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Believers In Mysterious Planet Nibiru Await Earth's End
space.com ^ | 7 July 2011 | Natalie Wolchover

Posted on 07/10/2011 11:13:53 AM PDT by smokingfrog

Renowned astrophysicist Carl Sagan once described a "baloney detection kit" — a set of tools that skeptical thinkers use to investigate any new concept. A few of the key tools include a healthy distrust of information that isn't independently verified, critically assessing an idea rather than becoming irrationally attached to it simply because it's intriguing, and a preference for simple explanations over wildly speculative ones.

The waxing obsession with Nibiru, which conspiracy theorists say is a planet swinging in from the outskirts of our solar system that is going to crash into Earth and wipe out humanity in 2012 — or, in some opinions, 2011 — shows that an astonishing number of people "are watching YouTube videos and visiting slick websites with nothing in their skeptical toolkit," in the words of David Morrison, a planetary astronomer at NASA Ames Research Center and senior scientist at the NASA Astrobiology Institute.

Morrison estimates that there are 2 million websites discussing the impending Nibiru-Earth collision. He receives, on average, five email inquiries about Nibiru every day.

"At least a once a week I get a message from a young person — as young as 11 — who says they are ill and/or contemplating suicide because of the coming doomsday," Morrison told Life's Little Mysteries, a sister site to SPACE.com.

What's the origin of this mass panic about Nibiru, which astronomers say doesn't exist?

(Excerpt) Read more at space.com ...


TOPICS: Astronomy; Chit/Chat; Science
KEYWORDS: catastrophism; nancylieder; nibiru; zechariasitchin
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1 posted on 07/10/2011 11:13:58 AM PDT by smokingfrog
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To: smokingfrog

I wonder if these skeptics apply the same scrutiny to global waming, communism, socialism, and multiculturalism.


2 posted on 07/10/2011 11:22:39 AM PDT by LukeL (Barack Obama: Jimmy Carter 2 Electric Boogaloo)
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To: smokingfrog

Oh, is this the planet Obama is from..?


3 posted on 07/10/2011 11:29:39 AM PDT by verum ago (A liberal's mind is like a single action revolver with a bobbed hammer)
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To: LukeL

I believe Carl Sagan’s “baloney-detection kit” was set to not detect a number of things you mentioned here.


4 posted on 07/10/2011 11:29:49 AM PDT by attiladhun2 (The Free World has a new leader--his name is Benjamin Netanyahu)
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To: smokingfrog

5 posted on 07/10/2011 11:31:52 AM PDT by Daffynition ("Don't just live your life, but witness it also.")
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To: LukeL
Unfortunately with global warming, the indicators are mixed. Something’s happening, but we don't know what are the immediate causes and what we can do about it. The others are merely political programs, which can't be ascertained scientifically.
6 posted on 07/10/2011 11:33:10 AM PDT by GAB-1955 (I write books, love my wife, serve my nation, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: smokingfrog

If it’s not true, then why right an article about it? It will not matter right?


7 posted on 07/10/2011 11:35:28 AM PDT by Sprite518
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To: LukeL

I highly doubt it. LOL... Well said!


8 posted on 07/10/2011 11:36:46 AM PDT by Sprite518
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To: smokingfrog

What will be will be. I am more than a little sick of all these doomsday stories. No way to live, dreading disaster from every angle.


9 posted on 07/10/2011 11:42:03 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: smokingfrog

Be assured that when it doesn’t happen, Obama will take full credit


10 posted on 07/10/2011 11:43:01 AM PDT by DirtyDawg (eat fruit)
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To: smokingfrog
"Did You-sir say Naboo?"


11 posted on 07/10/2011 11:46:49 AM PDT by 6SJ7 (atlasShruggedInd = TRUE)
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To: LukeL
"I wonder if these skeptics apply the same scrutiny to global waming, communism, socialism, and multiculturalism."

EXACTLY - well said!!!

12 posted on 07/10/2011 11:57:18 AM PDT by NordP (Common Sense ConservaTEAves - Love of Country, Less Govt, Stop Spending, No Govt Run Health Care!!!)
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To: attiladhun2
I believe Carl Sagan’s “baloney-detection kit” was set to not detect a number of things you mentioned here.

Remember Sagan's prediction of something like a nuclear winter, with global temperatures dropping and a new ice age beginning, when Sadam set fire to the Kuwaiti oil fields in Gulf War I?

