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Tour de France *** 2011 *** [LIVE THREAD]
Various ^ | July 2, 2011 | Various

Posted on 07/01/2011 7:58:26 PM PDT by Ready4Freddy

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To: West Texas Chuck

I like the story of the early TDF where a rider’s frame broke. He managed to get to a village and find the blacksmith’s shop, where he managed to repair the frame himself, only to be disqualified because he had the outside assistance of a local boy working the bellows on the forge.


351 posted on 07/20/2011 10:21:48 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

Yeah, there was a posting about that in this thread. Christophe, what a competitor.

Check out post #265, the whole story is there.

Stay safe FReeper, the next few days of the Tour will make for some interesting watching.


352 posted on 07/20/2011 10:29:43 AM PDT by West Texas Chuck (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. That should be a convenience store, not a Government Agency.)
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To: West Texas Chuck

I think they’re small air pumps. If you have to change your own tube, you’re going to need to fill it up.


353 posted on 07/20/2011 1:02:04 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY ("The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen." -Dennis Prager)
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To: GATOR NAVY

They sure don’t look like the typical pumps of the day, but they’ve gotta be something.

Man, wild descent at the finish today. Hivert went off the road several times, once into somebody’s driveway. Then here comes Voekler and goes off at the same point, through the gate, gets air, then skids sideways and nearly into a fence. Awesome!

I have to hand it to Voekler, he ain’t giving up, lost like 27 seconds on the stage, but still in yellow. Probably not much longer. I look for Contador to make a big move on one of the HC climbs tomorrow, hopefully the Schlecks can hang on to him, but you know Basso and Evans will be there too.

That final descent today was just nuts, them boys are lucky nobody in the hopefuls ate it in a big way.


354 posted on 07/20/2011 8:06:14 PM PDT by West Texas Chuck (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. That should be a convenience store, not a Government Agency.)
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To: Ready4Freddy

Such an interesting stage today. I didn’t get to watch it until tonight so sorry for the late comments. AC gave it all he had and came up with nada. Like that! The TV views showed us EBH winning then the next little clump then, all of a sudden came Sanchez and AC with the Schlecks and Evans. How they re-grouped is anyone’s guess b/c they didn’t show us.
Those had to be the most narrow roads (and darkest) I have ever seen on the TdF. And the descent? Whoa, Baby! Into the Car Park go Hivert and Voekler! Craziness.
I cannot remember a TdF when the eventual leader was so up for grabs at this late stage. There are 5-8 guys who have a legitimate chance to win it. Voekler, Basso, Evans, Schleck, Schleck, Sanchez, Cunego and AC.
Tomorrow will. Be. Epic.


355 posted on 07/20/2011 10:36:13 PM PDT by luv2ski
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To: Ready4Freddy

Haha! Yes, that’s probably it...


356 posted on 07/20/2011 10:38:04 PM PDT by luv2ski
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Tour de France 2011

Stage 18 - Pinerolo (Italy) > > > Galibier Serre-Chevalier - 200.5 km

Thursday, July 21, 2011


Route

Stage 18 Route


Profile of the Stage

Stage 18 Profile


Profile of Last Kilometers

Stage 18 Profile of Last Kilometers


Mountain Passes & Hills

Km 107.0 - Col Agnel (2 744 m) - 23.7 km climb to 6.5 % - Category HC
Km 145.5 - Col d'Izoard (2 360 m) - 14.1 km climb to 7.3 % - Category HC
Km 200.5 - Col du Galibier (2 645 m) - 22.8 km climb to 4.9 % - Category HC


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357 posted on 07/21/2011 6:30:04 AM PDT by Ready4Freddy (I fight gangs for local charities and stuff.)
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To: 21stCenturion; Aeronaut; alfa6; BaBaStooey; Baynative; big ern; Blue Jays; bwteim; cabojoe; ...
Tour de France 2011

Stage 18 - Pinerolo (Italy) > > > Galibier Serre-Chevalier - 200.5 km

Thursday, July 21, 2011


Stage Preview

High Mountains - A sporting perspective

JEAN-FRANÇOIS PESCHEUX’S ANALYSIS: A record to celebrate a centenary

“We return to France and there are three very big cols on the menu. The Agnel will be tackled for the first time ever from this side, then there’s the Izoard and its legendary Casse Déserte, followed by the Galibier. This will be our chance to celebrate the centenary of this mythic climb’s first appearance on the race route back in the 1911 Tour de France. In addition, the finish, located at an altitude of 2,645 metres, will be the highest in the race’s history. It will remove from the history books the place held since 1986 by the 2,413m Col du Granon. This stage will certainly see a match-up between all those riders who are in contention for the overall title, as will the stage the following day. Whoever is leading the race runs the risk of succumbing to such physical demands.”


