Professor Y.E.Kim: his theoretical analysis could explain the E-Cat?

E-Cat News ^ | July 8 2011 | Y E Kim

[JoeFromSidney]

I had been thinking the continued electricity was needed to maintain some sort of electric field condition.

As I read the article, the heater was needed to bring the material above the Curie temperature, destroying ferromagnetism, and allowing a couplet to be formed with no net magnetic spin.

[Wonder Warthog]

"Rossi has had a hard go of it. Years ago, he didn’t understand why it worked, just that it did and he didn’t know how to explain why it worked. I’m not sure that he does yet. I believe he is hoping the university deep thinker, all brain types will find those answers and be able to explain it to the scientist types."

At risk of being untrue to my "scientist" background, I personally don't care whether or not he can explain it. What counts is that it works. EXPERIMENT RULES, BABY!!

And if it does work, he will have redeemed his somewhat stormy past.....BIG TIME. My own personal take is that he is really a stifled idealist who has had some really bad breaks, but every time things have turned to sh*t, he has come back to trying to do things that benefit both mankind and the environment. EVERY technical effort he has worked on has been to those ends. And those choices are NOT the actions of a "scammer".

Heck, if he wanted to make big bucks with scams, he needed to go into financial management.

[grey_whiskers]

At risk of being untrue to my "scientist" background, I personally don't care whether or not he can explain it. What counts is that it works. EXPERIMENT RULES, BABY!!

No less than Dick Feynman agrees with you.

And yes, my doctorate is in quantum mechanical scattering theory.

Cheers!

[oneolcop]

According to what (I think) I read, the external heat helps initiate the desired reaction then further enhances the process. Strictly speaking, the heat is not necessary for continued reaction. Nevertheless, the amount of heat generated by the reaction exceeds the power used by the external heater. The coolant is water that is heated past boiling to produce steam.

Rossi has, in essence, said that the units thus far developed are rudimentary and will likely be improved as time and experimentation goes on.

[Kevmo]

It could be that the LENR reaction is still so sporadic that it cannot be counted on reliably to produce the heat.

[The Cajun]

Well my believability meter has switched to slightly positive.....again.

Talk about *Mr. Frog's wild ride* if this thing proves out.

[BallandPowder]

Powder..patch..ball FIRE!

I’m so excited!

I’m beginning to think this could be put together in a well equipped machine shop anywhere in the world....

Tie a closed circuit turbine or stirling cycle engine and run a small town.

[BallandPowder]

Powder..patch..ball FIRE!

Steam boilers w/turbines...

http://www.tradelinemachinery.com/list2.php?group=15

[BallandPowder]

One more time...

Coal fired plant... plug in an E-Cat in place of the coal fired boilers voila - Zero carbon emissions.

http://www.firecad.net/

[Kevmo]

Well my believability meter has switched to slightly positive.....again.
***My believability meter has been notched positive for some time now. When Krivit’s criticisms were dismantled by the folks at Vortex-L, it notched positive and has been staying there, inching forward.

Here’s another thing that makes my believability meter stay positive:

http://www.esowatch.com/en/index.php?title=Focardi-Rossi_Energy-Catalyzer

In June 2011, U.S. attorney David Niebauer from San Francisco added an entry to his blog, reporting he had met with Rossi. Rossi explained he was still looking for a partner to realize a 1 MW small power plant in the United States. He claimed to have offered a demonstration to NASA, but only if they agree to purchase an operating plant once his device obtained the expected efficiency.[76]

Read more: http://www.esowatch.com/en/index.php?title=Focardi-Rossi_Energy-Catalyzer#ixzz1RiDxNdsa

Someone who’s pushing a scam would not tell NASA to buzz of if they don’t wanna buy a plant. The Wright brothers took this approach in the 1905 timeframe. For about 2 years they knew they had a good working aeroplane and had perfected it as much as they could. They were getting constant requests for demonstrations. Their answer was, “we’d be happy to demonstrate it to you, if you will order x number of our airplanes as a result”. For 2 years, no one would sign on the dotted line. (What does that say about the folks who were asking/demanding demonstrations?) Finally, the US Army said they would order some, and the Wright brothers were happy to demonstrate it.

