Plasma, Solar Outbursts, and the End of the Last Ice Age

The Official Website thereof ^ | prior to July 15, 2011 | Dr. Robert M. Schoch

[aruanan]

The doc's a little late off the mark. Anthony Peratt of Los Alamos National Laboratory has been researching a massive zeta-pinch aurora in antiquity around that time and managing to keep it scientific without any references to ESP abilities. This was following up a suggestion by Thomas Gold about the effects that a massive solar coronal ejection could have on the earth.

List of relevant papers HERE. Look especially at numbers 15, 18, and 25. These are links to pdf files of the papers:

15. A. L. Peratt, Characteristics for the Occurrence of a High-Current, Z-Pinch Aurora as Recorded in Antiquity, Trans. Plasma Sci. v.31, n.6, 2003

18. A. L. Peratt, J. McGovern, A. H. Qöyawayma, M. A. Van der Sluijs, and M. G. Peratt, Characteristics for the Occurrence of a High-Current Z-Pinch Aurora as Recorded in Antiquity Part II: Directionality and Source, Trans. Plasma Sci. v.35, n.4, 2007.

25. A. L. Peratt and W. F. Yao, Evidence for an intense solar outburst in prehistory, Physica Scripta T131, October 2008

They've been doing field work in Canada recently exploring the physical evidence for proton discharge from aurora to the earth's surface. He told me he also has a book in the works.

[justa-hairyape]

Thanks for the links. Yeah, the ESP bit was kinda out there.

FYI - Might want to keep an eye on lighting. Was traveling across the country a few months ago and I ran into the absolute worse lighting storm I have ever seen. Almost unbelievable. Simultaneous strikes all around the vehicle I was driving. And at times the lighting bolt seem to remain for a few seconds. It was at night and the bolts that remained for a few seconds kinda hurt the eyes there were so bright. And I have been seeing quite a few reports about lightning deaths this summer.

[Flag_This]

"So far the theory that they were intentionally done by humans to make the fort stones more defensive to attack seems to be the best explanation, but plasma strikes and correlation with very quick and abrupt climate change is interesting."

I'm thinking it had to have been done deliberately by people - if plasma was the cause, shouldn't there be green glass all over Scotland and not just the occasional vitrified stone fort?

[justa-hairyape]

There would have to be a lot of sand in Scotland for the glass to form. Scotland is very wet and mostly marshes. About the only thing that could survive long term would be the stone forts. Egypt is very dry and loaded with sand. So one would expect the glass to be more prevalent there. Granted back 10,000 years ago the geographic climate would have been different. And no one is claiming the Pyramids are 10,000 years old right ? However, putting a metal capstone on a big pyramid might actually make a good lighting rod :>

[aruanan]

And at times the lighting bolt seem to remain for a few seconds.

My favorite bolts are the ones that seem to hang there and then break into fragments before disappearing while maintaining the original bolt's form. I've seen this at least 3 times. They're big fat bolts that go directly to earth, not the skinny, snaky, zip-across-the-sky bolts.

Now imagine near-continuous discharges of magnitudes-greater intensity coming down out of an aurora of hitherto unknown extent over a period of perhaps years and confined to certain northerly latitudes. I could see that as being interpreted as being a region under the domination of some freaking powerful gods. No wonder people all over the world were leaving petroglyphs by the millions detailing plasma instabilities (over the south pole), the orientations of which matched their latitude of observation.

[Flag_This]

The linked article mentions Göbekli Tepe being deliberately buried - wasn’t Teotihuacan in Mexico also deliberately covered with dirt (I can’t say “buried” because it would be tough to cover a 240’ pyramid)? I thought they had to remove much more accumulated earth than could be explained by natural processes...

[RegulatorCountry]

If you were to run with interpreting certain Biblical passages in that light, you'd discover Biblical prophecies that say the same or similar, leading to a conclusion that such occurrences are cyclical in nature and were known, which parallels other belief systems worldwide, that say similar things, but apparently from another perspective.

Jury's still out for me, but a compelling case can be made. How many times has Creation been destroyed and remade, according to some Jewish traditions, seven?

[Errant]

Jury's still out for me

I think that's the wise approach. It is those that claim to have it all figured out that one should take the cautious approach with, IMO.

Also IMO, there is much duality in the Bible and for good reason. I'm not sure how best to say it, but things are starting to make more sense to me now. Much still remains unclear and I leave that for later. There are intriguing clues throughout the Bible that offer more insight if you manage to discern them. I believe soon, more of God's mystery will be revealed to the entire world.

The Bible shouldn't be our only guide. Trust in the truth and let your heart be your guide as well. By that path, the Holy Spirit will reveal much to you if you are so inclined.

Keep in mind that we are ALL Pilgrims...

:)

[Errant]

occurrences are cyclical in nature and were known

As far as cyclical in nature, that is shown to be true in the ice core studies. But what is the cause?

I think the ancients knew what it was but much was lost as it was handed down through the ages. In the end we will we will either figure it out or find it happening all around us. If I'm wrong and it's further out than I think, at least those who follow us will.

[SunkenCiv]

I’ve had my doubts about the deliberate burial of GT. I hadn’t heard before a similar idea applied to Teotihuacan, so thanks for that.

[justa-hairyape]

Was interesting to see the comparison between plasma formations and the ancient drawings and carvings. My first thought was no way, but the comparison images are really illustrative.

