Posted on 07/22/2011 11:01:03 PM PDT by Keltik
It is unconscionable that extremist groups circulate letters which accuse me of horrific things, saying that I am a traitor, that POWs in Hanoi were tied up and in chains and marched passed me while I spat at them and called them ‘baby killers. These letters also say that when the POWs were brought into the room for a meeting I had with them, we shook hands and they passed me tiny slips of paper on which they had written their social security numbers. Supposedly, this was so that I could bring back proof to the U.S. military that they were alive. The story goes on to say that I handed these slips of paper over to the North Vietnamese guards and, as a result, at least one of the men was tortured to death.
That these stories could be given credence shows how little people know of the realities in North Vietnam prisons at the time. The U.S. government and the POW families didn’t need me to tell them who the prisoners were. They had all their names. Moreover, according to even the most hardcore senior officers, torture stopped late in 1969, two and a half years before I got there. And, most importantly, I would never say such things to our servicemen, whom I respect, whether or not I agree with the mission they have been sent to perform, which is not of their choosing.
But these lies have circulated for almost forty years, continually reopening the wound of the Vietnam War and causing pain to families of American servicemen. The lies distort the truth of why I went to North Vietnam and they perpetuate the myth that being anti-war means being anti-soldier.
(Excerpt) Read more at janefonda.com ...
Didn't think of a terminal disease. I thought it might be because all of
her hippie and liberal fan base has O.D., smoked themselves into
oblivion, or have other concerns than paying for her wares.
In other words, the anti-Hanoi Jane base is an untapped market for her.
This is so typical of the unapologetic apology. "any pain I may have caused" is poppycock publicist word-parsing that does not signify remorse or culpability. It is synonymous with "I'm sorry if I said or did something that may have upset someone." Empty words.
The truth is that she is a traitor. The only reason she isn’t treated as such is because we’ve grown soft as a nation and unfortunately, even more so than the 70s. We’ve also lost a strong association with our country’s ideals as we’ve denigrated conservatism and shunned integration.
Well stated, friend!
I love the target, have used them
Also from her site:
“In my anger at the torture story that was being allowed to spread, at how the entire situation was being manipulated, I made a mistake I deeply regret. I said that the POWs claiming torture were liars, hypocrites, and pawns.
I said, “I’m quite sure that there were incidents of torture…but the pilots who are saying it was the policy of the Vietnamese and that it was systematic, I believe that’s a lie.”[8]
What I didn’t know at the time was that although there had been no torture after 1969, before then there had been systematic torture of some POWS. One of the more hawkish of them, James Stockdale, wrote in his book, In Love and War, that no more than ten percent of the pilots received at least ninety percent of the punishment.[9] John Hubbell, in P.O.W.: A Definitive History of the American Prisoner-of-War Experience in Vietnam, agreed, and affirmed the fact that torture stopped in 1969.[10]
When the POWs came home, some who had been there longest told the press how they clogged up prison toilets and sewers, refused to come when ordered, or follow prison rules. One of the most famous, Jeremiah Denton, said, “We forced them [the guards] to be brutal to us.”[11] I relay this not to minimize the hardships that the POWs endured, nor to excuse it– but to attempt belatedly to restore a greater depth of insight into the entire POW experience with their captors
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Why those ungrateful POWs, clogging up the toilets, and all!
I’m sure this deceitful POS Fonda has rationalized her appalling behavior to her own narcissistic satisfaction.
“...but to attempt belatedly to restore a greater depth of insight into the entire POW experience with their captors”
Vomit - utter vomit. What an appalling human being she is!
I’ve noticed at her blog that only supporting replies are allowed. She’s still a coward.
I believe she, and others, spat on our troops although at the time I was too young and isolated on a rural farm to actually see any protests.
However, in my experience as an adult, and for the sin of holding a “We Support Our Troops” sign, I’ve been spat on, slugged in the face, been colorfully sworn at, and had garbage of all kinds thrown at me. The left hasn’t changed at all.
Believing the hippies did vile things in the 60’s and 70’s is not a far reach.
Jane Fonda likes it long and hard. Just ask the Vietnamese Army.
I have to agree with that. Trying to make her peace with God and the world before she kicks the bucket. Good one Jane-Ho.
No sincere apology contains the words “may have”.
As others have said, she said what she said and she did what she did, so reap what you sow.
If she has a legitimate “complaint” it would be that although there were many, many traitors in that period - she has become the symbol of the actions and words of many.
