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Apple announces OS X Lion, iOS 5, iCloud
Engadget ^ | 6/6/11 | Engadget

Posted on 06/06/2011 12:35:21 PM PDT by ctdonath2

Apple introduced OS X Lion, iOS 5, and iCloud today. Lots of articles at the link and elsewhere.


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BTW: with iCloud, Apple moves the goalposts again. Cross-device multi-app data syncing made trivial, including music - and that much faster & pervasive than anything Amazon or Google can score. Google's apps are the closest competition. Microsoft is in the dust now.
1 posted on 06/06/2011 12:35:25 PM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: Swordmaker

Ping!


2 posted on 06/06/2011 12:35:50 PM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: ctdonath2

Have always loved Androids notification system and quite pleased Apple integrated their own look-a-like. Nothing wrong with taking good ideas from the scene and implementing it their own way. I suspect Google Music will have a bit of catchup to make up for with the iTunes Match.


3 posted on 06/06/2011 12:42:13 PM PDT by smith288 (Peace at all costs gives you tyranny free of charge)
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To: ctdonath2

No more tethering. iOS devices need not exist as a device tethered to a computer. The “iPad for Grandma” has arrived.


4 posted on 06/06/2011 12:42:35 PM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: smith288

Yup, notifications look viable now. I barely grasp the notion, having shut off almost all notifications from sheer annoyance.

And Match will be hard to match. Google and Amazon addressed the “put your tunes in the cloud” issue by ignoring publishers; Apple asked nicely and wrote some big checks, so now syncing music libraries is a matter of minutes, not weeks. Amazon will be hard-pressed to ask publishers “ok, can we make arrangements like Apple’s?” after blowing ‘em off before.


5 posted on 06/06/2011 12:45:38 PM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: smith288

Gotta love competition. Apple just made major steps to keep pace with android. W/O android, we would not be seeing several of these updates. The new free MobileMe features is a google equalizer too. we all will have better products with this growing rivalry.


6 posted on 06/06/2011 12:52:11 PM PDT by ilgipper
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To: ctdonath2

Stuff you buy from Amazon can be automatically added to Amazon’s Cloud and accessed from whatever device you want. What’s the difference?


7 posted on 06/06/2011 12:55:07 PM PDT by F1reEng1neRed
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To: F1reEng1neRed

The difference is iTunes Match will scan your ripped music, identify matches with iTunes Store offerings, and make those songs immediately (ok, give it a few minutes) available on all your devices - rather than having to upload all XXGB of stuff over a prolonged period.

I could have my 46GB collection synced with iCloud by tomorrow for $25/yr. Amazon will cost a lot more and take a lot longer.


8 posted on 06/06/2011 1:00:34 PM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: ctdonath2

I’ve got 20GB on Amazon and it didn’t cost me anything. So what if it takes a little bit to upload?

That’s what a 50/50 connection is for.

And considering iTunes can’t even find the album art for half my music for some stupid reason, good luck with it actually matching the entire song.


9 posted on 06/06/2011 1:08:34 PM PDT by F1reEng1neRed
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To: F1reEng1neRed

May the better service win.


10 posted on 06/06/2011 1:12:36 PM PDT by ctdonath2
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Photo Stream: take a picture, connect to WiFi, transfers new photos/videos to all your devices (include ATV2).


11 posted on 06/06/2011 1:14:40 PM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: F1reEng1neRed

I love how people boil down over 200 new features, 1500 new apis for IOS5 and pinpoint one or 2 features with “I can already do that with X, whats the big deal”

The big deal is the overall improved experience and very tightly integrated new features that blow anything else out of the water.

Anyone can argue over a single similar feature and whether it is truly new or unique.

Android is the only thing even remotely approaching IOS in ease of use, intuitiveness (is that a word?) and smooth integration of all features. It is my opinion that Android (and others) still have quite a ways to go to provide a similar experience.


12 posted on 06/06/2011 1:42:11 PM PDT by my3centseuro
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The big deal is the overall improved experience and very tightly integrated new features that blow anything else out of the water.

The "overall improved experience and very tightly integrated new features" are nothing less than a major move to shift the entirety of people's computing experiences out of their private computers and onto corporately controlled surveillance servers... er... I mean the "cloud."

