Skip to comments.Casey Anthony Case May Not be Over - New Charges Possible
Posted on 07/13/2011 7:10:03 AM PDT by MindBender26
We all know it's not over until the fat lady sings, and here in Orlando we hear the fat lady in the form of the Orange County Sheriff's Office may only be getting warmed up.
Contacts at the Sheriff's Office say they are actively investigating the possibility that at least one witness was tampered with, and now the Sheriff has confirmed this. The talk at breakfast this morning with some retired senior LEOs was that the most probable targets were either "River Cruz", the woman who undermined George Anthony's testimony by claiming she had an affair with him, or the son of meter reader Roy Kronk who found the body. The son gave testimony claiming his father was "only in it for the money." The defense spun that out that out to Kronk had lied, moved the body, etc.
Of course at this time, none of this is proven, but we do know it is being actively worked. Local LEOs still very strongly suspect that Casey killed her daughter, either through an active act of premeditated murder, or anger. A third possibility also exists that if she did not intend the child to die, Casey is at the least guilty of criminally negligent neglect or acts so outrageous (such as an intentional chloroforming that went bad) that she should have been convicted, at a minimum, for aggravated manslaughter.
It's a long shot, but if it can be shown that someone connected with Casey and/or her defense did bribe or otherwise improperly influence a witness, the case could be reopened. Although she was acquitted in state court, double jeopardy does not attach if she would be accused of depriving her daughter of her civil rights in the federal court system. That's what happened in the Rodney King case. The cops were acquitted of assault and related charges in the California state court (isn't everyone,) but then convicted in the federal courts of depriving King of the civil rights.
An even more interesting concept might be the state's possible ability to retry Casey on murder/manslaughter charges. Although it is rarely invoked, there is a concept under the law that Casey Anthony is certainly entitled to a fair trial, but so are the People of the State of Florida. If it can be shown that the People of the State of Florida did not get a fair trial due to bribed witnesses or the like, there are operations of law that would allow Ms. Anthony be retried. It would be rare and the misconduct by the defense would certainly have to be egregious, but it is a possibility. With the anger now circulating in the local law enforcement community, it is certainly not an impossibility.
History is shown there is probably only about a 10% chance that anything in this will ever pan out, but it is certainly something that a number of newsies are watching very closely. We'll let you know when we hear more
Some questions I want to ask about this trial regards the allegation George Anthony and his son molested Casey. Does anyone know if there was any evidence it actually happened? Did Casey tell her lawyer about it or was it some ploy the defense team came up with to get sympathy for her? If her lawyers made it up, can they be punished for making such an allegation against someone?
Who is the second person that would be tried? I think she did it but I do not see a fed case.
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I was wondering if the Feds would charge Casey for making a false claim that her baby was kidnapped, since kidnapping is a Federal crime which brought the FBI into the case.
Also had heard that one juror hired a publicist before the trial began, but do not know if that is true.
The media has EVERYTHING to do with it. If that poor child looked like Lurch nobody would give a flying. Nancy Grace and her coven of harpies guaranteed no fair trial.
It’s done. Glad a conservative such as yourself has surrendered to emotion.
There was no proof it happened, and the jurors were told by the Judge that they were NOT to consider those charges, and Casey's attorney was not allowed to mention his molestation claims in his closing arguments because he gave no proof.
You are beating a dead horse. She is not guilty by law.
How exactly is it fair to constantly badger this woman. This is the exact reason why there are laws against double jeopardy and vigilantism.
Let it go.
The State did the best it could. It was a difficult case with no direct evidence.
A jury of 12 citizens pondered the evidence that they where presented and concluded that the state didn't meet the burden. It wasn't even close, they only took ten hours to acquit.
Continued action against this defendant would constitute nothing short of prosecutorial abuse and subject the state to civil action by the Defendant.
There is a reason why the state's burden is high, they failed to meet that burden in the eyes of the jury. Case closed.
It is over, as it should be.
According to the jury, the only people who have an opinion that counts, the state did not prove their case. That is a fact. If the state had proved it's case in the eyes of those who had an opinion that counted She would have been convicted of a crime greater than lying. She was not, ergo the state by fact of law did not prove their case.
I remind you that I have stated I believe that she was at least complicit in her daughters death. However, that is simply common sense, not proof. Proof, beyond a reasonable doubt is necessary for a conviction. They simply did not PROVE the case to the people who mattered the most.
