Skip to comments.The no-kids-allowed movement is spreading
Posted on 07/27/2011 12:00:44 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows
What's the matter with kids today and why doesn't anyone want them around? In June, Malaysia Airlines banned babies from many of their first class cabins, prompting other major airlines to consider similar policies.
Earlier this month, McDain's, a Pittsburgh area restaurant that banned kids under 6 became a mascot for the no-kids-zone movement.
According to a Pittsburgh local news poll, more than half of area residents were in favor of the ban. And now big business is paying attention.
"Brat bans could well be the next frontier in destination and leisure-product marketing," writes Robert Klara in an article on the child-free trend in AdWeek.
Klara points to Leavethembehind.com, a travel website for kid-free vacations, with a massive list of yoga retreats, luxury resorts and bargain hotels around the world that ban children.
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I bet the other patrons were tempted to give a round of applause.
Problem is in this modern world of people looking for handouts people would then tell their kids to be a pain so they can get a free dinner. Now restaurants rush the food to the brat table to get them out fast.
"654. The ownership of a thing is the right of one or more persons to possess and use it to the exclusion of others. In this Code, the thing of which there may be ownership is called property."
COMMON SENSE AT LAST!
AFAIC, if these "parents" have to drag their little darlings to the 'adults' eatery, it means they really can't afford to be there...otherwise they would spend some money on a sitter.
Often enough, instead of taking them to the 'family' restaurant, where they would have to PAY for a kid's meal, I've seen them try to get an 'extra plate' and give them some of this or that off thier plates, and chisle by feeding the kid without paying extra. I'm probably not too far wrong in assuming that they don't tip accordingly, either...if at all.
One I knew had a "policy" of either no tip for "okay service"; or a flat $1, depending on whether she 'got good service', with no regard to price or quality; nor how many 'extra' demands she made, etc.
Yep. I say to them "Hey thanks for saving the world from Hiter and Tojo... and then screwing up your kids and making them the 60s generation." I've always wondered how the GG created the Baby Boomer mentality. Is it because the parents were too giving towards their children because they had nothing growing up in the depression, because they were so strict and abusive (seems like a lot of boomers I knew had fathers who beat their moms) that the 60s were a unavoidable reaction, because they were so unwilling to discuss facts of life (refusing to talk to their kids about things like sex instead of telling them what it is but also stressing that it was something meant by God for two married people to enjoy) leaving the kids completely unknowing what to do when they reached "maturity", a combination of the above, or something else?
Except for the part where she says she played a disturbed mother in the movie "Without." ;-)
In a couple of decades we’ll be wondering while the birth rate is way down.
Does sound a bit like Tommy Chong playing a stoner.
Sadly, they care more about being their 'friends', than their parents.
I do tend to avoid places that have a kids menu, but I do get that if they have one, its a family place, and I understand that. I'm surprised you don't see alot kids when you dine out, I see them alot, including bars over where I live (when their parents try to bring them in).
I have children and have no problem with this. Free Enterprise allows for a private business to set their own rules. Many bitched about non-smoking places but I loved it because I don’t like cigarette smoke. There will be people who bitch about this but they can take their screaming kids to someplace that welcomes them.
That’s a good way to handle it. Unfortunately for most parents, they fail to see McDonalds as a training ground so they use it as a playground instead. Kids need to play, to roughhouse, to run around, but not indoors. They need that exercise on a playground or in the backyard, or in a creek, or up a tree. Parents just need to each them when to behave and when to horse around.
Yes. This is the new and improved gay culture; the watermelon “overpopulation” freakoids’ dream come true. Turn those with no children against the people with children. Hate children. Do not tolerate children. Gays call them “breeders.”
There is no question that many parents don’t know how to raise and train their children anymore. And there is no question that these same anti-kid adults would rant and rave - call the police - if they saw or heard of a parent spank their child. Most of the time children are awake is spend in public institutions and these strangers have no self discipline, respect, love and morals. They are teaching other people’s girls to pole dance in British public schools. And homos are working over American children here.
I don’t know about others, but we rarely did adult things with our chlidren before they were trained to be in public. We tag teamed for shopping. We did not go to fancy resturants (couldn’t afford to). We would not dream of taking them to the theater or a public entertainment venue designed for adults. All this would be too stressful for us! We did not turn them over to strangers to raise.
When the kids got older (starting around 3), it was an honor to be permitted to go with us on a short adult trip. If they screwed up, they knew they would not be coming along for a long time.
