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Best Rifle Scope?
FreeRepublic | 5/29/2011 | Washi

Posted on 05/29/2011 1:13:35 PM PDT by Washi

O.K. All of you firearms experts:

I had hoped to go to the range today and sight in my new Remington 700 .308. However, the winds here are 20mph with gusts in the 30s. Not conducive to an accurate zero. I also realize that I'm probably going to want to put a better scope on the rifle than the cheap one that it came with.

So, what rifle scope would you recommend? What should I look for in a good scope. What should I avoid? What scope, in your opinion, represents the best value for a reasonable price? What tips would you give for the zeroing process?

Thanks.


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1 posted on 05/29/2011 1:13:38 PM PDT by Washi
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To: Washi; mylife; smokingfrog

PING to some guys who might be able to help!


2 posted on 05/29/2011 1:16:42 PM PDT by MS.BEHAVIN (Women who behave rarely make history)
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To: Washi

I have a Remington 770 equipped with a Luepold Mark 4 3.5-10x 40mm.

Get one. Totally worth it.


3 posted on 05/29/2011 1:19:10 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: Washi

Don’t throw away the scope that came with your rifle. You may need it one day or find another use for it.

Put it in the box your Luepold came in and just store it.


4 posted on 05/29/2011 1:20:54 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: Vendome

Can’t go wrong with a Leupold. Trijicon makes good scopes also.


5 posted on 05/29/2011 1:21:41 PM PDT by jospehm20
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To: Washi

Give us a more specific price range, please. You can spend from a couple hundred to several thousand on “good scope.”


6 posted on 05/29/2011 1:22:30 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: Washi
The first thing you have to ask yourself is "what am I going to use this rifle for?".

If you're going to do long range, precision shooting you'll want a scope with higher magnification, possibly a rangefinding type.

If you're going to smack deer or other medium sized game inside of 250 yards or so, you'll want something different. Scopes are like any other tool. They should be matched to the job you intend to do.

That being said Lueopold makes an excellent line of scopes for almost any purpose. Just make sure you know what you want it to do before you plunk down a whole bunch of money on something unsuitable for your purpose.

7 posted on 05/29/2011 1:22:35 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Washi

Anything by Leupold should serve you well.I have an old M8 on my 700 tactical-I’m more than satisfied with the combo.


8 posted on 05/29/2011 1:23:09 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: NVDave; Lurker
I plan to use the scope for hunting and for target shooting (up to 500 yards.)

As far as my price range, I'd probably cringe if I ended up paying more for the scope than for the rifle. I don't want to spend more than $500.

9 posted on 05/29/2011 1:27:45 PM PDT by Washi
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To: Washi

Davy Crockett, Daniel Boone didn’t need a scope...

Just joking by the way... good luck w/ your search.


10 posted on 05/29/2011 1:30:47 PM PDT by justice14 ("stand up defend or lay down and die")
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To: Vendome

Sure is nice to know there is someone out there with ‘price no concern’. I have to make Wal-Marts’ best as good as I can.


11 posted on 05/29/2011 1:32:14 PM PDT by arrdon (Never underestimate the stupidity of the American voter.)
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To: Washi
Depends


12 posted on 05/29/2011 1:34:04 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: Washi

"da one with a rifle under it"

13 posted on 05/29/2011 1:35:50 PM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Washi

Nikon Monarch is an excellent scope.


14 posted on 05/29/2011 1:36:30 PM PDT by omega4179
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To: Washi

Unless you’re reloading your previously fired shells for a single shot bolt action, your scope isn’t holding your accuracy back, therefore go cheap and keep the one you’ve got.


15 posted on 05/29/2011 1:38:20 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: Washi
I have the new Bushnell 3-12x44mm scope with an illuminated mildot reticle on my .30-06 Remington 700. The clarity and quality is outstanding; equal to Leupold, IMO, at a significantly lower price. The 3200, 4200 and 6500 Elite series scopes are a real step forward and upwards for Bushnell. I would recommend that you take a close look at them.

My rifle:

Bushnell Elite rifle scopes

16 posted on 05/29/2011 1:40:21 PM PDT by Vigilant1 (The price of liberty is eternal vigilance.)
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To: Washi
Since there are many high end scopes your final choice is the most important.
Like Vendome I am also partial to Leupold scopes.
You can get all the scopes you want, but if you can't shoot that 308 accurately with what Remington supplied you're SOL.
Shooting on a windy range is par for the course. Learn how to use Kentucky windage.
17 posted on 05/29/2011 1:42:17 PM PDT by Doc91678 (Doc91678)
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To: Washi

18 posted on 05/29/2011 1:43:24 PM PDT by BulletBobCo
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To: Washi

I don’t think you can go wrong with Leupold.