Been living in Southern California for over a decade and we do not really have lighting or thunder here. It is very weak. Grew up in the Mid West and have seen some big lighting storms. The storm I drove through was in Texas (where else) and appeared to be right where the Dry Southwest climate bordered up against the Wet Southeast climate. Was right between San Antonio and Houston on the 10.

So you may not need a major astro physical event to kick these big lightning storms off. Possible that any major change in climatic conditions could help increase the charge potentials. Right now the sun is at about 40 sunspots (just below average). Granted it was active for a couple of months earlier in the year. Possible too that low activity allows more cosmic rays and those rays can also increase charge potentials or affect plasma.

And it should be noted that the sun can discharge large CME's even when activity is weak or average.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks aruanan!

[SunkenCiv]

Prior to the US manned lunar landings, Dr V was consulted by NASA regarding any tests he’d like to see conducted, that were reasonable within the limits of both mobility and time constraints, and he gave them his suggestions.

Prior to 1969 (and really prior to 1972, when a geologist actually went there; and in a real sense, prior to the Alvarez model for impact extinction; and in an even more real sense, prior to the SL-9 comet impacts on Jupiter in 1994) the origin of lunar craters and maria was still being fought over.

Sagan became a media darling even then, pointing out that there was the impact camp, and there was the volcanic camp, and that they didn’t like each other, and that when a lone figure (I’m guessing Thomas Gold, but I don’t know) came along suggesting a combination of both, neither side liked him.

The one test suggested by Dr V that springs to mind was a subsurface temperature-taking; according to his model, there should be a “steep thermal gradient” as readings are taken deeper and deeper. And he suggested that rock samples should be checked for “fossil” magnetism, to see if, when molten, they were exposed to very high magnetic fields.

[SunkenCiv]

Someone I know pointed out to Schoch Davidovits’ geopolymerization model for the ancient Egypt synthesis of stone (faience, as well as the blocks used to construct the Giza pyramids), and he stated that he doesn’t find it compelling. :’)

[aruanan]

Keep in mind that these plasma instabilities 1. are generally not seen in lightning and 2. that the carvings are nearly all oriented to have been done by a viewer looking toward the south pole, 3. they’re all over the world and number in the millions, and 4. that their orientation/foreshortening corresponds to a viewpoint by latitude on a global scale. None of the last 3 could be accounted for by a purely local phenomenon.

[ForGod'sSake]

Sagan became a media darling even then, pointing out that there was the impact camp, and there was the volcanic camp, and that they didn’t like each other, and that when a lone figure (I’m guessing Thomas Gold, but I don’t know) came along suggesting a combination of both, neither side liked him.

Poor guy. Getting between two sides in a PI$$ING contest is nowhere to be without some good rain gear.

I gather there was never any wildcatting on the moon then since a quick search doesn't reveal anything. Do you recall if V offered any suggestion about how far into the moon one would need to drill to determine whether or not there was a "steep temperature gradient"?

After some snooping around the web, I discovered there were some moon rocks showing magnetic "anomalies" that apparently gave scientists a case of the vapors. They didn't know what to make of it and to this day it seems there's still no consensus about the cause. "V" strikes again. ;^)

Re your

Someone I know pointed out to Schoch Davidovits’ geopolymerization model for the ancient Egypt synthesis of stone (faience, as well as the blocks used to construct the Giza pyramids), and he stated that he doesn’t find it compelling. :’)

That's seems to have come out of left field but I'll run with it. From my reading I don't recall but, did "V" propose such a thing re megalith construction? The truly remarkable construction that would appear to be good candidates are some of the pre-Incan structures in South America. AMAZING stuff that.

[justa-hairyape]

From what I gather, when these catastrophic events were occurring, they was a distinct south pole and north pole orientation to the plasma flow. So very possible that while they looked south at the pretty figures, the north was getting hammered.

At any rate, lighting itself has been shown to make these types of figures far up in the sky. Sprites. A recent discovery. Now could these sprites become more visible if the magnitude of the lighting increased ?

[justa-hairyape]

Found some more examples of sprites. Or at least they claim they are sprite images. First image certainly looks similar to the Easter Island Human Bird Heads.

[aruanan]

The south pole featured relativistic electrons. The north pole featured protons. The previous page of links had at least one non-functional link to this paper:

Characteristics for the Occurrence of a High-Current Z-Pinch Aurora as Recorded in Antiquity Part II: Directionality and Source

This is at www.scribd.com and, if I remember correctly, has simulations of what would be seen in the sky at different orientations on the earth as well as a view from space of the earth enclosed in a cage of Birkeland currents.

Another link to the same paper:

Try HERE

And a third link in case those two don't work:

THIRD LINK

Here also is a website that is about the possibility of a much more active sky in neolithic times that could have formed the basis of much celestial-related mythology.

Introducing Plasma Mythology

There are links to many papers on this site.

[justa-hairyape]

Plasma Mythology. That is a new one for me. Difficult to imagine them having the capability to blot out the sun.

Excerpt - ..people from many parts of the earth witnessed a stupendous pillar of light reaching from the horizon to the highest region of the sky – the so-called axis mundi or 'cosmic axis', that defined the apparent 'centre' of the sky and blotted out the comparatively dim light of the moon, the stars, and even the sun.