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Analysis of M.E. Report of Caylee - [Vanity]
Vanity | 7/9/2011 | Self

Posted on 07/09/2011 3:32:01 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen

From the Medical Examiner’s Report on Caylee Anthony: _________________________________________________________

Conclusion/Opinion: As often is the case with a skeletonized individual, the exact cause of death cannot be determined with certainty. The manner of death is an opinion based on available information, including circumstances surrounding the death, information from the scene, and examination of the skeletal remains.

The circumstances of death are that this toddler child, with no known medical history, was not reported missing to authorities for approximately 30 days. This child’s remains were eventually found in a wooded, overgrown area, discarded with two trash bags and a laundry bag. Although there is no trauma evident on the skeleton, there is duct tape over the lower facial region still attached to head hair. This duct tape was clearly placed prior to decomposition, keeping the mandible in place.

The clustering of vertebrae at the scene separate from the location of the bags and skull indicate animal activity occurring at this location after decomposition started, but before complete disarticulation of the skeleton. This indicates the body was put in this location prior to complete skeletonization. The roots growing into the vertebrae and bags indicate that the body was placed there months prior to being found. There is nothing inconsistent with the body being placed there soon after the date of being last seen alive.

It is, thus, my opinion that, although the cause of death cannot be determined with certainty, the manner of death is homicide.


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To: CynicalBear

Yeah, ALL of those investigators and forensics are faulty according to Baez. He also threw drowning against the wall with ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE.

There would have to be some huge conspiracy for everyone to be wrong and Baez to be right.

Maybe you should read ALL the evidence instead of commenting on a trial you obviously know nothing ot little about.


51 posted on 07/10/2011 1:41:34 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: kcvl
>> a chemical consistent with chloroform was found on fabric from the left and right sides of the trunk liner.<<

WHAT IS CHLOROFORM?
http://mmr.org/IRP/genprog/riskinfo/chlorofr.htm

Chloroform, also called trichloromethane, is a colorless liquid with a pleasant odor and a slight, sweet taste. It dissolves easily in water. Chloroform is both a synthetic and naturally-occurring compound, although sources from humans, such as septic systems and other water treatment processes involving chlorination, are responsible for most of the chloroform in the environment. Chloroform enters the air and water from some industrial processes, leaking containers, and waste disposal. It also is a byproduct of the chlorination of drinking water, municipal and industrial wastewater, and swimming pool and spa water. Chloroform may also enter the environment via the chemical breakdown of chlorinated compounds. The Anthoney’s had a pool right? Throw a wet bathing suit and towel in the trunk and……? Or stop off at the store and pick up pool chemicals,,some spills and...?

>> The state identified the wrong can in court Monday for key witness Dr. Arpad Vass. As a result, Ashton on Tuesday called Vass to the stand and showed him the actual can.<<

Yes, for certain it was that can. Wait, no, it was the other can for sure. LOL

52 posted on 07/10/2011 1:56:10 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: kcvl
>>Maybe you should read ALL the evidence instead of commenting on a trial you obviously know nothing ot little about.<<

Obviously? Other then the fact I came up with the same conclusion that the jury did? The investigators and the prosecution screwed up.

53 posted on 07/10/2011 2:01:02 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: PieterCasparzen
Occam's razor. The defense attorney stated in court that George helped dispose of the body. Who did he help Pieter? Simple, he helped Casey. But he claimed that Caylee had drowned in the pool. However, the baby was found with duct tape on her head stuffed in a garbage bag and tossed in the swamp. Did a molester put the duct tape on Caylee's head no matter whether it slipped or didn't slip? Well according to the defense attorney there was no molester only an abuser. Her name is Casey Anthony.

You're verbose but dense. When the defense attorney states that the baby was disposed of with the help of George, just who the hell do you think George was helping, the local child molester?

If you want to argue that the death was accidental and thus she should not have been convicted of murder, fine. But to argue that the duct tape, garbage bag and tossing of the body into the swamp wasn't the doing of Casey Anthony is unreasonable bordering on insane.

Comprende?