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358 posted on 07/21/2011 6:34:52 AM PDT by Ready4Freddy (I fight gangs for local charities and stuff.)
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To: luv2ski
We are six or seven hours behind their time (depending on time zone)...so the stage is well into it. But this stage will certainly separate the "men from the boys".

If ever there was a stage a true sprinter must dread, it is today.

But...the Tour certainly misses Armstrong. Funny how there is so little mention of his name in the various broadcasts and writings.

359 posted on 07/21/2011 6:40:29 AM PDT by Logic n' Reason (The stain must be REMOVED (ERADICATED)....NOW!!)
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To: Ready4Freddy

What a monster of a stage and with L’alp D’Huez tomorrow.

I would say today is the ultimate make or break stage, but with d’Huez tomorrow I am not sure that can be said. I think there will definately be some attacks today, but the main contenders may just try to keep things close so they don’t burn themselves out for tomorrow.

That said, while today may not determine the winner, riders could definately LOSE the tour today.


360 posted on 07/21/2011 7:03:57 AM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to preserve it.)
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To: Logic n' Reason

Go Andy! Brilliant strategy and great racing! Let’s see if it holds


361 posted on 07/21/2011 7:08:22 AM PDT by Mom MD (The country needs Obamacare like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween mask)
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To: Ready4Freddy

“I think I’ll have a sandwich.” hahahaha


362 posted on 07/21/2011 7:11:13 AM PDT by luv2ski
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To: Mom MD; nutmeg; whattajoke; Aeronaut; jern; concentric circles; Petronski; Voss; Drango; glorgau; ..

Now we get a real look at the heart and strength of Thomas Voekler. — also, Johnny Hoogerland.


363 posted on 07/21/2011 7:31:27 AM PDT by Baynative (Are you a Free Republic monthly donor yet? If so, thanks. If not, why?)
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To: Mom MD

As long as someone beats Contador... Going to be a fun final climb. Hope Andy can hang on. Has to be an advantage to have Frank in the same group with AC.


364 posted on 07/21/2011 7:35:03 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: commish
What a monster of a stage and with L’alp D’Huez tomorrow

Hi commish!

And the ITT in Grenoble on Saturday...

365 posted on 07/21/2011 7:53:34 AM PDT by Ready4Freddy (I fight gangs for local charities and stuff.)
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To: Baynative

Voekler has a great heart but won’t be able to keep up they say.

I’m watching the schlecks, contador, and evans. The next few days should decide the race.


366 posted on 07/21/2011 8:09:08 AM PDT by Vision ("Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you would see the glory of God?" John 11:40)
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To: Vision

It is an amazing tactical conundrum. The guy in the peloton who needs to go is Contador. But, if he goes he takes Evans and Voekler with him ... Frank Schleck, too.


367 posted on 07/21/2011 8:10:52 AM PDT by Baynative (Are you a Free Republic monthly donor yet? If so, thanks. If not, why?)
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To: Baynative

I think we’re seeing the heart and strength of Andy Schlek!

Go Andy!


368 posted on 07/21/2011 8:13:59 AM PDT by green iguana
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To: Baynative

Darn it!

Schleck... but you knew that.


369 posted on 07/21/2011 8:14:51 AM PDT by green iguana
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To: Baynative
Paul Sherwen: "Less snow in the canyons on the Galibier because of global warming."

...AW CRAP

370 posted on 07/21/2011 8:23:56 AM PDT by Baynative (Are you a Free Republic monthly donor yet? If so, thanks. If not, why?)
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To: green iguana

From CyclingNews:

17:22:41 CEST

Meanwhile Andy Schleck continues to glide up the mountain. It’s been a eyebrow-raising turnaround from Schleck, he looks to be a completely different rider to the one we had seen in this Tour before now.


371 posted on 07/21/2011 8:39:15 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: Wyatt's Torch

4k to go - hope he can hold and not blow it for tomorrow.


372 posted on 07/21/2011 8:44:36 AM PDT by green iguana
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To: green iguana

17:30:14 CEST

There’s still no reaction from Alberto Contador in the yellow jersey group, and he will need to do something very special indeed on Alpe d’Huez now if he is to win the Tour.


373 posted on 07/21/2011 8:47:12 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: green iguana

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha:

17:33:12 CEST

Alberto Contador is dropped by the Evans group. He is really struggling here, although he manages to make his way back up to the tail of the group.


