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The no-kids-allowed movement is spreading
Shine via Yahoo! ^ | Wednesday, July 27, 2011 | Piper Weiss

Posted on 07/27/2011 12:00:44 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows

What's the matter with kids today and why doesn't anyone want them around? In June, Malaysia Airlines banned babies from many of their first class cabins, prompting other major airlines to consider similar policies.

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Earlier this month, McDain's, a Pittsburgh area restaurant that banned kids under 6 became a mascot for the no-kids-zone movement.

According to a Pittsburgh local news poll, more than half of area residents were in favor of the ban. And now big business is paying attention.

"Brat bans could well be the next frontier in destination and leisure-product marketing," writes Robert Klara in an article on the child-free trend in AdWeek.

Klara points to Leavethembehind.com, a travel website for kid-free vacations, with a massive list of yoga retreats, luxury resorts and bargain hotels around the world that ban children.

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To: SUSSA

I bet the other patrons were tempted to give a round of applause.


101 posted on 07/27/2011 1:38:42 PM PDT by Immerito (Reading Through the Bible in 90 Days)
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To: SUSSA

Problem is in this modern world of people looking for handouts people would then tell their kids to be a pain so they can get a free dinner. Now restaurants rush the food to the brat table to get them out fast.


102 posted on 07/27/2011 1:38:47 PM PDT by discostu (keep on keeping on)
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To: AlmaKing
Here is the applicable California Civil Code Section 654:

"654. The ownership of a thing is the right of one or more persons to possess and use it to the exclusion of others. In this Code, the thing of which there may be ownership is called property."

103 posted on 07/27/2011 1:40:25 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Sonny M
Keep in mind, I am not anti-child, if I go to a restaurant and there is a kids menu, that to me, means its a appropriate for children to be there, as its a family establishment, but these are parents who are bringing their kids to places where there is nothing on the menu that the little tykes would want.

COMMON SENSE AT LAST!

AFAIC, if these "parents" have to drag their little darlings to the 'adults' eatery, it means they really can't afford to be there...otherwise they would spend some money on a sitter.

Often enough, instead of taking them to the 'family' restaurant, where they would have to PAY for a kid's meal, I've seen them try to get an 'extra plate' and give them some of this or that off thier plates, and chisle by feeding the kid without paying extra. I'm probably not too far wrong in assuming that they don't tip accordingly, either...if at all.

One I knew had a "policy" of either no tip for "okay service"; or a flat $1, depending on whether she 'got good service', with no regard to price or quality; nor how many 'extra' demands she made, etc.

104 posted on 07/27/2011 1:56:33 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Made in America, by proud American citizens, in 1946.)
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To: netmilsmom
Bull. Who do you think made them that way? The Greatest Generation. The ones who voted in the massive entitlements that WE now have to pay for.

Yep. I say to them "Hey thanks for saving the world from Hiter and Tojo... and then screwing up your kids and making them the 60s generation." I've always wondered how the GG created the Baby Boomer mentality. Is it because the parents were too giving towards their children because they had nothing growing up in the depression, because they were so strict and abusive (seems like a lot of boomers I knew had fathers who beat their moms) that the 60s were a unavoidable reaction, because they were so unwilling to discuss facts of life (refusing to talk to their kids about things like sex instead of telling them what it is but also stressing that it was something meant by God for two married people to enjoy) leaving the kids completely unknowing what to do when they reached "maturity", a combination of the above, or something else?

105 posted on 07/27/2011 2:04:33 PM PDT by chargers fan
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To: Slings and Arrows; Responsibility2nd; Bigh4u2
Interesting - in neither bio does it actually say that she’s a parent.

Except for the part where she says she played a disturbed mother in the movie "Without." ;-)

106 posted on 07/27/2011 2:08:03 PM PDT by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

In a couple of decades we’ll be wondering while the birth rate is way down.


107 posted on 07/27/2011 2:09:41 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Obama, eat your GOPeas.)
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To: Allegra

Does sound a bit like Tommy Chong playing a stoner.


108 posted on 07/27/2011 2:16:10 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: lonestar
Adults have abdicated because they don't want the children "mad."

Sadly, they care more about being their 'friends', than their parents.

