Skip to comments.Apple announces OS X Lion, iOS 5, iCloud
Posted on 06/06/2011 12:35:21 PM PDT by ctdonath2
Apple introduced OS X Lion, iOS 5, and iCloud today. Lots of articles at the link and elsewhere.
Thanks to the Japan tsunami of late, Apple has learned to not rely on one supplier in one country for parts. IIRC they’re now outsourcing duplicate production to Brazil.
The affects the “make it in the USA” mantra (which, yes, I’m sympathetic to): a company that big wants redundant assurance that nothing - including sociopolitical events - disrupts production. They’ll manufacture in several countries just to ensure at least one line stays running.
One relevant under-discussed factor: they can’t move the money here. Apple has been telling the feds that they want to move many billions of $$$ into the US from their foreign operations, but since the incoming tax rate is ~33% they just won’t (paying $1 to bring in $2 is stupid). Until either that rate is lowered, eliminated or amnestied, all that cash will stay outside the US, re-invested back into foreign operations.
So is it essentially identical (in this part) to the Google Music service. The first time you play a song it is streamed to your device and then recently played items are cached on the device along with any songs you select to keep on the device permanently?
Listen-while-download and streaming are two different things, although in some use cases this can effectively be a distinction without a difference. The Apple method downloads the music.
I think some arm twisting had to go into it too. Remember, Apple had to drag the labels screaming and kicking into the digital age even with the dollar signs right there to see. They’re so paranoid, so controlling, they can’t see profit right before their eyes. This is the same group that wanted mix tapes to be banned. I have bought probably a few hundred CDs and tapes based on mix tapes I’ve received. One tape alone was so good, it got me hooked on bands resulting in about a hundred purchases. But the MAFIAA is too blind to recognize free and effective promotion.
On the other hand, as you reminded with Amazon, it’s a good idea not to just blatantly piss them off and look greedy. Jobs has been good at putting a choke collar on the MAFIAA execs and leading them to profit. They may find it initially painful, but they sure like the results they get later.
I’m sure of the negotiations included the observation that the farther they can entice the non-compliant into the walled garden, the more likely compliance - and profit - will rise.
As others noted: Apple won because they figured out how to monetize music piracy. Charge a pittance for adherence, make pirates face the nice-for-a-price civilized world vs. gritty-and-annoying free-for-all, and watch them succumb. Kinda like Leftists making socialism so attractive, so easy to join, so hard to live without ... for just a small overhead cost.
Yes, it caches it locally. #104 was observing that you can start playing what is in the process of being cached (assuming it’s getting the data faster than you can listen to it).
Apple’s breakthrough is being able to glance at the music on your PC, recognize that you’ve ripped CDs which are available on iTunes, and instead of making you upload the CDs you bought (which is redundant, as they already have a copy) just go ahead and download/cache the iTunes copy onto your iPhone. Google & Amazon would require you upload the CDs first, which for some of us could take _weeks_.
You’re right, sorry. There is more about it in this morning’s WSJ.
I watched the presentation today on the Apple website for OS C Lion, iOS 5 and the iCloud.
I like OS C Lion and iOS 5 and think they are great. The iCloud and how it works is nice. However I still have two very big concerns.
1) How do you know that someone can not hack your information from that is stored in the iCloud?
2) What happens to the iCloud if a virus hits it? How would they prevent an attack.
Perhaps if the iCloud just remains with non import things like music, movies and photos then it will not matter too much. However, when it comes to banking and documents then I do have a security concern.
I have an iPhone 4 and love it. I also have a Dell Inspiron and love it. After watching this long video today I’m very tempted to pick up an iPad II. Nonetheless, I’ll probably hold off and pick up iPhone 5. My guess is that the iPad is probably 3 years from becoming Mainstream and PCs will be thing of the past. Just a guess?
Ok, correcting myself here. I was not able to see the Mrs.’ downloads - she had gotten the same apps (free) for my son’s iPod, which is linked to my Apple ID.