[Kevmo]

Coal fired plants seem to be shutting down, about 1 or 2 a month. Rossi could pick them up for pennies on the dollar.

[citizen]

“Coal fired plants seem to be shutting down, about 1 or 2 a month. Rossi could pick them up for pennies on the dollar.

Yes...but how long before an enviro friendly EPA drafts regulations to shackle these e-cat power plants? The fact that are no longer primarily coal fired will make little difference. To the enviro whackos they are still, or were, dirty power plants. They will find something “dangerous” that must be regulated...for our own good, of course.

I wrote “primarily coal fired” because one of these threads speculated that the e-cat generated steam wasn’t sufficient to run turbines at the level of optimum electricity generation. Meaning that coal fired superheaters would be needed to raise the temperature of the steam. >>>So, to the EPA et al., they will still be “dirty power plants”, if this is so.

[GOPJ]

The methods and standards for engineering research are a bit "looser" than for pure science. As I used to design instrumentation for use in engineering research (and production), I've worked under both regimes. In many cases, I have seen the engineers turn things over to the "pure science" guys to "dot the i's and cross the t's", just as Rossi is doing with the Bologna and Upsala folks.

So you're saying this holds promise?

[GOPJ]

The methods and standards for engineering research are a bit "looser" than for pure science. As I used to design instrumentation for use in engineering research (and production), I've worked under both regimes. In many cases, I have seen the engineers turn things over to the "pure science" guys to "dot the i's and cross the t's", just as Rossi is doing with the Bologna and Upsala folks.

So you're saying this holds promise?

[citizen]

Note to self: I suppose that natural gas could be used instead of coal to superheat the e-cat steam. This would remove the coal stigma from the equation but it would come at what would seem to be an unnecessary expence. Instead, why not use coal and put the cost of converting to natural gas into scrubbing the emissions from the coal combustion used in the superheaters? Even in an e-cat world, we would be foolish not to continue using our abundant coal resources wherever possible.

[aquila48]

ping for later

[aquila48]

I found this basic primer on Bose-Einstein condensate for those of you like me who need it.

http://www.colorado.edu/physics/2000/bec/index.html

[Kevmo]

Thanks.

I got lost here. It seems counterintuitive that shining lasers on atoms would cool them; it seems like a laser would warm them.

the first step here is to shine laser light on the atoms to cool them to about 1/10,000 of a degree above Absolute zero

> 304375th

[aquila48]

If you go to the next step, he explains the concept. By the way, it’s our current secretary of energy, Steven Chu, who got a nobel price in physics for coming up with the idea.

[Kevmo]

The guys on Vortex-L have been discussing this theory. I found what Axil says to be very relevant:

http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg49015.html

Re: [Vo]:Purdue paper Bose-Einstein Condensation Nuclear Fusion
Axil Axil
Sat, 09 Jul 2011 10:29:35 -0700 >From Kim’s paper
“additives used (not disclosed in the patent application) form Ni alloy and/or Ni metal/alloy oxide in the surface regions of nickel nano-scale particles, so that Ni atoms/nuclei become mobile with a sufficiently large diffusion coefficient”

I can’t see how nickel atoms become detached from the lattice and float around in the hydrogen envelope then combine with an assemblage of zero spin cooper pair positive hydrogen ions. Fusion would occur in the hydrogen envelope and not in the lattice.

If this were possible, the byproducts of the resulting fusions would not be imbedded in the lattice of the ash.

Ergo, Bose Einstein condensation is not a factor in the Rossi process,IMHO.

On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 9:48 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson < svj.orionwo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> FWIW,
>,
> I sometimes get the sense that Fran’s theory might come the closest to
> explaining what my unorthodox source the “Witch Doctor” files would
> seem to suggest might be going on with Rossi's eCats.
>
> However, I hasten to add that this is just speculation on my part.
>
> One thing for sure, I wish I understood Fran’s theory better. :-(
>
> Regards,
> Steven Vincent Johnson
> www.OrionWorks.com