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JimRob's Imperious Pronouncement (Vanity)
Friday, May 21, 2011 | Dr. Zzyzx

Posted on 05/27/2011 10:36:25 AM PDT by Dr. Zzyzx

Freeper Friends,

I was saddened by JimRob's imperious pronouncement yesterday, and the ensuing comments & zots. Here's why. One of this site's primary pillars is the Bill of Rights which calls for Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Religion, Right to a trial by jury. We believe in those things. We believe in them to the point of being willing to sacrifice our lives for them. And yet on this site, when a JimRob cuts people off for what they say or believe Freepers cheer him like Baghdad Bob would cheer Saddam Hussein! That's not America folks!

"He owns the site!" you say. Tell that to Steven Jobs who got dumped a few years ago from the company he started because he created an IPO to get financial support from others. Once JimRob started taking YOUR money, it became YOUR site. YOU provide the content, YOU provide the financing. Without YOU, Jim would be a lonely guy staring at a monitor in his den.

How can we say we want freedoms out one side of our mouths, and stand by and cheer as Jim zots dissenters in a way that would make medieval Europe's most dictatorial tyrants proud?

John Stuart Mill had the right approach--let all the ideas fight it out in the arena. If they're foolish ideas, they will eventually be seen as such. We don't have anything to fear from hearing someone else's point of view.

Now. In case you're wondering:

My membership date is actually one and a half years earlier than the November 1999 date shown. (Had to re-enlist because of computer and email trouble)

I was raised in Arizona but live in Utah. I fly the Arizona flag on my profile because I'm proud of their stance on immigration.

I’ve told anyone that will listen that I think Mitt Romney and Jon Huntsman are shifty weasels.

I served on the city council and as the mayor of my community.

I played a part in the grassroots effort to throw Bob Bennett out of office, and hope soon to do the same to Orrin Hatch.

I waged a pitched battle in the newspapers and amongst my fellow teachers against the president, officers, and organization of the Utah Education Association, an arm of the NEA.

I became disenchanted with the Republican party after some of the things George Bush (though I admire his courage and determination) did that I felt were harmful to the financial well-being of America.

In other words, I'm not a newbie troll. I just have a genuine concern with how members are treated here, and you should too.

To save you the electrons of posting replies, I'll post them for you:

Jim owns the site, he can do what he wants.

ZOT!

Put on your asbestos suit.

Put on your tin foil hat.

Viking Kitties!

Don't let the door hit ya where the Good Lord split ya!

A cheese-eating moose bit my sister.


TOPICS: Cheese, Moose, Sister; Chit/Chat; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: buhbye; freelazamataz; ibtz; opus; waaambulancer; zot
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To: Rebelbase

Ah...

..but FINE wine is AGED!


201 posted on 05/27/2011 3:34:44 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: sand lake bar
It’s that kind of thing a lot of us are talking about.

Oh?

The style or the substance?

202 posted on 05/27/2011 3:37:15 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Allegra

NO no NO!

Not SOCKS - underwear!


203 posted on 05/27/2011 3:38:21 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Moleman
I was a bit put off by Jim’s post as well

Uh... could you elaborate a little?

Go into detail?

Express, with emotion, your feelings at the time?



204 posted on 05/27/2011 3:45:21 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

I’ll just jump in here - the newspaper sells you the paper and allows you to occasionally write a letter that may or may not be published - in addition to taking advertisements to financially support the newspaper - JimRob appears to secure all financial support from members here - no advertisements - therefore one can take the position that the supporters own the site but don’t control the site. Hmmmmmm.....

FR sounds, just occasionally, like a cult - members fund it, only one person controls it - absolutely. Alternate opinions (posts) prohibited through banishment.

I’m not complaining, just sorting out what has been happening around here (in my mind) for the past year.

Is there such a thing as a Conservative Cult?


205 posted on 05/27/2011 3:46:44 PM PDT by unique
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To: Servant of the Cross
Over 170 responses to your ill-conceived vanity ... you're still here (but you induced Laz' suspension) ... and yet no response, defense, anything?!

Maybe the good doctor was on the clinic's computer at work, and is in traffic going home.

Perhaps when he(?) checks in again there will be some more input.

206 posted on 05/27/2011 3:49:29 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: rob777
As it stands, a poster does not even have to hold such positions to get zotted, but merely to say positive things about a candidate who does hold to some of these views.

NO; they get warned before being cast into outer darkness.

It's the things they post AFTER the warning, that brings the smell of brimstone lingering in the air...

207 posted on 05/27/2011 3:51:52 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: unique
Is there such a thing as a Conservative Cult?

Can you grasp the concept of singleness of purpose?

208 posted on 05/27/2011 3:55:54 PM PDT by don-o (Free Lazamataz!)
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To: unique
FR sounds, just occasionally, like a cult - members fund it, only one person controls it - absolutely. Alternate opinions (posts) prohibited through banishment.

Can we PROVE that the PLATYPUS was NOT designed by committee?


OTOH, our cult leader does NOT tell us to NOT visit other sites or to THINK other thoughts.

When he speaks the thinking is NOT done.