My bet is on Roy Kronk’s son. I didn’t get a sense he was telling the truth - or that possibly he had his dates confused. Just something about him didn’t seem right.
River Cruz...not sure what to make of her lies. Was she lying in her original deposition when she said she didn’t have an affair with George, or on the stand when she said she did? She told Tony Pipitone she thought she could tell the story without having to admit she and George had an affair. I never did find out how the police found the “I need you in my life” text on her phone- obviously she must have saved it, so did she volunteer the text to LEO or to Baez first? Lots of questions around her credibility.
Frankly there is/was so much deception in this case on the part of so many involved it’s hard to see how it will ever be clarified, UNLESS the defense theory of George being in on it is true- (which seems unlikely for a number of reasons) and he comes forward and tells all. It would have required him to allow his daughter to sit in jail for three years facing capital murder charges, knowing what really happened and not stopping it. His behavior during the search for Caylee would be inexplicable. At some point while he’s demanding from Casey that she tell them what she knows- Casey would have turned on him and told him to own up to his part...nothing in letters or jailhouse phone calls shows any hint of collusion between them. ALSO- if he played a real part in it I think the defense team would have been investigating it carefully...and there’s no evidence or rumor they did so.
I wonder if anyone on the jury, in hindsight has considered there was no cause of death in the Scott Peterson case either. Barely any clues and a defendant who lied, lied, lied after the fact. Yet he sits on death row in California. He must wish he lived in Florida.
His time & resources where donated willingly and with no request from Anthony. He can not now attach a monetary value to voluntary time regardless of reasoning.
It is irrelevant anyway as Anthony is destitute and as of this point has no money and few or no prospects. Any judgment would easily be released in a filing for bankruptcy.
There are hundreds of cases of child murder by parents every year in this country.
The real crime is happening in D.C. where a fool and his minions are driving our country headlong into the abyss. This is simply diverting attention away from the real news.
Actually, it is understood that OJ did quit well with his book.
There was proof. You have to understand who the people are and especially why they are there.
Casey Anthony is a liar which has been proven beyond a doubt. But that is not why she is on trial; even though the jury convicted her of lying.. For a moment forget that she is a liar and all the other labels applied to her. Casey is on trial for the murder of her daughter. Caseys history is indicative of who she is. History is usually the best indicator of who a person is. When Caylee went missing, she told no one. For 31 days she told everyone her child was with a babysitter no one has ever seen or spoken too; including her own family. Regardless of what Casey may have been doing those 31 days; she chose not to sound the alarm that she was missing period. Casey was the last one seen with Calylee. I doubt seriously Caylee drowned due to the unprovoked video showing her parents and her stating it was just the latest theory made up by the press. This video was in evidence before Jose made his statement.
As for the car smelling of death. This was stated by several people who have had experience with that smell including her parents before it was brought up in court. There was chloroform found in the car and where the remains were found along with a needle. Casey abandoned the car in a parking lot when it started to smell. Caylees remains were found in a swamp near her house. Most everything found with the child, duct tape, laundry bag, blanket was proven to come from where Casey and Caylee lived at the time. Casey had access to all. Since Caylee was last seen with Casey; the arrows are pointing to Casey most likely having to do with the demise of her daughter.
Lets look at Jose Baez. Jose is a street fighter. Nothing wrong with that. Jose knew better than anyone he had to sell the jury because that is all he had and it didnt hurt a bit he got a jury that pretty much identified with his client. He did sell this jury but it was with innuendoes; not facts and it was not mere coincidence he mentioned he did not have to prove a thing or state facts on many occasions. Just a little tweak here and there to make it sound like reasonable doubt; which it was anything but. He also sold this jury by continual distractions. Everyday he was acting up about something; sometimes turning the court room into a circus. This was just as important as accusing her father of despicable acts. Why, all of it was designed to keep the jurors mind off his clients guilt. I personally was waiting for him to take the wrap himself. He did one thing for sure. He kept the jurors off guard while making the prosecution look like bullies. I almost got caught up in it myself a couple of times.