Good price/performance ratio and good customer support


19 posted on 05/29/2011 1:43:41 PM PDT by mylife
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To: Doc91678

PRICE! I must have a price!


20 posted on 05/29/2011 1:43:56 PM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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To: Washi
To clarify, the exact model in the pic above is the Bushnell Elite Tactical 4500 3-12x44mm.
21 posted on 05/29/2011 1:44:43 PM PDT by Vigilant1 (The price of liberty is eternal vigilance.)
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To: Washi
I plan to use the scope for hunting and for target shooting (up to 500 yards.)

You certainly can hunt deer from 500 yards, but do you need an expensive scope for that? Deer are pretty large animals, and the more expensive scope won't give you that much. If you want to shoot small varmints (ground squirrel, PD) at that distance then first I'd be impressed, and then I'd indeed suggest you need a better scope.

Target shooting requires a good rifle and a good scope. If your rifle is not sub-MOA then there is no reason to splurge on a better scope. You may see the target better, but that's about all it gives you. Besides, isn't .308 a tad expensive to shoot at paper?

Price-wise, if you are cringing at $500 for a scope, the best scope you can get is the one that is already on the rifle. A decent Leupold scope (VX-III or better) will cost you about $900.

22 posted on 05/29/2011 1:44:59 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: Washi

i was looking at one similar to that to buy.

Just how bad is the scope that comes with it?

I mean it looked OK in the store, but ??? why does everyone say the first thing they will do is replace the scope


23 posted on 05/29/2011 1:47:30 PM PDT by Mr. K (CAPSLOCK! -Unleash the fury! [Palin/Bachman 2012- unbeatable ticket])
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To: Washi

In the price range you indicate I would go with a Burris TAC 30 LRS. I have a couple of them on my primary hunting guns. 3-9 power is plenty for hunting out to 500 yds. Don’t make the mistake that you need a higher power for more accuracy. The TAC 30 LRS has both ballistic reticle and target style knobs an lighted reticle with push button operation. Lighted reticle is really nice for low light hunting situations.

http://burrisoptics.com/ff30tactical1.html


24 posted on 05/29/2011 1:49:49 PM PDT by Okieshooter
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To: Washi
Tip one: Make sure you can see through it. Tip two: Make sure you can afford it. Tip Three: If it cost more than the Model 700 think about getting something cheaper. Personally I buy cheap scopes, such as Simmons and Bushnell, they work well enough to have helped me bag about 50 bucks during my hunting career. However, if you wish to go the expensive route Leupold is a fine scope and expensive, but right now Midway is having an online sale on Leupold, and other scopes, with some savings up to 480 bucks. No, I don't work for midway or Leupold or any other outfit. Just my comments and observations.

The way I figure it, if they can knock 480 bucks off of the price of a scope it is WAY too expensive for me even on sale:).

25 posted on 05/29/2011 1:50:18 PM PDT by calex59 (`/)
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To: Washi

OK, that brings things into a much better defined range of options.

For that money, I’d be looking at Leupold and Nikon, first. Both of them have good warranty programs and good scopes.

Here’s what you’ll be looking for:

1. You won’t find a good scope with a front objective of more than 40 to 42mm in that price range. You might find scopes with 50 to 56mm objectives, but in that price range, they won’t be good. Good, distortion-free glass costs money, and the bigger the front of objective at a low level of distortion, the higher the cost.

2. You won’t find a scope with more than 10 to 16 times magnification at the top end of the range and still be a “good” scope in that price range.

With that said, I’d be looking at something in the 3x9, 4 to 10 to 4 to 16x magnification range, with an adjustable objective, fog proof, fully sealed, lifetime warranty. If you’re looking on keeping the overall cost down, look in the 1” scope tube family, as your rings/mounts will cost less. Don’t forget that you have to budget for the rings and bases (if your rifle doesn’t already have them). Buying a scope is just part of the expense here.


26 posted on 05/29/2011 1:55:45 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: Washi

Before my weapon was tragically lost in a boating accident while crossing a river, I had the Remington 700 police special in .308 with the kevlar stock. I mounted a second generation Springfield Armory scope (costs as much as the rifle) and was able to shoot 3 shot groups of 1/2 inch at 200 yards with it. I am not the best shot but that is good enough for government work. I had a bipod on the front and a monopod on the back for dialing in the shots with a good rest..I miss this rifle so much and wonder if the fishes enjoy it half as much as I did when I dialed it up to 12x and counted the freckles on a groundhogs nose at 100 yards. Yes, Freckle counting is a strange hobby. : )


27 posted on 05/29/2011 2:01:39 PM PDT by contrarian ( KEEP YOUR BEEBERS STUNED)
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To: arrdon

A Mk 4 Leupold is not really a “price is no concern” scope. It is a good higher-end offering in rifle scopes, but it isn’t the top of the range.