When Mom said, "No more backtalk or else.", did she REALLY mean it?

209 posted on 05/27/2011 4:00:38 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: unique

Wow. That’s unbelievable.


210 posted on 05/27/2011 4:04:12 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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Comment #212 Removed by Moderator

To: Sidebar Moderator

As you wish.


213 posted on 05/27/2011 4:18:11 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Sidebar Moderator; trisham

What is THAT about? Did you misdirect your comment (twice?)


214 posted on 05/27/2011 4:20:40 PM PDT by don-o (Free Lazamataz!)
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To: trisham

Yikes! Hit the wrong button. My apologies.


215 posted on 05/27/2011 4:26:17 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator
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To: Sidebar Moderator

Apology gratefully accepted. Thanks, Sidebar Moderator. :)


216 posted on 05/27/2011 4:27:55 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

Thanks! You’re too kind ;)


217 posted on 05/27/2011 4:29:00 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator
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To: unique

Well, you’re free to leave.


218 posted on 05/27/2011 4:30:07 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator
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To: Sidebar Moderator

You’re a sweetheart. :)


219 posted on 05/27/2011 4:30:22 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Sidebar Moderator

Bad Sidebar Mod!
Go to your room. No dessert for you.


220 posted on 05/27/2011 4:35:09 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Admin Moderator

dibs on the pie!


221 posted on 05/27/2011 4:36:36 PM PDT by don-o (Free Lazamataz!)
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To: bcsco
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222 posted on 05/27/2011 4:36:44 PM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (***Only candidates whose voting record has financially supported our military)
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To: don-o; Sidebar Moderator; Admin Moderator
dibs on the pie!

**************************

LOLOLOL!

223 posted on 05/27/2011 4:39:04 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Elsie
Maybe the good doctor was on the clinic's computer at work, and is in traffic going home.

Check this guys posting history. This is only his second post in the last year. The third oldest post is from May 17 2010. This is a drive by from a virtually inactive account. Just jump in, cause chaos and walk away.
224 posted on 05/27/2011 4:47:49 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Admin Moderator

lol


225 posted on 05/27/2011 4:50:40 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator
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To: Jim Robinson; rob777; Dr. Zzyzx

It sometimes amazes me that people don’t understand the simple admonition “Not in my house!” People constantly misconstrue the first amendment to mean they can say (sometimes do) anything they want, anywhere they want. That’s simply not true, and many here have noted that fact with excellent examples. Yet we still get the same ol’ same ol’ under the guise of I’m free to do so, and if you don’t let me then you’re somehow limiting my freedoms.

They’re free to say what they want. But that doesn’t mean we (you) have to provide the venue.


226 posted on 05/27/2011 5:05:09 PM PDT by bcsco (..)
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To: Blueflag
Yeah, I hope it only temporary.

Laz is a real contributor to this forum.

227 posted on 05/27/2011 5:06:08 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: freedomlover

Hey!, I resemble that remark!


228 posted on 05/27/2011 5:07:29 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (Wise To The Lies!)
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To: kevkrom
Get over it, newbie. ;)

Heh.

229 posted on 05/27/2011 5:10:10 PM PDT by bcsco (..)
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To: bcsco
It sometimes amazes me that people don’t understand the simple admonition “Not in my house!” People constantly misconstrue the first amendment to mean they can say (sometimes do) anything they want, anywhere they want. That’s simply not true, and many here have noted that fact with excellent examples.

I think more often, members used the zot as the final post when they disagree with "Not in my house".

230 posted on 05/27/2011 5:10:48 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: sand lake bar
It’s that kind of thing a lot of us are talking about.

Doesn't matter. The fact is, this site is a heterosexual site. That stems from our core values of which our social (and fiscal, of course) conservatism is but a part. We do not appreciate homosexuals insinuating themselves into our schools, churches or any other public forum. We have the right to disavow that. We have the right to band together to discuss our joint issues and feelings without that outside influence. And that right is what we insist on.

If someone disagrees with that, they're free to go elsewhere. But that doesn't give them the right to insist we change.

Look, Jim, nor anyone here, is saying they can't behave in their debased way behind closed doors. Just don't do it publicly, don't demand the overturn of hundreds of years of proven law that has made this country great. And don't demand we we have to be an audience to your lewdness. We refuse. Period.

231 posted on 05/27/2011 5:17:58 PM PDT by bcsco (..)
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To: Know et al

Ain’t that the sad truth.


232 posted on 05/27/2011 5:27:42 PM PDT by Salamander (I'm your pain.)
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To: Doe Eyes
I think more often, members used the zot as the final post when they disagree with "Not in my house".

Not only the final post, but I've seen my share of first posts as well. But we still have those who want to argue their mistaken or misunderstood understanding of the first amendment, and how it affects speech in general.

In any case, I'm here precisely because we don't allow the mixture of thoughts from across the spectrum. It's a conservative site. We discuss conservative ideas, and it's a pleasure to be (well, somewhat) free of disturbing outside pressure.

233 posted on 05/27/2011 5:29:12 PM PDT by bcsco (..)
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To: Elsie
Maybe the doctor is not so good, eh?

