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Movie 1776
Opinipundit ^ | 7/4/11 | traderrob

Posted on 07/04/2011 2:56:52 PM PDT by traderrob6

Just watched the 1972 movie production of "1776". Personally I thought the movie was VERY entertaining. I'm not much into musicals and I thought for the most part the songs were forgetable.

That being said, the acting was top shelf and the story, well, is, inspiring. I'm no historian, but I believe it was reasonably historically accurate.

There were points in the movie when I was really moved... and when they signed the document of declaration at the end as the bell tolled, I got a tear in my eye.

Please, your thoughts?

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1 posted on 07/04/2011 2:56:54 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: traderrob6

It’s a great little movie, and reasonably accurate. Where I think it came up short is in the music. Some of the songs were simply lame. I loved Franklin in this one.


2 posted on 07/04/2011 3:00:24 PM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: traderrob6
I remember it. Agreed, the music was less than inspiring. however, you might like this quick little number...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQP-RirMwbY
3 posted on 07/04/2011 3:00:43 PM PDT by theDentist (fybo; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: traderrob6

True in the overall sense, but the final scene was purely for dramatic effect. The vote took place on July 2, 1776, and thereafter the idea was hatched to put it in writing, and the writing itself was not signed, according to the records, until August 2, 1776.

Adams expected everyone to be celebrating the event on July 2, 1776 every year. This is an inaccuracy irrelevant to the story, though, IMHO.

I wonder if there is an intrepid sort that could make an exciting modern (current day) version of this story, so that when the kiddies at school are looking for a lazy history lesson, they can show the movie and take a “test” after watching it...you know, so the socially promoted ones who can’t read can learn it, too.

It is an important story.


4 posted on 07/04/2011 3:05:42 PM PDT by LachlanMinnesota (Which are you? A producer, a looter, or a moocher of wealth?)
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To: traderrob6
We obtained a copy of that fifteen or more years ago when we were homeschooling because it was recommended by one of the ladies on my wife's HS network.

We were told it was cpmpletely accurate (with the exception of the Hollywoodness" of it all.

I've watched it a couple a times a year just because I like it .... probably because I'm as obnoxious as John Adams and I have a Ben Franklin friend.

5 posted on 07/04/2011 3:06:13 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: traderrob6

I’ve always loved it, including more than half of the songs, and just had my 13 year old watch it with me on FMC even though we have the DVD. I recalled seeing a different version years back a(without the lamest tunes) and was intrigued to hear from the narrator that I had remembered correctly - the version that came out long ago was edited by Tricky Dick himself, President Nixon.


6 posted on 07/04/2011 3:10:28 PM PDT by major-pelham
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To: LS

I love the music. A couple of the songs are not so good, but some are great. I love “Yours, yours, yours,” it’s got a good march, and Dear Mr. Adams has a great tune and lyric.

But “Cool Considerate Men” toasts me. So glad they left it out of the theatrical version. The idea that the founding fathers were LEFTISTS? What planet were they on? The idea of limited government is frankly and openly hated by the left nowadays, and they have no problem saying they don’t like the founding fathers’ ideas.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXlXJa1dQPw

Franklin:
Mr. Adams, I say you should write it
To your legal mind and brilliance we defer

Adams:
Is that so? Well, if I’m the one to do it
They’ll run their quill pens through it
I’m obnoxious and disliked, you know that, sir

Franklin:
Yes, I know

Adams:
So I say you should write it Franklin, yes you

Franklin:
Hell, no!

Adams:
Yes, you, Dr. Franklin, you
but, you, but, you, but

Franklin:
Mr. Adams, but, Mr. Adams
The things I write are only light extemporania
I won’t put politics on paper; it’s a mania
So I refuse to use the pen in Pennsylvania

Others:
Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania, refuse to use the pen

Adams:
Mr. Sherman, I say you should write it
You are never controversial as it were

Sherman:
That is true

Adams:
Whereas if I’m the one to do it
They’ll run their quill pens through it
I’m obnoxious and disliked, you know that, sir

Sherman:
Yes, I do

Adams:
So I say you should write it, Sherman, yes you

Sherman:
Good heavens, no!