There are scopes that run $2500 and *up*. Want to see a “price is no object” sort of scope?

Hensoldt, Schmidt und Bender, Swarovski, Zeiss, Leupold Mk 8, US Optics, Nightforce, etc - can run up to $5K for the glassware alone. Then you need to worry about mounts, bases, etc.


28 posted on 05/29/2011 2:05:08 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: contrarian

That was a *fast-moving* river as I remember it, right? I mean the tragedy was that your Remington was swept away before we could even think about trying to retrieve it, right?


29 posted on 05/29/2011 2:07:08 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: Vigilant1

I agree with you and I was giving serious thought to a 4200 recently. I was brought up in the days when Bushnell was a name on the downhill slide, but what I saw in that 4200 impressed me quite favorably.


30 posted on 05/29/2011 2:08:53 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: Washi

I prefer Schmidt and Bender, Zeiss, and Swarovski, in that order with 30mm tubes. They all expensive European glass. It boils down to resolution, clarity and light gathering, they cannot be beat. I have used Leupold and replaced them with the European optics.


31 posted on 05/29/2011 2:11:30 PM PDT by Glennb51
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To: NVDave

My next rifle is getting a Schmidt and Bender.

Everything is currently scoped with the Leupold above but I’d like to try the Schmidt and Bender. I understand the refractive qualities are amazing in low light.


32 posted on 05/29/2011 2:11:34 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: Washi
"As far as my price range, I'd probably cringe if I ended up paying more for the scope than for the rifle."

I understand that mentality as most people think along those lines. I would recommend you not lock yourself into that mindset. It's more palatable to think of your firearm as a system; from the weapon itself, to the optics to the sling, to the ammo to any other accesories you add to it. These days there are a lot of rifle manufacturers that are making impressively accurate weapons at relatively low cost, and finding optics that are fully capable of taking advantage of the weapon's capabilities will regularly lead to glass that can easily match, if not exceed the price of the rifle.

33 posted on 05/29/2011 2:14:08 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: jospehm20

Have Trijicon on the AR.

I was really surprise at how accurate you can be using it.

Very quick acquisition and pretty dang’d good in low light.


34 posted on 05/29/2011 2:15:09 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: Washi

Classic Arms is running a mega good deal on a UTG 3X9X40 op scope,($69.95) a Bushnell sharpshooter 3-9X40 ($39.95) and a Barska pro hunter 3X12X50. ($75)


35 posted on 05/29/2011 2:15:09 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Washi
Leupold VX-II 6-18x40mm

A rifle like that deserves a good scope. There are better scopes of course, but you were looking for something in this price range.

36 posted on 05/29/2011 2:18:34 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: NVDave

Yes ,Dave, IT was a deep and swift river. I noted the gps coordinates in case I ever needed to try to find it if I ever give up my nonviolent “can’t we all get along” philosophy that I have developed over the years since I served in the 101st Airborne in Viet Nam many years ago. By the way, the load I used in this attempted zeroing in of the late weapon was the “dollar a shot” (at that time) red box Black HIlls 168 grain Match Ammo. I have heard you can get more accuracy in the Remington 700 by handloading the .308 slightly longer than commercial ammo requirements, something to do with the bullet engaging the rifling but I digress as I am now nonviolent and thinking of becoming a democrat.. : D


37 posted on 05/29/2011 2:18:39 PM PDT by contrarian ( KEEP YOUR BEEBERS STUNED)
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To: Washi; All
Had a Burris...actual three. The second & third one were replacements for the original and its replacement.

All had bad glass and moving reticle problems.

I was sold a bill of BS. The Burris Fullfield II (3x9x50) was expensive and not worth sh!t.

Back to Leupold.

38 posted on 05/29/2011 2:25:08 PM PDT by harpu ( "...it's better to be hated for who you are than loved for someone you're not!")
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To: contrarian

Get a true measurement of the throat of your rifle, back off .005 from that and start there.

Flip a PM if you have questions.


39 posted on 05/29/2011 2:28:22 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: harpu
Sorry to hear about your experience. I have a Burris prism sight, and have been extremely pleased with it. I've only had one customer service experience regarding a mounting bolt that I over-torqued, and they dropped a replacement in the mail the day I called...at no charge.
40 posted on 05/29/2011 2:31:39 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Washi

Scopes should be sized to the range you want to have an accurate shot at. A scope for 200 yrd and 2” accuracy is going to be different than 500 yrd 5” accuracy. You also will want to know which reticle you can / want to use. Do you want bullet drop compensation, mil-dot, range finder ... etc.