54 posted on 07/10/2011 3:32:36 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: CynicalBear
Impossible for chloroform to stay present for months and months in an area.

First of all it wasn't "months and months" from the time Casey disposed of her baby and samples were taken from the trunk. Secondly, both prosecution scientist and defense scientist found chloroform in the trunk. Prosectors witness found it in quantities 10,000 times normal levels. Defense's witness says it was in smaller quantities but admits prosecutions witness methodology is better than what he used.

But what's the point you are arguing? The defense attorney stated in court that the body was disposed of by George who was helping 'somebody'. Somebody of course is Casey.

The body was undoubtedly in that trunk and the prosecutors scientist explained that the trash contained no organics. So where'd the chloroform come from and why did they put the baby in a garbage back and wrap duct tape somewhere on her head?

Is Baez lying?

55 posted on 07/10/2011 4:09:08 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: CynicalBear
Throw a wet bathing suit and towel in the trunk and……?

You've gone from arguing that there could be no possibility of chloroform in the trunk "months and months" later to last years wet bathing suit caused the elevated levels of chloroform. The lengths some people go to to avoid the reasonable and rational is amazing.

Or stop off at the store and pick up pool chemicals,,some spills and...?

And what? Cl can not break down to CHCl3. But I'm heartened to know you now accept the fact that chloroform, and in high levels, was found in that trunk.

56 posted on 07/10/2011 4:18:12 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
>>So where'd the chloroform come from and why did they put the baby in a garbage back and wrap duct tape somewhere on her head?<<

If investigators and the prosecution would have done a better job we may all have known the answers to those questions. I’m amazed that after almost 3 years of investigation they bungled so much. Putting the trash from the trunk in a dryer before analyzing it, relying on science that had not even been peer reviewed allowing for doubts, claiming the wrong can contained samples etc. Even the “opinion” statements of homicide were uncalled for. Using “opinion” twice in the autopsy results doesn’t give much confidence to the jury to make a judgment concerning a life.

57 posted on 07/10/2011 4:23:19 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: jwalsh07
But to argue that the duct tape, garbage bag and tossing of the body into the swamp wasn't the doing of Casey Anthony is unreasonable bordering on insane.

Don't cast your pearls before nitwits. There is not a more fruitless endeavor.
58 posted on 07/10/2011 4:36:46 PM PDT by ZX12R
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To: jwalsh07
>>And what? Cl can not break down to CHCl3.<<

Chloroform is used to produce fluorocarbon-22, oxybisphenoxarsine, 1,3-diisocyanate, and pharmaceuticals. Chloroform can be formed as a by-product of chlorinated water in swimming pools, tap water, cooling towers, and air stripping towers (ARB, 1990). More chloroform can be produced in drinking water during the summer than in the winter where drinking water is often dispersed and aerated, speeding the evaporation of chloroform (GCA, 1984). Chloroform may evaporate from tap water while showering with estimated concentrations ranging from 0.02 to 0.05 ppb. Chloroform is also formed by the aqueous reaction of chlorine with organic matter in the cooling water (ARB, 1990a).

Chloroform can also be produced when substances containing chlorine are added to the process waters used to bleach wood pulp. Chloroform is formed from the aqueous reaction of chlorine with organic substances in the wood pulp and then can be released to the air during the bleaching process and when effluents are released to receiving waters (ARB, 1990a).

http://scorecard.goodguide.com/chemical-profiles/html/chloroform.html

59 posted on 07/10/2011 4:37:09 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: Anselma

The Fusion club, etc., the whole crowd, i.e., her “friends”, that’s a suspect-rich environment. The boyfriend, etc., would have spent time with Casey. They all seem to be saying they had no idea she was this “crazy”; that sort of talk, from the one or two guys I saw interview clips with. Again, they all may be knowing what “went down” both during the crime and in the courtroom, and all understanding that if nobody talks, everybody walks.

That’s where I would have investigated, but asked them all about their views of the world, get them talking, just get huge depositions, with some day/date particulars sprinkled in throughout. Much harder for someone to keep a fake timeline straight in their mind under that kind of friendly but long interrogation. A few other techniques as well. I’ve always found that if you listen, you find out things.

