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It’s Official: Apple Ousts Nokia as the World’s Largest Smartphone Vendor
All Thing Digital ^ | JULY 29, 2011 AT 7:53 AM PT | John Paczkowski

Posted on 07/29/2011 5:51:07 PM PDT by Swordmaker

IDC and Strategy Analytics today officially confirmed what was unofficially revealed last week: Apple has ousted Nokia as the largest smartphone maker in the world. The company sold 20.3 million iPhones last quarter, up 142 percent from the same quarter a year earlier, and according to Strategy Analytics that gives it an 18.5 percent share of the worldwide smartphone market — greater than Nokia’s 15.2 percent share, which has fallen by more than half since last year.

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1 posted on 07/29/2011 5:51:13 PM PDT by Swordmaker
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It's official: Apple is now the #1 smart phone maker in the world, eclipsing Nokia—PING!


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2 posted on 07/29/2011 5:58:48 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: Swordmaker

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3 posted on 07/29/2011 6:13:06 PM PDT by TXnMA (There is no Constitutional right to NOT be offended.)
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To: TXnMA

My iPhone 3 started to crap out after 3 years so I moved from ATT to Verizon and picked up an iPhone 4. I looked at Android but it just didn’t seem as good. The move was seamless and all of my apps and contacts moved with a simple iTunes sync.

Verizon doesn’t use a sim chip so if I damage my phone or have a repair issue, I can’t just stick the card in a Go Phone and keep going. Oh well! I can buy a Go Phone card and pay 10 cents a minute if I need repairs.


4 posted on 07/29/2011 6:37:55 PM PDT by Poser (Cogito ergo Spam - I think, therefore I ham)
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To: Swordmaker
Here's another report on the same thing. What's interesting to note is how fast Nokia slid, and how fast Samsung rose (over 500% this last year) - enough to nearly equal Apple from basically nothing last year...

HTC has also climbed stratospherically into 12.1 million phones sold in Q2.

The next few quarters will see Apple, Samsung and HTC battling it out for the biggest smartphone vendor out there.

5 posted on 07/29/2011 6:54:47 PM PDT by FromTheSidelines ("everything that deceives, also enchants" - Plato)
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To: FromTheSidelines
What's interesting to note is how fast Nokia slid

... and RIMM [Blackberry] ...

6 posted on 07/29/2011 7:12:29 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I love BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: FromTheSidelines

You might have noted that the HTC is a clone of the iPhone, which might explain some of their success.


7 posted on 07/29/2011 7:25:25 PM PDT by itsahoot (--I will vote for Sarah Palin, even if I have to write her in. --He that hath an ear, let him hear.)
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To: BunnySlippers

Yeah, RIM’s a bit different, though - they have massive entrenchment in business and government markets in the US, and are gaining massively in the UK (if I recall correctly, RIM was up more than any other maker in the UK market).

They’ll be a perennial 4-5th place player, but because of that government and big-business tie-in they’ll probably not lose much market share at all.


8 posted on 07/29/2011 7:36:02 PM PDT by FromTheSidelines ("everything that deceives, also enchants" - Plato)
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To: itsahoot
Huh? Which HTC? They have a few dozen models, you know... Surely you don't mean something like this is a "clone" of the iPhone?


9 posted on 07/29/2011 7:38:24 PM PDT by FromTheSidelines ("everything that deceives, also enchants" - Plato)
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To: FromTheSidelines

Perhaps. But they just laid off 10% of their employees! Their PlayBook was a flop.


10 posted on 07/29/2011 7:40:21 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I love BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Swordmaker

LOL! F.U. NOKIA!


11 posted on 07/29/2011 7:45:39 PM PDT by cmsgop ( The left always accuses the right for the sins of the left. from FReeper Just Lori, RIP)
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To: FromTheSidelines

There are no winners or losers in these discussions, but facts are facts and iOS is clearly the leader in the handheld business, now and for the foreseeable future.

Apple does everything wrong, and still has become the bigger that the government. Ok that part is a silly quote from Drudge, but they have amassed a very large chunk of cash.

I really don’t care for the company, but I like their product. if there was something better, for me personally, I would abandon them in a heart beat.


12 posted on 07/29/2011 8:21:27 PM PDT by itsahoot (--I will vote for Sarah Palin, even if I have to write her in. --He that hath an ear, let him hear.)
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To: itsahoot
There are no winners or losers in these discussions, but facts are facts and iOS is clearly the leader in the handheld business, now and for the foreseeable future.

