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Apple announces OS X Lion, iOS 5, iCloud
Engadget ^ | 6/6/11 | Engadget

Posted on 06/06/2011 12:35:21 PM PDT by ctdonath2

Apple introduced OS X Lion, iOS 5, and iCloud today. Lots of articles at the link and elsewhere.


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To: Swordmaker
Interesting facts about Lion:
Remember when somebody was selling Hackintoshes, and claiming to own OS X because he paid $30 for a Snow Leopard disk? They will have a problem making that argument with Lion!

51 posted on 06/06/2011 8:38:39 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (DRAFT PALIN)
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To: Swordmaker
Also interesting that iOS5 will make its devices independent of Macs/PCs. People who don't have a laptop or a stationary PC at all will be able to get an iPad (or even an iPhone) and use it independently as their sole computer.

52 posted on 06/06/2011 8:44:44 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (DRAFT PALIN)
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To: ReignOfError

“>>>-•Keeps libraries synched among 10 devices (Mac, Windows PC, iPod Touch, iPhone, iPad) “

LOL, iTunes struggles enough even trying to find albums artwork for the stuff I already have. Now I’m supposed to expect them to “upgrade” all these songs that it can’t seem to identify to 256kb? Sure.

“Cool. You’ve got room for 1/5 as many tracks as iCloud, and once the introductory deal expires, you’ll get to pay $20 for that space next year.”

Yeah, we’ll see, won’t we? And anyone that can’t seem to fit enough music in 20GB, which doesn’t even count stuff from Amazon, has serious issues. And no worries, I’m sure Google will be close by with their own, considering Google has already had seamless syncing between phone and PC’s for quite sometime now. It’s not a big feat to add music to the list.

“Never fails, Apple-bashers don’t get (or pretend not to get) that Apple has done something really new.”

Nope, sorry...maybe if iFans weren’t making utter fools of themselves every time Apple releases some incremental update to something as being godlike, you wouldn’t get the reaction that you get. I swear, IFans are on the same level as Obama worshipers sometimes.

“that Apple has done something really new” Statements like that are exactly what I’m talking about. Storing, streaming, and being able to download music from a cloud drive is NOT a new idea, but listening you iFans, you would think that a life-changing event just occurred.

“The RIAA isn’t in business to be liked. If Amazon and Google (and I’m not clear on which of those constitutes “the #1 market of smartphones there is”) are distributing music without paying royalties, they aren’t going to play nice.”

That would be Google, which now has 36.4% (and growing) of smartphones running its O/S. And don’t you worry about Google...I’m sure they can afford it.

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53 posted on 06/06/2011 8:46:36 PM PDT by F1reEng1neRed
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To: Mr. Blonde

That’s what I’m saying. Unless your on Wifi, a 3G connection is going to have a hard time streaming that bitrate.


54 posted on 06/06/2011 8:53:59 PM PDT by F1reEng1neRed
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To: F1reEng1neRed
That’s what I’m saying. Unless your on Wifi, a 3G connection is going to have a hard time streaming that bitrate.

Which would be relevant if iCloud did streaming. And 256K isn't at all unreasonable to expect from a 3G connection; on AT&T, I routinely pull 4Mbit, and rarely less than 2.

55 posted on 06/06/2011 9:08:12 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: F1reEng1neRed
That would be Google, which now has 36.4% (and growing) of smartphones running its O/S. And don’t you worry about Google...I’m sure they can afford it.

Google's problem is not a lack of cash, it's a lack of trust, and the fact that the labels and publishers won't sign any agreements with them to ALLOW them to stream content to Android devices. That's a big problem... And Amazon has a similar problem. Apple on the other hand has just inked contracts with all of the big labels and publishers outlining how they will be paid and protected. Apple established trust through years of keeping agreements and DRM in iTunes.

