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Looking for a new 9mm (vanity)

Posted on 06/10/2011 7:29:23 PM PDT by gop4lyf

I am going to a gun show on Sunday and I have narrowed it down to 4 choices. I am not looking for a concealed/carry model since it will be for range shooting and home defense only. I also am not looking for a higher caliber, 9mm only. Does anyone have and experience/opinions on any of these? any feedback is greatly appreciated.


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To: umgud

“Without regard to your choices, beware the gun-show fares. Yours may differ, but most I’ve been to have far more overpriced guns than bargains.”

Agreed. Poster should establish a relationship with dealer(s) in his/her area; for the most part they will be priced competitively, be sincerely interested in customer satisfaction and repeat business, and most importantly, not here today, gone tomorrow.

Use the gun show to compare prices and a evaluate a wide variety of firearms in the flesh. Then buy from a business in your town.


51 posted on 06/10/2011 8:49:10 PM PDT by secondamendmentkid
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To: Travis McGee
My XD9 has never failed to feed yet. I trust it 100%.

Ditto.

Also, to those .45 elitists on this thread: Would you care to volunteer in taking a few rounds in the chest with my puny 9mm?

52 posted on 06/10/2011 8:50:09 PM PDT by adm5 (AMERICA HAS ONLY GOD AND THE SECOND AMENDMENT LEFT TO SAVE THE REPUBLIC. by: LibLieSlayer 3/18/10)
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To: Brilliant

“Taurus has a bad rap. I have a Taurus PT92. It’s a great gun.”

I have one also and I second your motion, a super accurate pistol. A lot of people get their jollies ragging on Taurus firearms. I suspect most of them never owned one and they are critical because Taurus is very competitively priced

Taurus is very innovative and almost all of the gun mag reviews are complimentary of their firearms.

That being said, I do like my Colt Defender .45 the best followed by the Judge.


53 posted on 06/10/2011 8:58:22 PM PDT by secondamendmentkid
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To: imjimbo

Uh, Notice that I said “and the REST of them” in my post.
I will not list all my calibers for obvious reasons.

I do still miss them all, as they rest at the bottom of the lake. LOL.

Cheers!


54 posted on 06/10/2011 9:10:36 PM PDT by TheConservativeParty (PALIN 45 The cure for "meet the new boss, same as the old boss." I Heart Herman Cain..)
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To: gop4lyf
I'd suggest you check out the S&W M&P 9mm.

Comfortable, easy to change backstraps that allow different grip sizes, accurate and reliable. Lifetime S&W warrenty.

Have Glocks, Sigs, Brownings and others, I like the S&W best.


55 posted on 06/10/2011 9:26:28 PM PDT by sjmjax (Politicans are like bananas - they start out green, turn yellow, then rot.)
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To: WackySam

Wacky

The only way to improve on the CZ 82 would be to make it a larger caliber. That would cut down on mag cap (a draw back). So there is no way to improve it. MAK ammo with the polygonal barrel will get the job done. 12 round mag, self
ejecting, Wide mag port equals rapid reloads. 12 at a time. It looks like you shortened the front site. Mine shot low so I painted the rear “dots” white and then the front “ramp” I started from the bottom “with white”
and worked my may up till it was in. Then its DEAD on at “10yd” I dont like to take off metal if I dont have to.I’m curious if yours came with the front post honed down.


56 posted on 06/10/2011 9:39:53 PM PDT by Jimma
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To: WackySam

Wacky

The only way to improve on the CZ 82 would be to make it a larger caliber. That would cut down on mag cap (a draw back). So there is no way to improve it. MAK ammo with the polygonal barrel will get the job done. 12 round mag, self
ejecting, Wide mag port equals rapid reloads. 12 at a time. It looks like you shortened the front site. Mine shot low so I painted the rear “dots” white and then the front “ramp” I started from the bottom “with white”
and worked my may up till it was in. Then its DEAD on at “10yd” I dont like to take off metal if I dont have to.I’m curious if yours came with the front post honed down.


57 posted on 06/10/2011 9:40:03 PM PDT by Jimma
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To: gop4lyf

Ruger and Sig are my choices. I own the P250 and it is an excellent weapon. Can also be downsized with a few changes to a .22 for target as well as adjusting the size. A lot of Police Dept’s had problems with the Glock, mostly the .40 so I won’t buy one. When you need a weapon, you need reliability, and Sig does it for me. All the Best. JMO


58 posted on 06/10/2011 9:46:02 PM PDT by Tuketu (Democrats should be known as the National Democrat Party - NDP , see Germany)
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To: Jimma

There should be SPECIAL thread for the CZ 82 IMO


59 posted on 06/10/2011 9:49:30 PM PDT by Jimma
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To: Jimma

There should be SPECIAL thread for the CZ 82 IMO


60 posted on 06/10/2011 9:49:45 PM PDT by Jimma
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To: umgud; gop4lyf
Without regard to your choices, beware the gun-show fares. Yours may differ, but most I’ve been to have far more overpriced guns than bargains.

