Skip to comments.OJ jurors relieved at no longer being the dumbest 12 people on earth
Posted on 07/05/2011 9:31:40 PM PDT by orwell2112
OS ANGELES Legal experts and scientists were quick to issue a verdict of their own following the shocking not guilty decision announced today in the Casey Tot Mom Anthony trial: the 12 jurors who were assigned to the OJ The Juice Simpson case are no longer the 12 dumbest people on the planet.
The Juice, a former NFL star running back and master knife wielder, was found not guilty in the trial of the century in 1995 despite a mountain of evidence to the contrary.
But at least they had an excuse, an ulterior motive, for liberating The Juice, explains Dr. Timothy Miser, a law professor, psychiatrist and talk-show host with the Buckhead Community College in Atlanta.
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That jury still has the record for stupidity and bias.
In her closing arguments, Marcia Clark produced a chart showing nothing but facts not disputed by the defense. That alone should convicted Simpson.
Well, no. You're wrong. People do understand that. There's no way they couldn't get that after having it explained repeatedly by all the lawyers and talking heads ever talking about this and any other trial. People get this.
No, the problem here is that the jury was too stupid to recongize it when the burden had been met because the evidence didn't look like what they see on CSI.
Here’s what we know:
According to the defense, 2-year-old Caylee drowned, and the Dad covered it all up after sexually molesting Casey. Then mom did internet searches for chloroform. Then she didnt.
No one knows who used Casey’s computer to do the internet searches for neck injuries, chloroform, inhalation, death, head injuries,” and “internal bleeding. Or who deleted them.
Then Casey worked at Universal Studios for two years. Then she didn’t.
Then according to Casey, she left Caylee with a Nanny named...uh...Zanny. That’s when the trouble began. Zanny kept Caylee for 31 days, while the family kept asking where Caylee was. Then she didn’t. Because there WAS no Nanny named Zanny.
My theory is that Caylee put duct tape over her own mouth, walked into the woods, climbed into the trash bag, and suffocated.
Casey was so distraught by her father raping her that she didn’t even notice Caylee was missing. And she tried to forget about Rapist Dad by partying and getting tattoos and making up more lies about Zanny the Nanny. Also, in not reporting anything to the police for a month.
But the main thing is, this is a HUGE VICTORY FOR JUSTICE® and we can all celebrate the jurys verdict!
Pass the fireworks and champagne.
RE: this alternate JUROR stating THEY thought it was accident or not proving GUILT.
HOW did he know that, IF and unless he/they all talked after being admonished by the great JUDGE PERRY, everytime he dismissed them.
They got some Splaining to do.
I also heard tonight that JUROR #3 said none of them thought she was innocent. WHAT the hell is going on here.
Can't they read? and are they all DEAF as well a being DUMB, when they don't head the Judge's admonishments of not discussing the case.
The Jury instructions as to the Charges were Read over and over and over. If they still did not understand, help was just a click or a tap on the door away.
There was more Circumstantial Evidence in this Case than there was in the Scott Peterson or the Melanie McGuire case and they are now both in PRISON, as Casey should be.
McGuire remember is the woman who drugged and the chopped up her husband, stuffed the remains in 2 suitcases and threw them in the river. All circumstantial.
This Jury simply was to lazy it appears to have listened to anything, or it was a Runaway Jury. If what I heard about what Juror #3 now says, something went very wrong here and is SUSPECT. YET, each confirmed their verdict in open court when polled by the Judge.
The Prosecution in this case was masterful and cut to the quick. They were simply ignored, or they proved their case and JURY checked the wrong BOX, by "ACCIDENT Snowballing out of Control."
Another version to add yours as a summation would be:
Caylee committed Sucide and tried to pin it on her mother. She was just so sick and tired of being in the way of her mothers fun. /SARC,big time.
As far as the tape. Casey put it there so she would not have to look at her daughters face, while she stuffed her in those bags.
“RE: this alternate JUROR stating THEY thought it was accident or not proving GUILT.