Except the facts say otherwise - Android has a bigger chunk of the handheld business, and that margin is increasing.

I was just wondering which HTC phone you thought was a clone of the iPhone...

13 posted on 07/29/2011 9:46:58 PM PDT by FromTheSidelines ("everything that deceives, also enchants" - Plato)
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To: itsahoot

You might have noted that the HTC is a clone of the iPhone, which might explain some of their success.

and are currently losing the patent battle against Apple. HTC may face an import ban or have to buy a license from Apple to continue importing its “clones” into the USA. Apple has the legal clout and money to shut them down world wide.

It is all about patent pofolios - which is why Google just bought 1030 patents from IBM... Android is at risk, and finished, if Oracle wins its suit against Google.


14 posted on 07/30/2011 4:48:58 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Swordmaker

I see this as further vindication of Apple’s system strategy of hardware and software built together and specifically built to complement each other. I expect them to take over all market segments in the future. Perhaps they will then lend money to the US government. Nah! They are too smart for that.


15 posted on 07/30/2011 9:02:42 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (I retain the right to be inconsistent, contradictory and even flat-out wrong!)
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To: FromTheSidelines

That is like saying Ford is losing to all the other car companies because they all use gasoline, Ford is in real trouble. But like Apple they are actually selling cars, and making money.

Just because a phone comes with android, doesn’t mean that they are all the same, various companies taylor android to their needs. I think I read somewhere that today’s Droid can’t be assured it will even run the next version. In fact only about 10 % of the current phones running android are running the latest version, and many are not even capable of running the latest version. Besides as we have all been told, so many times before, once MS enters the market they are all doomed.

PS I was referring to the patent case that apparently Apple won against Samsung. Easy to make a phone when you have the other guys blueprints. Even easier to make them look very similar. I am pretty sure Apple has selected another fabricator.


16 posted on 07/30/2011 10:36:02 AM PDT by itsahoot (--I will vote for Sarah Palin, even if I have to write her in. --He that hath an ear, let him hear.)
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To: FromTheSidelines
Except the facts say otherwise - Android has a bigger chunk of the handheld business, and that margin is increasing.

And Dan Frommer's cherry picked data in that article included all the Chinese quasi-Android phones that don't run the Android apps, Android feature phones that don't run the Android apps, and while he did include the iPod touches, he deliberately excluded the 15 million iPads that had been sold at the time of his snap shot of the market, because "they weren't smartphones(!)", to get his breathless FUD headline that was supposed to be about iOS, not smartphones. So why did he include iPod touches? His "facts" were roundly criticized!

17 posted on 07/30/2011 10:56:52 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: itsahoot

Cool, so it wasn’t HTC - it was Samsung. Fair enough.


18 posted on 07/30/2011 11:32:26 AM PDT by FromTheSidelines ("everything that deceives, also enchants" - Plato)
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To: Swordmaker

So it runs Android, but because it doesn’t run the Google apps (there aren’t any “Android” apps) - it’s not an Android device? That doesn’t makes sense. Android is an OS - it has features that enabled and disabled as needed.

I guess only Windows 7 Professional and Ultimate count as Windows 7 OS deployments, too, huh?


19 posted on 07/30/2011 11:34:58 AM PDT by FromTheSidelines ("everything that deceives, also enchants" - Plato)
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To: FromTheSidelines
The Chinese OMS and TAPAS operating systems, which were remotely derived from Android, were included in the statistics that Canalys used to make this report. They are NOT Google's Android... They DO NOT run Android apps.

A device that uses a stripped down Android ROM and uses NONE of the Android functionality merely to avoid licensing something else that costs money to use can hardly be called an Android device. The hardware on these devices is not even capable of being reprogramed. I might be inclined to grant you these dumb devices...

But the distortion of the "facts" that were used to make the story were necessary to get what the author wanted. He had to include devices that no one else recognizes as Android devices, marginal Android devices, and omit iOS devices that would have invalidated his claims. That is the point.

20 posted on 07/30/2011 12:32:46 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: FromTheSidelines; itsahoot
Huh? Which HTC? They have a few dozen models, you know... Surely you don't mean something like this is a "clone" of the iPhone?

