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(Tennessee) Man's License Suspended After Charges Appear From 1987 (Charges not his)
WSVM ^ | 05/28/2011 | WSVM

Posted on 05/28/2011 3:04:24 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour

George Springer is at his wit's end. He has to prove that two tickets written 24 years ago are not his.

"The county is making me prove that this was not me," Springer said.

Springer got a letter from the Department of Safety telling him his driver's license was being suspended. The state recently discovered some old traffic charges - one was for speeding - had never shown up on his record.

Springer told Channel 4 the tickets aren't his. He said he's never owned either of the cars listed on the citations and has never lived at the addresses listed.

The Hickman County Circuit Court Clerk said she can't find copies of the 24-year-old tickets. However, a hand-written docket book from 1987 lists Springer's name. It shows the charges were retired to the state, meaning Springer didn't show up in court.

The clerk said she doesn't have the authority to dismiss the old charge. To do that, Springer has to go to court to plead his case before a judge. "Now I have to go before a judge in two weeks to prove I'm not this person, which is almost impossible," Springer said.

To put the date in perspective, 1987 was the year two new television shows premiered: "Star Trek: The Next Generation," and "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles."

The court clerk said a lot of people make the same claim as Springer -- that they're innocent.

"I'm sure they hear that a million times a day, but it's not me," Springer said.

Springer said it would be funny, but it's not. He said trying to prove his innocence on a charge nearly a quarter of a century old has been expensive, time-consuming, and stressful.

"It's not funny; it's crazy," Springer said.


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To: Cyber Liberty

A night in jail seems a little harsh for a suspended license. But maybe that’s just me...”

If he spoke Spanish he wouldn’t even need a license. Obviously his mother’s fault!


51 posted on 05/28/2011 5:34:35 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: thecabal; The Magical Mischief Tour

You are preaching to the choir with that excellently written article. Thank you for directing me to it. I would add:

From the Deceleration of Independence. “Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

I understand that is not a constitutional document however it shows how far we have veered from the concepts of Liberty that birthed us.

I always want to puke on my shoes every time I hear “This Country Tis of Thee” and the phrase “this land of liberty, to thee I sing.”

Liberty is not even on the Radar in this country! Has not been for a very, very long time. So I say, quit singing the damn song!

My problem is that years ago I bought into Jefferson, Adams, Locke, Blackstone. I wish I hadn’t. I wish I had never philosophically tasted the sweet fruits. I would by far be happier if I just went along with the program. Add a double dose of Globull Warming to boot! Why the hell not? I could enjoy Low blood pressure and only just the vague and ill defined malaise associated with collective self delusion and collective shame.


52 posted on 05/28/2011 5:35:47 PM PDT by DariusBane (People are like sheep and have two speeds: grazing and stampede)
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To: Welsh Rabbit

Good luck! you might have something to look forward to!


53 posted on 05/28/2011 5:38:51 PM PDT by meatloaf
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Tennessee seems to have a problem. I moved there for a year back in 1989 then moved back to Texas. Got my Texas license and surrendered my Tenn license. When that license “expired” Tenn notified my insurance company and my insurance was cancelled. Took me a lot of work to prove that I’d turned the Tenn license into the State of Texas.


54 posted on 05/28/2011 5:40:04 PM PDT by Terry Mross (Only a SECOND party will get my vote.)
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To: goat granny
Only the crime of murder never expires....

Or, in some instances, the payment of child support.

55 posted on 05/28/2011 5:42:17 PM PDT by DeaconBenjamin (A trillion here, a trillion there, soon you're NOT talking real money)
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To: DariusBane
I got it, too. Some good points. I guess, like schools, the sheeple have been led to believe that "they will take care of our children's education".

When I got my license it was six weeks of school and nine hours of driving instruction. Long time ago. Nothing the driving instructor taught me was new. My father had fully prepared me under my permit.

THAT is the real problem. Parents of each succeeding generation pass on less and less of what is the right way to do things - they have been led to believe someone from the govt. will fill the gaps.

56 posted on 05/28/2011 5:48:24 PM PDT by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: meatloaf

I was perfectly willing to pay the ticket, I just didn’t know how to. Now I’m sort of worried what sort of interest and penalties this 11 year old ticket might have accumulated if Georgia decides to go the Tennessee route.


57 posted on 05/28/2011 5:49:46 PM PDT by Welsh Rabbit
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To: DariusBane

So you wish you had taken the blue pill. :)


58 posted on 05/28/2011 5:51:18 PM PDT by thecabal (The Golden Rule: He who has the gold, makes the rules.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

The old USSR approach. Prove you didn’t do it, or you’re guilty.

Watch and see how much more of this occurs with civil infractions that require fines, now that governments are hunting around for money.


59 posted on 05/28/2011 5:55:46 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ( If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: Fred Hayek

I had cops accuse me of harboring a fugitive because he had given the same last name as mine and my address when arrested. Apparently he had looked me up in the phone book, used my information, and the dipshit cops did not verity his identity before releasing him on bail.