Here is why i didnt. Jeff Ashton, the prosecutor is an honorable guy. A guy that probably made good grades in school, etc. Unfortunately, all they could do was object. But he and his associate did present a very convincing case of Caseys guilt circumstantial evidence or not. It may not have been theatrics like Jose who I might add again had nothing and as he told us many, many times he didnt have to have anything. Jeff Ashton and his associates had one thing jose did not have and that was credibility. They didnt have to lie. They laid the case out as it probably happened. Casey was with Caylee; something she never denied, had possession of the car, did not report the missing of her child; etc. There just wasnt anyone else who had the motive to kill Caylee.
The jurors like so many jurors vote emotionally for whatever reason and they bought the defenses con job. By not reviewing any evidence; etc; they did a disservice to that little girl that should not have died.
The fact is that there is nobody with standing that can bring a law suit against her. All the suits that may be brought will be dismissed with prejudice out of hand by any judge.
It is over. She has been acquitted. She now has to live with her conscience and will be judged by a higher authority than any Government of Man.
It doesn't matter a hill of beans what you believe happened or what they believe happened. They had to be convinced that the state proved beyond a reasonable doubt that she did it. All the jurors believe it did not.
Twelve people are allot of people to convince. Every damn one of them where convinced that the state did not prove their case. rehashing any portion of the case is moot. She had the presumption of innocence and has been acquitted by a jury of her peers. She is as free as you or I.
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Can you read?
I don't have to read your ridiculous, irrelevant rant, you are rehashing a case that has been adjudicated.
SHE HAS BEEN ACQUITED.
I think Zanny the Nanny (she has a hard name but it begins with a “Z”) whose name Casey stole from a card at an apartment complex and then blamed her for the kidnapping of Caylee already has filed suit against her. Also Jesse Grund, her former fiance, whom both Cindy and Casey tried to frame, might try it. George Anthony plans to bring Jose Baez up before the Florida Bar for outrageous lies he told in court regarding George’s behavior towards his daughter. Lee probably has a case too!
And also, we have jailhouse tapes of Casey praising her father “calling him the best father in the world.”
I’m glad she’s free, Jim! She is now free to move next to you, befriend you the way she befriends every guy she meets. Just hide your wallet, checkbook, 401K, your father’s pension fund, your mother’s social security checks and yes, even your kids’ lollipops.
No, you don’t understand because if you read what I wrote you would understand that you have to think to make a decision.
I think that Prosecution (Ashton) in his closing statement made a grievous mistake when he said, looking at the jury, “SOMEBODY killed Caley”.
Prosecution had Casey on trial for the evil deed and let her off the hook (gave the jury doubt) when he indicated “somebody killed her”.
Prosecution should have said “Casey killed her”!!!!
She has little or no standing and can show no damages.
This is the nature of the system that we have and we should be damn grateful to have it. We do not try people in the court of public opinion but in a public court in front of a jury of our peers.
What do you think we should do? Should we form a lynch mob and and hang her? Maybe you could lead a pack of hooligans in wilding her? Should we beat her until she can no longer bear children?
Besides a public shunning, everything you would desire to do to her would be a crime and vigilantism. Be my guest. You will be the one prosecuted and likely convicted in that instance.
I think she did it, so do you, so do allot of people. Who cares, we where not charged to make a decision on the case. You watched the proceedings on TV and where subject to opinions, procedures and here say not available to the jury. You are what would be considered TAINTED and unavailable to sit on the jury.
Many of us are damn well aware of what information was provided to the jury because the entire case was televised and there was 24/7 coverage. The jury here failed to do their job. People here on FR and elsewhere are perfectly justified in observing this and expressing their opinions because it is obvious. The jurists who have appeared on tv have come across and dumbs who accepted wild defense accusations without any factual basis and ignored facts presented by the prosecution.
Many people justifiably want justice here for a mother who clearly covered up her involvement in the death ofnher child and want to see both civil case success and to see what other criminal charges could be pursued. I see nothing wrong with that.
She is a free woman, as well she should be based upon the fact that she has been adjudicated not guilty in a court of law.
The jury DID their jobs. They debated the merits and evidence of the case in secret according to the instructions given to them by the judge and agreed upon by the defense and prosecution lawyers. They judged by their own conscience that they could not find the defendant guilty of any crime above lying to the police.