Jobs is still Jobs - Mr. "be free from Big Brother" IS Big Brother, with a vengence - but a nice, comfy, easy, group-accepted vengence, of course.

People who even think about privacy (who aren't elite, that is), are SO behind the times. And The Group certainly does not approve.

13 posted on 06/06/2011 1:57:41 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on its own.)
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To: Talisker

Oh so sorry, “cloud” isn’t nearly soft enough for Steve’s purposes.

I meant “iCloud.”

LOL


14 posted on 06/06/2011 2:00:06 PM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on its own.)
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To: ctdonath2

All your personal information being out there means someone can get it. Like the government...

Moreover, what happens if a virus hits the cloud? It’s done...


15 posted on 06/06/2011 3:18:17 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: ctdonath2; ~Kim4VRWC's~; 1234; Abundy; Action-America; acoulterfan; AFreeBird; Airwinger; Aliska; ..
Since the AMs for some reason censored the WWDC keynote presentation listing you all have been waiting for that I usually post, detailing what is included in the updates, we are left with this announcement thread!— Apple Mac OSX Lion, iOS 5, and iCloud announcements—PING!


Apple WWDC announcements Ping!

Please, No Flame Wars!
Discuss technical issues, software, and hardware.
Don't attack people!
Don't respond to the Anti-Apple Thread Trolls!
PLEASE IGNORE THEM!!!

If you want on or off the Mac Ping List, Freepmail me.

16 posted on 06/06/2011 3:40:57 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: Sprite518

I’m not really clear about all of this. What is stored in “the cloud”?


17 posted on 06/06/2011 4:01:13 PM PDT by brytlea (Someone the other day said I'm not a nice person. How did they know?)
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To: Swordmaker

Do you have any information on how OSX Lion will handle Time Machine and Capsule in regards to “cloud” integration? Thanks.


18 posted on 06/06/2011 4:05:27 PM PDT by PA Engineer (SP/AW12: Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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Do you have any information on how OSX Lion will handle Time Machine and Capsule in regards to “cloud” integration? Thanks.

Sorry, no, I don't, not yet.

19 posted on 06/06/2011 4:14:12 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: brytlea

It’s like everyone’s hard drive is in the cloud”. So you go online to get your information.


20 posted on 06/06/2011 4:25:14 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: Swordmaker; ctdonath2; All
I followed the entire two-hour presentation live on line via the "MacWorld Live Update from WWDC" at http://www.macworld.com/article/160229/2011/06/live_update.html.

You'll need to scroll to the bottom of the comments and work upward to read the comments chronologically -- as published in real time. If you missed it in real time, it is still definitely worth the effort to read it!

For Swordmaker's thread that the prejudiced mod[s] trashed, he went to the trouble of laboriously -- by hand -- reversing the inverted time sequence of the feed for your reading convenience. I don't have that much energy -- especially since some [fill in your favorite pejorative here] might arbitrarily delete it, and waste all my work, too. :-(

So, thanks to "the ????? behind the curtain", you'll have to make do with the link, above...

21 posted on 06/06/2011 4:40:36 PM PDT by TXnMA (There is no Constitutional right to NOT be offended.)
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I’m not really clear about all of this. What is stored in “the cloud”?

iCloud is a syncing service. It makes sure that you have the same files, documents, music, and apps on all your devices: Macs, iPads, iPhones, iPod touches. For example, if you buy a song on your iPod, it gets downloaded automatically onto your iPhone, iPad, and iTunes on your Mac when you are online.

22 posted on 06/06/2011 4:48:13 PM PDT by stripes1776
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To: F1reEng1neRed
Stuff you buy from Amazon can be automatically added to Amazon’s Cloud and accessed from whatever device you want. What’s the difference?

For free, you get every song you've ever bought from iTunes. For $25/yr., you can have every song you ripped from disk, bought from Amazon or Wal-Mart, torrented, recorded yourself, or pirated downloadable from anywhere. That's downloadable, not streamable. If you have lower-quality songs that are in the iTunes catalog, you can download them in 256K AAC.