109 posted on 07/27/2011 2:40:42 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: miss marmelstein
Possible, I'm mixed between steakhouses (hell, I live near Peter Lugers, lol) and I like going to french, and fusion style places. I avoid the upper end places during the holiday seasons, if I went, I'd lose my mind.

I do tend to avoid places that have a kids menu, but I do get that if they have one, its a family place, and I understand that. I'm surprised you don't see alot kids when you dine out, I see them alot, including bars over where I live (when their parents try to bring them in).

110 posted on 07/27/2011 3:04:14 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Slings and Arrows

I have children and have no problem with this. Free Enterprise allows for a private business to set their own rules. Many bitched about non-smoking places but I loved it because I don’t like cigarette smoke. There will be people who bitch about this but they can take their screaming kids to someplace that welcomes them.


111 posted on 07/27/2011 3:09:24 PM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Going into Rehab means never having to say you are sorry....)
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To: KosmicKitty

That’s a good way to handle it. Unfortunately for most parents, they fail to see McDonalds as a training ground so they use it as a playground instead. Kids need to play, to roughhouse, to run around, but not indoors. They need that exercise on a playground or in the backyard, or in a creek, or up a tree. Parents just need to each them when to behave and when to horse around.


112 posted on 07/27/2011 3:13:54 PM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Reddy

Yes. This is the new and improved gay culture; the watermelon “overpopulation” freakoids’ dream come true. Turn those with no children against the people with children. Hate children. Do not tolerate children. Gays call them “breeders.”

There is no question that many parents don’t know how to raise and train their children anymore. And there is no question that these same anti-kid adults would rant and rave - call the police - if they saw or heard of a parent spank their child. Most of the time children are awake is spend in public institutions and these strangers have no self discipline, respect, love and morals. They are teaching other people’s girls to pole dance in British public schools. And homos are working over American children here.

I don’t know about others, but we rarely did adult things with our chlidren before they were trained to be in public. We tag teamed for shopping. We did not go to fancy resturants (couldn’t afford to). We would not dream of taking them to the theater or a public entertainment venue designed for adults. All this would be too stressful for us! We did not turn them over to strangers to raise.

When the kids got older (starting around 3), it was an honor to be permitted to go with us on a short adult trip. If they screwed up, they knew they would not be coming along for a long time.

My seven year old got hollared at by a young feminist once for holding the door open for her - the little sexist pig. Which is another reason I didn’t like taking them out among American adults often. American adults are largely self indulgent immoral pigs these days. That goes hand in hand with the hatred of “breeders.”


113 posted on 07/27/2011 3:22:04 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: netmilsmom

As a baby boomer, I can safely say my own parents weren’t among those who bought into the Dr. Spock lies that resulted in selfish baby-boomers. My father believed if you spare the rod you spoil the child.


114 posted on 07/27/2011 3:22:08 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (SP12: They called Reagan "unelectable", too.)
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To: dfwgator

Holder’s Kids?


115 posted on 07/27/2011 3:26:40 PM PDT by Protoss
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To: djf

I totally agree with you. Their place, their rules.

But the smoking nazis who profess freedom to do business somehow find ways to draw the line when it comes to smokers.


116 posted on 07/27/2011 3:43:38 PM PDT by altura ( Palin/Ryan---or Palin/Perry (for the best looking ticket ever))
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Yes. Last night at a semi-upscale seafood place we encountered children running through the place and shrieking, chasing and playing as though they were on a playground.

Since they didn’t light at any table, parents could not be identified. These were not toddlers but 7, 8 or 9 year olds. It was weird.


117 posted on 07/27/2011 3:46:25 PM PDT by altura ( Palin/Ryan---or Palin/Perry (for the best looking ticket ever))
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To: Sonny M

Ugh, kids in bars. I was visiting some friends in Brooklyn and we all went out to get a drink. I got sloshed and started using colourful language. This nunce comes up to me and says her toddler doesn’t need to hear such words.

Kids in a place with a kid’s menu? No problem. I generally don’t eat at those places either. But, why, why do you have a kid in a bar?


118 posted on 07/27/2011 3:49:39 PM PDT by NikkiB
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To: momtothree

>>I tell them to discuss it with their therapist when they are older. LOL!<<

That is a brilliant line.


