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(Tennessee) Man's License Suspended After Charges Appear From 1987 (Charges not his)
WSVM ^ | 05/28/2011 | WSVM

Posted on 05/28/2011 3:04:24 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour

George Springer is at his wit's end. He has to prove that two tickets written 24 years ago are not his.

"The county is making me prove that this was not me," Springer said.

Springer got a letter from the Department of Safety telling him his driver's license was being suspended. The state recently discovered some old traffic charges - one was for speeding - had never shown up on his record.

Springer told Channel 4 the tickets aren't his. He said he's never owned either of the cars listed on the citations and has never lived at the addresses listed.

The Hickman County Circuit Court Clerk said she can't find copies of the 24-year-old tickets. However, a hand-written docket book from 1987 lists Springer's name. It shows the charges were retired to the state, meaning Springer didn't show up in court.

The clerk said she doesn't have the authority to dismiss the old charge. To do that, Springer has to go to court to plead his case before a judge. "Now I have to go before a judge in two weeks to prove I'm not this person, which is almost impossible," Springer said.

To put the date in perspective, 1987 was the year two new television shows premiered: "Star Trek: The Next Generation," and "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles."

The court clerk said a lot of people make the same claim as Springer -- that they're innocent.

"I'm sure they hear that a million times a day, but it's not me," Springer said.

Springer said it would be funny, but it's not. He said trying to prove his innocence on a charge nearly a quarter of a century old has been expensive, time-consuming, and stressful.

"It's not funny; it's crazy," Springer said.


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1 posted on 05/28/2011 3:04:25 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

A lady friend of mine is an attorney here in Nashville. She told me an alarming story about how, since the economic downturn this is happening very frequently.

She believes the counties and the state have either hired folks or assigned current employees to “dug up old, unpaid fines” and have them reinstated.

She has over 50 current clients who have hired her to defend them for similar claims.


2 posted on 05/28/2011 3:07:20 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

No copies of the tickets? Just a notation in a docket book? This should be easy to get tossed.


3 posted on 05/28/2011 3:10:15 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama said OBL is dead I didn't believe it. Al Qaeda says he's dead and now I do!)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

They don’t give a damn if you’re the right George Springer.

Ever search names and find there could hundreds of the same name?
It’s amazing.


4 posted on 05/28/2011 3:10:21 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (They don't need to do another 911. They have BHO and the Fleebaggers.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Statute of limitations for class d traffic misdemeanors should put this BS to rest quick... Going to cost a lot of coin for old goobermint fisaco especially if this guy files a law suit.

Felonies yes .....

25 years later, no copies of the citations etc ??? .... No.

If his drivers license records go back that far and no record shows he lived at that address ever.... case that should have never been pursued is kaput IMO.


5 posted on 05/28/2011 3:12:22 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

They probably don’t hire them, as much as they just turn over the records to a bill collector who tries to pin the fine on people who won’t fight and gets a cut of the take. When America gave up manufacturing as our bread and butter, this is what we became—a nation of jackals who just prey on each other, fighting for the last scraps.


6 posted on 05/28/2011 3:12:41 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (We don't need to win elections. We need to win a revolution.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

I was once arrested for driving on a suspended license that wasn’t. It was easy enough to clear up but it cost me a night in jail.

I had actually renewed my license during the time when it was supposedly suspended. I showed the new license to the judge and he dropped the charges.


7 posted on 05/28/2011 3:15:38 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Sue them!
Teach them this is NOT a revenue stream!


8 posted on 05/28/2011 3:17:01 PM PDT by G Larry (I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character)
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To: cripplecreek
It was easy enough to clear up but it cost me a night in jail.

I'm sure the local cop was perfectly fine with that. Whats a matter with you?

9 posted on 05/28/2011 3:19:12 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama said OBL is dead I didn't believe it. Al Qaeda says he's dead and now I do!)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

I was innocent when it happened to me, and luckily for me the Judge agreed there was “reasonable doubt”, and dismissed the charges against me.

“H” the car was a Pontiac like mine, but different year, four door instead of two door, different color, and in a town nearby that I’d never been to.

I told the Judge perhaps the license was “xxX blah blah blah” instead of “xxx blah blah blah” like mine, and he said “Reasonable Doubt”, and dismissed the charges.

I was lucky. I remember thinking I was going to have to pay for something, because HOW does one prove something like that?


10 posted on 05/28/2011 3:19:47 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: G Larry
Teach them this is NOT a revenue stream!

Exactly my position on blogpimps.