If this is the Dallas Gunshow, everyone is competing against Bachman Pawn and Gun and the prices, even when factoring in the cost and hassle of going to the show, are about as best as can be expected short of buying the guns stolen.

61 posted on 06/10/2011 9:58:33 PM PDT by The Theophilus (Obama's Key to win 2012: Ban Haloperidol)
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To: snowrip

I also love Sig 229, a masterpiece in .40 so am sure the 9 is fine.


62 posted on 06/10/2011 10:07:58 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: secondamendmentkid
Taurus PT92 is one of my home defense weapons ... need more than one or two pistols so you have one 'at hand' wherever you are in your home. I have the Taurus PT92, AND what I am recommending for any home defense setup, the Taurus 24/7 OSS DS in .45 ACP, with very bright LED flashlight hanging underneath ... my bedside buddy.

I have shot my OSS DS more than five hundred times with all kinds of ammo and it works every time. They come with two 12 rd mags and have the double/single operating system, with a decocking mechanism which allows you to leave a round up the pipe and twelve in each mag.

I just ordered two more mags because I want to break in alternate mag springs and be prepared. With Golden Sabre rounds, that weapon is a perp stopper. But always think of your pistols, whatever kind you trust, as merely the means to get to a real weapon, a 12 gage in pump with a bandoleer of extra rounds, in #2, 00 Buck, and slugs.

And while planing where to place pistols for quick access, do not discount the venerable 1911. There are ten round mags, eight round mags, and you can purchase a well made Phillipine version for around $375. Well made Pistols sold under the Rock Island name brand.

45 ACP ball ammo can be purchased at Wally World for around sixteen per fifty, and in 100 round loose bags at gunshows for around fourteen per fifty. The 1911 setup is recoil friendly, but my Taurus OSS DS is the finer of the 45ACP I trust. It's a 5 inch barrel big frame but a very comfortable grip even for women's hands. You won't even be tempted to conceal carry with it, unless you'll wear a fanny/belly pack or a courier's pouch.

Last but certainly not least, my perferred CC pistol is the very reliable sweet shootin' CZ82, and I keep it in the van with two or more extra mags, Hornady hollow points in all.

63 posted on 06/10/2011 10:18:25 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: gop4lyf

Oops, meant to ping this above to you.


64 posted on 06/10/2011 10:19:24 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: gop4lyf

Most 9mm are pretty much not too different from each other.

I would get a double stacker, though, not those 8 round mags ones, but those with 16 round mags (double stacked)

Out of your list I would get the SIG: a no brainer no surprize great out of the box performance and handling. It’s just the way SIG firearms are like. I just cannot stray too far from SIG without getting disappointed.

HK makes great 9s

XD great gun

Glock too

Beretta’s all metal 92FS tends to get hot or cold on the hand depending on the weather, but it’s easier to maintain and fix. Wash it with warm water and soap, put it in the oven to dry, put oil, and you have a well maintained gun. Broken part? Too easy, you can have one built by a local metalsmith around your corner of town. Can’t do that with polymeres... and I heard bad things about their new millenium polymerish 9mm.

The Taurus is a Beretta 92 FS clone, but lighter, made with aluminum (a more difficult metal than steel, though), I believe. Look around, maybe they have a Titanium one! Light weight and indestructible, but difficult metal to work on.

FN has the Browning High power but they also have the derivative of the 5.7 in 9mm. It looks like a toy, it is so light, but shoots very accurately. My 5.7 is probably the best gun I have in terms of sheer performance.

Walther is also a great classic German engineering wonder

East block? Go with CZ only, especialy those with the rail sliding inside and not outside the frame. These are excellent design.

Wanna go super expensive high tech and super dependable, best of the best? Look for a Swiss Sphynx

Going AMerican?

Ruger is great

1911s in 9mm are great, I hear, but I do not know if Para makes them in double stackers like they do their .45

If Kimber does 9s, it’s only single stacks, unfortunately, because Kimber is the best the US makes.

S&W and other classic reputed brands

Looking for USA Ergonomics?

S&W is great ergonomics, I hear.

Austrian Glocks are too thick, imo, and suck in ergonomics. Maybe the 3rd or 4th generation glocks have improved.


65 posted on 06/10/2011 10:20:37 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: MTG eatdeer; gop4lyf
Avoid the Taurus!!

For 9mm? Are you insane? For security reasons, I can't talk deeply about my inventory but sufficient to say, pretty much all of the main stream handgun manufacturers who aren't targeting the Saturday Night Special crowd make good weapons for their price. They have to because the competition and tight margins would immediately close their doors. Furthermore, in terms of mainstream handguns, the design is influenced, in large part, to performance specifications for military and law enforcement so these guns are all excellent performing devices.