119 posted on 07/27/2011 3:51:09 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: chargers fan

>>”Hey thanks for saving the world from Hiter and Tojo... and then screwing up your kids and making them the 60s generation.” I’ve always wondered how the GG created the Baby Boomer mentality. Is it because the parents were too giving towards their children because they had nothing growing up in the depression<<

I suspect they were drinking and prescription drugging themselves into oblivion and didn’t care to raise their dumplings. The kids were props to the perfect lifestyles.


120 posted on 07/27/2011 4:10:27 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: Slings and Arrows

I have a relative who, when she got married, requested that parents not bring children to the ceremony (this included close relatives), so as to avoid the possibility of any sort of disruption of the “perfect” wedding.

The wedding was a lavish but sad and shallow affair. The marriage failed in an ugly crack-up after 2 years.


121 posted on 07/27/2011 4:44:33 PM PDT by cookcounty (Nullius in Verba. "Take no man's word for it.")
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
We're in Mississippi, and don't see it often. Our girls both went to etiquette classes starting at 3, and at 5 the class included dining.

We only take them to family friendly places, and they know that there is a smack on the bottom coming if the get out of line.


122 posted on 07/27/2011 5:17:08 PM PDT by kiki04 ("If a little knowledge is dangerous, where is a man who has so much as to be out of danger?" - THH)
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To: kiki04
Yay! Someone else who does not see it that often. Honestly I was beginning to think that I walked around in a cloud because out of control children are a rarity in my area.

Congratulations on raising civilized members of the human race.

123 posted on 07/27/2011 5:55:34 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (I have no time to worry about turbot, a parrot is eating my house)
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To: trumandogz
I’m all for the no babies in First or Business Class, but the ban at restaurants in unnecessary as you can avoid kids by dining at restaurants that would not attract people who drag their kids along. Or at least the type of folks that cannot control their kids

There is no such place. Some people are oblivious and stay that way all their life.

124 posted on 07/27/2011 6:11:50 PM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: married21
If old farts want my kids’ social security contribution they should stop whining about the mere presence of children. There are definitely some selfish old people and childless people out there. Fine. They can care for each other in their final years and see how that goes for them.

Yeah, yeah, some kids are brats. That can be dealt with on an ad hoc basis. And I’m not for bringing kids into a nightclub or something. But it’s getting scary when kids are seen more as burdens than blessings. We, the mere “breeders”, need backing, not disparaging.

It is his business and his decision. If you don't agree with it you are free to patronize another business. If his business suffers he may choose to change his policy. If his business improves others may choose to copy it.

That is how FREE enterprise works.

125 posted on 07/27/2011 6:18:17 PM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: allmendream

Such inept and lazy parents produce individuals who are a problem not only for them but also for the rest of society.


126 posted on 07/27/2011 6:32:06 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Palin in 2012)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free; netmilsmom
As a baby boomer, I can safely say my own parents weren’t among those who bought into the Dr. Spock lies that resulted in selfish baby-boomers. My father believed if you spare the rod you spoil the child.

My parents had a copy of Dr. Spock's book, until my mother threw it at my sister and broke it into about 6 pieces..... seriously.

127 posted on 07/27/2011 6:40:25 PM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: Slings and Arrows

I love all the comments about children encroaching on their “rights.” Forget al qaeda or socialism. The most pernicious threat to liberty, equality and fraternity is the screeching 4 year old.

These same star-bellied sneetches will no doubt be the first to bitch and moan about “their” social security check being reduced or their retirement account losing value. They’ll miss the irony of that being because there aren’t enough young adults to grow the economy, pay the taxes, and otherwise support them in the manner they’ve grown accustomed.


128 posted on 07/27/2011 7:10:14 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (STOP the looting - Repudiate the National Debt)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

“Selfish to the core. It is always ALWAYS only about them. Give me. Mine. Me, me, me, me, me.”

Yup, and in so doing ensure that there isn’t much to be gotten. You have to plant a tree to have fruit, and you have to raise children to have a future. I guess the idea of helping out has never occurred to them.


129 posted on 07/27/2011 7:19:17 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (STOP the looting - Repudiate the National Debt)
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To: netmilsmom; AlmaKing

As a Boomer—1946 vintage; the REAL “boom year”—I resent the characterization as “selfish”; “me, me, me...”. My parents made sure it was about ADULTS; not mme.