56 posted on 06/06/2011 9:08:22 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: Swordmaker

“Google’s problem is not a lack of cash, it’s a lack of trust, and the fact that the labels and publishers won’t sign any agreements with them to ALLOW them to stream content to Android devices. That’s a big problem... And Amazon has a similar problem. Apple on the other hand has just inked contracts with all of the big labels and publishers outlining how they will be paid and protected. Apple established trust through years of keeping agreements and DRM in iTunes.”

You REALLY think they aren’t going to get it done with Google in some way shape or form and miss out on that cash cow?


57 posted on 06/06/2011 9:17:15 PM PDT by F1reEng1neRed
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To: Swordmaker

Not even Apple insiders including Steve Jobs think that. You, of the Apple PR department, paid or not (and we all hope you get some cold cash for it, otherwise why do it), like the Microsoft promoter fanatic who preceded you on this forum, invented this ridiculous fan song that you sing every time something related and positive to Apple happens. It is not credible, not persuasive, and turning off potential customers, sanely skeptical of such fanaticism.

I say it all as a longtime Apple investor, who, despite your recent assertion to deny it without any proof whatsoever, knows well more than one Apple insider, for all it serves me, and truthfully it is not much.

Chill out, Apple is good without buttboys promoting it.


58 posted on 06/06/2011 9:28:50 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: F1reEng1neRed
That's an interesting chart, F1re, it has some real problems between it's first and second sections that other analysts have questioned.

All of the Android growth shown in the first section seems to be at the expense of losses to RIM and Microsoft phones... But the second section shows that the ONLY maker of phones with significant market growth in the same period was APPLE(!) . . . and the big three leading Android phone makers, Samsung, LG, and Motorola showed significant market loss or, in the case of LG, only anemic growth! There's a data disconnect occurring! So what and where are the Android phones that are causing that amazing growth during that period??? What unknown maker builds them? The only analisys that makes sense is that these companies are canabalizing their own markets of feature phones and that they are counting lesser feature phones that run Android. Later statistics show Android is stalling now that the iPhone4 is available in more markets. In fact the iPhone 4 and iPhone 3Gs are the #1 and #2 best selling handsets in the world, not any of the hundreds of the Android models.

59 posted on 06/06/2011 9:39:23 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: F1reEng1neRed
And anyone that can’t seem to fit enough music in 20GB, which doesn’t even count stuff from Amazon, has serious issues.

My iTunes library (music alone) is 31GB. Just the jazz is 5GB, and Louis Armstrong and Billie Holiday add up to a gig.

Storing, streaming, and being able to download music from a cloud drive is NOT a new idea, but listening you iFans, you would think that a life-changing event just occurred.

How many times do I have to explain that iCloud is not streaming? Give me a ballpark figure here.

This is the crux of the Apple-bashing, reducing Apple's products to the sum of their parts. The iPod is just an expensive walkman. The iPhone is just a pretty Treo.

iCloud isn't just "downloading from a cloud drive." It's every song I own anywhere I am. Up to about 100GB of them, completely legit. Most of them get a bump in quality without my having to rip dozens if not hundreds of CDs again. For two bucks a month.

60 posted on 06/06/2011 9:39:32 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: Revolting cat!
Not even Apple insiders including Steve Jobs think that. You, of the Apple PR department, paid or not (and we all hope you get some cold cash for it, otherwise why do it), like the Microsoft promoter fanatic who preceded you on this forum, invented this ridiculous fan song that you sing every time something related and positive to Apple happens. It is not credible, not persuasive, and turning off potential customers, sanely skeptical of such fanaticism.

Look, cat, this has been discussed in the press for the last several months! I am not making this up, no matter how much you want to claim that I am! The press has reported the refusal of the labels to sign with Google and Amazon. This is a fact! Both have offered money incentives to the Labels and publishers to sign and they have refused. Insiders have cited a lack of trust. Apple HAS succeeded in getting the labels to sign in exchange for a reported $150 million. Perhaps they will now sign with the others, perhaps not, now that Apple has blazed the trail, once again. You are the one ignoring the news that has been reported. . . But as of now, neither Google nor Amazon has contracts that allow them to do what Apple will be doing, no matter how much you wish they did.

