threat, but this guy lied and the jury doesn't have to believe a single thing he says after it has been established that he lied and lied and lied. They are free to discard all of his testimony.

There is a moral here, actually a few.

One is to know the laws regarding self defense and follow them.

Another is to keep your mouth shut if you ever have to defend yourself and immediately ask to speak to your lawyer. Even if you did the right things. Especially if you did the right things. You have everything to lose and nothing to gain by discussing your actions with the police since you don't yet know what they think of your actions or how they will proceed.

And the third, of course, is not to tell big whopping lies. Particularly not to law enforcement. Tell the truth or say nothing (nothing being the preferred way).

64 posted on 05/26/2011 4:33:18 PM PDT by mountainbunny
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To: ansel12
ALMOST EVERYTHING THE GUY SAYS BELOW ARE LIES.

Well, he certainly didn't lie about two armed violent robbery suspects entering his store, who started shooting at the him, attempting to kill him in his own store.

65 posted on 05/26/2011 4:34:06 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
There was movement from the suspect on the floor, the video backs this up.

Whaaatttt? Where did you see that in the video?? Don't just make things up.

66 posted on 05/26/2011 4:36:41 PM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: ansel12
The robbers had one gun

My question first.

How did the robbery victim know that at the time?

67 posted on 05/26/2011 4:41:00 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
Well, he certainly didn't lie about two armed violent robbery suspects entering his store, who started shooting at the him, attempting to kill him in his own store

Is there something wrong with you? Only one was armed and he didn't fire, what is going on with you?

68 posted on 05/26/2011 4:41:48 PM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: dragnet2

Man, I have better things to do than get involved in one of your childish round robin games of nonsense.

Your ignorance is stunning, go learn something about the basic outline of this case on your own.


69 posted on 05/26/2011 4:43:54 PM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: mountainbunny

Yeah, this guy will go into the statistics of a CCL carrier that was a murderer, it doesn’t help us, and it was wrong.


70 posted on 05/26/2011 4:46:29 PM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: ansel12

The robbers had one gun

How did the robbery victim know that at the time?


71 posted on 05/26/2011 4:47:49 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: TigersEye

What do you mean, “yeah sure”, did you want more of the early interviews from him?


72 posted on 05/26/2011 4:50:44 PM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: ansel12
My mistake, I was confusing this with another case, where the suspects movements were caught on video before being shot.

This case is quite dated, years old I believe.

But my question stands...How did the robbery victim know the suspects only had one gun?

In addition, how is it known the suspect was not moving prior to be shot the second time?

73 posted on 05/26/2011 4:53:48 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: ansel12

Ok. were these guys in the store with gun(regardless of whether they shot or not)with the intent to rob him?


74 posted on 05/26/2011 4:56:28 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Still Thinking
I thought Murder 1 required malice aforethought.

I agree, while I think the man is guilty, Murder 1 seems absurd to me.....

75 posted on 05/26/2011 4:57:22 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
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To: ansel12

So, you’re saying he used the Taurus Judge revolver first and shot Antwun in the head with that one then got the Kel-Tec 380?


76 posted on 05/26/2011 4:57:45 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: dragnet2
In addition, how is it known the suspect was not moving prior to be shot the second time?

Because the crime scene photos, taken after he was dead, show that he wasn't moving. /s LOL

77 posted on 05/26/2011 4:59:50 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: MizSterious

Bear in mind that a handful of people here are not disturbed by a fake war hero claiming fake war wounds as long as he does something that fits their own Walter Mitty fantasies.

He was a Pharmacist, not a combat arms platoon leader.

“He said, ‘I killed a lot of people there, but I had to do it. I dream about it every night.’ Ersland said he got hurt there (Gulf War) and that was why he was wearing the medical back and front brace,” the detective reported.

The detective quoted Ersland as saying, “So, I have killed a number of people with a .50-caliber” and “I was a platoon leader from Fort Bragg.” The detective reported Ersland said he was in the Army until he got hurt and then the Air Force let him join because there was a high demand for pharmacists.

Ersland left the Army in February 1989, well before the Gulf War, records show. His first assignment after joining the Air Force was the Altus Air Force Base hospital.”

“Instead, Jerome Jay Ers-land spent the war in 1991 as the pharmacy chief at the military hospital at Altus Air Force Base in southwestern Oklahoma, records show.”


78 posted on 05/26/2011 5:00:11 PM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: TigersEye

LOL!


79 posted on 05/26/2011 5:00:48 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: ansel12
Does anyone know how did the robbery victim knew the suspects only had one gun?

If it's not on video, does anyone know if the suspect was actually moving prior to being shot the second time?

80 posted on 05/26/2011 5:03:14 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: ansel12
Watched the video when it first came out and read the articles then. When I left off I don't recall reading that the 14 year old with the gun had been caught.

What a way to waste your life.