HOW did he know that, IF and unless he/they all talked after being admonished by the great JUDGE PERRY, everytime he dismissed them.
They got some Splaining to do.
I also heard tonight that JUROR #3 said none of them thought she was innocent. WHAT the hell is going on here.”
EXCELLENT points. Also with some ‘splainin to do...my heroes Rush and Mark Levin, who both said there was NO EVIDENCE Casey killed her baby.
Hannity too. But Hannity is a joke-—NOT my hero.
The DA screwed up they had no facts of any kind only a lot of what if questiond.I think her parents had something to do with it or know something about it.
Cases are based on facts not guess work the DA did a sloppy job.
mom, the KILLER
How do you know that?what fact point to that answer?.
Guilty by guess work is the work of a dangerous idiot,what next a mob rushes the jail and hangs her?.
Facts prove guilt the DA FAILD to prove anything.She may have done it but they need proof.
Facts something that case didn’t have not one.
I guess you didn't watch the trial. You sound stupid, I would shut up.
As for dummy jurors, you have to count in the Galveston jury that found NY real estate heir Robert Durst innocent of killing..... and savagely dismembering.......his neighbor. Morris Black’s limbs and torso were found in garbage bags floating in Galveston Bay.
Durst landed in Galveston b/c he was also a suspect in his wife’s unsolved murder back in NY, and in a third unsolved murder of his friend in California.
In Galveston Durst bizarrely posed as a deaf mute woman and had even jumped bail. The multi-millionaire was later seen on security video shop-lifting a sandwich at a supermarket....and had $35,000 cash in his car.
Galveston jurors stupidly bought the high-paid defense’s arguments that Durst killed Black in self-defense......(yeah, that would explain why Durst savagely dismembered the body /snix.)
In an amazing indictment of the justice system, the jurors were not told of Durst’s earlier killings....and later said, had they known, they would have decided differently.
Durst lived happily ever after-—his rich family bought out his share in the Durst real estate empire for about $50 million (the family was scared stiff of this deranged murderer and wanted to get rid of him).
As to OJ, those jurors just hated the Cops and 'whitey'. They were getting even with 'the man', end of story. And it wasn't 'the Glove'. I saw that I knew he was intentionally stretching his hand, as I do that with gloves I don't want any more. Plus anyone with a pulse knows leather gloves shrink after they get wet, with water or blood. Getting them back on takes some 'working'. Leather Golf Gloves do that after every round.
But with this case I don't know I didn't follow it. The only thing I do remember was her mom or dad saying that in her car trunk that it had "The Smell Of Death". And once you smell it you know what it is and always will (I know). But was that enough to convict? I don't know about the other evidence they had to convict her of murder? (Murder being the operative word)
She told lie after lie even saying she had left Caylee w/ a nanny---trying to pin the murder on the nanny (that woman is now suing her).
Innocent people don't have to lie.
But I think the biggest evidence of guilt was that she waited 31 days to notify anybody about Caylee being missing. After all that time, Caylee had to be dead----how could a small child fend for herself?
Mothers don't act like that---if a small child is missing, they call 911 immediately....and shout it from the rooftops to get help from anyone who will listen.
I think the jurors were swayed by videos the defense showed----Caylee and Casey having fun together. That put the all-important "doubt" in the juror's mind that a mother could kill her own child.
Could agree with that-----the prosecution made it a death penalty case. Had the prosecution made it a simple homicide case, they might have gotten a conviction. The jury was understandably reticent to send someone to their death without compelling evidence.
The defense created doubt about the mother's actual connection to Caylee's death.....there was no cause of death, DNA, etc......
They did have a mountain of Casey's lies....which pointed to guilt.
Yep. Most people have a dead body in their trunk.
“The defense created doubt about the mother’s actual connection to Caylee’s death.....there was no cause of death, DNA, etc......”
“They did have a mountain of Casey’s lies....which pointed to guilt.”