61 posted on 06/06/2011 9:52:07 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: Swordmaker

I’m not here to defend ComScore or their methodology, but they are widely accepted as the industry standard. I’m thinking that if the numbers were a more rosy for Apple you wouldn’t be questioning it as much.

“Later statistics show Android is stalling now that the iPhone4 is available in more markets.” In fact the iPhone 4 and iPhone 3Gs are the #1 and #2 best selling handsets in the world, not any of the hundreds of the Android models.”

LOL at that. So Android has “stalled” only picking up 5.2% market share. Apple gained 1.3%, so what’s that? I’m sure any phone maker would be delighted to pickup 5% market share from 1 quarter to the next. That reminds me of the games Democrats play when Republicans propose slowing the growth in program “X” by “X” percent...only giving a 2% increase instead of a 5% increase. The program in still growing, yet the Democrats call that a “cut”. Same tortured logic.

You can question the data all you want, but I’ve seen nothing to indicate a “stall” in android, especially with all the new android handsets being released over the summer. And considering from a hardware standpoint that the iPhone is now outmatched by several Android handsets, Apple has some work to do. Samsung can’t churn out phones like the Galaxy S II fast enough.

“In fact the iPhone 4 and iPhone 3Gs are the #1 and #2 best selling handsets in the world, not any of the hundreds of the Android models.”

So what? Samsung has 3 times the market share. There are 3 times as many people using Samsung phones than Apple, so if the fact the iPhone 4 and 3GS sell great makes iFans feel batter, then so be it.


62 posted on 06/06/2011 11:13:59 PM PDT by F1reEng1neRed
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To: ReignOfError

And in a year from now, all these “cloud” services will all be doing the same thing in one form or another.

As I said, the “cloud” idea is nothing new. The only “twist” is you can have your entire 100GB (or whatever it is) available to you, which I’m sure is probably nowhere near what the average user has.

Why is it that when Apple comes out with this “revolutionary” stuff, the only people calling it that were already Apple zombies to begin with? Everyone else just sits back and laughs at you guys while saying “Yeah, that’s nice, but I don’t see what all the fuss is about”.

Sounds like a sickness.


63 posted on 06/06/2011 11:27:50 PM PDT by F1reEng1neRed
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To: F1reEng1neRed; ReignOfError
Why is it that when Apple comes out with this “revolutionary” stuff, the only people calling it that were already Apple zombies to begin with? Everyone else just sits back and laughs at you guys while saying “Yeah, that’s nice, but I don’t see what all the fuss is about”.

Please show us WHO is providing this FREE easy-to-use integrated, transparent service across multiple devices to their customers already. And who is offering a subscription music system for the equivalent of $2 a month? Please, tell us. Once you've done that, then you can continue being snarky and insultingly calling people names like "Apple zombies" in violation of Jim Robinson's rules against attempting to instigate flame wars on FreeRepublic.

64 posted on 06/07/2011 3:06:23 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: F1reEng1neRed
LOL at that. So Android has “stalled” only picking up 5.2% market share. Apple gained 1.3%, so what’s that? I’m sure any phone maker would be delighted to pickup 5% market share from 1 quarter to the next. That reminds me of the games Democrats play when Republicans propose slowing the growth in program “X” by “X” percent...only giving a 2% increase instead of a 5% increase. The program in still growing, yet the Democrats call that a “cut”. Same tortured logic.

No, F1re, that's not what I said. I said there's something wrong with the chart which shows the major Android makers LOSING overall market share in the total cell phone market while APPLE is the ONLY maker who GAINED significant marketshare in the overall cell phone market during that quarter! This means they are cannibalizing their own sales, and LOSING overal market share! Look at the big picture, not the niche.