HTC phones named in Apple's design patent lawsuit:


HTC & Google Nexus 1


HTC Touch pro 2


HTC myTouch


HTC Droid Eris


HTC Hero

Your image is like the data in the article that included the Chinese non-Android OS data to inflate the Android numbers... Cherry picked to make your point. You showed a minority model of an HTC phone, one they sell very few of, when the majority of their phones are more of the above styles, copied after the iPhone look and feel.

21 posted on 07/30/2011 3:39:04 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: Swordmaker
The Chinese OMS and TAPAS operating systems, which were remotely derived from Android, were included in the statistics that Canalys used to make this report. They are NOT Google's Android... They DO NOT run Android apps.

Again, can you point me to the list of "Android apps" that you must run so your install of Android is, in fact, an "real" Android install?

As far as OMS and TAPAS, they are in fact Android based OSes. I guess we could claim that OSX is not a BSD OS as well, since it's been forked by Apple? Is the root of your complaint that OMS and TAPAS are forks of Android? And as such they are no longer Android?

I guess every fork of Linux is no longer Linux...

And we can say that iOS on iTouch and iPad devices is not iOS, since they do not support the iOS dialer. Or that iPhones are not iOS since they include a dialer. Different feature sets of the same OS means they are not the same OS.

Furthermore, even dropping OMS and TAPAS, and the iPhone/iOS numbers show smaller market share: Global Android smartphone shipments topped Nokia Symbian-based handsets -- 32.9 million to 31 million, respectively -- or twice iPhone (16.2 million). By another accounting, including OMS and Tapas platforms, Google ranked higher still: 33.3 million units

So at most OMS and Tapas added 2.3 million deployments - not nearly enough to explain the massive lead in shipments for Android.

The facts are pretty much irrefutable, and no one credible still clings to iOS shipments outpacing Android. Android's been out-shipping and out-selling iOS for several quarters now, and is only accelerating. The facts show it, all reputable sources and tracking firms show it and acknowledge it, and every reliable resource agrees. The data is there - it's hard to deny.

22 posted on 07/30/2011 4:29:06 PM PDT by FromTheSidelines ("everything that deceives, also enchants" - Plato)
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To: Swordmaker; itsahoot
WHAT? Are you seriously daft? Those are CLONES of the iPhone, as originally claimed? Please show me where HTC cloned the iPhone, and where they are being sued for cloning the iPhone. Please - that was the claim made and challenged. You want to change to a different strawman, I'm not going there.

It was claimed that "the HTC is a clone of the iPhone" - so show me where this is the case, please. Or you can keep trying to change the argument to something different, just so you can try to spin as you desire.

Moving goalposts and changing the subject are actions that Democrats and liberals do when they're shown to be wrong - I thought conservatives were better than that...

23 posted on 07/30/2011 4:33:11 PM PDT by FromTheSidelines ("everything that deceives, also enchants" - Plato)
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To: Swordmaker

Oh, and the HTC Touch Pro2? That’s not even an Android device - it’s Windows Mobile! Really Swordmaker, you’re just grasping at straws for some bizarre reason...

A Windows Mobile phone with sliding keyboard as proof the HTC Android phones are clones of the iPhone. Seriously? Way over-reaching on that one...


24 posted on 07/30/2011 4:42:23 PM PDT by FromTheSidelines ("everything that deceives, also enchants" - Plato)
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To: FromTheSidelines

*snort* Those phones looks nothing like an iPhone. LOL!


25 posted on 07/30/2011 4:48:08 PM PDT by rintense (God made me a conservative. FR made me a better one. :))
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To: rintense

Oh no - we’re being told they are clones of the iPhone. Clearly your eyes (i’s?) are defective! And everyone KNOWS that Windows Mobile with HTC TouchFLO (introduced and for sale before the iPhone) is a direct rip-off from iOS!


26 posted on 07/30/2011 5:16:04 PM PDT by FromTheSidelines ("everything that deceives, also enchants" - Plato)
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To: FromTheSidelines

“The next few quarters will see Apple, Samsung and HTC battling it out for the biggest smartphone vendor out there.”

What it will not show, is the fight to have the most and best smartphone apps. Apple has so far won that battle, decisively.

I believe that, among other things, will continue to propel Apple to massive earnings, top consumer satisfaction ratings (as it already has), and continued domination over the inferior offerings of its competitors. The halo effect from iPod Touch and iPad should not be underestimated either. :-)


27 posted on 07/30/2011 7:46:00 PM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: FromTheSidelines

“Android’s been out-shipping and out-selling iOS for several quarters now, and is only accelerating. The facts show it, all reputable sources and tracking firms show it and acknowledge it, and every reliable resource agrees.”