I can now have any song in my 40GB iTunes library on my 16GB iPhone in seconds from anywhere. It's freaking huge; aside from the convenience, as Mashable put it, Apple has found the first way to monetize pirated content.

23 posted on 06/06/2011 5:21:47 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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I’m not really clear about all of this. What is stored in “the cloud”?

Your data. You access it through your device.
24 posted on 06/06/2011 5:29:55 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: ReignOfError

>>>Apple has found the first way to monetize pirated content.

That is one heck of a way to look at it :)

My guess is the bulk of that $25/yr is going to go to the record labels and ASCAP, BMI, etc. for royalty fees. :)


25 posted on 06/06/2011 5:32:24 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (FR Class of 1998 | TV News is an oxymoron. | MSNBC = Moonbats Spouting Nothing But Crap.)
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To: ReignOfError

I’m really not sure what you’re getting at. I can get on my Amazon Cloud right now and either have my music streamed or I can download it to my phone if I want.

Didn’t cost anything.


26 posted on 06/06/2011 5:39:54 PM PDT by F1reEng1neRed
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To: ctdonath2

The entire concept of the cloud, in essence, puts your data in someone else’s hands. No thanks - I see it as an electronic safe deposit box, without the safety.


27 posted on 06/06/2011 5:43:24 PM PDT by meyer (We will not sit down and shut up.)
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To: meyer

cloud: noun, singular; a dynamic arrangement of multiple potential single points of failure with a user at one end, and his data at the other.


28 posted on 06/06/2011 5:51:26 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: stripes1776; aruanan; Sprite518

I’m a little confused. Are all 3 of you saying the same thing?


29 posted on 06/06/2011 5:54:25 PM PDT by brytlea (Someone the other day said I'm not a nice person. How did they know?)
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To: ctdonath2
I must admit, the iCloud is a great idea.

Yes indeed.


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30 posted on 06/06/2011 6:09:46 PM PDT by rdb3 (The mouth is the exhaust pipe of the heart.)
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To: Sprite518

If you think anything you have is private, you are living in an alternative universe. Something you have committed to memory only, is safe as long as they don’t decide they need you to tell it, otherwise good luck


31 posted on 06/06/2011 6:14:53 PM PDT by itsahoot (We make jokes, they make progress. Progressivism, Support Palin, or get used to it.)
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To: PA Engineer

The entire video is on Apple’s website, see for yourself. Worth the time lot of goodies for the developers.


32 posted on 06/06/2011 6:16:43 PM PDT by itsahoot (We make jokes, they make progress. Progressivism, Support Palin, or get used to it.)
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To: Keith in Iowa
My guess is the bulk of that $25/yr is going to go to the record labels and ASCAP, BMI, etc. for royalty fees. :)

58/12/30 to labels/publishers/Apple is the prevailing rumor -- with a $150M up-front advance.

33 posted on 06/06/2011 6:20:18 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: stripes1776
iCloud is a syncing service. It makes sure that you have the same files, documents, music, and apps on all your devices: Macs, iPads, iPhones, iPod touches. For example, if you buy a song on your iPod, it gets downloaded automatically onto your iPhone, iPad, and iTunes on your Mac when you are online.

Does it also mean that if any one of those devices gets lost/stolen and hacked, whoever has it has access to all of your data?

34 posted on 06/06/2011 6:23:26 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: F1reEng1neRed
I’m really not sure what you’re getting at. I can get on my Amazon Cloud right now and either have my music streamed or I can download it to my phone if I want.

What iTunes in the cloud does that Amazon doesn't:

In a nutshell, you can drag and drop some of your music library to the Amazon cloud a track at a time, or with one click have your entire library in the cloud automatically synched and completely legit. We'll see what changes Amazon and Google have to make to their cloud plans when the RIAA gets through with them.

35 posted on 06/06/2011 6:35:03 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: itsahoot
The entire video is on Apple’s website, see for yourself. Worth the time lot of goodies for the developers.

Tried. DSL issues tonight. Will check back.
36 posted on 06/06/2011 6:37:20 PM PDT by PA Engineer (SP/AW12: Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: tacticalogic
cloud: noun, singular; a dynamic arrangement of multiple potential single points of failure with a user at one end, and his data at the other.