The difference therefore is in the gimmicks and features that differentiate one brand from another. Taurus has a penchant for making lots of changes to their guns on the fly in mid production so the gun purchased at the end of the run isn't the same as one at the start of a run. This makes it difficult for third party manufacturers to cobble up geegaws to festoon one's weapon. If I had a criticism for Taurus it would be that. If I want cheap magazines I would get Glock. If I wanted to add profoundly expensive barrel attachments, magazines or sights I would go H&K. But the only reason I would go H&K is for Poser reasons not because H&K is worth the difference in price.

Why I like and carry Taurus is that they make the best Titanium guns out there provided you don't need ambidextrous safety or care to swap out the stock sights.

The OP said "carry" was a motivating concern. The high capacity magazine of the compact Titanium Taurus weighs more than the gun itself. Use round selection to moderate and control barrel flip, flash, recoil and other performance concerns like one would do with any other gun. As a bicyclist weight is a concern and Titanium has great resistance to sweat and the elements like Stainless without the weight and shine.

On occasion, I like the Taurus Titanium .45LC as it is even lighter and has a real large muzzle for that urine-down-both-pant-legs effect on the perp.

For those who want a child-friendly firearm, one Taurus gimmick is the key lockable firing pin - a total security hazard and hassle for dealing with that bump in the night, but a great way to be able to leave a loaded handgun laying around without little Johnny putting rounds down-range or into his sister's head.

Is it a good gun for the range? No. Neither is any other summer concealable compact. Other than plowing through a magazine or two of familiarity fire using the rounds intended for the street, for pleasure use a full size for working on fundamentals that can't be legally practiced in the living room. (unless of course your neighborhood association has no problems with firing rounds out the window into a target out in the yard.)

Everyone brags about how their favorite piece fires great out of the box. So what? Same thing with my Taurus. If I were to be picky about a 9mm beyond the gimmicks a particular manufacturer offers, I would be thinking about springs and ammo selection to perfectly match the firearm to the way I want to shoot. In that respect you have a point of avoiding Taurus because springs are made of unobtanium. But then again, who is so anal retentive about perfecting the right gun/spring/ammo combination that they aren't going to personally handle every brand imaginable on the range before making their decision?

FWIW, I sleep with a Desert Eagle .50AE knowing that whatever comes through the door, body armour or not, its going down, and considering the muzzle flash, will probably go down while on fire. If my ears are going to bleed from the noise and concussion, so is everyone elses.

66 posted on 06/10/2011 10:38:30 PM PDT by The Theophilus (Obama's Key to win 2012: Ban Haloperidol)
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To: The Theophilus
Don't let any of these gun experts fool you. If you want a real 9MM. Not a clone or knock off there is only one, and it was invented before the 1st world war, saw action in that war and lots of action in the second war. It is really a beautiful gun and will give you years of service. The Browning Hi-Power. Get the real thing.
don't settle for an also ran or a wanna be, get the real thing,.
67 posted on 06/10/2011 10:52:42 PM PDT by BooBoo1000 (The Mills of the Gods grind slow, but exceedingly fine.)
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To: gop4lyf

Another vote for the Springfield XDM, with the extended mag. Most comfortable gun I’ve fired in years, and I don’t have big hands. Never had a jam.


68 posted on 06/10/2011 10:55:02 PM PDT by Hodapp ("O Judgment, thou art fled to brutish beasts, and men have lost their reason.")
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To: SIDENET

Love my M9 it is such a good weapon.


69 posted on 06/10/2011 10:57:18 PM PDT by crazydad
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To: crazydad
Love my M9 it is such a good weapon.

Rock solid reliable with a good capacity and I shoot it very well. Mine is my first choice for taking as my "car weapon". I'd like to CC it, but it's a little large for me to conceal on my 5'8", 140 lb frame.

70 posted on 06/10/2011 11:03:23 PM PDT by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: gop4lyf

Glock 19


71 posted on 06/10/2011 11:09:52 PM PDT by Java4Jay
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To: gop4lyf

Taurus PT-99 has treated me well. Reasonable price and dependable and proven design.


72 posted on 06/10/2011 11:12:46 PM PDT by cornfedcowboy (Trust in God, but empty the clip.)
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To: Travis McGee

My XD-40sc also performs flawlessly.


73 posted on 06/11/2011 12:52:02 AM PDT by scott7278 ("...I have not changed Congress and how it operates the way I would have liked..." - BHO)
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To: UriĀ’el-2012

Agree that CZs deserve a a look-see. I have a 75B, an 85B, and a Kadet 22LR. The latter is sized like the 9mm’s and one heckuva lot of fun to shoot.