The fact that she went farther than others (actually going to NV) and the fact that she was already a powerful media symbol, the particular way she went about it is why this has occurred.
It’s not a lot different than Barry Bonds being a symbol for the steroid era in baseball. Which is not to directly compare BB to JF. But it is to point out that BB was not the only one to use steroids, but if you say “Quick who benefited from steroids” BB is who would most immediately come to mind and if you were to write a biography of BB there would be multiple chapters related to steroids and the aftermath.
Bill Clinton, John Kerry, Donald Sutherland, Bill Ayres and many, many others did horrible things back then. And yes, this has been pointed out multiple times. But for mostly understandable reasons it is Hanoi Jane around whom the association is strongest.
And, of course, aside from people like say David Horowitz, no one of these people has ever really apologized (in a meaningful way) with Hanoi Jane included.
So if she has a point - it’s that “I was a traitorous POS but I wasn’t the only one - just the most visible”.
But, I admit, it’s a fine point, and she’s never going to say that anyway. So, for practical purposes, she, like BB is going to remain a symbol of a shameful era.
” On November 21, 1970 she told a University of Michigan audience of some two thousand students, “If you understood what communism was, you would hope, you would pray on your knees that we would some day become communist.” At Duke University in North Carolina she repeated what she had said in Michigan, adding “I, a socialist, think that we should strive toward a socialist society, all the way to communism. “ Washington Times July 7, 2000”
As of now, my comment is still waiting moderation.
I tried to be subtle so it would get posted, but I’m not flattering the to commie witch.
What's to expose? The truth has been known for years who this BITCH is and what's she's done!
This post just provides more of the same that is better dead than read!
I’m surprised, mine was up w/in minutes and my *replies* were posted immediately...that’s not to say that they will not get flagged and deleted as the day progresses. I doubt if the lie-berals who posted will go back and look at their comments [and some of my replies] on the site at any future date.
So far, I’m the only dissenting voice over there. WOO HOO!
Thank you for that link. That is what needs to be circulated instead of that stupid email about slips of paper being palmed to the Hanoi Ho.
Jane, just go away, will you.
LOL! I have that picture!!! (as do many!)
Not sure if it has something to do with being *logged in* but it works fine. I even got to post an avatar...[might as well waste as much bandwidth of their's as possible]
Jane, why don’t you go live in that workers’ paradise of Vietnam?
LOL! I love it.
She doesn't regret SITTING on the anti-aircraft gun. She regrets that she allowed a picture of her sitting on the anti-aircraft gun to be taken!
Makes it kind of hard to deny, doesn't it, Jane.
Thank goodness you had the wherewithal to not allow pictures of you spitting on American POWSs as they were marched in front of you in chains.
She tries to cover it with this:
I relay this not to minimize the hardships that the POWs endured, nor to excuse it– but to attempt belatedly to restore a greater depth of insight into the entire POW experience with their captors.
The problem is that its way too obvious that minimizing and excusing is exactly what she is doing, for the sake of rationalizing what she did.
She went to show suport for opposition to the war. Period.
She got what she wanted and should suffer the consequences. Her actions were Treason and she should have been prosecuted for it.
The SOBs are anything but anti-war. They are anti-US military, pro-revolution. They never met a leftist uprising they didn't support. They worship monsters like Mao, Stalin and Castro. Hard to be "anti-war" with heroes like these.
"...if the United States were to set a date for withdrawal the prisoners of war would be returned."-J.F. Kerry
"Under questioning from the Committee, Kerry referred to the democratically elected government of South Vietnam -- our allies -- as a "dictatorial regime, the Thieu-Ky-Khiem regime," while respectfully calling the North Vietnamese communist regime we were fighting by its oxymoronic official name, the Democratic Republic of Vietnam, and the murderous Viet Cong's political arm by their preferred "Provisional Revolutionary Government.":
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/chavez042804.asp
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June, 1970 -- Kerry joins Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), a national veterans group that is part of the Peoples Coalition for Peace and Justice. The PCPJ is a broad coalition of local and national organizations, including the Communist Party, USA, "committed to conducting demonstrations aimed at ending the war in Indochina, and poverty, racism and injustice at home." The VVAW, CCI and PCPJ all have headquarters at 156 Fifth Avenue in New York City. VVAW Executive Secretary Al Hubbard, a former Black Panther, is also on the coordinating committee of the PCPJ. Hubbard soon appoints Kerry to the VVAW's Executive Committee, bypassing the normal election process.
http://www.wintersoldier.com/index.php?topic=Timeline
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Fact: The Black Panthers were revolutionary communists...