I was thinking of it more in terms of the fact that over 1/2 the voters in this country were stupid and/or devious enough to put the communist Obama in the White House. The odds are high that many of them would have accesss to this cloud. I don't trust 'em as far as I can throw 'em. And as I age, I don't seem to be able to throw people nearly as far as I once could.

37 posted on 06/06/2011 6:41:24 PM PDT by meyer (We will not sit down and shut up.)
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To: tacticalogic
iCloud is a syncing service. It makes sure that you have the same files, documents, music, and apps on all your devices: Macs, iPads, iPhones, iPod touches. For example, if you buy a song on your iPod, it gets downloaded automatically onto your iPhone, iPad, and iTunes on your Mac when you are online.

Does it also mean that if any one of those devices gets lost/stolen and hacked, whoever has it has access to all of your data?

If by "hacked" you mean that someone figures out your passcode or gets around security, or you have it unlocked to begin with, then yes. Same as if your data is resident on the device. Anything that lets you get to your data could potentially let someone else get to your data.

If your device is lost or stolen, you can lock it down and wipe it remotely.

38 posted on 06/06/2011 6:41:48 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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Gotta love competition. Apple just made major steps to keep pace with android. W/O android, we would not be seeing several of these updates

Keep pace with android? Apple has been a pioneer in the whole "cloud" concept all along - long before Android even came on the scene. Unlike Android, though (and in typical Apple form), Apple waited until they had all the pieces in place to unveil the "whole package".

MobileMe (though as a paid service) has had a chunk of these "new" features for some time. Now, with the unveiling of the final "Lion", iOS 5, and the official "release" of iCloud -, as you put it - "competition".

39 posted on 06/06/2011 7:03:41 PM PDT by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: ReignOfError

-•Upgrades all your songs to 256Kb, if they’re in the iTunes catalog (18 million songs)

=Bandwidth hog if streaming. No reason for it.

-•Keeps libraries synched among 10 devices (Mac, Windows PC, iPod Touch, iPhone, iPad)

One of the worst parts about Apple products/iTunes gets even worse. Yeah for MORE synching.

-•Holds 25,000 songs, not counting iTunes purchases. Amazon holds 5GB — less than I can keep on the phone, hence not terribly useful to me. An equivalent number of tracks, 100GB, costs $100/yr. from Amazon.

Ummm, I’ve got 20GB w/Amazon and it didn’t cost me a dime and you’re Amazon purchases don’t count against the cap. And unless you work around Wifi 24/7 (and most people don’t)having all that storage capacity is pointless if you can only access a small bit at a time. (You aren’t going to be streaming many 256kb songs over your 3G iPhone with a whole lot of success).

Never fails, every single move Apple makes gets to made out to be some earth-shattering development.

“We’ll see what changes Amazon and Google have to make to their cloud plans when the RIAA gets through with them.”

LOL, if the RIAA what’s to alienate the #1 market of smartphones there is, they do so at their own peril.


40 posted on 06/06/2011 7:15:02 PM PDT by F1reEng1neRed
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To: brytlea

Basically, the concept of “the cloud” is a centralized data-storage for documents/databases/media/etc. on the ‘net.

Amazon has been using this concept for some time for Kindle content - with your purchased books being available to all of your internet-enabled devices (not just the Kindle device). They somewhat recently added amazon-purchased music to their version of “cloud” storage.

The general idea is that you can have your music library, video library, ebooks, and whatever documents you want available to you wherever you roam, so long as you have internet access. The logical progression is to have everything that we traditionally have to keep up with (storage) “safely stored” on a server somewhere.

From a convenience viewpoint, this is the coolest, most convenient development in computing in a very long time...

BUT - as others have pointed out - there are concerns with security - both from the ever-present danger of both “private” hackers and data thieves, to government-sponsored cyber-terrorism, as well as the obvious worry about OUR OWN government! Privacy... what privacy?