My seven year old got hollared at by a young feminist once for holding the door open for her - the little sexist pig. Which is another reason I didn’t like taking them out among American adults often. American adults are largely self indulgent immoral pigs these days. That goes hand in hand with the hatred of “breeders.”
As a baby boomer, I can safely say my own parents weren’t among those who bought into the Dr. Spock lies that resulted in selfish baby-boomers. My father believed if you spare the rod you spoil the child.
I totally agree with you. Their place, their rules.
But the smoking nazis who profess freedom to do business somehow find ways to draw the line when it comes to smokers.
Yes. Last night at a semi-upscale seafood place we encountered children running through the place and shrieking, chasing and playing as though they were on a playground.
Since they didn’t light at any table, parents could not be identified. These were not toddlers but 7, 8 or 9 year olds. It was weird.
Ugh, kids in bars. I was visiting some friends in Brooklyn and we all went out to get a drink. I got sloshed and started using colourful language. This nunce comes up to me and says her toddler doesn’t need to hear such words.
Kids in a place with a kid’s menu? No problem. I generally don’t eat at those places either. But, why, why do you have a kid in a bar?
>>I tell them to discuss it with their therapist when they are older. LOL!<<
That is a brilliant line.
>>”Hey thanks for saving the world from Hiter and Tojo... and then screwing up your kids and making them the 60s generation.” I’ve always wondered how the GG created the Baby Boomer mentality. Is it because the parents were too giving towards their children because they had nothing growing up in the depression<<
I suspect they were drinking and prescription drugging themselves into oblivion and didn’t care to raise their dumplings. The kids were props to the perfect lifestyles.
I have a relative who, when she got married, requested that parents not bring children to the ceremony (this included close relatives), so as to avoid the possibility of any sort of disruption of the “perfect” wedding.
The wedding was a lavish but sad and shallow affair. The marriage failed in an ugly crack-up after 2 years.
Congratulations on raising civilized members of the human race.
There is no such place. Some people are oblivious and stay that way all their life.
Yeah, yeah, some kids are brats. That can be dealt with on an ad hoc basis. And Im not for bringing kids into a nightclub or something. But its getting scary when kids are seen more as burdens than blessings. We, the mere breeders, need backing, not disparaging.
It is his business and his decision. If you don't agree with it you are free to patronize another business. If his business suffers he may choose to change his policy. If his business improves others may choose to copy it.
That is how FREE enterprise works.
Such inept and lazy parents produce individuals who are a problem not only for them but also for the rest of society.
My parents had a copy of Dr. Spock's book, until my mother threw it at my sister and broke it into about 6 pieces..... seriously.
I love all the comments about children encroaching on their “rights.” Forget al qaeda or socialism. The most pernicious threat to liberty, equality and fraternity is the screeching 4 year old.
These same star-bellied sneetches will no doubt be the first to bitch and moan about “their” social security check being reduced or their retirement account losing value. They’ll miss the irony of that being because there aren’t enough young adults to grow the economy, pay the taxes, and otherwise support them in the manner they’ve grown accustomed.
“Selfish to the core. It is always ALWAYS only about them. Give me. Mine. Me, me, me, me, me.”
Yup, and in so doing ensure that there isn’t much to be gotten. You have to plant a tree to have fruit, and you have to raise children to have a future. I guess the idea of helping out has never occurred to them.
As a Boomer—1946 vintage; the REAL “boom year”—I resent the characterization as “selfish”; “me, me, me...”. My parents made sure it was about ADULTS; not mme.
What it now boils down to is simply wanting what I pay for:
I pay for a cheap, fast belly full of ballast at McD’s or DQ, and all that goes with it is accepted and fully tolerated;
at a ‘family restaurant’, or even moderately nice place I’m paying for the, decent service, and clean utensils, and what goes with that is again tolerable and accepted;
when I take the trouble to break out the dinner clothes, and go to a good restaurant, I’m paying primarily for ambiance, and I darn well better get that; the food and service also has to be acceptable, but it is the intangables that are being paid for in that case and I want and deserve them.
I was TRYING to shop tonight while a “mother” let her two kids push one another in a shopping cart into people while screaming at the top of their lungs. She never said a damn word to them, not one. I just gave up and left.
“American adults are largely self indulgent immoral pigs these days. That goes hand in hand with the hatred of breeders.
I need to truncate that and use it as a tagline. Thanks!
“I have a relative who, when she got married, requested that parents not bring children to the ceremony (this included close relatives), so as to avoid the possibility of any sort of disruption of the perfect wedding.”
