Skip to comments.Muggers Meet Target's Sig Sauer P239
Posted on 08/03/2011 12:09:57 PM PDT by opus86
Brandon Kruse said nothing when three attackers set upon him on his way out for sushi and a beer. Words werent necessary.
Kruse pulled out a handgun instead. The attackers fled; soon after, he helped the cops arrest them.
(Excerpt) Read more at newhavenindependent.org ...
I hope the gun owner enjoys his stay in jail.
How dare him for thinking he has the right to protect himself and those other innocents around him.
It is RACIST to interfere with Eric Holder’s people when they are minding their own bidness.
whats with the extra apostrophe
Perhaps you could point me toward where that information occurs in the story? I've read it twice and can't locate anything that says the assault victim was arrested and jailed.
Huh? According to the article, he didn’t go to jail.
Should’ve seen the guy trying to steal my light house solar lights skedaddle out of my yard when he saw my BB gun Ruger replica, lol
If this was me and Mrs Clamper in Arizona these muggers would either meet Mr .45 HK or Mr. Glock27 .40 depending on my mood and/or Mrs Clampers .380 Rugar LCP.
Sarcasm is lost on many I suppose.
First, when punched he should have shouted out “I fear for my life” rather than being silent. Being in fear for one’s life is justification in most cases for being allowed to pull a legally carried firearm from concealment and use it.
In some jurisdictions if you “just pull a concealed carry firearm and don't shoot anyone” the police will question you if you feared for your life. If you say something to the effect that you determined that you didn't need to shoot anyone because your life was not in danger or your were not afraid of serious bodily harm (or harm/death of another) than you may have admited guilt to escalating a non-deadly force confrontation into a deadly force confrontation. Which typically is called brandishing in may jurisdictions.
As to his drawing a firearm on the two “yoots” that came back for their bags and stuff, well technically he was probably thinking of himself as helping the police by detaining them without making a proper citizens arrest. In a lot of places that would have gotten him thrown in jail and possibly allowed the two “yoots” to sue him in civil court. Again, not a really wise thing to do, the way he did it, if what is reported in the story is correct.
The point of this comment is that when one takes the trouble to get a concealed carry license (and yes I have one) then one should spend some time learning about when deadly force (i.e. pointing a handgun at someone and probably killing them (to live)) is allowed by the law and when you are opening yourself up to lawsuits or jail time.
This guy was lucky that the police and prosecutor viewed him as a stand-up guy protecting himself. It could have turned out far worse for him.
“I hope the gun owner enjoys his stay in jail.”
Idiot comment...you should not post crap like that that is not in the article.
What I found interesting was that two of the idiots had to return to the scene to retrieve shopping bags and sandals. Brilliant.
LOL! :-) I’m “with” ya now. :-) Amen! :-)
Unreal. Do you know what the term "sarcasm" means? Who has posted the idiotic comment?
They must have skedaddled out of there in a mighty big hurry.
Went right over their heads...
Your ‘sarc’ tag was missing, my friend.
Some people are kinda ‘slow” on FR, but in fairness, most Freepers use (s/) or sarc/ in their sarc posts.
Do CCL classes really teach people they need to verbally warn a mugger before firing? Like a warning shot or something? Giving up the element of a few precious seconds sounds like a pretty good way to get yourself killed.
I would never give a mugger a warning like that. His first warning would be the flash from the muzzle. If I aim correctly, ideally he should never hear the sound.
It sounds like they are playing the “knockout game”:
It doesn't seem like he was suggesting a "warning" to me.
I would think yelling "Don't kill me", would be more effective.
The parents of the perps act like it's harmless fun and nobody should take offense.
But if you did the same thing to their punk, they'd be screaming for reparations faster than you can say "Eric Holder's people."
Good for Brandon!
So far this year, there have been 20 homicides in New Haven. Glad he wasn’t one of them.
Hartford has about 21 murders. If you don’t carry in these cities...well, youse take your chances.