41 posted on 05/29/2011 2:33:37 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Washi
get a Simmons Aetec 44 mm go here http://swfa.com/default.aspx
42 posted on 05/29/2011 2:36:29 PM PDT by jrd
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To: Vendome

I have one too. They are pricy, but worth it. I am looking at the 1x4 they make for my AR-10.


43 posted on 05/29/2011 2:41:59 PM PDT by jospehm20
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To: Washi
CenterPoint 4-16x40mm Scope $65.99

Don't let the low price scare you. This is a lot of scope for the money. It even comes with mounts. Read the 117 reviews for a lot of insight.

44 posted on 05/29/2011 2:56:23 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (If Sarah Palin really was unelectable, state-run media would be begging the GOP to nominate her.)
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To: MS.BEHAVIN

Redfield 3X9 40mm. This is IMO the best value on the market today. It’s a Leupold- made scope, literally made in the same factoy to the same standards. They make 30, 40, and 50mm objectives and all models are typically under $175. No fancy reticular, etc., but a fine bright scope nonetheless. I have one on my CZ 527 .223 bolt action. Candles and Midway have em. Academy Sports also (where I got mine) for $160.


45 posted on 05/29/2011 3:36:05 PM PDT by Afterguard
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To: Washi

I put a Nikon on the 700 .308 I got last winter. Haven’t fired it yet but am looking forward to it.


46 posted on 05/29/2011 3:41:21 PM PDT by 1L
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To: Washi
You didn't say what you were going to do with the rifle.

Still, if for hunting I recommend the lightweight Leupold straight 4X.

If for sniping (assuming you have a bull barrel or found a bullet weight that shoots .5in at 100yds in your rifle) I recommend the Shepherd 4 x 10 x 40.

47 posted on 05/29/2011 3:43:52 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Washi

Leupold is now making the Redfield scopes, but you can buy a Leupold that will exceed your purpose at a better price than the Redfield by shopping at Cabela’s online.

I have a Leupold on the first rifle that I built almost thirty years ago, a 30-338 that rocks a 190 gr boat tail at 2994 fps. That scope has never lost zero in any hunt from the Carolinas to Washington state. I believe the Vari-X 3.5 x 10 is around $600.00 now.

My .375 safari rifle that I built to match a 1950s Remington, has a 1957 Weaver Steel tube that is crystal clear and stands the recoil and weather extremes just fine.

Buy the best scope you can afford and become proficient with it. Most rifle scopes today are more up to the task than the rifleman.


48 posted on 05/29/2011 4:16:02 PM PDT by Big_Harry ( Starve the Beast!)
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To: Glennb51
LOL! I am an iron sight person myself with the old 30-30 Winchester that I have been using for about 45 years now. Fine bead is sighted at 50 yards and coarse bead is 100 yards. Anything over 100 yards, you take a bead, raise the barrel some and watch where the dust hits to adjust up or down a bit.

But! I do know lenses, expensive lenses, and agree with your opinion about Zeiss and Swarovski. Never had experience with Schmidt and Bender so can't venture anything first hand. Zeiss though, I have observed objects though that should be impossible to see optically, violate the rules of optics but by gosh, there they are. Extraordinary flat field of view with low distortion and high light transmission.

At the end of WWII, General Patton loaded up convey of trucks and sent them into the Russian sector to load up the Zeiss factory and all the technicians + family they could get a hold of. This is why Zeiss is a western company. I have figgered that the Zeiss folks they missed in the round up ended up with Swarovski, which is why these Russian optics are so good. By the way, this was told to me by a Zeiss factory tech that came from Germany once a year to service my Zeiss gear under the service contract.

Within the price range that seems to be set points to something along the line of Bushnell or equivalent. I strongly advise a variable magnification. I was deer hunting once with a guy using a fixed 10X scope when a buck popped up about 40 yards from us. All he could see was deer fur so he shot and it turned up he was looking at the foot. Duh...

49 posted on 05/29/2011 4:30:19 PM PDT by Hootowl99
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To: contrarian
Hornady makes a nifty tool that lets you measure the exact length to make a case.

I have used one working up loads for a 45-70 ruger #1 it worked great

http://www.hornady.com/store/OAL-Gauges/

good luck

50 posted on 05/29/2011 4:30:40 PM PDT by mouser (Run the rats out its the only chance we have)
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