374 posted on 07/21/2011 8:49:41 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: green iguana

17:34:48 CEST

Like Indurain on Les Arcs in 1996, it’s been a sudden capitulation from Contador.
17:34:02 CEST

Contador is definitively dropped from the Evans group. His Tour de France challenge is over. We should have known, he surely would have contributed to the chase had he had the legs.


375 posted on 07/21/2011 8:51:14 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: green iguana

17:41:07 CEST

Evans and Basso are next over the line, now can Voeckler save yellow?

17:42:08 CEST

Yes he can... Voeckler dives across the line 2:20 down on Andy Schleck to salvage the maillot jaune by 16 seconds. He is visibly exhausted as he crosses the line.


376 posted on 07/21/2011 8:59:39 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch (I can explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.)
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To: Wyatt's Torch

What a day! Can’t wait for tomorrow. Could the schleck bros finish 1-2? Kinda doubt it though. I think Evans will have something to say about it.


377 posted on 07/21/2011 9:00:09 AM PDT by Mom MD (The country needs Obamacare like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween mask)
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To: Wyatt's Torch
THOMAS VOEKLER

378 posted on 07/21/2011 9:01:10 AM PDT by Baynative (Are you a Free Republic monthly donor yet? If so, thanks. If not, why?)
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To: Wyatt's Torch

You beat me to it!

That’s awesome! Voeckler gets to keep the yellow jersey for at least one more day.

Contador’s no good w/o the Clenburitol...


379 posted on 07/21/2011 9:01:20 AM PDT by green iguana
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To: luv2ski

Epic.

1. VOECKLER Thomas 181 TEAM EUROPCAR 79h 34’ 06”
2. SCHLECK Andy 11 TEAM LEOPARD-TREK 79h 34’ 21” + 00’ 15”
3. SCHLECK Frank 18 TEAM LEOPARD-TREK 79h 35’ 14” + 01’ 08”
4. EVANS Cadel 141 BMC RACING TEAM 79h 35’ 18” + 01’ 12”
5. CUNEGO Damiano 161 LAMPRE - ISD 79h 37’ 52” + 03’ 46”
6. BASSO Ivan 91 LIQUIGAS-CANNONDALE 79h 37’ 52” + 03’ 46”
7. CONTADOR Alberto 1 SAXO BANK SUNGARD 79h 38’ 50” + 04’ 44”
8. SANCHEZ Samuel 21 EUSKALTEL - EUSKADI 79h 39’ 26” + 05’ 20”
9. DANIELSON Tom 52 TEAM GARMIN - CERVELO 79h 41’ 14” + 07’ 08”
10. PERAUD Jean-Christophe 108 AG2R LA MONDIALE 79h 43’ 33” + 09’ 27”


380 posted on 07/21/2011 9:06:14 AM PDT by Ready4Freddy (I fight gangs for local charities and stuff.)
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To: Baynative

Unbelievable day today! Wow!! I was pacing so hard, my heart was pounding watching those last 2 K’s!

I am fine with any of these top 4 or 5 taking it in Paris, what heart they all showed & very, very happy for Andy today! Great to see Tommy Danielson doing so well, too.


381 posted on 07/21/2011 9:14:30 AM PDT by twyn1
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To: green iguana
"Voeckler gets to keep the yellow jersey for at least one more day." Amazing performance, but he owes some thanks to Cadell Evans for that last climb.

Evans wants to stay close for the time trial on Saturday. Tomorrow has the potential to be an historic event.

382 posted on 07/21/2011 9:15:21 AM PDT by Baynative (Are you a Free Republic monthly donor yet? If so, thanks. If not, why?)
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To: Baynative

That TT is pretty short tho’...

How much time do you think a very good TTer like Evans could put into a decent TTer like Schleck over a 26 mile course?


383 posted on 07/21/2011 9:21:50 AM PDT by green iguana
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To: Baynative

Champions have to rise to the occasion.


384 posted on 07/21/2011 9:41:19 AM PDT by Vision ("Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you would see the glory of God?" John 11:40)
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To: green iguana; nutmeg; whattajoke; Aeronaut; jern; concentric circles; Petronski; Voss; Drango; ...
Right now Andy has only 57 seconds on Evans. That is something he can take back with no trouble in 26 miles. Evans is much better against the clock. Of course the variable still in the way is stage 19 tomorrow. Alpe D-Huez brings out special emotions in riders because of it's history and just to make things interesting they have reversed the direction for tomorrow and will traverse the Galibier once again at the half way point.