That may well be true. Chrysler no doubt outsells BMW as well. Which would you rather drive, and which stock would you rather own?

I think you’re missing the heart of the issue.


28 posted on 07/30/2011 7:51:08 PM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: PreciousLiberty
There is actually quite a bit of data that suggests the Android Market will surpass Apple's AppStore in size, this year. That would give Android the most apps; and since most of the "best" apps for iPhone exist on Android as well, that would be a push.
29 posted on 07/30/2011 7:51:23 PM PDT by FromTheSidelines ("everything that deceives, also enchants" - Plato)
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To: PreciousLiberty

What would that heart be? I’ve been told quite vociferously in this very thread that Apple’s sales market share is what matters - in fact, that is what this very thread is about!

Is it now about something else? When (not if) Apple is replaced as king-of-the-hill in terms of smartphone market share (probably by Samsung, and as early as this month, given the growth rates of the two companies), will it now be something else that matters?

Android has a bigger market share than iOS. Samsung - barring some massive, unforeseeable disaster to South Korea - will take the smartphone crown from Apple. This thread started as an homage to Apple’s first rise to the top of the smartphone maker volume list.

Is that not the heart of the issue?


30 posted on 07/30/2011 7:55:11 PM PDT by FromTheSidelines ("everything that deceives, also enchants" - Plato)
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To: FromTheSidelines

‘There is actually quite a bit of data that suggests the Android Market will surpass Apple’s AppStore in size, this year. That would give Android the most apps; and since most of the “best” apps for iPhone exist on Android as well, that would be a push.’

Shallow analysis, and incorrect. Quantity (as I pointed out above) absolutely does not equal quality.

You should look into the complaints from Android developers that the lack of a consistent hardware specification has hurt the user experience in many cases.

You may love or hate Apple, but that fault is not an issue with the iPlatform. :-)

(PS you get honorary points for the nearest to a realtime conversation I’ve had yet on FR.) lol


31 posted on 07/30/2011 7:57:48 PM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: FromTheSidelines

“Android has a bigger market share than iOS. Samsung - barring some massive, unforeseeable disaster to South Korea - will take the smartphone crown from Apple. This thread started as an homage to Apple’s first rise to the top of the smartphone maker volume list.

Is that not the heart of the issue?”

No, it is not “the heart of the issue”. Apple reaching the top in unit sales is unbelievably amazing. It’s like Mercedes or BMW reaching the top in unit car sales.

Apple does not need to retain top spot in unit sales, any more than Ruth’s Chris Steak House needs to sell more meals than McDonald’s.

They are two different business models, both highly profitable.

Apple’s business model has been successful enough that it is now the #2 company in market cap on the US stock exchanges behind Exxon...and it’s not that far behind.


32 posted on 07/30/2011 8:04:50 PM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: PreciousLiberty
Shallow analysis, and incorrect. Quantity (as I pointed out above) absolutely does not equal quality.

Hmmm... Can you point me to which "quality" app is available on the iPhone that is not available on an Android Smartphone?

Quantity - I think we can agree - is a given. They're about the same (which is to say, probably 5 times as big as needed).

You should look into the complaints from Android developers that the lack of a consistent hardware specification has hurt the user experience in many cases.

Sure! You'll hear the same in the PC world as well, since platforms are even more diverse...

Of course, you also hear complaints in the iOS developer world about the lock-down, the unilateral rejections, and the lack of support tools, too. It's not just Android devs that whine - iOS devs whine as well. In fact, being a software programmer myself, you'll find it a universal truth that ALL devs like to whine...;)

33 posted on 07/30/2011 8:06:42 PM PDT by FromTheSidelines ("everything that deceives, also enchants" - Plato)
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To: PreciousLiberty
No, it is not “the heart of the issue”.

So basically this thread is pointless. I see... Since sales volume is not the heart of the issue, it's not what matters, then this report - this entire thread - is irrelevant.

I'll tune out then... But I'd still love someone to tell me which HTC phone is a clone of the iPhone! Or maybe I should just chalk that up to the general lack of knowledge on the part of most iPhone fans, and their inability to learn about the rest of the market...;)

34 posted on 07/30/2011 8:09:26 PM PDT by FromTheSidelines ("everything that deceives, also enchants" - Plato)
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To: FromTheSidelines
BTW, I forgot to mention that as of today, Apple has more cash than the US government".