13 posted on 07/10/2011 11:58:42 AM PDT by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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To: smokingfrog
Nibiru is real and I have the sole franchise to sell real estate on beautiful Nibiru. Ocean front lots are available and beautiful mountain views are going fast.

For as little as $10,000 you can have a 40 acre ranchette in the west of the major continent, Scambia. Call now, 1-800-555-scam

14 posted on 07/10/2011 12:01:28 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing an idiot)
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To: Ditter

The Nibiru theories are especially ignorant.

We’re supposed to believe there’s a planet (Some say larger than Jupiter) hurtling toward an impact or near pass with earth in the next year or so yet we can’t detect it.


15 posted on 07/10/2011 12:11:23 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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16 posted on 07/10/2011 12:11:26 PM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.)
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To: smokingfrog

2012?

I think there is a higher probability that Obama will have been key to a nuclear holocaust just prior to that as he has already change the war trajectory for the Mid East. He needs it for two reasons.... to use America to complete the caliphate and 2) deny elections making him America’s supreme leader....Der Fuhrer.


17 posted on 07/10/2011 12:24:33 PM PDT by himno hero ("Armageddon is well seeded, America will pay"... Barrack Obama's vision)
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To: smokingfrog
About 2,000 years ago, God fulfilled all the previous prophecies concerning what would become of mankind. His Son became flesh and walked among us, fulfilling yet even more prophecies by his miracles done out in open, public view.

His ministry to us culminated in his willing death to atone for our fallen state in sin; made available to those of us that believe.

As proof of God's acceptance of that sacrifice, He raised His Son; thereby defeating death, and the uncertainty behind it that plagues the human race; for those of us that believe. The historicity of the Resurrection has already been established. It's not something of legend as Dr. Simon Greenleaf would later find out as a founder of Harvard Law School. The evidence stands.

He has also written the remaining chapter of the human experience. We are seeing some of it played out in world events even today.

Yes, the earth will be destroyed and remade. But our future doesn't include being smashed by another planet. It does include unbelievers, scoffers, and their likes being smashed with the reality of the Word of God. And that is described as a Terrible Day.

So let's dispense with “cunningly devised fables” and point people to truth. Our Founding Fathers knew about truth, and fashioned a country out of it. They didn't force truth on people; but they did make known their convictions.

Our nation is in disarray because we entertain such vain thoughts. It takes courage to stand for truth. Any wimp can make up a fable.

Blessings.

18 posted on 07/10/2011 12:27:25 PM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: cripplecreek
We’re supposed to believe there’s a planet (Some say larger than Jupiter) hurtling toward an impact or near pass with earth in the next year or so yet we can’t detect it.

But what if we are wrong and there is such a planet? Are you willing to take that chance?

We cannot afford to sit by and do nothing. We must have a world government and a tax on all fuels so that we can say to our children that we did everything possible to stop this disaster.

The time to act is now.

19 posted on 07/10/2011 12:27:25 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: cripplecreek
It is just another example of the “look at me, look at me” attempt to be noticed. “I am relevant, I am important, I got published!”. “I am not beautiful, handsome, or smart so I'll cut my hair in a mohawk and dye it green”.
20 posted on 07/10/2011 12:31:42 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: cripplecreek

That is because it can only be seen from the lower hemisphere. It can only be seen just before dawn. However, this will change to the upper hemisphere in very late August early September.

It should be visible around September 10th of this year. When we have a good look at it then the debate (for the majority) will be over.


21 posted on 07/10/2011 12:39:11 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: Sprite518
That is because it can only be seen from the lower hemisphere. It can only be seen just before dawn. However, this will change to the upper hemisphere in very late August early September.

Are the astronomers blind in the southern hemisphere? Our orbiting telescopes and various detection devices don't work when their orbit dips below the equator?
22 posted on 07/10/2011 12:46:27 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Raycpa
The time to act is now.

Then I'm going looting because something like that would be completely unstoppable and will exterminate all of mankind.
23 posted on 07/10/2011 12:48:29 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: smokingfrog

Looks like I can hold off repainting the house.


24 posted on 07/10/2011 12:55:33 PM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: smokingfrog
There is always something cooking in the Crock pot.
25 posted on 07/10/2011 12:59:19 PM PDT by JPG (Sarah is ready to rock 'n roll!)
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To: GAB-1955
Unfortunately with global warming, the indicators are mixed. Something’s happening, but we don't know what are the immediate causes and what we can do about it.