In theory", it makes it near-impossible for anyone without the supercomputer power and esoteric knowledge of some organization like the NSA.
For most people, (and most nations) your personal (encrypted) data are simply not worth the trouble and effort required to decode it/them...
Here is an article from a technical business newsletter that I received from IBM very recently:
"Cloud may seem new, but the fact is companies have been outsourcing services and technology for years. Providers already deliver hosted technology offerings that are located offsite with client access via the Internet."
There is much more to the article, but, suffice it to say that a company that has invest gigabucks on a new data center like the new Apple one in NC:
"The two circled dots on the roof are people..."
...is not going to make it easy for anyone to muck around with your (and their) data...
“So now we’ve gone from “what’s the big deal? All the cloud services already do this” to “a year from now ...” I wouldn’t hold my breath. Ten years on, we’re still waiting for the “iPod killer” (*cough* Zune *cough*).”
The fact that you just brought up that red herring is pretty much proof that you know it to be true.
“Because you use a circular definition by which anyone impressed with Apple’s services is an “Apple zombie.””
“Because I use a definition by which anyone who gushes over any and everything Apple and constantly overstates it importance.”
There, fixed it for ya.
I’m only using Samsung as an example. You can take any of the other manufacturers that are killing Apple in market share. It’s none of those other other phone manufacturer’s faults that Apple makes 1 phone a year.
“(to wit: what percentage of Android users wouldnt notice a difference if it was running anything else, or practically no serious OS at all?”
LOL, I’m POSITIVE that if a majority of phones were running iOS you wouldn’t be trying to downplay in the success and surge of Android.
Prediction: A year from now, Google’s market share will be higher than it is now and you’ll still be here touting the wonders of Apple wondering how the heck it is the appeal of Android continues to grow. I guess when you’re used to being told what you can do with your phone, you can’t possible fathom it.
I would worry about storing my own personal important stuff *out there* too. But to be honest, I think a lot of our personal info is kind of out there now, if not in *the cloud*. :( I don’t care about things like music (altho I think I would want a copy of at least what I had somewhere that I could have it so the files could be rebuilt just in case).
Well, most of my data is probably of no interest to anyone anyway. :)
And every single one of those manufacturers would kill to be making Apple’s profits. Market share means little when you’re making diddly-squat on each unit.
Now answer the question.
Well, the State of TX put SS #s of teachers out to public access for over a year and a number of businesses allowed email addresses associated with names to be hacked recently. I realize this is a little different, but frankly, our information is already out there and not completely safe anyway. Peoples stuff gets hacked today, right now.
“And as for sickness, which is more so: being happy that a shiny new leading-edge product has arrived, or passionately bashing it? So we like our toys; why do you feel compelled to insult them?”
LOL, most perceived Apple bashing by you and the other iFans is making light of the fact that everytime Apple releases something, you guys are right there without fail hyping it up. What Apple THRIVES on is hype and the drooling from its followers. Steve Jobs could take a crap in a box and iFans would be right there to pay $500 bucks for it and brag about how it’s the best crap ever.
Hate to tell you, but I’ve owned 2 different iPhones and still own several different models of iPods, so your labeling people as bashers is way off base.
(to wit: what percentage of Android users wouldnt notice a difference if it was running anything else, or practically no serious OS at all?
Why don’t you answer the question...I could just as easy turn this around on you and replace Android with iOS. Apparently you think it’s an accident that over 30% of smartphones out there are running Android? LOL, sure. It’s a riduculous question.
Yup, that’s why Samsung is 15th on this list. Seems I’ve got to scroll down quite a bit before I see Apple. What number are they?
I wonder how many Apple users realize that none of the core infrastructure at that datacenter is from Apple? It’s all from one or more of those “other” manufacturers who’s hardware they love to bash as cheap and unreliable compared to their Mac.
I’m getting a good laugh about all this. I’ve been enjoying Google Cloud-based music on my Droid X for a month now. Send it to the cloud and its now on all my computers and phone. Oh, and the ‘lie’ about no deals with music labels? Yeah, I have a ton of featured content in my cloud based on my music preference, in addition to the songs I uploaded (all ripped from CDs).