To speculate any further motives to the jury is highly unseemly. To judge them less intelligent than yourself is highly elitist and unfair. They did not ask to be jurors, they where compelled to sit on the jury by force of law. They where robbed of several weeks of their freedom and where separated from their families for days on end. We owe them our appreciation for doing their civic duty and nothing less.
Shame on you for unjustly accusing them of wrong doing. It is slanderous and mean spirited.
Regardless, all your ranting and raving is useless. there is no recourse. She is free to pursue her life to the best of her ability as any other person in this country.
It is full of innuendo, here say and circumstantial evidence.
The blanket, tape, garbage bag and other things found with the body are all mass produced items that are found in millions of homes in this country.
The tape was actually manufactured less than ten miles from my home at Henkel Corp. in Avon, OH. That makes me as likely to have placed it around there as she.
The car odor could have been anything, a steak that fell out of the bag on the way home from the grocery store,a rat, cat or other small animal that crawled into engine compartment to warm itself on a chilly evening and died there. Regardless there was no DNA evidence to prove that the child was ever in that car. There was no bodily fluid, and no residual effects beyond an odor.
The presents of Chloroform could have bean from any number of sources including but not limited to liquid or powdered laundry detergent that may have bean spilled and then cleaned up leaving a risidual of the chemical.
Your impression of the prosecutor and defense council couldn't be more irrelevant. Who cares if you believe they are honorable or street fighters. Your feelings about them should have NO bearing on the case, particularly if you where a juror.
She didn't report her child missing. This is a serious lapse of parenting, but there is no violation of law and by itself is no proof of guilt beyond being a real jerk. Maybe there should be a law against not reporting a missing child, but at this point there is not. Had there bean, they would have charged her with that crime.
She was exonerated of the crime. It is done. Unless evidence is found that somebody else was either involved in the child's death caylee will never receive justice in this World. Her mother could openly admit to the crimes and not be held accountable.
Look at Bill Ayers. He was released on a technicality and stated ‘guilty as sin, free as a bird!’ and there isn't a damn thing anybody could do about it.
Um, I assume you are talking about “the nanny”. In case you don’t know, because of Casey’s accusations, she lost her job. She was subjected to a thorough and completely unnecessary investigation by the FBI and the local police, wasting a huge amount of time and money on a Federal and State level. Maybe you think that is not damaging but I have a different opinion.
And not everyone wants to be “known” - especially after being accused of a hideous crime.
I am amazed.
“The tape was actually manufactured less than ten miles from my home at Henkel Corp. in Avon, OH. That makes me as likely to have placed it around there as she. Except she is living in FL now ; not OH.
” You know you can cure ignorance; but you can’t stupid.
I guess they are right when they say “it takes all kinds to drive those freeways”.
Casey might be getting out, but Joran may not...isn’t he is some hell hole of a jail in S.America? Perfect match though. I have wondered what happened to the father of little Caylee....has she killed before? Chilling thought.
So it’s alright to let murderers go free?
It is futile. It is folly.
As far as any of the other instances, their cases would go nowhere as well. What is Mr Anthony going to do complain that his lying daughter told her lawyer he molested her? So what, It was the Lawyers responsibility to defend his client. The outcome justifies his defense strategy. That doesn't mean I agree with his strategy or his morals.
You are one angry person.
Our court system has appeals and decisions get overturned all the time. We cannot overturn this one, but we can give our opinions. Many are frustrated and if judging this jury will keep the next jury honest and fair, so be it. I hope that is the result...and heck, not only would I shun Casey, I would shun every one of those jurors. No explanation will ever suffice. Let them prattle on, the more they do the more criticism will come their way. They had the option of staying quiet, they chose to defend it. Let the debate continue.
Come on..... You are kidding? You really didn’t read anything I wrote.
“Who is going to sue her, who can show cause to file suit?”
A volunteer search group is suing Casey Anthony for more than $100,000 claiming she insisted her daughter Caylee was alive and pleaded with them to find her, although Casey Anthony now claims that she knew her daughter was already dead.
The civil lawsuit filed by Texas EquuSearch states that the company invested over two years, 4,200 personnel, hundreds of thousands of hours and $112,000 of their donor-funded resources in massive search and rescue efforts for 2-year old Caylee.
Even worse, the group’s lawsuit states, the search for Caylee used up so much of its resources they were unable to help others who came to them seeking help in finding missing family members.