The stall in Android sales came at the END of the quarter when the iPhone4 became available on Verizon and was also made available in 25 other markets throughout the world including China and India, and the release of the white iPhone4. Most people don't buy phones on specs... They buy phones on the ecosystem they tie into, and the advertising they see.

65 posted on 06/07/2011 3:21:08 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: F1reEng1neRed
LOL at that. So Android has “stalled” only picking up 5.2% market share. Apple gained 1.3%, so what’s that? I’m sure any phone maker would be delighted to pickup 5% market share from 1 quarter to the next. That reminds me of the games Democrats play when Republicans propose slowing the growth in program “X” by “X” percent...only giving a 2% increase instead of a 5% increase. The program in still growing, yet the Democrats call that a “cut”. Same tortured logic.

No, F1re, that's not what I said. I said there's something wrong with the chart which shows the major Android makers LOSING overall market share in the total cell phone market while APPLE is the ONLY maker who GAINED significant marketshare in the overall cell phone market during that quarter! This means they are cannibalizing their own sales, and LOSING overal market share! Look at the big picture, not the niche.

The stall in Android sales came at the END of the quarter when the iPhone4 became available on Verizon and was also made available in 25 other markets throughout the world including China and India, and the release of the white iPhone4. Most people don't buy phones on specs... They buy phones on the ecosystem they tie into, and the advertising they see.

66 posted on 06/07/2011 3:21:12 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: F1reEng1neRed

Yeah, most Android folks are laughing at the use of ‘revolutionary’. But, the Apple fanboys will believe it.


67 posted on 06/07/2011 3:28:33 AM PDT by rintense (The GOP elite & friends can pound sand.)
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To: brytlea; stripes1776; Sprite518
stripes1776 is talking about a particular commercial application of the cloud concept.

Sprite518 is talking about the dangers of putting all your data eggs in one offsite basket.

I'm telling you what the basic idea of cloud-based computing is.
68 posted on 06/07/2011 5:01:58 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: rintense
Yeah, most Android folks are laughing at the use of ‘revolutionary’. But, the Apple fanboys will believe it.

Meh. "Revolutionary" is marketing-speak. All manufacturers call every new thing they do "revolutionary", but few truly are.

The big difference between Apple and the other players isn't technology, it's integration. Apple treats technology as a tool but the product is the overall end user experience. Most other makers treat technology as the end product in and of itself.

69 posted on 06/07/2011 5:30:15 AM PDT by kevkrom (Palin's detractors now resort to "nobody believes she can win because nobody believes she can win")
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To: TheBattman; Swordmaker; Jim Robinson
"That's why you do it as a document, then copy/paste it into a new post. That way, if [your favorite pejorative] jacks with the post... you can easily copy/paste a new one!"

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You obviously don't understand the situation. The posts in the running narrative read from bottom to top of the document. (There must be well over 300 entries.) Swordmaker laboriously copied and pasted the entries in reverse order -- so that the document he pasted into FR read from Top to Bottom.

Swordmaker, thank you for all your hard work on our behalf!

Then, some irrational and dictatorial Admin Mod wasted all of Swordmaker's hard work -- by arbitrarily deleting his innocuous and newsworthy thread.

I saw no benefit in even pasting the document here without modification, since the same material (time-reversed) had already been arbitrarily deleted earlier. IOW, I refused to give some immature, Apple-hating [your favorite pejorative] the warped pleasure of doing the same to me.