What it now boils down to is simply wanting what I pay for:

I pay for a cheap, fast belly full of ballast at McD’s or DQ, and all that goes with it is accepted and fully tolerated;

at a ‘family restaurant’, or even moderately nice place I’m paying for the, decent service, and clean utensils, and what goes with that is again tolerable and accepted;

when I take the trouble to break out the dinner clothes, and go to a good restaurant, I’m paying primarily for ambiance, and I darn well better get that; the food and service also has to be acceptable, but it is the intangables that are being paid for in that case and I want and deserve them.


130 posted on 07/27/2011 7:22:08 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Made in America, by proud American citizens, in 1946.)
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To: bcsco

I was TRYING to shop tonight while a “mother” let her two kids push one another in a shopping cart into people while screaming at the top of their lungs. She never said a damn word to them, not one. I just gave up and left.


131 posted on 07/27/2011 7:22:49 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: SaraJohnson

“American adults are largely self indulgent immoral pigs these days. That goes hand in hand with the hatred of “breeders.”

I need to truncate that and use it as a tagline. Thanks!


132 posted on 07/27/2011 7:29:13 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat
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To: cookcounty

“I have a relative who, when she got married, requested that parents not bring children to the ceremony (this included close relatives), so as to avoid the possibility of any sort of disruption of the “perfect” wedding.”

That’s almost as good as daytime Christmas parties where children are banned.


133 posted on 07/27/2011 7:34:31 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat
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To: kcvl

“I was TRYING to shop tonight while a “mother” let her two kids push one another in a shopping cart into people while screaming at the top of their lungs. She never said a damn word to them, not one.”

So...why didn’t YOU say something to them? Sometimes you have to be the example. Note- I didn’t say touch a hair on their little heads. A command voice from a stranger will often do what a tired parent cannot.


134 posted on 07/27/2011 7:41:21 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat
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To: RKBA Democrat

Because I had worked my ass off all day and wasn’t in the mood for a confrontation with mommy dearest.


135 posted on 07/27/2011 7:45:27 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: verga

As a baby Boomer, I noted we are the most selfish generation of Americans so far but I won’t blame my parent’s generation for causing it. Not straight up I won’t.

My parent’s generation tried to give them a good life after their hardships of the depression & WWII. They didn’t cause the problems with the Boomers. Communist infiltration and socialist activism caused it.

They were told you had to coddle your kids by Dr. Spock. They were told the death penalty was cruel and should be banned and prison should “rehabilitate” not punish. They were told welfare would save families. They were told that Ted Kennedy’s immigration laws wouldn’t cause their grandchildren to become minorities in their own nation.

They were sold a bad bill of goods. They were completely lied to and just didn’t know better and were trusting of the “experts” who were doing all they could to install the Communist manifesto. All they wanted after WWII was life, peace and happiness and the hope that their children would not know war and strife and anxiety.

It wasn’t their fault the baby boomers wound up being the most Selfish Generation.


136 posted on 07/27/2011 7:53:19 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (SP12: They called Reagan "unelectable", too.)
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To: Mike Darancette

Isn’t the birth rate down now? I know more couples without children than with. They are called DINKS. Double Income, no kids. A lot of these couples are both college educated, make good salaries and are married. They just have no desire for children.


137 posted on 07/27/2011 7:55:59 PM PDT by kiki04 ("If a little knowledge is dangerous, where is a man who has so much as to be out of danger?" - THH)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Given the miserable state of parenting in this country, I fully understand the marketability of getting away from OPK’s (other people’s kids). However, there are fine parents doing the job that wasn’t uncommon just a generation or two back. Assuming that mom stays home and they homeschool, they probably can’t afford to go out to ear much anyway . . . ;)

Flame away.


138 posted on 07/27/2011 8:11:10 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth
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To: metmom

We take our kids to nice restaurants. Restaurants that are considered expensive in our small town... total bill about $300 with tip and people thank us for our well behaved kids... then again, they’re home schooled.