41 posted on 06/06/2011 7:21:26 PM PDT by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: TXnMA
I don't have that much energy -- especially since some [fill in your favorite pejorative here] might arbitrarily delete it, and waste all my work, too. :-(

That's why you do it as a document, then copy/paste it into a new post. That way, if [your favorite pejorative] jacks with the post... you can easily copy/paste a new one!

42 posted on 06/06/2011 7:24:09 PM PDT by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: TheBattman

So, you would only keep what you want to keep on there. My husband has a kindle, in fact, so I guess his kindle stuff is on a cloud somewhere. Does something like Carbonite work like that?
I have a wireless hard drive back up in my house, which I guess is like a little cloud in my house. I wouldn’t trust my own stuff to be flying around in the cyberverse out there, but then, I can’t get to it when I’m not here. If something is REALLY important to me, I wouldn’t just have one copy and it wouldn’t be *out there*.


43 posted on 06/06/2011 7:29:09 PM PDT by brytlea (Someone the other day said I'm not a nice person. How did they know?)
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To: brytlea

I haven’t investigated Carbonite all that in-depth, but that is a rather formalized, and controlled version of the cloud concept.


44 posted on 06/06/2011 7:32:44 PM PDT by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: TheBattman

OK, well thank you for the info, I think I sort of understand what it means.


45 posted on 06/06/2011 7:44:21 PM PDT by brytlea (Someone the other day said I'm not a nice person. How did they know?)
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To: ctdonath2

If Apple really wanted to do something innovative and constructive.

They would build their computers in America.

Not China.

Seems they charge enough to cover the wage differential. Just saying...


46 posted on 06/06/2011 7:46:20 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (BUY AMERICAN. The job you save will be your son's, or your daughter's)
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>>>-•Upgrades all your songs to 256Kb, if they’re in the iTunes catalog (18 million songs)

=Bandwidth hog if streaming. No reason for it.

Nah. No reason at all. Crappy sound quality was good enough for my Diamond Rio in 1996.

It's not streaming. It's every song you own, downloadable to any Apple device or Windows PC you have.

>>>-•Keeps libraries synched among 10 devices (Mac, Windows PC, iPod Touch, iPhone, iPad)

One of the worst parts about Apple products/iTunes gets even worse. Yeah for MORE synching.

Yeah, I like having different parts of my music library in as many different places as possible. I hate it when I think of a song I haven't heard of in a while, and it's right there. I'd much rather check my Amazon Cloud drive, my Dropbox, my desktop and my laptop.

Ummm, I’ve got 20GB w/Amazon and it didn’t cost me a dime and you’re Amazon purchases don’t count against the cap.

Cool. You've got room for 1/5 as many tracks as iCloud, and once the introductory deal expires, you'll get to pay $20 for that space next year.

And unless you work around Wifi 24/7 (and most people don’t)having all that storage capacity is pointless if you can only access a small bit at a time. (You aren’t going to be streaming many 256kb songs over your 3G iPhone with a whole lot of success).

If I want to stream music, I'll fire up Pandora. I don't get the appeal of burning bandwidth every single time I want to listen to a song that I've already paid for.

Never fails, every single move Apple makes gets to made out to be some earth-shattering development.

Never fails, Apple-bashers don't get (or pretend not to get) that Apple has done something really new. The iPod? "No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame."

“We’ll see what changes Amazon and Google have to make to their cloud plans when the RIAA gets through with them.”

LOL, if the RIAA what’s to alienate the #1 market of smartphones there is, they do so at their own peril.

The RIAA isn't in business to be liked. If Amazon and Google (and I'm not clear on which of those constitutes "the #1 market of smartphones there is") are distributing music without paying royalties, they aren't going to play nice.

47 posted on 06/06/2011 7:52:10 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: ilgipper
The new free MobileMe features is a google equalizer too. we all will have better products with this growing rivalry.

Yes. Isn't competition grand?


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48 posted on 06/06/2011 7:59:54 PM PDT by rdb3 (The mouth is the exhaust pipe of the heart.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
They would build their computers in America.

They use too...

49 posted on 06/06/2011 8:08:19 PM PDT by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: F1reEng1neRed

Google is streaming my 320kb files just fine. I guess AT&T’s network might cause problems.


50 posted on 06/06/2011 8:09:56 PM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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