Sweet, eh?

35 posted on 07/30/2011 8:09:28 PM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: FromTheSidelines

“But I’d still love someone to tell me which HTC phone is a clone of the iPhone!”

The judge will do that, just hold your horses. ;-)


36 posted on 07/30/2011 8:11:39 PM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: FromTheSidelines
"Hmmm... Can you point me to which "quality" app is available on the iPhone that is not available on an Android Smartphone?"

Sure, one example is Ballistic, the JBM Ballistics Calculator.

I'm sure there are thousands more, given the disparity between the Apple App Store and the Android offerings.

Better yet, Apple is doing a much better job protecting its users from malware. :-)

"Of course, you also hear complaints in the iOS developer world about the lock-down, the unilateral rejections, and the lack of support tools, too. It's not just Android devs that whine - iOS devs whine as well. In fact, being a software programmer myself, you'll find it a universal truth that ALL devs like to whine...;)"

It's not about "whining", it's about which platform receives the most support, and which platform benefits the developers the most.

So far, the result has been in Apple's favor.

37 posted on 07/30/2011 8:19:51 PM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: PreciousLiberty
The judge will do that, just hold your horses. ;-)

Actually, he won't since HTC is not being sued for anything relating to cloning the iPhone, or even using trade dress. The original poster was wrong, Swordmaker is wrong, and no one wants to admit it.

It's really easy to say "I'm sorry, I was mistaken - it wasn't HTC", but I guess that's not an option for Apple fans? ;)

Sure, one example is Ballistic, the JBM Ballistics Calculator.

I give you Shooter for Android. Seems to be about the same thing.

It's not about "whining", it's about which platform receives the most support, and which platform benefits the developers the most.

If it's support, that would be WinPhone 7 hands-down. Microsoft knows how to appease developers, and developer happiness and support for WinPhone 7 is way beyond anything for iOS or Android (for example, reaching 25,000 apps much faster than iOS or Android ever did).

If it's about revenues, Rovio and more business-focused developers have learned - it's not about selling the app, it's about selling things IN the app. Angry Birds makes more money as a free app on Android than as a paid-for app on iOS - because of in-game ads. And the in-app market is exploding - that's where money is being made. In fact, it appears that developers are making as much on Android as they are on iOS.

And that in-app market? Google lets the developer keep 95% of the sales. THAT is where the money will be made - in-app ad revenue, in-app sales, and letting the developer keep almost all of it (compared to the 70% you get with Apple).

Equal revenues now, a faster growing share of those revenues, and you get to keep more of the revenues as well - that's attractive from a business standpoint, right?

38 posted on 07/30/2011 8:35:31 PM PDT by FromTheSidelines ("everything that deceives, also enchants" - Plato)
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To: FromTheSidelines
"Actually, he won't since HTC is not being sued for anything relating to cloning the iPhone, or even using trade dress. The original poster was wrong, Swordmaker is wrong, and no one wants to admit it."

Sure. One minor problem though: Apple sues HTC for infringing 20 iPhone patents.

"I give you Shooter for Android. Seems to be about the same thing."

LOL. "About the same thing". Sounds like Android in general.

That said, take a look at this quote: "Shooter's calculations normally match JBM's numbers within round-off error (0.1" at 1000 yards)."

First of all, that says it all as far as which product is the gold standard.

Secondly "normally match"? Which do you think you should go with when the shot really counts? LOL

"If it's support, that would be WinPhone 7 hands-down."

That's great, let me know when WP7 breaks 1% marketshare.

In the meantime, I need to get some sleep. ;-)

39 posted on 07/30/2011 8:48:48 PM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: PreciousLiberty

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41 posted on 07/30/2011 8:59:17 PM PDT by FromTheSidelines ("everything that deceives, also enchants" - Plato)
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To: PreciousLiberty
BTW, I forgot to mention that as of today, Apple has more cash than the US government".

Yeah, yeah, big deal - so does Bill Gates! And at the rate the US Government is going, I'd say most FReepers will join those ranks shortly, too! :)

42 posted on 07/30/2011 9:21:05 PM PDT by FromTheSidelines ("everything that deceives, also enchants" - Plato)
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To: FromTheSidelines

I was talking about the Samsung. It was a mistake on my part.