They claimed I had to prove he was not my brother. Morons.


60 posted on 05/28/2011 6:03:42 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ( If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: rockinqsranch

“because HOW does one prove something like that?”

How do you prove your innocent? Seems I read something about people being innocent until proven guilty. I guess thats been tossed.


61 posted on 05/28/2011 6:14:33 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: cva66snipe

Crooked stuff going on with regards to revenue based fines an such.... All over the nation.

Stay Safe !


62 posted on 05/28/2011 6:17:18 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: supercat
Were it not for such statutes of limitations, anyone who ever paid any sort of debt would have to keep forever the evidence of such payment. An N-year statute of limitations gives one the freedom to dispose of receipts that are more than N years old, without fear of being compelled to produce them.

Thanks - there's something 'fair' about the above... that's nice.

63 posted on 05/28/2011 7:30:56 PM PDT by GOPJ (http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2009/05/terrifying-brilliance-of-islam.html)
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To: DariusBane

You took the red pill, became self-aware and now are miserable. If you had taken the blue pill, you would have remained a happy idiot. Bummer!


64 posted on 05/28/2011 8:21:10 PM PDT by packrat35 (America is rapidly becoming a police state that East Germany could be proud of!)
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To: Digger
Something similar happened to me about 20 years ago. I live in NY and our licenses used to have no picture. I used to travel alot and somehow my license was lost, and I didn't realize it for almost six months until I was coming back into the states, at the Rainbow Bridge in Niagara Falls, and the guy in the booth informs me that I have a bench warrant in Gloversville, NY that I better take care of. Fortunately, he didn't detain me or call the state police.

To make a long story short, I ended up going to court there 3 times, the last time with a lawyer, and I ended up splitting $1200 in fines with the owner of the car which the tickets were issued to. Apparently, somebody there ended up with my license--I had never been there before this--and they got a pile of tickets in this lady's car.

She claimed that it must have been somebody who was joyriding in her car. I thought I was off the hook the first time I went to court and met with the prosecutor when the sheriff said that I wasn't the person he gave the tickets to. I had my Passport for ID. But the small town prosecutor and judge didn't care and said I was fully responsible for any use of the document since I didn't report it missing. Basically, the lawyer told me that they didn't care who they got the money from, but they were going to get it before they let me off the hook. The lawyer was able to convince the judge to split it between us. I paid the court $600, the lawyer $250, and ate the three days I had to take off of work so that I could drive 6 hours there and 6 back each time I had to appear.

I was probably the happiest person in the world when NY finally went to photo driver licenses.

65 posted on 05/28/2011 8:55:17 PM PDT by SirFishalot
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To: SirFishalot

You Sirfishalot, were dealing with a criminal enterprise in a black robe. How long before enough people will believe that this empire is not worth saving?


66 posted on 05/28/2011 8:58:58 PM PDT by DariusBane (People are like sheep and have two speeds: grazing and stampede)
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To: raybbr

Raybbr, the other guy got it too. He just didn’t want to get it. I stripped away the insulation from the wire and instead of the gleaming copper he thought was there he saw a steaming pile of poo.

Nobody likes that the first time.


67 posted on 05/28/2011 9:05:25 PM PDT by DariusBane (People are like sheep and have two speeds: grazing and stampede)
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To: thecabal

thanks for that site.


68 posted on 05/29/2011 5:27:12 AM PDT by sopwith (don't tread on me)
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To: Squantos

It might not be quite that simple. In some jurisdictions the Defendant’s failure to appear to answer the charges against him is considered to “toll” the statute of limitations. That means the running of the statute is suspended until the defendant appears. So, if the statute of limitations is one year, and the hearing at which the defendant failed to appear was three months after the alleged violation, there would still be nine months remaining on the statute once the defendant re-appeared.


69 posted on 05/29/2011 6:51:59 AM PDT by blau993
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

The “Problem” is that the tickets were NOT HIS!

He never owned the cars, or lived at the address cited!


70 posted on 05/29/2011 6:56:29 AM PDT by G Larry (I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character)
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To: blau993

Not sure of laws in Tennessee but just a few questions.....

Is that not just for felonies ?

Can’t be upgraded to a felony if a bench warrant was never issued for failure to appear can it ??


71 posted on 05/29/2011 6:58:45 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Squantos

This is certainly not a felony. It is at worst a misdemeanor, and more likely it is a civil fine. Nevertheless, most of these things have either a statute of limitations or a statute of repose. The difference between the two is that limitations bars the remedy (the right to bring the action), while repose bars the action itself. As a general proposition, limitations will be subject to tolling and repose won’t. It all depends on how the statutes are written, which is why I can only talk in generalities.


72 posted on 05/29/2011 12:07:48 PM PDT by blau993
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