So, I just posted the link. I don't play childish games.

~~~~~~~~~~

TXnMA -- 10 year+ FReeper

70 posted on 06/07/2011 5:41:36 AM PDT by TXnMA (There is no Constitutional right to NOT be offended.)
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To: brytlea; Swordmaker; All
If the original hadn't been trashed, you would have read:

11:14 Dan Moren: And everything is encrypted.


71 posted on 06/07/2011 5:57:24 AM PDT by TXnMA (There is no Constitutional right to NOT be offended.)
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To: ReignOfError

So what does iCloud do exactly? What happens if you are somewhere without service, are all of your songs still available to you?


72 posted on 06/07/2011 6:16:52 AM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: Mr. Blonde

Your stuff is stored locally. The cloud acts (sort of) more as a distribution buffer, ensuring that all your devices have copies of all your files. (Granted you may not fit all files on all devices; they’ll do what they can.)

The emphasis is on _downloading_, not _streaming_. If you are somewhere without service, you have all the songs that were synced just before you lost service.


73 posted on 06/07/2011 6:22:50 AM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: F1reEng1neRed
I’ve got 20GB on Amazon and it didn’t cost me anything. So what if it takes a little bit to upload?

Even if your collection is low-quality 128 kb MP3 taken from a commercial CD, the iTunes-matched songs will be available back to you in 256 kb AAC from the master. No DRM either. Apple doesn't mind because it doesn't cost them anything in storage. Ten million users just point to the same song in iTunes, while Google will have to store ten million copies of that song.

The amazing thing here is the labels making the assumption that you paid for the music on your computer, while they usually operate on the assumption that you pirated everything. Apple paid some big $$$ for this to happen.

74 posted on 06/07/2011 6:26:16 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: stripes1776

I use Dropbox, and I have all of my files synced on not just my Apple products, but also on my Windows boxes as well.


75 posted on 06/07/2011 6:32:09 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: F1reEng1neRed

You don’t have much music, do you?
My CD collection is not unusually large for 30 years accumulation - and takes up some 46GB averaging ~128kbps bit rates. Most got correct album art & track list info from iTunes/Gracenote. I plan to re-rip them all to lossless, which will increase total size several times.

Thanks to Apple writing some large checks, I don’t have to upload dozens of gigabytes of audio, I just shell out $25/yr (meh) and it will match & sync most of that in minutes WITHOUT having to upload or occupy significant storage. So ... I buy a CD (as I prefer to), pop it in the PC, and wander off - without any further effort than insertion, the music appears on my iPad.

Thanks to Amazon and Google touting “upload your music!” _without_ writing some big checks to music publishers, that “match and sync” feature will not be available except for what you buy from them.

Maybe not life-changing (or maybe it is; iPad made a notable shift in mine), but it’s sure a far more advanced implementation of “cloud” technology than anyone else. You deride it as “a cloud drive is not a new idea” - you miss the point: it’s not implemented as a “drive”, because the paradigm of “drive” has been eliminated and everything just seems “right there”. This IS a big deal, even if you insist it isn’t. Apple got their $0.3T market cap precisely because of attention to such nuances.

How well Google will do remains to be seen. Android is fighting proliferation of versions and a dearth of paid apps. They might pull it together, or not. Apple has. Google may have an OS running on 34% of smartphones, but what percentage of that matters? (to wit: what percentage of Android users wouldn’t notice a difference if it was running anything else, or practically no serious OS at all?)


76 posted on 06/07/2011 6:37:42 AM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: F1reEng1neRed
You REALLY think they aren’t going to get it done with Google in some way shape or form and miss out on that cash cow?

Someday, maybe. After they've written some VERY big checks to backtrack on the "we don't need your approval" attitude, and that AFTER they sort out the serious security problems. Apple said "how much do you want", while Google said "**** you"; there are consequences to attitude.

Thing is, they haven't done it, and they're not doing it now.
And thing is, Apple just did it, and it's already rolling out to devices. Some new icons just appeared on my iPad, so the iCloud music service is already coming on-line and I didn't have to do anything. Google has a lot of catching up to do.