139 posted on 07/27/2011 9:33:02 PM PDT by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: RKBA Democrat; kcvl
So...why didn’t YOU say something to them? Sometimes you have to be the example. Note- I didn’t say touch a hair on their little heads. A command voice from a stranger will often do what a tired parent cannot.

On the one or two occasions that I have done just that, Mommie dearest went off on a skree that would have put the saltiest drunken sailor to shame. Yeah been there don that and won't make that mistake again.

Please keep in mind that I am a professional educator and I deal with other peoples kids all day long. The vast majority are not poorly behaved I would go so far asto say that they are very well behaved.

When we go to Cici's or the like we expect and look forward children running around, but when I take my wife to a nice (adult oriented) resturant I expect to see children sitting quietly if they are there at all.

140 posted on 07/28/2011 2:49:30 AM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: scripter

We’ve been complimented on our kids behavior as well, and that was when they were really little.

OTOH, they LOVED to eat out and KNEW that if they acted up, it wouldn’t happen again. Plus, crayons and a coloring placemat provided by the restaurant go a long way to relieve the boredom waiting for the food.

It’s a weird thing, I think that people both expect too much and not enough out of their kids at the same time. Kids can rise to the level you set for them, but they are, after all, only children and do not have the self-control that adults do. Sometimes you have to work within their limitations. IOW, start out at family friendly restaurants where their behavior isn’t quite such an issue and no REALLY fancy restaurants until they were mature enough to handle it.


141 posted on 07/28/2011 3:42:45 AM PDT by metmom (Be the kind of woman that when you wake in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: trumandogz

That could make for some expensive dining.


142 posted on 07/28/2011 3:49:51 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: kcvl

If the kid had hit me, I’d have called the police and have the mother on assault charges. After I’d informed the store they were open to a suit.


143 posted on 07/28/2011 3:59:59 AM PDT by bcsco
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To: martin_fierro
FREERIDERS....People are noticing.

I am not childless, I am childFREE!!!

144 posted on 07/28/2011 9:21:34 AM PDT by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult.)
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To: fidelis
A considerate person wouldn’t bring their children to restaurants if they are disturbing other diners. And when it comes to inconsiderate parents, business owners should, out of consideration for their other customers, have the wuevos to confront (and if necessary) expel rude parents and their kids. People have sued for being asked to leave establishments in the past. Enacting the policy stop any law suits asking for $$ for pain and suffering for the embarrassment of being asked to leave. In this litigious society it is better to avid the confrontation and say no kids!!
145 posted on 07/28/2011 9:31:18 AM PDT by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

I think it is a sign of the times when parents can not get away from the children via extended family babysitting.

One sets aside time to be together as husband and wife without the kids only to have it ruined by somebody else’s brats.

OR

just trying to find the other have only to have to endure screamig and running children.

or

well lets just skip airplane flights.


146 posted on 07/28/2011 9:49:10 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Slings and Arrows

147 posted on 07/28/2011 10:32:35 AM PDT by Daffynition ("Don't just live your life, but witness it also.")
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To: Slings and Arrows

I currently have five kids. We rarely take them out to eat because it is too expensive, for starters, and because it is almost guaranteed that at some point or another, one of them will melt down. We try to get it under control quickly but there have been a couple of times where we have asked for to-go boxes and got the heck out of there!

I don’t want to disturb other customers and I certainly believe that businesses have the right to set their own rules. I do still hold a bit of a grudge against rules like this because we treat our kids to the restaurant of their choice for their birthdays. I’d hate to think that one of my older kids wouldn’t be able to enjoy a “fancy” restaurant because he/she has a younger sibling.

We’ll just choose another place to eat but I think that I’ll probably never go to a place like this, even when I’m child free. I wonder if my kids will grow to do the same. They don’t want my business now? So be it but they will most likely not get it in the future, either.


148 posted on 07/28/2011 10:37:10 AM PDT by samiam1972 ("It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish."-Mother Teresa)
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To: Daffynition

I can think of several jokes for this image, and most of them would get me banned.


149 posted on 07/28/2011 10:58:47 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows
Then who would manage the kitty-ping and *not* ping lists? You'd be missed for 15 minutes. :(


150 posted on 07/28/2011 12:14:46 PM PDT by Daffynition ("Don't just live your life, but witness it also.")
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