So the Fagin in all this was the 16 year old ~ that's another way to waste your life

81 posted on 05/26/2011 5:06:15 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: TigersEye
So, you’re saying he used the Taurus Judge revolver first and shot Antwun in the head with that one then got the Kel-Tec 380?

For crying out loud, watch the video rather than keep asking me to answer questions about what is in the video.

82 posted on 05/26/2011 5:10:06 PM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: ansel12
By the way, since you seem to be the expert on this case, was the weapon from the robbery suspects ever recovered?
83 posted on 05/26/2011 5:10:27 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: TigersEye
So, you’re saying he used the Taurus Judge revolver first and shot Antwun in the head with that one then got the Kel-Tec 380?

Yes Tiger, he shot the first guy in the head with the Judge, then chased the runner with the Judge. He then came back in and swapped to the .38, which he unloaded into the dude on the floor. Please watch the videos.

84 posted on 05/26/2011 5:10:34 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
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To: ScreamingFist
The video does not show the robbery suspect on the floor, nor does the video show if the robbery suspect was moving on the floor. The robbery victim likely had no idea if the robbery suspect on the floor had a weapon or not.

My question is, how does *anyone* know if the robbery suspect on the floor was moving or not?

85 posted on 05/26/2011 5:15:54 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: ScreamingFist

Was the weapon from the robbery suspect ever recovered?


86 posted on 05/26/2011 5:17:18 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

See post 47, I accidentally used the word ‘could’ but I meant that that is what the coroner found.


87 posted on 05/26/2011 5:23:35 PM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: ansel12
For crying out loud, watch the video rather than keep asking me to answer questions about what is in the video.

The video doesn't show which gun he shot him in the head with or which gun he got from the cash register. Apparently the video shows everything you want it to and nothing you don't want it to.

88 posted on 05/26/2011 5:25:45 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: knarf

I meant to ping you to post 12.


89 posted on 05/26/2011 5:26:01 PM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: FourPeas

His counsel needs to contact the force science institute.


90 posted on 05/26/2011 5:26:06 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: ScreamingFist

So, you say the video shows which he gun he used first and which one he used second too? LOL


91 posted on 05/26/2011 5:27:07 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: org.whodat
Wrong, you do not have the right to switch guns and murder someone that is no longer a threat.

I agree.

But tell me, how do they know the robbery victim, at the time, knew the robbery suspects only had one weapon?

How do they know the robbery suspect on the floor was not moving on the floor? In addition, how they know the robbery victim did not see the suspect move on the floor?

Is it possible a wounded moving robbery suspect could suddenly produce a weapon and shoot you to death?

92 posted on 05/26/2011 5:27:11 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: TigersEye

The video most definitely tells you that the 380 was used for the five execution shots, didn’t you watch it?

http://www.news9.com/global/video/flash/popupplayer.asp?ClipID1=3804065&h1=Oklahoma%20County%20District%20Attorney%20David%20Prater%20Discusses%20Crime&vt1=v&at1=Station%202&d1=1092234&LaunchPageAdTag=News&activePane=info&rnd=77656981


93 posted on 05/26/2011 5:27:45 PM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: ScreamingFist

Well, he needed killin’


94 posted on 05/26/2011 5:31:20 PM PDT by Royal Wulff
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To: TigersEye
So, you say the video shows which he gun he used first and which one he used second too? LOL

Tiger, you can clearly see the Judge, if you know what one looks like. It doesn't look like a .38......since it chambers .410 and .45 Colt.

95 posted on 05/26/2011 5:31:48 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
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To: ansel12

I watched it. I watched at least a half dozen times when this story first broke. It is only possible for you guys with Super-Video Vision to see what gun he has in his hand.


96 posted on 05/26/2011 5:32:39 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: ScreamingFist

Yeah, sure. LOL


97 posted on 05/26/2011 5:33:38 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: dragnet2
Wrong, you do not have the right to switch guns and murder someone that is no longer a threat.

The moment you walk into a store for the purpose of armed robbery, or in the company of someone with that purpose, your life is forfeit in my book.

Whether put down like a dog or shot in each appendage and then through the heart makes no difference to me.

98 posted on 05/26/2011 5:35:14 PM PDT by Royal Wulff
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To: ansel12
The coroner and forensics could show that the unconcious, (brain wounded) body was on it’s back with arms splayed palms up, when the bullets were pumped into it (and it never reacted to the bullets)

A coroner could never say for sure in this instance if the suspect was moving, if he was unconscious or the exact time of death, unless he died in a hospital. That would be pure speculation.

They cannot tell you specifically when someone becomes unless maybe that person in hooked up in the hospital.

99 posted on 05/26/2011 5:35:40 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: TigersEye

Didn’t you think that the voice over description by the Oklahoma County District Attorney helped answer your question?


100 posted on 05/26/2011 5:36:22 PM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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