Awesome tag line Elsie!

"Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going".

234 posted on 05/27/2011 5:35:25 PM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free!)
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To: Elsie; Lazamataz; Admin Moderator; Dr. Zzyzx
Free Laz!

I blame his temporary insanity on the not-so-good 'Dr' who by the way is STILL COWARDLY AVOIDING HIS OWN LAME VANITY THREAD.

235 posted on 05/27/2011 5:44:41 PM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free!)
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To: Sidebar Moderator; Admin Moderator; Darksheare; humblegunner
This sort of reminds of a favorite thread of FR lore: Why was a founding member of the FreeRepublic LLC 501(c) board banned by a housewife modmin/admin?

Is the housewife modmin/admin back, creating havoc again? And has 'gunner and darksheare ever gotten their pizza delivered?

Inquiring minds want to know.

236 posted on 05/27/2011 5:53:45 PM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free!)
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To: Lazamataz
WTF!


237 posted on 05/27/2011 6:01:02 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: Sloth
"Nothing is more American than private citizens peacefully exercising their freedom of association.

BUMP!!
238 posted on 05/27/2011 6:05:58 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: JoeProBono; Lazamataz

What IS that?


239 posted on 05/27/2011 6:53:39 PM PDT by don-o (Free Lazamataz!)
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To: Dr. Zzyzx
Once JimRob started taking YOUR money, it became YOUR site. YOU provide the content, YOU provide the financing.

If I may, nothing that you mentioned is new. This site has always drawn a line on Conservative issues. The path of this site isn't to debate merits of liberalism any more than eGullet.com is around to discuss the merits of starvation. Members know this and they do choose to fund the site. We are all the customers of the site and it seems the customers are saying that they still like the product offered as they continue to help the site meet its goals. Sometimes there is ebbs and flows in how long it takes, probably mostly economic driven, but the customers are still buying the product. So, in essence, you are right, this site is by the members for the members, BUT it seems the members are saying they like the direction the captain is steering the ship.

240 posted on 05/27/2011 6:55:28 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: don-o
Puzzled sadness at Laz’s demise
241 posted on 05/27/2011 6:57:16 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: Servant of the Cross; humblegunner

Ahem. It was Humblegunner’s job to deliver the pizza.


242 posted on 05/27/2011 6:59:10 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: JoeProBono

Laz got hit?


243 posted on 05/27/2011 7:13:15 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: bcsco; Jim Robinson

Of course, what you say is true. This is Jim Robinson’s site and he is free to moderate it as he pleases. But, I pine for the halcyon days when this was the premier site for conservative discussion of the days events. We had some great discussions in those days, but no more. What has remained are sentence fragment responses that do little to advance the cause of conservatism and reflects a general ignorance of the philosophical ties that bind us.

Instead, we have taken to infighting and arguing amongst ourselves over who has claim to raise the true conservative banner. All good stuff, but it ignores the unfortunate fact that our country is today ruled by a godless communist marxist moron who stands to extend his rule by another four years because his conservative opposition cannot get its act together. Nothing is more important than defeating Obama and his commie goons, but we seem to be engaged in an insane inquisition of each other in order to decide who among us is more purely conservative.

I think that the present Administration is the greatest calamity ever visited upon these United States. I would vote for Howdy Doody if I thought that he could beat Obama. I am quite amazed that some on this site would seem to support the moron in the White House because whomever the Republicans support this week do not pass true conservative muster. I could care less. I would vote for Joe Biden before I would vote for Barack Obama and I fully recognize that any vote for a third party candidate is a vote for Obama.

I am no Republican, I am a Conservative. But, I will never, never, never support a Democrat as long as I shall live. That includes voting for some phony who claims to be a real conservative, a tea party stalwart, or any other such nonsense. NY 26 is a great example of where this leads.

Jim is leading an Inquisition. I wish him and his site well. I will continue my monthly contributions, but I’m logging off as I think that this purge is doing nothing but helping Obama which I know is the last thing in the world that Jim would like to see. Its been fun.


244 posted on 05/27/2011 7:14:19 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: JoeProBono; Lazamataz

Oh, he’s been demised before. To paraphrase his own words....

“I cannot behave, so I must be punished. “


245 posted on 05/27/2011 7:20:53 PM PDT by don-o (Free Lazamataz!)
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To: mnehring

Yup. Ain’t clear why.


246 posted on 05/27/2011 7:21:47 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: don-o

So Laz is a contemporary Marquis de Sade


247 posted on 05/27/2011 7:22:46 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: JoeProBono
If it was Laz, I'm sure it started with the words "Please sir, may I have another?"
248 posted on 05/27/2011 7:24:24 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Celerity
I don’t donate to the site.

Free riding for three years? Donate, you cheap prick.

249 posted on 05/27/2011 7:59:38 PM PDT by metesky (My retirement fund is holding steady @ $.05 a can.)
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To: Pan_Yan
Whatever did Laz get zotted for???

I'm late to the party here, someone please explain the sich.

250 posted on 05/27/2011 9:20:45 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (The brain is the weapon; everything else is just accessories. --FReeper Joe Brower)
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