11 posted on 05/28/2011 3:20:38 PM PDT by humblegunner (Free Lazamataz!)
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To: Cyber Liberty

The cop was fine. He called it in when he stopped me for speeding (I was) and it said it was suspended. He went by the book.


12 posted on 05/28/2011 3:23:22 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

In Traffic court there are no Constitutional guarantees.

You are guilty until you prove yourself innocent.

If the cop says you did it, your denial doesn’t count for squat.

I guess there is no Statute of limitations in Traffic Court.


13 posted on 05/28/2011 3:23:57 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: TribalPrincess2U
It’s amazing.

Yep, it is. And a Swat Team in Tucson kicks in the door of an X-Marine and fires 71 round at him and 22 connect. He is dead, Swat team looks very foolish. They are still trying to figure out how to cover that one over.

14 posted on 05/28/2011 3:24:42 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: cripplecreek

A night in jail seems a little harsh for a suspended license. But maybe that’s just me...


15 posted on 05/28/2011 3:25:49 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama said OBL is dead I didn't believe it. Al Qaeda says he's dead and now I do!)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Question?

Why do small government conservatives, you know, the liberty loving limited government types support the whole system that surrounds owning and operating a motor vehicle? I can only assume that voters support it because we have the government we want right? I know that many Freepers support the system because of the many many arguments surrounding the issues of seat belt laws, helmet laws, checkpoints etc.

So how can you be a freedom loving, small government conservative on the one hand, and support the greatest form of tyranny that can be experienced by an American; Owning and operating a motor vehicle?

In this country, instead of training people to be competent drivers, we build a system of regulations and citations that are geared for incompetent boobs who cannot tie their own shoe laces without a youtube how-to video.

Oh it reminds me of down town city parking cabals. Where you create an impossible parking situation, then hand out citations by the handful to violators. Same thing here. We don’t want the roads filled with competent self sufficient drivers. Rather, we prefer the roads filled with barely competent drivers, saddled with thousands of regulations designed to take the place of competent operation of a motor vehicle. Drivers are trained to pass a written test (it’s all about complying with rules) but drivers are never trained how to operate the vehicle when things go wrong. Nobody is trained by driving 90 mph across stop sticks and safely bringing the vehicle to a stop without rolling it. Pilots on the other hand are put through training where the aircraft is put into an odd attitude and failure configuration, then expected to recover. American drivers are competent on clear sunny days, dry pavement, fully inflated tires and no more than 70 mph, as long as they don’t really have to steer.

So why do we choose tyranny and control over self sufficiency and competence? I have no idea. I guess it’s just the American way. The Fing village won’t work unless everybody is forced to rely on big brother to fix what we are too willfully incompetent to avoid.

But lets face it. Traffic regs are just a fun and exciting way to make a mockery of the 4th amendment, and employ otherwise unemployable law school graduates masquerading as Da’s and judges anyway.


16 posted on 05/28/2011 3:28:25 PM PDT by DariusBane (People are like sheep and have two speeds: grazing and stampede)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Standard procedure.


17 posted on 05/28/2011 3:29:16 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: DariusBane

That didn’t make much sense.


18 posted on 05/28/2011 3:32:02 PM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: cripplecreek

I don’t doubt that a bit. They have lots of policies, eliminates the necessity of rational thought. We have policies, too.


19 posted on 05/28/2011 3:34:00 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama said OBL is dead I didn't believe it. Al Qaeda says he's dead and now I do!)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
However, a hand-written docket book from 1987 lists Springer's name.

Well then I guess it's legit!

20 posted on 05/28/2011 3:35:31 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

That’s almost as bad as my being accused of being some Aryan Nation/Christian Identity dude (similar name except middle name, and that person is now in the Federal Pen).


21 posted on 05/28/2011 3:36:12 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (FUBO, the No Talent Pop Star pResident.)
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To: Cyber Liberty
Statue of limitations should have expired by now....Only the crime of murder never expires....
22 posted on 05/28/2011 3:36:29 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Big deal. Go to court. In order for their case to proceed, the cop will need to testify. He’s probably no longer employed by the department. Case dismissed.


23 posted on 05/28/2011 3:38:52 PM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (Fascism is nothing but moderate communism.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

IMHO...

The only real purpose for driver licenses is a revenue stream. There is nothing else a state does with them other than manage violations charges, revoke them and use them for ID.

All that would be needed for personal ID card would be a photo ID card with SSN as an identifier, along with a guaranteed unique card ID. The production of these could be outsourced completely because all the state would need would be a file at the state linking your SSN, the unique ID and your other personal info, like name, address, telephone, etc.