It's no mystery, if you look at climate history. The AGW folks keep talking about "the warmest temperatures in 150 years". Well, that's easy to say, because 150 years ago, we were coming out of the Dalton minimum, which included the LOWEST temps since the Middle Ages. But the MSM never mentions that part, because it's clear that humans didn't cause the last climate swing, so it would cast suspicion on the supposed human causes today.

26 posted on 07/10/2011 12:59:48 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Raycpa

What kind of “act” should we being doing?

I know a group (((hug)))) should do it. :D


27 posted on 07/10/2011 1:04:00 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: GAB-1955
"Unfortunately with global warming, the indicators are mixed. Something’s happening, but we don't know what are the immediate causes and what we can do about it."

Baloney! There are no "mixed indicators."
Something is happening? What?

There's nothing happening except a massive propaganda program by the marxist enviro-commies to rob America and the rest the developed world of its wealth. These would-be Luddite communist tyrants cannot stand the thought of free and independent people.

28 posted on 07/10/2011 1:11:02 PM PDT by StormEye
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To: Ditter

We can start by making me king of the world and letting me tax everyone. Then I can hire the brightest minds to come up with a solution.


29 posted on 07/10/2011 1:12:12 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Ditter

Well if the epoxyclips is coming, I’m sticking up on 3 in 1 oil.


30 posted on 07/10/2011 1:16:55 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: cripplecreek
Then I'm going looting because something like that would be completely unstoppable and will exterminate all of mankind.

Not me...I'm flying down south for some wings and a couple of cold Newcastles...

31 posted on 07/10/2011 1:20:14 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: smokingfrog
The waxing obsession with Nibiru, which conspiracy theorists say is a planet swinging in from the outskirts of our solar system that is going to crash into Earth and wipe out humanity in 2012 — or, in some opinions, 2011 — shows that an astonishing number of people "are watching YouTube videos and visiting slick websites with nothing in their skeptical toolkit," in the words of David Morrison, a planetary astronomer at NASA Ames Research Center and senior scientist at the NASA Astrobiology Institute.

If Morrison were to apply a modicum of skeptical thinking to the subject, he might realize that plenty of people are following this purely for the entertainment value.

In a similar vein, that's how many scientifically-inclined readers treat articles that appear in Nature magazine, Scientific American, and the like...

32 posted on 07/10/2011 1:38:09 PM PDT by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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To: cripplecreek

No our Astronomers can see it from the Southern Hemisphere. I know we have various telescopes all over South America and even Antarctica to view the sky we cannot see in the Northern Hemisphere.


33 posted on 07/10/2011 1:39:12 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: smokingfrog

I’ve come to believe the biggest disaster to befall the world in 2012 would be the reelection of 0bama.


34 posted on 07/10/2011 1:44:20 PM PDT by Islander7 (There is no septic system so vile, so filthy, the left won't drink from to further their agenda)
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To: smokingfrog

I believe the origin for the idea of Nibaru can be found in Zecharia Sitchin’s books. Another name that’s been assigned by a few renegade astronomers to such a hypothetical planet with an elliptical, cometary-style orbit is “Nemesis.”

If you want to read cosmically catastrophic scenarios for the current configuration of the Solar System, try the ideas of Walt Thornhill and his friends over at Thunderbolts. They’ve updated Velikovskian ideas with more up-to-date electrodynamics. Couple that up with a free hand in the interpretation of legend and you’ll find stuff that can curl your hair.

The idea of another large planet which has yet to be found in trans-Plutonian orbit is more widely accepted; it’s used to explain some of the orbital eccentricities of the outermost observed planets.

All is mist for the grill; I do fall out of lockstep with Sagan, though, on his assertion that extraordinary claims require extraordinary proofs. Its unthinking acceptance can impede the progress of science; witness what happened to Flieschmann and Pons...


35 posted on 07/10/2011 2:07:16 PM PDT by earglasses (I was blind, and now I hear...)
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To: smokingfrog

You should see some of the paranoid rants on youtube about it.
Search for, of all things, “planet X”, “tyche”, “Nibiru”, and.. get this, “herculobus”.
Your mind will melt from the sheer stupidity expressed therein.


36 posted on 07/10/2011 2:12:37 PM PDT by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: smokingfrog
Planet Nibiru - fake as Planet Kolob - fake as Planet Xenu
37 posted on 07/10/2011 2:14:29 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (This message carfully checkd to misteakes by powerful softwhere)
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To: cripplecreek
It is probably comin’ and you can stick up on 3 in 1 oil if that makes you feel safe, but I am stocking up on it!
38 posted on 07/10/2011 2:26:35 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Raycpa

hhhmmmmmmm........ Ray......... NO!