Hey, but did you hear about the “revolutionary” iCloud? Our lives will never be the same again. All of Apple’s competition might as well quit and kneel at the Alter of Jobs.
You’re obviously just a hater.
If you want simple, get an iPad/iPhone. If you want to truly customize your experience & feature set, get a droid-based one.
Two entirely different markets and mindsets.
Agree completely. But good luck explaining that to the iFans. They’ve got their heads so far up Jobs’ butt that they can’t hear anything and can’t understand what appeal there is in Android or anything else. Ah, the simple life...when Steve has you in his warm embrace and whispers sweet nothings in your ear, assuring you that you don’t need anything that’s not Apple, and anything done or spoken that isn’t Apple is blasphemy.
Another claim... late in the discussion from the Apple basher... of "I own the (insert Apple product here), so I can bash with impunity!" I simply DON'T believe you... especially with your pushing Android so vociferously. It just doesn't ring true! I've seen it too many times and too much of what you've said comes off as a typical non-Apple user.
Fine, don’t. I could really careless if you don’t believe me. What do you want me to do? Post a friggin’ picture of them for ya?
My PC just updated to iTunes 10.3 today. Now try to explain away how it is I have iTunes installed on a PC if I didn’t own any Apple products?
109 Apple Inc. Electronics $65.225 September 25, 2010 ((Market Cap) $189,802 (billion) - NASDAQ: AAPL Cupertino, California, United States Steve Jobs
Apple's ACTUAL market cap, as of 06/07/2011: $307.06 Billion source Yahoo Finance.
We were talking about CELL PHONE PROFITS, not profits of a conglomerate in total that manufactures everything including earthmoving equipment and sea going cargo ships! Samsung's phone division is barely making a profit in phones overall and just breaking even money in the smartphone market! Here is a chart showing the last quarter overall results of PROFITS (the large orange box is Apple's 57% share of the entire cell phone market profits!) with only Apple, RIM, and HTC accounting for 75% of the profits...
Actually, we were talking about other manufacturers being jealous of Apples profits. I’m thinking that Samsung’s CEO isn’t going to be looking to trade places with Jobs anytime soon.
And don’t be jealous that Samsung is a much broader company and can do more than just make iProducts. LOL
Speaking of phones though, Apple currently has no answer to the Galaxy S II. None. That phone can run circles around the IP4.
If you own Apple iPods, and iPhones, and so dislike Apple, my sincere recommendation for you is to immediately put them up for sale on eBay or Craig's List and buy an Android Phone and generic MP3 players and delete iTunes immediately from your computer. You'll be much happier.
I have a few gripes with Apple but still get plenty of use out of the Apple products I do own. My real disdain is for the iFans who constantly come off as paid salesmen anointed by Steve Jobs himself. So if the shoe fits...
I already own an Android phone. Made the switch after owning a 3G and 3GS. Still on contract, so won’t be getting a new one for a little while.
I don't think Apple is too worried.
Samsung announced last week they had sold one million through to carriersbut not sold to consumersin the first month it was on the market. Meanwhile, Apple sold 1.7 million white iPhone 4s to consumers in the first three days it was on the market!
It looks pretty similar. The differences are that 1) iTunes in the cloud doesn't do streaming. 2) Google doesn't have a music store or agreements with the record labels, so you have to upload your files in their entirety; Apple recognizes music in its catalog and just stores a reference to it, so you don't have to upload.
I don't have an Android device, so there would be no point in requesting an invite; my assessment is based on Engadget's review. Note that Google's service is in beta, and we don't know what the pricing will be when it goes fully live.
Really? WHat manufacturers would that be? The highest share of any Android phone maker is 12% for HTC, vs. 27% for Apple. Samsung rings in at 5%.