Never mind Microsoft with Ballmer's stance of "stand back and watch everyone else take over the new frontier."

77 posted on 06/07/2011 6:45:46 AM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: ReignOfError; F1reEng1neRed

Most of my music is ripped 160 kb AAC because I wanted a lot of songs to fit on my 4 GB iPod Nano. It would be nice to get the quality upgrade. If you think in terms of payoff, $25 a year will take a very long time to eat into the time investment of re-ripping over a thousand CDs.


78 posted on 06/07/2011 6:49:14 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: dfwgator
I use Dropbox, and I have all of my files synced on not just my Apple products, but also on my Windows boxes as well.

Note that iCloud is supposed to also work on Windows Vista and Windows 7.

That said, I'm going to keep some files in Dropbox even after moving most to iCloud, because I want to access those specific documents (mostly OpenOffice stuff) from a Linux (Fedora Core 14) box as well.

79 posted on 06/07/2011 6:55:25 AM PDT by kevkrom (Palin's detractors now resort to "nobody believes she can win because nobody believes she can win")
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To: F1reEng1neRed

Your post is self-contradictory, downplaying Apple’s new offerings as old news, yet observing that everyone else will catch up in about a year. You deride the cloud as nothing new (ok, so it isn’t), and downplay the “twist” which changes the game and which others won’t catch up to for months if not years (Android isn’t trusted, Amazon told publishers to p!$$ off).

Buying a CD a month is hardly extravagant. Over 30 years, compressed to 256kbps, that’s around 265GB easy.

And as for sickness, which is more so: being happy that a shiny new leading-edge product has arrived, or passionately bashing it? So we like our toys; why do you feel compelled to insult them?


80 posted on 06/07/2011 6:57:28 AM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: F1reEng1neRed
So what? Samsung has 3 times the market share. There are 3 times as many people using Samsung phones than Apple

The manufacturer list includes all phones, from throwaways to top-end. The Samsung number is padded by the fact they sell a lot of dumb phones, for which there is almost no profit margin. Samsung/Android has about 5%. OTOH, HTC is doing very well.

81 posted on 06/07/2011 6:57:38 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

If not for the oppressive socialistic regulations, they could.


82 posted on 06/07/2011 7:05:00 AM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: antiRepublicrat

IIRC, Apple wrote checks totaling $150M last week to make this happen.

This, vs. Amazon blindsiding the publishers. Sometimes what’s legal is still a bad move.


83 posted on 06/07/2011 7:08:40 AM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: F1reEng1neRed
And in a year from now, all these “cloud” services will all be doing the same thing in one form or another.

So now we've gone from "what's the big deal? All the cloud services already do this" to "a year from now ..." I wouldn't hold my breath. Ten years on, we're still waiting for the "iPod killer" (*cough* Zune *cough*).

As I said, the “cloud” idea is nothing new. The only “twist” is you can have your entire 100GB (or whatever it is) available to you, which I’m sure is probably nowhere near what the average user has.

Jobs said at the keynote that this isn't for most users. Heaven forfend, a company should offer a service for someone other than the average user.

Why is it that when Apple comes out with this “revolutionary” stuff, the only people calling it that were already Apple zombies to begin with?

Because you use a circular definition by which anyone impressed with Apple's services is an "Apple zombie."

84 posted on 06/07/2011 7:10:27 AM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: Mr. Blonde
So what does iCloud do exactly? What happens if you are somewhere without service, are all of your songs still available to you?

iCloud (more precisely, the iTunes in the Cloud feature) hosts your iTunes library. Anywhere you have service, you can download songs to your iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad. When you don't have a signal, you can still listen to whatever you've previously downloaded.

The rest of iCloud is basically an upgrade of the services offered in MobileMe, but for free. It synchs contacts, calendars, documents, apps and settings remotely. It also supports backups and software updates remotely, so that now it's feasible to have, say, an iPad for someone who doesn't have access to a computer.

85 posted on 06/07/2011 7:17:25 AM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: F1reEng1neRed

Oops, forgot to divide by 8 (bits vs. bytes).