From the Maoist Internationist Movement:
[1960s/original] Black Panther Party [BPP] Archives
From the article: REVOLUTIONARY HEROS
"On May 1st, May Day [1969], the day of the gigantic Free Huey rally, two of Alioto's top executioners vamped on the brothers from the Brown Community who were attending to their own affairs. These brothers, who are endowed with the revolutionary spirit of the Black Panther Party defended themselves from the racist pig gestapo [i.e., the police].
Pig Joseph Brodnik received his just reward with a big hole in the chest. Pig Paul McGoran got his in the mouth which was not quite enough to off him.
The revolutionary brothers escaped the huge swarm of pigs with dogs, mace, tanks and helicopters, proving once again that "the spirit of the people is greater than the man's technology."
To these brothers the revolutionary people of racist America want to say, by your revolutionary deed you are heroes, and that you are always welcome to our camp."
Source: Maoist Internationist Movement
Article: REVOLUTIONARY HEROS (May 11, 1969):
http://web.archive.org/web/20060717050055/http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/bpp/index.html
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November 22, 1970 -- During a fund-raising tour for GI deserters, Vietnam Veterans Against the War and the Black Panthers, Jane Fonda is quoted in the Detroit Free Press as telling a University of Michigan audience:
"I would think that if you understood what communism was, you would hope, you would pray on your knees that we would someday become communist," and "The peace proposal of the Viet Cong is the only honorable, just, possible way to achieve peace in Vietnam."
http://www.wintersoldier.com/index.php?topic=Timeline
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John Kerry and the VVAW--Hanoi's American Puppets?
"Two recently discovered documents captured from the Vietnamese communists during the Vietnam War strongly support the contention that a close link existed between the Hanoi regime and the Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) while John Kerry served as the group's leading national spokesman."
http://www.wintersoldier.com/staticpages/index.php?page=puppets
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Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) Complete FBI files:
http://www.wintersoldier.com/index.php?topic=VVAWFBI
Okay, I’m on her web site. Saw you post. Amazing, after all this time how many people are still affected by the acid they dropped in the 1960’s. Just proves how gullible liberals are.
Typical Marxist revisionism.
I have little doubt that she’s convinced herself over the years about this new narrative she’s sharing. The rationalizations the human mind can make to justify even the worst atrocities are nothing short of amazing. I am sure that Nazi war criminals who avoided capture for several decades convinced themselves of similar narratives, that they were never “true believers” and that they were tricked and coerced.
But at the end of the day, facts are facts. Independent witnesses can elaborate what she did and said forty years ago. She bought into the North Vietnamese propaganda. She allowed them to convince her that they were really the good guys, fighting for justice and equality and that our boys over there represented an oppressive, imperialist regime. And she acted accordingly and good Americans suffered as a result.
At the end of the day, do I believe she got suckered? Yeah. But you know what? That doesn’t excuse a damn thing. When you’re willing to put fine words over your own countrymen, you deserve to be deceived. You also deserve to be held in the deepest disdain for what you do under that deception.
What Fonda did was not the sort of thing you can take back by saying, “Sorry, I was tricked and made a terrible mistake.” Her actions had consequences. She deserves every word of harsh criticism she receives for those actions.
Authors Henry and Erika Holzer talked about their book, Aid and Comfort: Jane Fonda in North Vietnam, published by McFarland and Company. In their book, the authors make the assertion that for her sympathy towards North Vietnamese as witnessed in publicity photos and speeches, Jane Fonda could have been tried for treason. The authors cited a variety of examples and afterwards, answered questions from members of the audience, a group of Vietnam veterans.
If you were 40 years younger we would have photographs of you in Afghanistan helping the Taliban set up IEDs.
You are an evil treasonous Leftist and your legacy as the female Benedict Arnold is set in stone.
There's truth in you words!
What I really don’t understand about her is that if she is remorseful for her actions about being anti-war and not anti-soldier then why hasn’t she given the rest of her life to the USO. Visiting troops in a positive way. People make mistakes in life and are very remorseful but she just does not seem fully remorseful even in this explanation from her very words. Why doesn’t she visit VA hospitals on a weekly or at least monthly basis. She can do WAY more to show how sorry she is, but has not really shown any actions to really being sorry. I believe that what she is really sorry about is that the story won’t stop and it is annoying to her.
Several years ago, Hanoi Jane was signing books at a publicity event. A Viet Nam Vet stood in line with a big wad of chewing tobacco. When it was "his turn," he nailed her right in the face and said he was "returning the favor." Although I don't condone his act, I certainly understand why he did it. I don't know if he was prosecuted; but he deserved a pass.