Voekler will be riding his heart out in the TT and can probably best Schleck, too. His challenge will be one more super performance in the climbs tomorrow. He is going to need support and Pierre Rolland who did a great job today seems to be his only team member who is up to the task of going with the moves.

385 posted on 07/21/2011 9:50:50 AM PDT by Baynative (Are you a Free Republic monthly donor yet? If so, thanks. If not, why?)
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To: Vision
"Champions have to rise to the occasion."

I can't wait for the next two stages! I'm not taking any calls until 9:00AM PST

;-}

386 posted on 07/21/2011 10:02:16 AM PDT by Baynative (Are you a Free Republic monthly donor yet? If so, thanks. If not, why?)
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To: twyn1
"I was pacing so hard..."

me too. I just knew Cadell was going to go and take Voekler with him. Oh well. Tomorrow may still be HUGE.

387 posted on 07/21/2011 10:09:09 AM PDT by Baynative (Are you a Free Republic monthly donor yet? If so, thanks. If not, why?)
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To: Ready4Freddy

7. CONTADOR Alberto 1 SAXO BANK SUNGARD 79h 38’ 50” + 04’ 44”

Looks like someone needs to put in an order for Spanish ‘beef’ - STAT!


388 posted on 07/21/2011 10:09:26 AM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to preserve it.)
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To: Baynative

Am looking at the results, seems like Andy was amazing today.


389 posted on 07/21/2011 10:12:48 AM PDT by Vision ("Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you would see the glory of God?" John 11:40)
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To: Baynative

Must be nice.


390 posted on 07/21/2011 10:14:41 AM PDT by Vision ("Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you would see the glory of God?" John 11:40)
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To: Baynative

Thanks for the insight, Bay.


391 posted on 07/21/2011 10:19:06 AM PDT by green iguana
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To: commish

My bet is you’ll not be seeing AC ride the Giro next year.


392 posted on 07/21/2011 10:22:22 AM PDT by PeteB570
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To: Vision
"Must be nice."

LOL - it isn't that hard. My phone isn't ringing much lately, anyway.

393 posted on 07/21/2011 10:34:50 AM PDT by Baynative (Are you a Free Republic monthly donor yet? If so, thanks. If not, why?)
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To: Baynative

Today was an epic stage. I cannot believe the other GC favorites, which at this point is Evans and Voekler, let him get away in a break. Contador will have to ride the TT of his life to even make the podium and even that’s a stretch. He must have peaked for the Giro thinking he wasn’t going to be allowed to ride the Tour. There’s also something to be said for the fact that he may not be willing to pay the price in training any more. We see it all the time with champions that are dominant for a couple of years, make millions, and aren’t willing to train as hard as they once did.

I’m just glad that we have something compelling for the first time since Contador won his first Tour.


394 posted on 07/21/2011 11:30:58 AM PDT by Todd Kinsey (Todd)
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To: Baynative

with you on that one Bay. Voekler is a beast and has totally gained my respect.

i remember seeing him 10 years ago on his first tour when he put up a battle for the jersey on bastille day. think i got that right.

man has always been a battler, glad he is getting the recognition in his own country. must be great. i wouldnt mind if he took GC, although i still think its a toss up cadel, schleck.


395 posted on 07/21/2011 3:12:50 PM PDT by beebuster2000
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To: beebuster2000; nutmeg; whattajoke; Aeronaut; jern; concentric circles; Petronski; Voss; Drango; ...
I am just loving the hell out of this tour and can't wait for tomorrow. The scenarios are delicious. Here's my take on the next two days:

I'm still thinking anyone in the top 9 which is down to Tom Danielson has the potential to take this race. Danielson is on the Garmin squad that won the Team TT and Vaughters says he can hammer. He has stayed with the bunch through the mountains so far, so who knows what he might be able to do at Grenoble if he somehow gets away tomorrow and takes a bite out of his 7 minute deficit?

#9 - Danielson is already well known in the peloton, but it just might be that the guard will be down or an attack from him might not be recognized as quick as necessary. That happening is about a 500:1 shot. But, if lightning strikes he could gain some minutes and use the TT to end up on the podium. If he is in the main group at the base of Alpe D-Huez and I'm his team director, I'm telling him to go whenever he sees an opening. There is nothing to lose and no glory in being #9.

#8 - No one is going to let Sammy Sanchez get away even though he is 5:20 back, because he is also dangerous in the TT. A dangerous side effect of Sanchez is that neither he nor Contador have any teammates with gas left in their tanks, but they are both Spaniards and will work together. The question would be whether Sanchez would chase Contador if he were to get a bit of a jump. I think that since Contador is defending a title he would be compelled to chase down Sanchez. But, Sanchez knows that.