That’s 33GB of content at 256kbps compressing a modest collection of 12 CDs per year for 30 years. A common collection will be several times larger.


86 posted on 06/07/2011 7:30:30 AM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: ctdonath2

Eventually American public opinion will turn strongly against companies which eliminate US jobs.

(and Republicans, if they don’t get as far away from them as possible) The time to start making plans is now - not once US public opinion start going south on the ‘free traders’ in a big way.

Around that time, China will begin to become more aggressive with those same companies, to attempt to leverage them against our own country, to influence trade policy.

The end will be a sudden collapse of any “American” companies which have not before then, found ways to wind down their operations there - suddenly those will no longer be their operations at all - they will belong to the Chinese government. They will be expropriated and collapse catastrophically as independent companies.

It would behoove “American” companies to start bringing back jobs now, before that happens.

I am not optimistic seeing the blind greed which drives most globalists, that they’re nearly sensible (or patriotic) enough to do that. No tears will be shed by this poster when they collapse.

They made their bed. They continue to sleep in it.

Screw ‘em.


87 posted on 06/07/2011 7:36:48 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (BUY AMERICAN. The job you save will be your son's, or your daughter's)
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To: Swordmaker
My big question is how all of this iCloud stuff is going to work with multiple users.

For example, on my home iMac, there are three user accounts (my own, my wife's, and our eldest son's) and the computer is authorized with two Apple IDs (my own and my wife's). We can currently share apps, manually, by copying the app file to shared disk and double-clicking them to add to iTunes. All three of us have an iOS device (iPhone 3GS for me and the Mrs., iPod Touch 3G for the eldest) synced to that machine.

Now, with the App Store update as of yesterday, it does appear that I can see my wife's purchases as well as my own, and I was able to copy one of those apps directly to my iPhone, and what's more, using my Apple ID, not hers, to authorize the download.

So it seems that the iCloud might be tied to all devices that sync with each other, not by user or Apple ID.

I note that OS X Lion also has a low-power (CPU/disk only, no monitor or USB) wake on LAN feature for file transfers, etc. -- in conjunction with the iOS wireless sync, I'm curious to see how the sync will work given that each user logs into iTunes separately via their computer account. (Also, in theory, shouldn't the low-power access work in conjunction with being an iTunes client that Apple TV requires to play files from a network disk?)

88 posted on 06/07/2011 7:43:10 AM PDT by kevkrom (Palin's detractors now resort to "nobody believes she can win because nobody believes she can win")
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To: ctdonath2
That’s 33GB of content at 256kbps compressing a modest collection of 12 CDs per year for 30 years. A common collection will be several times larger.

Note that a single audiobook can run 10-20 CDs in length, too. With only a small collection of audiobooks, I have something like 200 CDs worth of books in my library.

89 posted on 06/07/2011 7:46:34 AM PDT by kevkrom (Palin's detractors now resort to "nobody believes she can win because nobody believes she can win")
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

You miss the point.

They CAN’T manufacture here, because our federal polypragmonocracy makes such high-end manufacturing infeasible.

Sure, it behooves companies to do the work here - IF it wasn’t somewhere between illegal and cost-prohibitive due to regulations.


90 posted on 06/07/2011 7:47:12 AM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: ctdonath2

Of course they can manufacture here.

That’s profoundly silly to claim. Stroke of the pen, and Apple could bring back all manufacturing to America.

Would win them millions of customers hearts and loyalty. And it’s not like their product pricing will not support US manufacturing costs - Apples are pretty expensive actually.

They decided not to manufacture here - and some day they will reap the whirlwind.

Perhaps soon. The current trends are quite literally unsustainable. Even short term.

Apple could lead the way in re-industrializing America, and be truly loved heroes doing so.

They should.


91 posted on 06/07/2011 7:52:03 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (BUY AMERICAN. The job you save will be your son's, or your daughter's)
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To: dfwgator