The departments that handled this case demonstrated that they will never be able to solve this, so they really, most unfortunately, should not waste another penny on it. If someone speaks out, possibly years from now, the case might break, but it’s highly doubtful. When you think about it logically, Casey has no reason to talk - she was acquitted and the last thing she wants to see is the inside of a courtroom - for any reason. And all the drug-sex-cabal she’s involved with, the bella vita crowd, no one is ratting on anyone, I don’t believe. All they would have to look forward to is prosecution.

My questions are for George and Cindy. If they are under the belief that this was an accident, it would make sense that they feel closure and no need to find out anything else. If they believe that Casey murdered Caylee, they may be very upset, but Casey can’t be tried again. But they would probably be utterly tired of Casey’s lifestyle. If they think someone else murdered Caylee, they would presumably want to see the murderer identified and then tried and convicted. So it will be interesting to see what they do over the years...


60 posted on 07/10/2011 11:23:06 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (It's not difficult.)
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To: CynicalBear

Here’s one, talking about desperate investigations, when they brought Casey to the medical facility to hear the TV broadcast when they found the body. These are hundreds of pages of deposition of two officers at the facility, aparently Baez was concerned about the treatment. It looks like investigators desperate to know whether or not Casey actually committed the crime, and this is in December of 2008. If they knew that she did it they never would never have done this.

http://itsamysterytome.wordpress.com/2009/07/26/deposition-transcript-of-sgt-billy-richardson-taken-by-casey-anthonys-defense-team/

Here are the two links if you can’t get to them from above.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/6629068/Casey-Anthony-Bill-Richardson

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/6629027/Casey-Anthony-Tammy-Uncer-transcript-1-june-2009


61 posted on 07/10/2011 11:32:03 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (It's not difficult.)
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To: CynicalBear

” A nurse would understand that wouldn’t they? Who was the nurse? “

The nurse was Cindy Anthony, now slated for an Emmy award for the best performance on tv of a faking grieving relative-—no wait a second, both George and Cindy were very believable as grieving grandparents and the only person left with access to the car was slutmom!

So much compelling evidence is ignored by people like you enamored with what is called the csi effect. Slutmom even claimed she spoke to Csylee on July 15th.

What the prosecution failed to show was how desperate a criminal slutmom was. She HAD to leave the Anthony house at the point she did. But she had no money and nowhere to go. Wait, you say, she could go to Tony’s. Not for the night. Not with Caylee. He forbid it. She was desperate to keep Tony, to convince him not to go without her. In her mind, she had no choice. Her diary entries speak volumes.


62 posted on 07/12/2011 5:42:53 AM PDT by at bay (My father was born with 28 ounces of flesh in 1924 then went on to become Mr. (Glenn) Holland.)
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To: at bay
>> Slutmom even claimed she spoke to Csylee on July 15th.<<

Well, there you have it! The smoking gun, the admission of guilt. The statement that ties it all together. /s

63 posted on 07/12/2011 6:09:58 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

You know, once you made the argument that if you go to bed and wake up to fresh snow, although you did not see it snow, you can conclude it did—and you stated, no, it could have been trucks brought in filled with snow—I am only responding to you so that others of sound mind can get a glimpse into the kind of absurd reasoning the jurors must have engaged in.

The fake conversation slutmom claimed occurred with Caylee weeks after Caylee was killed is one more compelling piece of evidence against her. I do concede some of the evidence presented by the state did not impress me-—dogs alerting where no video was taken, and the trainer saying in essence “trust me, my dog alerted.”. But your response kind of indicates the general obtuseness of your thinking. It’s as though you cannot combine all of the proven facts and circumstances as a whole picture. You can’t see the forest as you attempt to dissect all of the csi type trees.

And you probably would never bring common sense into the equation. But for fun here’s an offer-—go to 5 used car lots, open 100 trunks and tell me if you find one unclean or badly stained. Common sense tells me dealers will do whatever it takes to detail a car thoroughly. To do otherwise is to work against yourself. So Lee lied about this one issue, or was wrong. Got a big stain or a bag of garbage in your trunk?