Automobiles have a State registration and their only purpose is a revenue stream as well - there’s nothing they really need to manage with auto registrations.


24 posted on 05/28/2011 3:39:11 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (Huguenot)
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To: goat granny

One would think. This is looking as if local governments are scamming the citizens.


25 posted on 05/28/2011 3:39:25 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama said OBL is dead I didn't believe it. Al Qaeda says he's dead and now I do!)
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To: ansel12

You wrote: “That didn’t make much sense.”

I write: That does not surprise me.


26 posted on 05/28/2011 3:40:15 PM PDT by DariusBane (People are like sheep and have two speeds: grazing and stampede)
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To: ansel12
I have a friend that lost his wallet in New York City some 30 yrs ago. He has live in California with his CA license until 2 yrs ago. He moved to another state & they showed a unpaid speeding violation back 30 yrs ago in the state of Connecticut. He has never been in that state & the fines are so horrendous that he now is driving w/o a license. That really sucks.
27 posted on 05/28/2011 3:40:48 PM PDT by Digger (would have fought on the souths side.)
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To: Fred Hayek

With a name like Fred Hayek the Keynesians probably have a hit squad looking for you. ;~)


28 posted on 05/28/2011 3:45:30 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: DariusBane

Me neither.


29 posted on 05/28/2011 3:48:49 PM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: goat granny

Is it possible that speeding tickets are below the level of ‘crime’ and aren’t covered by Statue of limitations... Seems the judge would know if a 24 year old ticket was valid...


30 posted on 05/28/2011 3:49:16 PM PDT by GOPJ (http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2009/05/terrifying-brilliance-of-islam.html)
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To: Digger

Weird story, I have old tickets in other states.


31 posted on 05/28/2011 3:50:32 PM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: ansel12

Ok I will break it down for you:

Part One: Conservatives = Big Government Bad.

Traffic law system= Big Governemt

Question? Why do Conservatives in this case support big government.

Part Two:

Conservatives = self sufficient individuals.

Conservatives supporting regs designed for untrained drivers= BAD.

States interest in untrained drivers and lots of traffic laws = subverting 4th amendment = BAD.

Hope that helps


32 posted on 05/28/2011 3:57:48 PM PDT by DariusBane (People are like sheep and have two speeds: grazing and stampede)
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To: Cyber Liberty
This should be easy to get tossed.

Except the judge you're going in front of is an employee of the same county that's going after you for the fine. He and the county both know it's cheaper on you to pay the fine rather than fight it and that's what they're counting on. Depending on how corrupt or a horse's rear he is, if you do have the audacity to waste his time swearing your innocence, your odds of getting it tossed may be slim to none. BTDT and was told to pay up.

33 posted on 05/28/2011 4:00:42 PM PDT by bgill (Kenyan Parliament - how could a man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: DariusBane
Long ago and far away, (decades and 2000+ miles) we had a course with a range, manual transmission vehicles (If you can drive one of those, you can drive an automatic.), hills to start out on, parallel parking, etc. as part of "Driver's Ed".

We did not need class time to figure out how to put a 'raincoat' on a pickle.

Now, kids are 'educated' in things they'd likely have figured out for themselves doing what comes naturally, as well as a host of deviant behaviours, (which they'd have figured out if they'd been so inclined--or not), but they can't drive a stick shift...

The 'pickles' still aren't getting covered, by the teenage birth rate.

34 posted on 05/28/2011 4:04:36 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

What? No statute of limitations on traffic fines?


35 posted on 05/28/2011 4:06:50 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Government Union Run Schools
Union Run Police...

Connection?

Pickles in raincoats. It usually a good idea. I don’t think anybody taught me that. Well, fear taught me that.


36 posted on 05/28/2011 4:11:03 PM PDT by DariusBane (People are like sheep and have two speeds: grazing and stampede)
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To: Squantos
Statute of limitations for class d traffic misdemeanors should put this BS to rest quick... Going to cost a lot of coin for old goobermint fisaco especially if this guy files a law suit. Felonies yes ..... 25 years later, no copies of the citations etc ??? .... No. If his drivers license records go back that far and no record shows he lived at that address ever.... case that should have never been pursued is kaput IMO.

When I got my license in 1973 Tennessee did not keep minor moving violation driving offenses on your record past 4-5 years. It was when Barney, Floyd, and Goober, at the Department of Safety in Nashville started putting old {should have been purged} traffic offenses decades old into the Tennessee Hiway Patrol database the problems started. Unless a person commits a felony while driving it should return to mandatory purging after 7 years. County Court Clerks refusing to do so should face fines personally.