You are confusing “doubt” with “reasonable doubt”...
“By confusing reasonable doubt with a reason to doubt. Some believe that thinking was in play in the Simpson case. After the verdict was read in the Simpson case, as the jury was leaving, one of them, I was later told, said: We think he probably did it. We just didnt think they proved it beyond a reasonable doubt. In every case, a defense attorney will do his or her best to give the jury a reason to doubt. “Some other dude did it,” or “some other dude threatened him.” But those reasons dont necessarily equate with a reasonable doubt. A reason does not equal reasonable. Sometimes, that distinction can get lost.”
” Durst lived happily ever after-his rich family bought out his share in the Durst real estate empire for about $50 million (the family was scared stiff of this deranged murderer and wanted to get rid of him). “
smart move ;-)
The jury had the ability to convict on murder 2 and man slaughter. They didn’t.
No one makes an accident look like a murder. That makes no sense. People try to make murders look like accidents.
The prosecution waited three years to bring this case to trial. How much longer should they have waited?
The jury was wrong.
I think the real problem in this case is that victim didn’t have anyone on her side who seeked justice. No one related to the victim want to see her murderer pay for the crime.
I'm pretty sure, in the jury room, that seed of doubt was magnified over and over again.
Certainly, to unpracticed laymen asked to decide life or death issues----"reasonable doubt" is one of the most ambiguous terms in the legal system.
Keep in mind, that to tolerant liberals, the greatest sin is "judging" others----even for the most heinous crimes.
The moral relativity atrocity surfaced about 25 years ago-----promulgated by the NEA, Planned Parenthood, and the rest of the Me-First types.
Shockingly, Hefner's infamous Playboy Philosophy has actually been written into US law.
These sap-happy relativists fervently believe that one is free to do whatever one feels is right for them. They refuse to acknowledge that there are consequences for ones actions. They gamely allow moral-absolutist views just as long as those views are not imposed on them.
But the moral relativity game is full of contradictions one of which is relativists' insistence on imposing moral relativity on others ..especially upon the malleable minds of youngsters (without parental knowledge or consent).
The relativists set-up a standard of behavior which they insist others follow, thereby violating the very thing they self-righteously defend. Tolerance is the singular cardinal virtue of the relativists, the One And Only absolute they tolerate. Ergo, intolerance is the only evil they recognize.
Dogmatic beliefespecially a belief in absolute truthis viewed by relativists as dreaded intolerance"..........the ultimate sin.
In the last analysis, accountability is what relativists are really rejecting when they reject absolute truth. Those who cling to the relativity view simply do not want to be accountable for their actions. If they are expected to acknowledge absolute truth, then they have to accept absolute standards of right and wrong, and that all of us are accountable to those standards.
We need to get back to the notion that there ARE consequences for one's behavior.
After almost 40 years working as a court reporter/stenographer in the military justice system, I have always felt that the instruction given to military panel members on reasonable doubt was excellent. When my mother was picked for civilian jury duty, before she actually served in a trial, she called me and asked me what I thought "reasonable doubt" meant. I read the "reasonable doubt" instruction from the Military Judges' Benchbook verbatim ...
"By "reasonable doubt" is intended not a fanciful or ingenious doubt or conjecture, but an honest, conscientious doubt suggested by the material evidence or lack of it in the case. It is an honest misgiving generated by insufficiency of proof of guilt. "Proof beyond a reasonable doubt" means proof to an evidentiary certainty, although not necessarily to an absolute or mathematical certainty. The proof must be such as to exclude not every hypothesis or possibility of innocence, but every fair and rational hypothesis except that of guilt. The rule as to reasonable doubt extends to every element of the offenses, although each particular fact advanced by the prosecution, which does not amount to an element, need not be established beyond a reasonable doubt. However, if, on the whole evidence, you are satisfied beyond a reasonable doubt of the truth of each and every element, then you should find the accused guilty."
I have also always felt that the circumstantial evidence instruction was very illuminating and read that to her as well ...