43 posted on 07/30/2011 9:52:12 PM PDT by itsahoot (--I will vote for Sarah Palin, even if I have to write her in. --He that hath an ear, let him hear.)
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To: itsahoot; Swordmaker; rintense

No problem, I thought it might be. Hard to keep track with all the lawsuits bouncing around in the phone-space!

I will, however, be interested to see if Swordmaker will admit his error as well, about the HTC phones being clones of the iPhone, and his post of all those phones. Perhaps he was mistaken as well, and will admit it. A few run-ins with him here already tell me it probably won’t happen, but if it does I’ll offer a mea culpa right now and another one after his admission...


44 posted on 07/30/2011 10:13:03 PM PDT by FromTheSidelines ("everything that deceives, also enchants" - Plato)
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To: PreciousLiberty

I would say there is a more than pretty solid case that the top of the line offerings from each of the major Android manufacturers is equal to the iPhone 4 and their previous generation phones are at least equal to the 3Gs which you can still get I believe.


45 posted on 07/31/2011 4:47:31 PM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: FromTheSidelines
WHAT? Are you seriously daft? Those are CLONES of the iPhone, as originally claimed? Please show me where HTC cloned the iPhone, and where they are being sued for cloning the iPhone. Please - that was the claim made and challenged. You want to change to a different strawman, I'm not going there.

The claim is that these are phones that are INFRINGING DESIGN PATENTS. These specific models that I posted are named in the lawsuit Apple has filed against HTC, similar to the one filed against Samsung, whatever the terminology. The list of the HTC phones targeted was taken from court documents and is not even complete. . . It's just a sampling.

There are similar design patent lawsuits filed against several other Android phone makers having to do with both the phone look and feel, and the software look and feel, wending their way through the courts in several countries as well as the US. The Samsung lawsuit is the one that has progressed the furthest, with the HTC close on its heels.

I am retracting nothing about those facts. I have no need to retract. They are the facts, regardless how YOU want to spin it.

46 posted on 07/31/2011 4:55:36 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: FromTheSidelines
Oh, and the HTC Touch Pro2? That’s not even an Android device - it’s Windows Mobile! Really Swordmaker, you’re just grasping at straws for some bizarre reason...

I don't care. It's an HTC phone that is listed as "infringing one or more of Apple's design patents" whether it's running Android or Windows7 OS. According to case law, adding features to a design does not invalidate the infringing of the design patent. Sorry. Just adding another bell or whistle doesn't get the off the infringement hook. You may not agree with that, but that IS the law.

47 posted on 07/31/2011 5:02:10 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: FromTheSidelines
Oh no - we’re being told they are clones of the iPhone. Clearly your eyes (i’s?) are defective! And everyone KNOWS that Windows Mobile with HTC TouchFLO (introduced and for sale before the iPhone) is a direct rip-off from iOS!

Where DO you get your factoids??? Since when is June 7, 2007, the date that HTC TouchFLO announcement articles start appearing on Google, after January 8, 2007, the announcement date of the iPhone? And why is there an article dated June 27, 2008, entitled "HTC TouchFLO finally works!" one of the first hits? Wickipedia describes HTC TouchFLO as a touch screen interface that allows one to slide one's finger around the screen to make a selection on mobile devices. It preceded HTC TouchFLO 3d. WOW. Usually when someone (you?) uses the phrase "everyone knows" it is followed by something that is untrue.

48 posted on 07/31/2011 5:22:40 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: FromTheSidelines
There is actually quite a bit of data that suggests the Android Market will surpass Apple's AppStore in size, this year. That would give Android the most apps; and since most of the "best" apps for iPhone exist on Android as well, that would be a push.

One outlying analyst in Germany from three months ago does not translate to "quite a bit of data", Sidelines...

49 posted on 07/31/2011 6:24:00 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: Swordmaker

Cool - go ahead and create your strawmen, attack them, and claim victory. If that passes for “logic and reason” with you, then you’re pretty messed up...

Itsahoot admitted he was mistaken, as I thought he was; apparently the all-powerful Swordmaker though, can never admit an error or admit that he is now trying to shift from error to strawman.

So be it... I’m out.


50 posted on 07/31/2011 6:28:40 PM PDT by FromTheSidelines ("everything that deceives, also enchants" - Plato)
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