Adams:
Yes you, Roger Sherman, you
but, you, but, you, but

Sherman:
Mr. Adams, but, Mr. Adams
I cannot write with any style or proper etiquette
I don’t know a participle from a predicate
I am just a simple cobbler from Connecticut

Others:
Connecticut, Connecticut, a simple cobbler he

Adams:
Mr. Livingston, maybe you should write it
You have many friends and you’re a diplomat

Franklin:
Oh, that word!

Adams:
Whereas if I’m the one to do it
They’ll run their quill pens through it

Others:
He’s obnoxious and disliked; did you know that?
Livingston:
I hadn’t heard

Adams:
So I say you should write it, Robert, yes you
Livingston:
Not me, Johnny!

Adams:
Yes you, Robert Livingston, you
but you but you but

Livingston:
Mr. Adams, dear Mr. Adams
I’ve been presented with a new son by the noble stork
So I am going home to celebrate and pop the cork
With all the Livingstons together back in old New York

Others:
New York, New York, Livingston’s going to pop a cork

Jefferson:
Mr. Adams, leave me alone!

Adams:
Mr. Jefferson, dear Mr. Jefferson
I’m only 41; I still have my virility
And I can romp through Cupid’s Grove with great agility
But life is more than sexual combustibility

Others:
Combustibility, combustibility, combustibili...

Jefferson:
Mr. Adams, damn you Mr. Adams
You’re obnoxious and disliked; that cannot be denied
Once again you stand between me and my lovely bride
Oh, Mr. Adams, you are driving me to homicide!

Others:
Homicide, homicide, we may see murder yet!


7 posted on 07/04/2011 3:12:26 PM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: traderrob6
My favorite part -- where they wake up Franklin to tell him they are leaving because they need to help stop some immoral activities in another colony.

Franklin (groggy) -- Leaving? Why are we going there?

Adams (angry and righteous) -- Drinking and whores!

Franklin (always up for a party) -- Oh. Okay!

8 posted on 07/04/2011 3:21:07 PM PDT by Quiller (When you're fighting to survive, there is no "try" -- there is only do, or do not.)
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To: traderrob6

Actually, the music is very pretty and sometimes VERY dramatic (”Molasses To Rum to Slaves”) and moves the plot forward as it is required to do. A lot of the lyrics come from the letters of John Adams.

This is the original Broadway cast. I saw it in 1968 when I was 13 years old. William Daniels was out that night and John Cullum (who plays the South Carolinian in the movie - gee, I forgot his name!) took over as John Adams. Brilliant and handsome as only John Cullum could be. Virginia Vestoff who plays Abigail died tragically young and instead of the bland Blythe Danner as Jefferson’s wife, we had the great singer Betty Buckley. Superb!

I’m so very glad they preserved this cast in the movie. It has one of the strongest “books” (that’s what the dialogue is called in a musical) to ever come out of a musical.

While the movie was very unsuccessful in its day, I notice that’s it’s grown in stature. The staging is very close to the play - which is why it looks so very stagey.


9 posted on 07/04/2011 3:27:44 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (FR haters of Sarah Palin are wearing me out)
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To: knarf
The most important part of the movie was its depictions of the conflicts between the various delegations. i thought the slavery issue was particularly well done from Jefferson to the triangle trade to the striking of the “offending” paragraph. The various interchanges between the various characters was particularly accurate as ribald as it was.

Given a choice between using the move or any of the various “official” textbooks I will take the movie every time. Sorry about that Dr. Keloch (college American History professor).

10 posted on 07/04/2011 3:28:36 PM PDT by Nip (TANSTAAFL)
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To: traderrob6

The description of this movie said “Founding Fathers ——JOHN ADAMS, Tom Jefferson and someone. Who can let the leftist media know????


11 posted on 07/04/2011 3:29:12 PM PDT by libbylu (Game On!)
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To: traderrob6

It is one of my favorite movies and it has become a beloved family tradition. We love it!


