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Posted on 07/16/2011 5:49:11 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
“especially since it has NO effect on anything you do, say, own or interact with.”
Until of course the consequences of your cash “cow” turn up in the county shelters, degrade neighborhood quality of life and begin sucking up MY tax dollars to address the aforementioned problems.
“Reputable breeders have limited registration, neuter-spay agreements, buyback provisions, and interview prospective buyers and check up on their pups from time to time.”
That is exactly how it should be done. But there’s a tendency among the slack jawed yokel faction to bristle at any of that particularly when several breeds of pups go for upwards of $1,000 each. And its not as if they bear the cost to the surrounding neighborhood either. Meanwhile the shelters are full with plenty of dogs being put down every day. As someone who loves dogs I don’t see the need to “buy” one when you can, at a fraction of the cost, save one. (Obvious exception of dog competitions as you mentioned)
We have only found ONE obviously well trained pedigreed dog here locally. She had a microchip, but it was unreadable, and somebody, somewhere is mourning the loss of their outstanding hunting dog. We believe somebody stole her and then dumped her.
90% of the dogs rescued are "Lab mix" i.e. chance bred not deliberately bred by a hobby breeder. The other 10 percent are purebred dogs that are lost dogs or owner surrenders due to divorces, death, etc.
You're barking up the wrong tree. Well-bred, expensive dogs are NOT the problem - $100 dogs out of the want ads are, plus random puppies from lowlifes who let their dogs roam free. And none of your tax dollars are going to support this 100 percent privately supported, labor-of-love rescue organization. We are actually saving you money by taking these dogs out of animal control.
I know plenty of decent country folk who know the value of a top-drawer hunting dog and are happy to pay for what they get. They treat those dogs like members of the family as well as a substantial investment. And the dogs repay the kindness by bringing home plenty of meat for the table.
They are not the problem.
“You’re barking up the wrong tree.”
No, we’re talking past each other.
“Well-bred, expensive dogs are NOT the problem”
Of course they’re not. Its the “get rich quick” schemers who are along with the schmucks who pay upwards of a months rent on the dog breed of the month.
“90% of the dogs rescued are “Lab mix” i.e. chance bred”
Thus to repeat my original post: SPAY AND NEUTER YOUR PETS!
“Excuse me, since when are “slack jawed yokels” breeding quality pedigreed dogs? Or, for that matter, buying them?”
Google “Backyard Breeders.” They’re essentially trash looking to make a fast buck off of those willing to spend top dollar for designer dogs.
>Spay and neuter your pets please.<
Spay/neuter is a great choice for many folks. That said, it’s a choice and an individual may choose to breed a litter on occasion.
The population of dalmatians, for example, has decreased significantly in the United States due to the efforts of the Dalmatian Club of America to educate folks about the importance of buying a Dal after studying the breed and its temperament and then buying from someone who knows the breed and who goes about producing pups in a thoughtful and prudent manner.
The Dalmatian Club of America has published a set of ethical guidelines for those who are active with the breed: http://www.thedca.org/ethics.html
“That said, it’s a choice and an individual may choose to breed a litter on occasion.”
If its done responsibly sure. If done improperly and in violation of the law, the breeder needs to pay the piper. I like keeping my money in my pocket rather than having it fleeced by the state to pay for dealing with some bum’s “crops.”
>If its done responsibly sure. If done improperly and in violation of the law, <
Assuming the law is fair. Assuming the law reasonably, without confiscatory license fees, nor impossibly strict regulations, allows for responsible breeding. Due to the unceasing efforts of animal rights extremists, more and more laws treat all breeding of domestic dogs or cats as something short of criminal.
http://www.naiaonline.org/about/policy_mandatory_spay_neuter.htm
Sadly, the majority of localities would have far fewer problems with animal overpopulation if they simply used laws they’ve had on the books for decades. Enforcing a simple leash law would go a long, long way in the prevention of unwanted pups or kittens (that’s right, kitty needs to be restrained unless he or she has been rendered sterile) and it would have the added bonus of preventing a significant percentage of dog bites.
In your post, you expressed frustration that dog breeders put a strain on your wallet. How about rescues and shelters who deliberately bring in another state’s strays to your locality? Should they get a pass?
Which grow up to be these:
“Due to the unceasing efforts of animal rights extremists, more and more laws treat all breeding of domestic dogs or cats as something short of criminal.”
Well dumb breeders have made it easy for them. Those laws which you bridle at were put in place due to more and more communities having become sick and tired of the loss of our neighborhoods and tax dollars due to unregulated dog breeding.
“the majority of localities would have far fewer problems with animal overpopulation if they simply used laws they’ve had on the books for decades. Enforcing a simple leash law would go a long, long way in the prevention of unwanted pups or kittens”
I partly disagree. A bigger problem is the unceremonious dumping of used up or unprofitable dogs by idiotic breeders. The dogs are not spayed or neutered, are released without concern for the local community and have severe mental and physical problems which put people and their pets at risk. Who in their right mind would walk a cat?
The story you linked to is completely irrelevant. Shelters and rescues take dogs IN off the streets, rehabilitate them and find them homes all on their own dime / donations. Not out of the municipalities, not out of the county and most importantly not out of my pocketbook. Cletus breeders on the other hand could care less about how my town deals with their leftover “products.”
They are mutts, pure and simple.
Unscrupulous people (not to say 'crooks') are breeding "Silver Labs", "Goldendoodles," "Cockerpoos," and all sorts of other mutts, and the news media, stupid as always, are playing right along, claiming that these dogs are "hypoallergenic". People who do not do their homework buy them. They're the same people that buy swamp land in Florida and cars that run on tap water.