74 posted on 06/11/2011 5:01:48 AM PDT by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "p" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: 2nd Bn, 11th Mar
CZs are nice without a doubt. I hadn't mentioned them either. EAA, which appeared to run a company making CZ knock offs, is also worth a look.

Personally I would never buy another pistol unless I had shot some with that model.

As it is the 100th aniversery of the 1911 it's worthy of consideration. Very few modern pistols have the trigger of a 1911. They also make them in 9mm (which seems a bit blaspemous).

75 posted on 06/11/2011 6:22:11 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Jimma
It looks like you shortened the front site. Mine shot low so I painted the rear “dots” white and then the front “ramp” I started from the bottom “with white” and worked my may up till it was in. Then its DEAD on at “10yd” I dont like to take off metal if I dont have to.I’m curious if yours came with the front post honed down.

The CZ in the photo is not mine- just an image I pulled from Google. The only thing I had to do to my sights was paint them with some Testors florescent model paint. Red up front, white in back. It was a straight-shooter right out of the box. I can shoot fist size groupings with it at 25+ yards. It's by far my favorite range gun.
76 posted on 06/11/2011 6:44:27 AM PDT by WackySam (Obama got Osama just like Nixon landed on the moon.)
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To: RGT

Bump on this.

Extremely reliable.


77 posted on 06/11/2011 7:49:27 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Tough enough to have survived the end of the world)
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78 posted on 06/11/2011 7:55:42 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: Delta 21
Yes....very nice weapon....here's mine...

But it's a pricey one, though....$800 plus


79 posted on 06/11/2011 8:03:17 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: adm5

I notice you didn’t offer to take even one .45 in kind....I’m not an elitist, but a .45 is more deadly, period. Unless you’re willing to pay double for some 9mm DRTs or such; mostly the advantage is more shots. I have several of both 45, 9mm, 38 SP, 38SP+, 357Magnum, 45 LC, etc, hell, even a 9mm short or a 32ACP or two.... Each has its own merits.


80 posted on 06/11/2011 8:10:21 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: gop4lyf

I’m no expert but I’d personally lean towards the XD or the SR9.

That said, have you considered a Glock 17/19, Smith & Wesson M&P or one of the less expensive Rugers?

FYI we have two Browning Hi-Powers and a CZ75 (not B) for 9’s. Next on the wishlist are a S&W M&P and a FN Herstal FNX in .40 and a 1911 (maybe a TAURUS). A Kel-Tec P9 and a Taurus .22 revolver are on the list as well.


81 posted on 06/11/2011 8:25:02 AM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: USMCPOP

I looked at the FNP and FNX but the trigger pull on DA is so high that it really turned me off. Otherwise, that is probably what I would be buying.


82 posted on 06/11/2011 8:28:17 AM PDT by gop4lyf (Socialism is the political dream of the unachiever, the excuse maker, and the lazy.)
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To: adm5

“Also, to those .45 elitists on this thread: Would you care to volunteer in taking a few rounds in the chest with my puny 9mm?”

No thank you. However, I have heard of at least one instance where a woman was shot in the head with a 9mm and lived. Also, this report indicates that .45 caliber is the way to go:

http://unblinkingeye.com/Guns/TLGR/TLGR6/tlgr6.html


83 posted on 06/11/2011 11:32:24 AM PDT by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: gop4lyf

I love the FNH. The Springfield XD9 is crap in comparison.


84 posted on 06/11/2011 12:48:03 PM PDT by WarEagle (Can America survive a President named Hussein?)
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To: gop4lyf
Strangers on the internet are not what I would consider a reliable source of information about firearms. Everyone with an smidgeon of testosterone wants to be the expert.

My 2 cents:
Find a gun range here: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=gun%20ranges, maybe take a class, rent and shoot a bunch of different types, and then buy the one you like the best. Just be sure to test it until you're confident that it will be reliable.

You wouldn't ask a people on the internet to help you pick out a pair of tennis shoes and buying a gun isn't much different from that.
85 posted on 06/12/2011 8:14:51 PM PDT by Sparticus (Tar and feathers for the first dumbass Republican that uses the word bipartisanship.)
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To: Gaffer
Im droolin'! Thats a bad ass finish.

Ho Hum...mine is only silver chrome. :(

86 posted on 06/14/2011 8:23:02 PM PDT by Delta 21 (Make your choice ! There are NO civilians.)
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To: RandallFlagg

I carry one and it felt heavy til I showed it to a guy who had some brand of 9MM and it felt like is was cast iron. He couldnt believe how light the Beretta was.


87 posted on 07/05/2011 6:24:26 PM PDT by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: Yorlik803

It’s not too bad with the Supertuck IWB holster. Just ordered another one for my Springfield XDM .45.


88 posted on 07/05/2011 8:17:28 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Let this chant follow BHO everywhere he goes: "You lie. You lie. You lie.")
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