I use Dropbox, and I have all of my files synced on not just my Apple products, but also on my Windows boxes as well.

Dropbox is very nice for what it does. But it's still a folder in the filesystem. But with iCloud Apple has gone far beyond Dropbox. It syncs music, apps, iBooks, and files. And iCloud does this in a way that makes the filesystem disappear. And that is one of the primary ideas--to make the filesystem disappear.

By the way, iCloud will sync music between Macs and Windows boxes. But since I got rid of all my Windows boxes, I really don't need that. And once iCloud goes live, I won't have much need for Dropbox anymore since I have already made the transition to an all Mac shop.

92 posted on 06/07/2011 8:01:24 AM PDT by stripes1776
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To: kevkrom
I note that OS X Lion also has a low-power (CPU/disk only, no monitor or USB) wake on LAN feature for file transfers, etc. -- in conjunction with the iOS wireless sync, I'm curious to see how the sync will work given that each user logs into iTunes separately via their computer account.

I think I may have just realized the answer to my own question. Why on earth am I insisting on putting the computer into the equation? The iDevice will sync to the cloud, not the computer. The computer will be updated from the cloud when it gets the chance (assuming, say, that it's powered down at the time of the iDevice sync.)

93 posted on 06/07/2011 8:12:41 AM PDT by kevkrom (Palin's detractors now resort to "nobody believes she can win because nobody believes she can win")
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To: tacticalogic
 cloud: noun, singular; a dynamic arrangement of multiple potential single points of failure with a user at one end, and his data at the other.


94 posted on 06/07/2011 8:13:54 AM PDT by zeugma (The only thing in the social security trust fund is your children and grandchildren's sweat.)
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To: ctdonath2

360 CDs? I’m not a music fanatic, but I’ve been collecting CDs for about 23 years, and I’m over 1,000. That’s about a four per month average, including digging through bargain bins and hitting second-hand shops. Many of my friends have far more, and I’m not talking about the ones who DJ on weekends.


95 posted on 06/07/2011 9:23:51 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: aruanan

Thank you. My brain is a little like a cloud and sometimes this techie stuff sort of floats around in there and doesn’t really land! :) I appreciate you taking the time to hang some of this on a passing neuron! <3


96 posted on 06/07/2011 9:36:03 AM PDT by brytlea (Someone the other day said I'm not a nice person. How did they know?)
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To: TXnMA

So, if it’s encrypted, then that means if someone hacks it they won’t be able to know your info? At least in theory?


97 posted on 06/07/2011 9:37:33 AM PDT by brytlea (Someone the other day said I'm not a nice person. How did they know?)
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To: ctdonath2
That’s 33GB of content at 256kbps compressing a modest collection of 12 CDs per year for 30 years. A common collection will be several times larger.

I'm sure there are lawyers at Apple negotiating with the movie studios as we speak. That's where the space really gets huge, and where Apple's "store an alias to a common file" approach really pays off. I have little doubt movies will show up eventually, but it will almost certainly be iTunes purchases only.

98 posted on 06/07/2011 10:52:05 AM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
The end will be a sudden collapse of any “American” companies which have not before then, found ways to wind down their operations there - suddenly those will no longer be their operations at all - they will belong to the Chinese government. They will be expropriated and collapse catastrophically as independent companies.

That's why American (and Japanese, and Korean, and British, etc.) companies contract work out. If the Chinese government decides to nationalize Apple's operations there, they'll get a few offices and several retail stores. If they nationalize Foxconn, there will be severe shortages while Apple tries to line up another contractor elsewhere; China, meanwhile, will simply be killing the golden-egg-laying goose.

99 posted on 06/07/2011 10:59:00 AM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: antiRepublicrat

I was responding to the claim that “anyone that can’t seem to fit enough music in 20GB, which doesn’t even count stuff from Amazon, has serious issues” by observing that even a paltry 1-CD-a-month habit would overwhelm the 20GB line with ease.


100 posted on 06/07/2011 10:59:00 AM PDT by ctdonath2
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