When it comes to trying to extort revenue from citizens some officials in a few Tennessee counties and towns have no moral conscience. For them anything goes and take peoples money till you get caught.

37 posted on 05/28/2011 4:36:54 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Bryanw92
When America gave up manufacturing as our bread and butter, this is what we became—a nation of jackals who just prey on each other, fighting for the last scraps.

This is also called a 'service economy'...

38 posted on 05/28/2011 4:40:12 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 856 of our national holiday from reality. - Obama really isn't one of us)
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To: cripplecreek
The cop was fine. He called it in when he stopped me for speeding (I was) and it said it was suspended. He went by the book.

If it was just suspended in Tennessee he was being a jerk especially if your priors were clear. Driving on Revoked is another matter though. I know plenty of person who forgot to renew in Tennessee {honest mistakes} and simmply got a summons and free to go.

39 posted on 05/28/2011 4:43:14 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: goat granny
Only the crime of murder never expires....

Murder, kidnap, and

....

wait for it

...

Defrauding the IRS!

40 posted on 05/28/2011 4:45:18 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 856 of our national holiday from reality. - Obama really isn't one of us)
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To: DariusBane

FWIW I got it the first time.


41 posted on 05/28/2011 4:47:32 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 856 of our national holiday from reality. - Obama really isn't one of us)
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To: G Larry

Problem with suing the state of this, its not against the law... there is no “statute of limitations” once the ticket or case has been entered on the docket as these have... the statute of limitations applies to the time to bring the charge, these tickets were all written at the time of the crime... the issue is over the collection of money.


42 posted on 05/28/2011 4:52:28 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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To: DariusBane

They (small .gov luving conservatives) do it because they are hypocrites...


43 posted on 05/28/2011 4:54:35 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

If he were to go to court and have Xxx number of George Springers would the court have to prove which one was guilty?
No they would probably charge them all

This country is rapidly sliding into the ditch, becoming the newest Banana Republic!


44 posted on 05/28/2011 4:55:20 PM PDT by GOYAKLA (Flush Congress in 2010 & 2012)
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To: GOPJ
Is it possible that speeding tickets are below the level of ‘crime’ and aren’t covered by Statue of limitations... Seems the judge would know if a 24 year old ticket was valid...

If someone owes another person $100, but for some number of years the person who was owed money fails to make any effort to collect on that debt, the debt becomes legally uncollectable no matter how solid the evidence may be that the money was owed and never paid. While there are specific rules which change the statutes of limitations for some types of debt, I am unaware of any that would be applicable to traffic tickets or other civil fines.

Were it not for such statutes of limitations, anyone who ever paid any sort of debt would have to keep forever the evidence of such payment. An N-year statute of limitations gives one the freedom to dispose of receipts that are more than N years old, without fear of being compelled to produce them.

45 posted on 05/28/2011 4:56:26 PM PDT by supercat (Barry Soetoro == Bravo Sierra)
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To: GOYAKLA
becoming the newest Banana Republic!

Becoming?!?!?! Hell you say... were already here!

46 posted on 05/28/2011 4:57:18 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
I got a speeding ticket somewhere in northern Georgia on December 31, 1999. I was driving from Kentucky to a New Year's party/weekend getaway at a cabin somewhere in the Lookout Mountain vicinity.

I somehow lost the ticket in the course of the weekend. I couldn't remember the name of the county I was pulled over in, didn't have internet at the time for research, and I moved to a new address shortly afterwards and never got any letters about the ticket. Thus, I never paid it.

A few years later I moved to Atlanta, and despite being registered with the DOT and getting pulled over a couple of times, this unpaid ticket has never come up.
47 posted on 05/28/2011 5:00:08 PM PDT by Welsh Rabbit
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

I sit here, corrected! Thanks.


48 posted on 05/28/2011 5:06:00 PM PDT by GOYAKLA (Flush Congress in 2010 & 2012)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
He's guilty of Ticket Denial and Offense Outrage. Had he admitted the tickets are his then they could’ve been dismissed but since he denies them he's guilty.
Now all he has to do is just go to court and prove he doesn't exist.
49 posted on 05/28/2011 5:11:22 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: DariusBane
You're right and I'm with you. Try pointing that out and inevitably you get the chorus of "driving is a privilege, not a right". To that I say:

read this

50 posted on 05/28/2011 5:12:14 PM PDT by thecabal (The Golden Rule: He who has the gold, makes the rules.)
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