Unfortunately, you cannot legislate against (or cure) greed or stupidity.
But none of that has a single thing to do with reputable hobby breeders. A friend of mine who breeds first class hunting Poodles (yeah, you read that right. She has the first litter of Poodles whose parents are both titled Hunting Retriever Champions) was offered several thousand dollars to breed her champion sire to a Golden. She turned the guy down flat with a few nasty words on the side.
They could easily be shut down on health/sanitation laws or existing 'factory farm' laws. But local governments aren't interested because they get a lot of tax revenue from these large operations.
The ONLY people that breeding legislation will catch are the reputable hobby breeders. The puppy mills are protected, and the people who let their dogs roam and breed indiscriminately can't be caught, won't be prosecuted, and have no assets to pay a judgment.
The animal rights extremists are using unfactual rhetoric (which you are repeating) to shut down quality breeders. It's the same argument used for "gun control" -- and, just like gun control, the only people breeding legislation will punish are the law-abiding and the people who don't have "pull" or great wealth.
You are in bed with some really nasty people, I'm sure with the best of intentions, but look out for unintended consequences.
“The only ‘dumpers’ I know of are the puppy mills.”
You need to get out more. As mentioned in the article, folks can get turn a quick buck selling in demand and irresistible puppies. If the dog doesn’t sell and outgrows the cute puppy stage they aren’t going to raise the dog - they dump them off.
“The ONLY people that breeding legislation will catch are the reputable hobby breeders.”
Wrong mindset. Reputable breeders who follow the laws are signaling to consumers interested in a quality dog that they’re legit. A person on the lookout for a healthy well adjusted pooch will seek those folks out. It sucks breeders are subject to laws but guess what - you’re a business. Red tape happens. Furthermore when your “product” is Rover, its pretty unrealistic to think the dog loving public isn’t going to insist on legal liability to protect said pooches. The “not wanting my community to suffer from the don’t give a damn breeders” folks like myself sure will.
“unfactual rhetoric (which you are repeating)”
By all means please point out what I’ve said which is false. I’m sorry that people like me get in the way of your irresponsibility but till you start compensating me for my tax bill from your dog cash crop, the animosity will continue.
>Reputable breeders who follow the laws are signaling to consumers interested in a quality dog that they’re legit. A person on the lookout for a healthy well adjusted pooch will seek those folks out. It sucks breeders are subject to laws but guess what - you’re a business.<
Business:
2. the practice of making one’s living by engaging in commerce : the world of business | whom do you do business with in Manila? | [as adj. ] the business community | [with adj. ] the jewelry business.
• trade considered in terms of its volume or profitability : how’s business?
• a commercial house or firm : a catering business.
No, you are engaged in a hobby if you are breeding dogs reputably. Commercial breeders and “puppy mills” are businesses. Hobby breeders breed for pleasure and for the art of producing superior dogs, not to support themselves. On the contrary, if you breed dogs reputably you will not come near breaking even on your expenses, much less making a profit.
Hobby or business - whichever you please. Just don’t ruin my neighborhood or cause me to pay more in taxes so you can indulge in such a pastime or industry.
>cause me to pay more in taxes so you can indulge in such a pastime or industry.<
If you want to use that argument, I can point to any number of sports activities that cost me lots of tax money that I get absolutely nothing out of.
Let’s start with high school football, basketball, soccer, cheerleading, etc, etc, etc. I don’t play ball sports nor do I watch the boring things. I do, however, participate in dog shows, obedience and rally trials and I participate in holding canine agility trials. How much in tax money do we pay for ballfields, their maintenance, and the loss of tax revenue if their real estate were to be put back in the hands of private developers?
Why should I and my fellow dog enthusiasts, who are not commercial breeders, be taxed for a fare thee well in order for parents and their kiddies to have their sports?? Because the local town has to pay some dawg catcher a little more than minimum wage you want to legislate those of us who choose a different sport out of existence?
Immanuel Kant is spinning in his grave.
>and the loss of tax revenue if their real estate were to be put back in the hands of private developers?<
Should read, how much tax revenue would we gain if their real estate were to be put back in the hands of private developers?
That means that the draconian regulation being proposed (very expensive licenses, inspections, etc.) will stop all hobby breeding as it will make it too expensive for a hobby.
Not to mention the government intrusion of inspections at all hours, waiver of Fourth Amendment protections, and paperwork. Hobby breeders work from their homes, and if you are unaware what a government search of your home is like, you have no idea what you are wishing on people.
The decent working or middle class people who raise first class dogs will be gone because they have something to lose. The only folks left will be disreputable thugs who are judgment proof (and already have a criminal record and don't care) and the politically influential puppy millers. And more puppies will be dumped because those amoral people will have the field to themselves.
Don't you see that this is not only a freedom-destroying line of thought, it has exactly the opposite effect from that you say you want?
Just one place where you are wrong: hobby breeders' dogs don't get dumped because they have a return policy. I suppose an evil person might do it anyway, but it's highly unlikely.
And another: I have never bred any of my dogs. I was planning to breed my Black Lab because she is an outstanding performer with a star-studded pedigree, but she has a genetic defect (EIC) which should not be passed on. So I spayed her, as any reputable person would do.
Oh give me a break. You’re seriously trying to equate your sloppy business practices to school funding? Just control your “industry” and ensure that my community isn’t on the short end of the stick.
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