#7 Contador has a few options still on the table. He can climb and he can time trial. I don't think he can make up 4 minutes in the TT. So, he is going to have to look for an opportunity and that is going to be very hard with Frank on his wheel everywhere he goes. In addition to being shadowed, there is a psychological impact that comes with knowing a rider who is 3:00 minutes clear of him is on his wheel saving energy and just waiting for him to move.

#6 Ivan Basso - UH-oh. This guy can climb and TT. He is a talented rider with a lot of smarts. He will be in the mix of all that transpires, both as a spoiler and as a potential podium finisher. He has a minute to the good on Contador and is only two minutes down from Evans and Frank Schleck. He is an aggressive rider; ok, frequent trouble maker and will be waiting for a chance to surprise the group. He has a wild card in Damiano Cunego, an Italian countryman who came out of no where and sits at the same time at 3:46 back.

#5 Damiano Cunego is a threat to be an upsetter in several ways. He is a top level climber who can sprint and has been working hard on his TT capabilities. Though he is a countryman and possibly an instant ally for Basso, he is a wild child. When he was just a 22 yr old kid riding for Saeco, he won the tour of Italy in which he sprinted away from his team leader Gilberto Simoni to win the 18th stage after Simoni's solo breakaway faltered. He may have matured a bit, but if he gets a chance he will hold no loyalty to anyone in this bunch.

#4 Cadell Evans may have expended a lot of his reserves today. We'll soon find out. He may be sitting in the best position of all and may also be the odds on favorite at this point. If he can ride the wheels of the Schelcks, which he proved capable of this week, he has the luxury of doing just the in order to set himself up for the TT on Saturday.

#3 Frank
#2 Andy - what do we need to know at this point? Same team, brothers, climbers and podium contenders. They will be looking to break Voekler, take revenge on Contador for last year's attack during Andy's chain drop and get a gap on Evans before the TT. If I'm their director, I'm going to have them attack and counter attack multiple times. I don't think they can gamble the podium on Evans, and Voekler both showing up weak for the TT. They probably won't mess around until Alpe-D-Huez and if they do, or if Andy gets away it will have to be an all out effort. If he were to separate himself from Basso and Contador, but end up dragging Evans with him he will stop working and the decision will be up to Cadell on whether to ride another hard day climbing or go back to the pack and wait for the race of truth.

#1 Although Cadell looks poised to take yellow from where I sit, I think Tommy is also in a great place. If he can stay with the bunch like he did today he may be able to conserve some of his reserves and use all he has on Saturday.

If a couple of riders way down in the GC go away the group will have to let them go. Wasting themselves to chance a break isn't worth it with the podium two days away. Think of this; the whole bunch could stay together for most of the day while some lower placed guys go for the stage. This could be the hardest day any of these guys have spent this year only to accomplish nothing more than not going backwards.

Whatever happens tomorrow, I'll be watching and pacing the floor tomorrow come 5:30 AM PST!!!

396 posted on 07/21/2011 4:57:42 PM PDT by Baynative (Are you a Free Republic monthly donor yet? If so, thanks. If not, why?)
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To: Baynative

bay:

door 2 please. schleks to lose

voelk has swum the ocean but sadly will die on the beach

cadel...hmmm..maybe but unless he kills it in TT, no.


397 posted on 07/21/2011 7:37:13 PM PDT by beebuster2000
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To: beebuster2000

Hold on bee - you’ve eliminated all the contenders. Who are you pickin’?


398 posted on 07/21/2011 8:27:53 PM PDT by Baynative (Are you a Free Republic monthly donor yet? If so, thanks. If not, why?)
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To: Baynative

yah my post was garbled. i meant the race is for the schleks to lose, meaning i think andy will win probably. then maybe cadel, althoough TV remains my sentimental fave


399 posted on 07/21/2011 9:04:27 PM PDT by beebuster2000
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To: beebuster2000

I think Andy needs to go into the TT with at least 1:30 on Cadell. If that happens, you could be making some money. Another variable is how they start in the TT. If Andy turns out to be the guy ahead of Cadell and it is a chase to close the gap and overcome him, Cadell has an advantage in my opinion. If the order is interrupted by Frank, it might not be so influential.


400 posted on 07/21/2011 9:23:14 PM PDT by Baynative (Are you a Free Republic monthly donor yet? If so, thanks. If not, why?)
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