Thank you for your service, antceecee.
The truth about your trip to Hanoi, bitch, is that you took that trip to Hanoi.
Thanks Keltik.
Jane, your explanation and your excuses ring as hollow with me today as they did back in the day. As proud service member at the time, and a still proud veteran today, your actions, your words and deeds, were treasonous, and very likely contributed to the emotional and physical stress and torture those POW’s were living with EVERY SINGLE DAY.
You will have to live with that.
For my part...you sowed that field, and you deserve to reap whatever putrid crop it produces.
Now, go away. There are patriots across the land with no need for you and your kind.
WinterSoldier.com has the only complete set of transcripts of Fonda's 1972 broadcasts on Radio Hanoi.
Note the similarities to the "war crimes" propaganda of John Kerry, the Vietnam Veterans Against the War, and generations of leftists since then.
Jane is getting confused and senile in her old age. Karl Marx said that, under socialism, all women must be equally available for all men. That's why socialism is so attractive to beta-males.
My God, Jane.
You got fired because no one wants to buy your crap any more.
I wouldn’t buy from you because of being a traitor, but that is not why they fired you.
The people watching these shows have no freakin’ idea of who you are. You are just an old lady hawking crap.
Get over yourself.
Actually, Jane and her ilk hoped the Soviets would win the cold war.
Me thinks the bitch doth protest too much. And too unconvincingly. F you Jane.
I tried to read the whole thing but it was such drivel my eyes started to cloud over. I had friends wounded in Nam.
Long story short Jane Fonda, a card carrying co-dependent moron who was over 30 years of age traveled to an enemy nation we were at war with and gave the enemy aid and assistance whether she likes to admit it or not. Ignorance is not always an excuse. Her presence there did nothing to shorten the war or obtain the release of our POW’s. It was a disgrace and embarrassment to our nation and I’m sure her father rest his soul.
I love way the way Hanoi Jane rationlizes that her visit was OK because the N Vietnamese had “stopped torturing” our POW’s. Like it was OK that it ever happened.
Memo to Jane: The only reason you were not brought up on charges of Treason and put in federal prison was because your father was a national icon and nobody had the heart to do it. Its a tribute to the decency of Viet Nam Vets that you are still alive and kicking and spouting your Commie crapola to this day.
Her huddy Hayden was also on the trip to Hanoi with Hanoi Jane and her infamous affair with the commie anti-aircraft gun. Both of them were and are traitors to our country. The two traitors are with Moonbeam Brown in the below pic, quite a trio.
I condone his act, I applaud his act, I support his act & I wish he'd repeat his act.
Excellent catch!!! She regrets being found out, not the underlying act. Just another indication that the apology is hollow.
"No Jane, this isn't the truth - this is just your attempt to reinvent your past. You left out any discussion of your collaboration with the enemy during the war, particularly your propaganda broadcasts from Radio Hanoi, calling us "war criminals" and exhorting us to surrender to the enemy. The transcripts of those broadcasts are still available so you can't deny it. You also made press statements that were supportive of the enemy and when you returned, put out statements alleging that we "were engaged in genocidal warfare" by "bombing the Red River Dikes" to "cause flooding and mass casualties". You knew that these charges were a lie but you put them out anyway to support the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong efforts. These weren't "peace" activities, these were treasonous acts committed while a quarter million American citizens and our allies were fighting a few miles south of where you were was helping the men who were trying to kill us.Just exactly how would we have treated someone who had traveled to Germany or Japan during WW II and met with the enemy leaders, made supportive press statements, made propaganda broadcasts, and then returned home to accuse American fighting men of "war crimes"? Since when is supporting the enemy an activity for "peace"? Demonstrating against a war is anyone's right but actively supporting an enemy against us is not - you should have been charged with treason and I am sure that you would have been convicted. You should be ashamed of herself. "
I wonder how many letters like this she got and didn't publish? We need to keep after her and all those syncophants that support her.
And they didnt troture POWs while she was there...and she didnt know about it anyway....
This scumbag should have been dis-allowed back in the country...let her stay in North Vietnam....that workers paradise......SHHSSSSSSSS
Jane Fonda replied to me PERSONALLY!!
Her reply is exactly what I expected. We've gotten under her skin and she can't change the past, so she has to "revise" it. Too bad so many people today don't remember the Vietnam War era and we prosecute treason anymore!!
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