“During the time TES was searching for Caylee, TES received more than 15 requests for other families for missing loved ones, and was unable to offer assistance to any of these families as TES was fully devoted to the search for Caylee,” the lawsuit claims.
The lawsuit states that Casey Anthony’s mother, Cindy Anthony, called EquuSearch founder Tim Miller in late August 2008 and “implored” him to assist in the search for her granddaughter. Miller traveled to Orlando, Fla., where Cindy and George Anthony told him, in Casey’s presence, that Caylee was still alive.
“Casey Anthony likewise told Mr. Miller that Caylee was alive, and asked him to please bring her back,” the lawsuit says.
EquuSearch said it launched the second most costly search in the organization’s 11-year history, eating away 40 percent of its annual budget to finance motel rooms, rent vehicles and related expenses for the volunteers from 13 states who aided in the search.
The company points to the opening statements of the trail, in which Anthony’s attorney, Jose Baez, who had been present at meetings with the Anthony family, stated, “[s]he was never missing. Caylee Anthony died June 16, 2008, when she drowned in her family’s swimming pool.”
The company claims it was “damaged” by “Casey Anthony’s lies, omissions and deception,” and wants to be reimbursed.
Do you listen? I already know you can’t comprehend what you read.
She can’t be tried again for the same crime. She was acquitted by a jury of her peers. She could go on national tv and tell exactly what she did, when and how, where and why, and couldn’t be tried again for those charges.
Anyone who suborned perjury or perjured him/herself would face criminal charges, but not Casey.
I didn't watch mush of the case, why would I.I don't have to watch it to accept the rule of law. You are emotionally involved in the case, I am not. I have not grown angry, but strident in my defense of the system. A system that neither of us, hopefully, will ever need the security of.
I have been involved in many court cases. I have had the (Mis) fortune to be on four juries. Two of them criminal cases. I was jury foreman on a rape case for which we convicted. I was also on a Murder case that was dismissed due to lack of evidence after the prosecution rested. They didn't have enough evidence to convince the court to continue.
My wife was juror in a capital murder case that they acquitted on, even though every juror to a person was certain that the defendant committed the crime. However, the prosecution had NO EVIDENCE, only speculation. They acquitted and the judge went out of his way to spend time explaining that they did the exact right thing under the circumstances and due to the lack of evidence. He said that he would have been forced to acquit if it where a judge trial.
You are blinded by your desire for justice for a child, I can understand that, it is admirable. Your heaping of scorn upon the jury is wrong and misplaced.
If you want to get mad at someone, get mad at the prosecution and the investigators for not having a compelling enough case.
Judgments are good for 10 years and can be renewed after that. They are not dischargeable by bankruptcy.
You want it both ways. You want to say that you believe Anthony is a murderer and her lawyer used nasty tactics but you also believe she should be as free as a bird and that’s what lawyers do and Zenaida Gonzalez can just go to hell.
I disagree. And I hope Anthony is caught up in the legal system for years to come. It happened to OJ and look where he ended up.
And once again, I believe Anthony was acquitted by the jury. Truly a trial by her peers.
I am sorry. You just sound so angry.
You are tilting at windmills, sputtering on and on about God knows what. It is irrelevant. You are irrelevant to the case, this whole conversation is irrelevant.
I read every salable of your unintelligible brain droppings and I am no wiser for it.
One more time for the studio audience and for those enjoying the program at home:
I THINK SHE DID IT! MY THOUGHT ARE NOT EVIDENCE. THEY DIDN”T CONVINCE 12 ORDINARY PEOPLE OF HER GUILT, THEY COULDN”T EVEN CONVINCE ONE. IT IS OVER SHE IS A FREE WOMAN.
Believe me; I am not blinded.
I am sorry, but you sound like an idiot!
I agree she probably got away with murder. I have said as much over and over again. There is nothing we can do about it. To blame the jury is stupid. They did what they believe was right. It doesn’t mean they don’t believe that she did it.
I think the entire thing is a heart breaking tragedy. It is a shame that the prosecution and investigators couldn’t convict. They couldn’t. Twelve other random people would have probably found the same way. Neither one of us has a vested interest in this case.
I suggest that you stop dwelling on it as it may cause you to have a coronary or a stroke.
You did not read and comprehend what I posted.
The jurors did not do their job.
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