12 posted on 07/04/2011 3:31:22 PM PDT by Jemian
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To: traderrob6

The music is FANTASTIC!!! How can anyone think the music is less than inspiring? It’s great. The only one less than good was the “Cool, considerate men” which was not included in the movie version.
Every American should be intimately familiar with the whole thing.


13 posted on 07/04/2011 3:31:38 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (NO MORE SECOND TERMS!!)
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To: traderrob6

I have always liked that movie. My favorite songs are The Egg and The Lee’s of Virginia.


14 posted on 07/04/2011 3:32:41 PM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: traderrob6

Finished watching it myself on TCM a little while ago. The music isn’t bad, but what moved me was the historical events it was representing and portraying. I was glad that someone had broadcast it today.


15 posted on 07/04/2011 3:35:26 PM PDT by Dunstan McShane
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To: I still care

And may my horses turn to glue
If I can’t deliver up to you
A resolution of independency.


16 posted on 07/04/2011 3:40:32 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (NO MORE SECOND TERMS!!)
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To: traderrob6

Totally enjoy the movie, saw it in grade school and very moving. The White Shadow coach Ken Howard is Thomas Jefferson.


17 posted on 07/04/2011 3:52:01 PM PDT by shoedog
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To: shoedog

And the actor who played Major Hochstedder on Hogan’s Heroes plays Lewis Morris of New York.
“New Yorks abstains. Couteously”


18 posted on 07/04/2011 3:59:28 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (NO MORE SECOND TERMS!!)
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To: traderrob6

Love the movie. Watch it whenever I can. It is historically accurate for the most part, deviating only in some details for dramatic purposes. The music is only fair, but not horrible. Some of the scenes are quite funny, others very profound.

I, too, was surprised by the “never left” line in that song TMC reinserted. Glad the producers had the wisdom to leave it out of the original release of the movie. That song is way too contemporary in it’s political message.


19 posted on 07/04/2011 4:14:03 PM PDT by Wolfstar ("If you would win a man to your cause, first convince him that you are his friend." Abraham Lincoln)
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To: LachlanMinnesota
I rather enjoyed the John Adams series. Have you seen that?
20 posted on 07/04/2011 4:17:41 PM PDT by camerongood210
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To: traderrob6

It’s one of the best patriotic films around. I enjoyed it.


21 posted on 07/04/2011 4:19:24 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Illegal aliens collect welfare checks that Americans won't collect)
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To: traderrob6

We watch it every year ... wore out our VHS copy and got a DVD. When my daughter graduated from Coast Guard boot camp two summers ago, the attendees visited Independence Hall, and several of them sang relevant “1776!” tunes while others pretended they didn’t know those crazy people.

I wish there was a video with the recent Broadway cast, though.


22 posted on 07/04/2011 4:20:23 PM PDT by Tax-chick (There is no satire that is more ridiculous than the reality of our current government.~freedumb2003)
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To: miss marmelstein

John Collum’s an incredible performer; I love him in anything. Blythe Danner, on the other hand ...awful.

My only series gripe is the character, not the performer, of Richard Henry Lee. That’s pretty seriously wrong.


23 posted on 07/04/2011 4:22:17 PM PDT by Tax-chick (There is no satire that is more ridiculous than the reality of our current government.~freedumb2003)
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To: traderrob6

I loved the part where Franklin smote the ground and out sprung George Washington. Fully grown. On his horse.


24 posted on 07/04/2011 4:38:49 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a liberal when I married her.)
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To: I still care; theDentist; LS

The soundtrack to this movie is one of my very favorites.

The song “Mama Look Sharp” is especially good and can apply to any war.


25 posted on 07/04/2011 4:39:30 PM PDT by proudofthesouth (Democratic Party - The party of genocide.)
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To: Quiller
Adams (angry and righteous) -- Drinking and whores! Franklin (always up for a party) -- Oh. Okay!

How else would you get Franklin to go to New Brunswick?