"Evidence may be direct or circumstantial. Direct evidence is evidence which tends directly to prove or disprove a fact in issue. If a fact in issue was whether it rained during the evening, testimony by a witness that he or she saw it rain would be direct evidence that it rained. On the other hand, circumstantial evidence is evidence which tends to prove some other fact from which, either alone or together with some other facts or circumstances, you may reasonably infer the existence or nonexistence of a fact in issue. If there was evidence that the street was wet in the morning, that would be circumstantial evidence from which might reasonably infer that it rained during the night in the absence of any intervening circumstance or fact. There is no general rule for determining or comparing the weight to be given to direct or circumstantial evidence. You should give all the evidence the weight and value you believe it deserves."
All the defense had to do was plant a nanosecond of doubt in the jury’s mind to get an innocent verdict-—which they did successfully.
I’m pretty sure, in the jury room, that seed of doubt was magnified over and over again.
Certainly, to unpracticed laymen asked to decide life or death issues——”reasonable doubt” is one of the most ambiguous terms in the legal system.
Reasonable doubt is not a nanosecond of doubt. Caylee drowning accidently with ductape over her mouth and then the father placing the body in a swamp to make it look like murder is not reasonable doubt. Then the the family went on national news blaming the missing child on a kidnapping nanny. That is ridiculous and perposterous doubt.
The real problem that I see with this case is that Caylee had know one related to her that wanted to see justice. Not her mother, not her uncle and not the grandparents. None of them helped police or the prosecutor. A prosecutor needs more than just physical evidence.
Makes sense to me-—but the Anthony jury was obviously not prone to sorting out convoluted analyses about doubt, circumstantial and actual evidence, difference between murder, manslaughter, etc.
A “rush to judgment” seems to be the only conclusion one can draw-——after only 11 hours of jury deliberation.
The jury was blindly wrong-——ignoring all of the physical evidence in favor of setting free “the happy single mom.”
The defense videos of Caylee and Casey having fun together seem to have resonated. That made it very hard to conceive that a happy mother would kill her playful child.
That's the norm - they never tell - it needs to be changed. If a person has killed before it IS important information.
Didn’t you say we need the person who killed Caylee?
We found the killer they just didn’t convict her!
NOW they are one of the 24 dumbest people on earth.
That was not proved it was a maybe event.
Agree They did have a mountain of Casey’s lies.
Maybe the DA learned how to handle the next case,one must tip toe when dealing with the law.
Did watch the trial but the had no proof of guilt only a lot what if’s,no sane person sends someone to death row on a lot maybe answers.
Name one point on the trial where the DA had proof of murder.Why do you think she got off?.
She had motive, means and opportunity. I will not go over the entire trial with you. If you didn’t watch it closely then you have no clue. They jury was just lazy and intelectually challenged. There is no other expaination. If this had happend in the 1960’s there would hve been a conviction. However we now live in a dumbed down society that wants to be spoon fed.
Wrongo ace, the jury could have convicted her of manslaughter and didn't.
What R U talking about?
Yikes. Sorry about the brain damage. Was the accident traumatic? Can you still function in society?
Please note that on Sunday the Jurors were already dressed in their best! it is believed that had the judge allowed them to work till 7-7:30 they would have turned in verdict Sunday PM. They were not happy that Judge Perry did not give them the case late Saturday night, thereby allowing their verdict Sunday afternoon.
” We need to get back to the notion that there ARE consequences for one’s behavior. “
You and I are living in the past, I fear.
Explanation the DA had no evidence it’s why she walked.What part don’t you understand?.
Facts the jurors received not what people think they heard.
Back away from the TV everything will be ok,normal will set in soon.
You clearly didn’t watch the trial. You are sick. I hope nobody ever murders anyone in you family. Why don’t you talk to Scott Peterson about this. Maybe he will tell you how Laci died. By your std their was NO EVIDENCE in that trial either.
Izzat you, Frantzie?
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