There are classes you can take in logic. There used to be, and probably still is, a game called wffnproof that teaches logic, so it can be a learned skill.

“No one makes an accident look like a murder” such a simple concept but beyond the common sense of this jury. I would be curious about the life choices of people lacking the common sense gene, like the jury and you.


64 posted on 07/12/2011 7:13:41 AM PDT by at bay (My father was born with 28 ounces of flesh in 1924 then went on to become Mr. (Glenn) Holland.)
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To: at bay
>>You know, once you made the argument that if you go to bed and wake up to fresh snow, although you did not see it snow, you can conclude it did—<<

LOL My wife warned me that by playing with your head you’d probably take it serious and go bonkers. My first thought had been to explain that we live so far south that if there was that much snow on the ground there is no way unless the earth had switched axis. You see, I don’t take you seriously. The jury spent 44 hours in the courtroom and was focused on this case for weeks and weeks. Then they were instructed on what legal grounds they could come to a verdict. It’s preposterous to think that we could come to a conclusion in the same way they did.

>>“No one makes an accident look like a murder”<<

Unless someone is trying to make it look like murder to cover for someone else. Casey took Caylee with her to friends and left them in the care of them while she went and partied. The room mate of her boyfriend was one of those. Why do you assume Casey did it rather then one of those friends? The body was then put in the trunk and George helped after realizing that Casey had not reported it to protect her.

You see. I can speculate just as you can. The difference is that you speculate that she did it for sure and the jury and others of us say the prosecution didn’t prove that.

65 posted on 07/12/2011 7:48:16 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear

” The jury spent 44 hours in the courtroom”

Now you say Moronsky
And that makes me smile
I haven’t seen Moronsky
In a little while

But looking back unto your posts
I saw that you felt you really shined
Giving me a taste of arguing with a penguine

(or a bear for that matter)

You believe its reasonable doubt byspeculating that slutmom, the ever loyal noble friend, risk her life at trial to cover for someone else. Oh wait, not noble, threatened, and they can carry out that threat while she’s in jail, yeah cuz it’s law enforcement covering up their use of the child in a ritual sacrifice done during promotion festivities—yeah that’s the ticket....


66 posted on 07/12/2011 9:39:54 AM PDT by at bay (My father was born with 28 ounces of flesh in 1924 then went on to become Mr. (Glenn) Holland.)
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To: at bay
In answer to your freepmail I have never had an IQ test and really don’t care what yours is. If you think IQ is related to logic I would direct your attention to all the high IQ liberals.

That’s the second time you have tried the freepmail route and I’ll say it again. It’s chickensheite.

67 posted on 07/12/2011 10:02:11 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear
I didn't want to embarrass you publicly because I would bet money it's in the 80's range. You simply don't have the ability to reason very well. I will concede your point about liberals with high IQs. What explains their misguided views is their backgrounds as well as their disdain for the constitution as the supreme law of the land.
68 posted on 07/12/2011 10:24:56 AM PDT by at bay (My father was born with 28 ounces of flesh in 1924 then went on to become Mr. (Glenn) Holland.)
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To: at bay
>>I didn't want to embarrass you publicly because I would bet money it's in the 80's range.<<

Is that the way you make most of your decisions? By making assumptions. And no, I would think that you used freepmail because you knew that it was a form of getting personal and would be chastised by the powers that be.

You probably thought that by telling me what your IQ is was going to impress me. It didn’t. I’ve had discussions with flaming liberals and atheists who have higher IQ’s then you do. In fact, the liberal colleges are replete with high IQ liberals and atheists. It could generally be said that it’s those of high IQ who have put this country in the situation it is in today.

>>You simply don't have the ability to reason very well.<<

Debating or reasoning skills are not tied to IQ. I have witnessed that high IQ has no direct correlation to common sense. It does seem to have a direct correlation to deviousness and deceit however.

69 posted on 07/12/2011 11:05:03 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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