26 posted on 07/04/2011 4:40:13 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a liberal when I married her.)
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To: traderrob6

Always a favorite of mine. As a kid, I saw it with the orig cast in NYC, except Howard da Silva’s understudy played Franklin. I later sent a letter to da Silva and he sent back a handwritten note with a nice Franklin quote.


27 posted on 07/04/2011 4:40:35 PM PDT by Moonmad27 ("I'm not bad, I'm just drawn that way." Jessica Rabbit)
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To: camerongood210

John Adams was good and I like Giamatti, but I prefer the 1976 PBS Adams Chronicles.George Grizzard as Adams and William Daniels as John Quincy.


28 posted on 07/04/2011 4:53:13 PM PDT by xkaydet65 (IACTA ALEA EST!!!)
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To: Past Your Eyes

And may my wife refuse my bed,
If I can’t deliver, as I said,
A Resolution, of Independency!


29 posted on 07/04/2011 5:01:56 PM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: miss marmelstein
Here we are, in this little isolated community in Fairbanks, AK, and we did an astonishing production of 1776 when it was brand new and fresh - in the auditorium of a local high school. The costuming was perfect, the talent was amazing. All the principals are great voices, 'John Adams' and 'Rutledge' and too long a list. I wasn't prepared for what I was about to see, and I came out breathless and teary-eyed. I'll never forget when the stage lights were dimmed, everything in shadow except Rutledge on the table. A very young man, a powerful, incredibly haunting voice, his sweeping body language evoked the conflict that devastated the nation 90 years later. You could have heard a pin drop in the audience. And I'm picky. I'll tell you when I think a performance is amateurish.
30 posted on 07/04/2011 5:04:23 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Our liberties we prize and our rights we will maintain ... Iowa 61)
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To: LachlanMinnesota
I wonder if there is an intrepid sort that could make an exciting modern (current day) version of this story, so that when the kiddies at school are looking for a lazy history lesson, they can show the movie and take a “test” after watching it...you know, so the socially promoted ones who can’t read can learn it, too.

Will never happen. Hollywood and the NEA have successfully promulgated the meme that the Founding Fathers were misogynistic racists and backwards womyn haters.

31 posted on 07/04/2011 5:10:09 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: traderrob6
Caesar Rodney was not as sick as portrayed in the movie. He died about 10 years later.

-PJ

32 posted on 07/04/2011 5:15:49 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Everyone's Irish on St. Patrick's Day, Mexican on Cinco de Mayo, and American on Election Day.)
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To: traderrob6
Caesar Rodney was not as sick as portrayed in the movie. He died about 10 years later.

-PJ

33 posted on 07/04/2011 5:16:01 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Everyone's Irish on St. Patrick's Day, Mexican on Cinco de Mayo, and American on Election Day.)
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To: I still care
Yes, there was a lot of " refreshing the missus" in that movie.

The scene with Franklin having his portrait painted when Lee rides up takes place in front of the same fountain that was used in the opening scene of Friends.

-PJ

34 posted on 07/04/2011 5:21:36 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Everyone's Irish on St. Patrick's Day, Mexican on Cinco de Mayo, and American on Election Day.)
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To: traderrob6

I saw it on Broadway and loved it. The score is good. “Is Anybody There” is a poweful depiction of what Aemrica is supposed to be. The opening number works very well. Adams is completely right about Congress. And that very tender number between him and Abigail is sweet and wonderful.

The signing ceremony at the end can move you to tears.

Part of the reason it works was that William Daniels WAS John Adams, as completely as an actor can be his character. (The only other case in a musical where I’ve seen an actor so completely absorbed in his character was Richard Kiley aas Don Quixote in Man of LaMancha.)


35 posted on 07/04/2011 5:32:19 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: ArmyTeach

Thanks for the lovely description of this wonderful play! I have seen community theatre and high school theatre that have knocked my socks off. You never know when or where great art is going to rear its head.

A Happy Holiday to you.


36 posted on 07/04/2011 6:08:20 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (FR haters of Sarah Palin are wearing me out)
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To: TBP

Man of La Mancha and 1776 kind of overlapped on Broadway. The 60s were the last decade of the great musicals - perhaps with the exception of A Chorus Line in the late 70s.