39 posted on 07/10/2011 2:28:38 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: cripplecreek

Hell, some people believe it is a brown dwarf star and will yank Earf out of orbit around our sun and carry us off to deep space. You’d think if this were really about to happen FEMA would be rounding up everybody with guns, it would be the perfect excuse to disarm the citizens.

I’m more worried about the Zombie Apocalypse since I live in Garland.


40 posted on 07/10/2011 2:52:43 PM PDT by West Texas Chuck (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. That should be a convenience store, not a Government Agency.)
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To: smokingfrog

These scientist are idiots. There is enough proof that something is out there. And that the summerians pretty much described it before any technology was there to see it. And I say that if they dismiss this why do they believe so much in Global Warming. Idiots.


41 posted on 07/10/2011 3:17:10 PM PDT by crazydad
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To: StormEye
The Australians seemed to be convinced there is climate change, and there is some melting around the Antarctic icecap. Obviously that might be solar, it might be ocean current, it might be something else. It doesn't justify Gilland’s carbon tax, and that's going to get her out of office pretty quickly.
42 posted on 07/10/2011 3:21:03 PM PDT by GAB-1955 (I write books, love my wife, serve my nation, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: Islander7

Heres my prediction for 2012. Obamas administration is going to be in deep water over the F and F, gunwalker scandals and they are going to be getting impeached. He will be like a rat trapped. His ego is like Hilters. He will think to himself that “America Abondoned me, so now I will abandoned her”. There is going to be a terrible thing coming this way. And it may or may not be Nibiru. I think it will be Obama taking this country down.


43 posted on 07/10/2011 4:07:48 PM PDT by crazydad
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To: earglasses

Sitchcin RIP was so interesting to read. And it made alot of sense for the whole Missing link argument. I believe there is something out there. What Who knows? But the bible does talk about the annunaki or nephelim in Genisis. And many many times about UFOs , Ezekiel, and the other one where he was taken to heaven and never came back. I forget the name. So if you believe it or not there is a lot of evidence out there. You just have to open your eyes and mind to see it.


44 posted on 07/10/2011 4:18:12 PM PDT by crazydad
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To: Darksheare

See that is wrong. So to you others opinions are crazy, stupid. I agree there are some out there. But it is not stupid and crazy to alot of us. Do research on Sitchcins books.


45 posted on 07/10/2011 4:20:23 PM PDT by crazydad
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To: LukeL

The short answer would be “NO”. :)


46 posted on 07/10/2011 5:43:37 PM PDT by ColdSteelTalon (Light is fading to shadow, and casting its shroud over all we have known...)
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To: cripplecreek
umm...How many Asteroids, Meteors, and Comets have Nasa missed till the last minute? While I'm not saying that some Rogue planet is out there, and coming to smack us, space is large and all the telescopes in the world,including Hubble, can't "see" everything.
47 posted on 07/10/2011 8:33:49 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: crazydad

Assumptions on your part on what my opinions actually are.
But yes, stating that comet Elenin is a gas giant four times the size of Jupiter is stupid when it is merely a comet.
Yes, that was actually said by some.
Showing a pic of the recent Kreutz sungrazer vaping in front of the sun is not proof of anything other than a Kreutz sungrazer got vaped.
No more, no less.
Yes, a few of what I mentioned did just that, stated that the recent Kreutz sungrazer was proof of “we’re all gonna die”.

If there’s anything out there it is either the size of Neptune and very very cold while sitting on a rather stable inclined orbit in a complimentary direction to the orbit of Sedna, or it is as small as Earth and still not likely to be much of an issue for us.

Something four times teh size of Jupiter would not be able to swing “within the orbit of Jupiter” towards Earth without horribly disrupting the solar system.
Yes, supposed Nibiru has been claimed to duck close to the main asteroid belt or closer while having more mass than Jupiter.

Not physically possible gravity wise.


48 posted on 07/11/2011 2:57:20 AM PDT by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: Darksheare

Here’s a neat little gravity/orbital simulator. If you get a nice orbital model going and throw in a large mass, calamity ensues.

http://www.nowykurier.com/toys/gravity/gravity.html


49 posted on 07/11/2011 4:04:59 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: cripplecreek

Been playing with that here and there.
It’s pretty fun when you make a nice system and then sling large objects through it.


50 posted on 07/11/2011 4:12:41 AM PDT by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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