That’s almost as good as daytime Christmas parties where children are banned.
“I was TRYING to shop tonight while a mother let her two kids push one another in a shopping cart into people while screaming at the top of their lungs. She never said a damn word to them, not one.”
So...why didn’t YOU say something to them? Sometimes you have to be the example. Note- I didn’t say touch a hair on their little heads. A command voice from a stranger will often do what a tired parent cannot.
Because I had worked my ass off all day and wasn’t in the mood for a confrontation with mommy dearest.
As a baby Boomer, I noted we are the most selfish generation of Americans so far but I won’t blame my parent’s generation for causing it. Not straight up I won’t.
My parent’s generation tried to give them a good life after their hardships of the depression & WWII. They didn’t cause the problems with the Boomers. Communist infiltration and socialist activism caused it.
They were told you had to coddle your kids by Dr. Spock. They were told the death penalty was cruel and should be banned and prison should “rehabilitate” not punish. They were told welfare would save families. They were told that Ted Kennedy’s immigration laws wouldn’t cause their grandchildren to become minorities in their own nation.
They were sold a bad bill of goods. They were completely lied to and just didn’t know better and were trusting of the “experts” who were doing all they could to install the Communist manifesto. All they wanted after WWII was life, peace and happiness and the hope that their children would not know war and strife and anxiety.
It wasn’t their fault the baby boomers wound up being the most Selfish Generation.
Isn’t the birth rate down now? I know more couples without children than with. They are called DINKS. Double Income, no kids. A lot of these couples are both college educated, make good salaries and are married. They just have no desire for children.
Given the miserable state of parenting in this country, I fully understand the marketability of getting away from OPK’s (other people’s kids). However, there are fine parents doing the job that wasn’t uncommon just a generation or two back. Assuming that mom stays home and they homeschool, they probably can’t afford to go out to ear much anyway . . . ;)
We take our kids to nice restaurants. Restaurants that are considered expensive in our small town... total bill about $300 with tip and people thank us for our well behaved kids... then again, they’re home schooled.
On the one or two occasions that I have done just that, Mommie dearest went off on a skree that would have put the saltiest drunken sailor to shame. Yeah been there don that and won't make that mistake again.
Please keep in mind that I am a professional educator and I deal with other peoples kids all day long. The vast majority are not poorly behaved I would go so far asto say that they are very well behaved.
When we go to Cici's or the like we expect and look forward children running around, but when I take my wife to a nice (adult oriented) resturant I expect to see children sitting quietly if they are there at all.
We’ve been complimented on our kids behavior as well, and that was when they were really little.
OTOH, they LOVED to eat out and KNEW that if they acted up, it wouldn’t happen again. Plus, crayons and a coloring placemat provided by the restaurant go a long way to relieve the boredom waiting for the food.
It’s a weird thing, I think that people both expect too much and not enough out of their kids at the same time. Kids can rise to the level you set for them, but they are, after all, only children and do not have the self-control that adults do. Sometimes you have to work within their limitations. IOW, start out at family friendly restaurants where their behavior isn’t quite such an issue and no REALLY fancy restaurants until they were mature enough to handle it.
That could make for some expensive dining.
If the kid had hit me, I’d have called the police and have the mother on assault charges. After I’d informed the store they were open to a suit.
I am not childless, I am childFREE!!!
I think it is a sign of the times when parents can not get away from the children via extended family babysitting.
One sets aside time to be together as husband and wife without the kids only to have it ruined by somebody else’s brats.
just trying to find the other have only to have to endure screamig and running children.
well lets just skip airplane flights.
I currently have five kids. We rarely take them out to eat because it is too expensive, for starters, and because it is almost guaranteed that at some point or another, one of them will melt down. We try to get it under control quickly but there have been a couple of times where we have asked for to-go boxes and got the heck out of there!
I don’t want to disturb other customers and I certainly believe that businesses have the right to set their own rules. I do still hold a bit of a grudge against rules like this because we treat our kids to the restaurant of their choice for their birthdays. I’d hate to think that one of my older kids wouldn’t be able to enjoy a “fancy” restaurant because he/she has a younger sibling.
We’ll just choose another place to eat but I think that I’ll probably never go to a place like this, even when I’m child free. I wonder if my kids will grow to do the same. They don’t want my business now? So be it but they will most likely not get it in the future, either.
I can think of several jokes for this image, and most of them would get me banned.
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