37 posted on 07/04/2011 6:10:32 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (FR haters of Sarah Palin are wearing me out)
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To: xkaydet65

The George Grizzard mini series was absolutely wonderful! It is now on DVD.


38 posted on 07/04/2011 6:12:15 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (FR haters of Sarah Palin are wearing me out)
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To: miss marmelstein
Actually, the music is very pretty and sometimes VERY dramatic (”Molasses To Rum to Slaves”)

I saw the stage play of this in Chicago when I was going into senior year of high school. My mother took me and I still remember the number "Molasses to Rum to Slaves". If you think it is dramatic on the screen, you should have seen it in person. It was electrifying.

39 posted on 07/04/2011 6:14:08 PM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: Tax-chick

I had a major crush on John Cullum after I saw him on stage. I have now met him TWICE and he is the most modest Southern gentleman you could ever meet. He’s had a wonderful career and is still trodding the boards on Broadway.


40 posted on 07/04/2011 6:14:49 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (FR haters of Sarah Palin are wearing me out)
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To: Past Your Eyes

Cool, Cool Considerate Men IS in the movie. At least the one I saw today on TCM! It’s sung by John Dickenson.


41 posted on 07/04/2011 6:18:39 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (FR haters of Sarah Palin are wearing me out)
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To: miss marmelstein
What makes 1776 hard to do in local theater is that the show is all men, except for two female roles.

- PJ

42 posted on 07/04/2011 6:18:49 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Everyone's Irish on St. Patrick's Day, Mexican on Cinco de Mayo, and American on Election Day.)
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To: LibertarianLiz

I saw the original B’way play. That song was sung by a very fine 1960s actor named Clifford David. Later, when I produced shows at a club in NYC, I invited Mr. David to sing from his other hit show “One a Clear Day You Can See Forever.” Given his age at that point, I didn’t want to press him to sing such a heavy duty number as “Molasses to Rum to Slaves.” Another lovely man!


43 posted on 07/04/2011 6:22:33 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (FR haters of Sarah Palin are wearing me out)
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To: Political Junkie Too

Yes and it’s costume heavy and the voices must be VERY strong. And you have to be a very good actor to carry that script. It was revived about 10 years ago on B’way with Pat Hingle as Franklin. It was excellent but not as electrifying as the original show. It tells you something about the revival that I can’t remember who played John Adams.


44 posted on 07/04/2011 6:30:03 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (FR haters of Sarah Palin are wearing me out)
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To: miss marmelstein

It was not in the videotape movie of which we wore out two copies. But it was in the stage show we went to see in 1994. We now have a DVD of it which is different than the old videotape we had so it may be on that.
Another scene that wasn’t in the first one I saw was the fire engine fracas. That was new to me when I watched the DVD.


45 posted on 07/04/2011 6:36:59 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (NO MORE SECOND TERMS!!)
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To: TBP

Funny you should mention Man of La Mancha. My grandson was on the tech crew of that show at his high school last winter and they did an outstanding job on it. I wasn’t the least bit familiar with the show or even the story before that.


46 posted on 07/04/2011 6:47:39 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (NO MORE SECOND TERMS!!)
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To: traderrob6

Saw the movie when it first came out, back when I was in high school. Got the recording too. An amazing musical.


47 posted on 07/04/2011 7:37:18 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: miss marmelstein

The most emotional of the songs is a really a tie, “Mama Look Sharp” and “Molasses, Rum, And Slaves”.


48 posted on 07/04/2011 7:39:31 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: traderrob6

I hate to sound ignorant but what actually did they remove concerning slavery that prompted South Carolina to vote aye? I have never read or heard that. Good movie though, we dvr’d it.


49 posted on 07/04/2011 7:42:50 PM PDT by Ferndina
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To: Biggirl

Mama Look Sharp has such a pretty melody. I believe it’s the climax to the first act.


50 posted on 07/04/2011 7:55:44 PM PDT by miss marmelstein (FR haters of Sarah Palin are wearing me out)
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