Considering performance, Samsung's Board of Directors might want to fire him and replace him with Steve Jobs... Looking at the results, Steve does a much better job based on the financials of the two firms:
Revenue US$ 143.125 billion (2010)
Net income US$ 15.425 billion (2010)
Profit US$ 12.683 billion (2010)
Total assets US$ 101.64 billion (2009)
Market Cap. US$119.7 billion
Revenue US$ 65.23 billion (FY 2010)
Net income US$ 18.39 billion (FY 2010)
Profit US$ 14.013 billion (FY 2010)
Total assets US$ 75.18 billion (FY 2010)
Market Cap. US$307 billion
Jim has since asked you to stop invoking him on your Apple threads. You might want to take his suggestion to heart as well.
Which one is killing Apple in smartphone sales?
Of course it's faster. The Samsung is only a few months old, while the iPhone 4 is just short of a year old. At various times some high-end phones will be faster than others due to the staggering of release cycles. Expect the iPhone 5's CPU to maybe be a touch slower (likely lower clock, but likely more memory bandwidth), but the GPU will be much more powerful than the Samsung's. And then the Nvidia Kal-El based phones will come out by early next year, leapfrogging Apple. And so on, and so on.
Well at least someone realizes that’s the case. It’s the same with O/S’s. Yet for some reason it doesn’t seem to matter that iOS and the iPhone had a headstart on Android and Android powered phones.
Maybe, as you said, if he was only having to market a handful of products, he’d could have afford to have a narrow focus like Jobs does. Instead, he’s busy running a company with 275k employees compared to one that has less than 50k.
So if I have an android phone, an ipad and a windows comp than amazon wins handsdown?
So if I have an android phone, an ipad and a windows comp than amazon wins handsdown?
“Really? WHat manufacturers would that be? The highest share of any Android phone maker is 12% for HTC, vs. 27% for Apple. Samsung rings in at 5%”
Ummm, we’ve been talking about this chart.
Do try and keep up.
Apple's iCloud will also sync music and photos to your Windows computer.
For hardware, the iPhone was definitely ahead of Android phones, but it was not the first candybar touch-screen phone. That distinction goes to the LG Prada. Also, this was Apple's first phone, vs. some well-established players in the phone industry. For example, some early HTC Android phones were closely related to their Windows Mobile phones, so their hardware development curve wasn't as steep.
I'm not too sure which OS was first. Android was started in 2003 with research into phone interfaces, purchased by Google and started on development to be a full phone OS in 2005, and released in 2008. It's a guess as to when iOS was started. Apple likely didn't start working directly on it until after the 2005 Motorola ROKR fiasco told them they needed to rethink how to do a phone. However, there is good evidence that Apple was researching touch tablets earlier than that, and much of that effort would have gone into the iPhone. End guess: They're probably about the same age.
One reason Apple was able to put out a high-quality OS in two years was that they pulled developers working on OS X to work on it, delaying Leopard by several months. They also held off a third-party developer API for another year. In contrast, Android 1.0 did have the Market when it came out, but overall the OS was pretty rough, even a year later. I had an Android 1.6 (released 2009) phone and played with a friend's original iPhone (updated to 2008). The iPhone easily won all around, except that my phone had 3G.
And now allow me to continue my gripe about support. His iPhone maintained software support until 2010. Three years after introduction of the model it could still officially get the latest OS. My phone got one update six months after it was released (to 2.1), then nothing. Rooted 2.2 and 2.3 will work on the phone, but they just don't feel like rolling out a supported release.
I agree with you that manufacturer’s O/S support has been lacking. Some are better than others and I think you'll see it only get better because now people have many different options for high end android phones that they'll move to the ones with the most support.
Manufacturer O/S support to me is really meaningless anyway. Even after my carrier updated to 2.2, I was still running a custom 2.2 ROM that was better than stock anyway. I've now been running 2.3 for a couple months and just like 2.2, I don't see the carrier's official 2.3 being anywhere near as good as the custom ROM I'm running now. Nearly all the carrier ROM’s are just the basic Android with their own UI and bloatware added to it anyway.
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