Being knocked out is a deadly threat and can be legitimately met with deadly force.
you should have used the sarcasm tag, if you do not peolple think you are being series.
“Eric Holder’s people.”
That's what I'm hoping for.
When it happens, the parents will be ENRAGED.
It will be fun to watch.
Sarcasm doesn’t come through very often in flat text messages. Without the inflection of a spoken voice that we usually use for sarcasm, it is difficult to spot sometimes. That’s why people call it out with a [/s] or other tag to make it clear. It doesn’t work in e-mail either and often results in misunderstandings.
The approach you suggest of if you feel you are in a deadly force confrontation is totally appropriate....”shoot to live.”
As you probably know, warning shots will get you in a lot of legal trouble in some places and should never, never, be done. That is Hollywood and not the real world.
We probably have more to agree to than disagree on.
I agree with that 100%. Guns are for shooting, not brandishing. People who pull guns to threaten get killed every day.
You gotta use a sarcasm tag. This ain’t no mensa meetin’ here ya know! lol
Oh, a good example of how it should be done: The guy that pinned down that moron shooter who shot Gabriele Giffords and others in Tucson was carrying concealed, but never drew the weapon from the holster. Didn’t have to, didn’t fear for his life.
“when punched he should have shouted out I fear for my life rather than being silent. “
That’s urban legend. No court requires a person to make such a ridiculous statement. If you have the time and the mentality to say such a thing you probably are not in actual fear of your life and are simply grandstanding.
You make a good point, but I’d quibble with a couple of parts. You don’t have to yell “I fear for my life”... in fact if you have the presence of mind and can take the time to do that, it’s almost evidence that you’re ~not~ in immediate danger. :-)
As far as I know, there’s no official “citizen’s arrest” magic words. After neutralizing the threatening person (they drop the knife and give up...) you simple detain them by getting control and keeping them under control until the police get there— ideally by handcuffing them if you have ‘em, or zip-ties or whatever’s handy.
A pair of handcuffs (and a key!!) is a good and often overlooked accessory for a carry pistol. Just in case you don’t have to shoot, suddenly you’ve got a whole new problem of what to do with the guy. :-)
The actions taken could vari from just telling at him them to back off to drawing and firing with out warning. One needs to be prepared to use the right tactics for the right situation.
It is easy to be a Monday morning quarterback. I see way to many comments of shoot first ask questions later. Such thinking could easily end with you in prison.
Using force that result's in the death or servre injury of another person needs to be taken only when justifiable.
There is nothing wrong with a person defending themselves but doing so wrongly will make your life miserable for a long time.
Too many people are willing to draw, but are not willing to shoot. Those are the ones that go home in a body bag.
Ping, for obvioud reasons!
Must have stolen yours.
Typical liberals. Anything to change the topic and throw a wrench into the works.
Back in the day, sarc tags were not needed. Perhaps the ability of the membership to discern obvious sarc has been lost.
Are you seeing stories involving this? I am not. My impression is that I see more stories where someone shot too soon rather than shot too late.
Guy in Mesa AZ a few weeks back. Traffic altercation. He drew and was walking on the other driver, who opened up on him and killed him. Should have cooled off because his life wasn’t in danger until he brandished.
I recall that story. I would have said it a little differently. What I think you are saying is that he drew too soon rather than he didn't shoot fast enough.
There are a fair number of stories where people shoot too fast, or wait until they are being beat into the ground to draw.
I don't think he should have drawn at all, because from what I read on the story, his life was not in danger. He could have simply driven off, and if the other guy pursued, then he would have had a different story. So yes, he did draw too soon.
I think he failed to appreciate the other guy had the same rights as he, and he could just chew the guy out while holding a gun on him. That's fatal stupid.
We do not disagree on this.
I have read of numerous cases where people show a gun and the assailants run off.
I have also read of cases where someone has a gun, and does not draw it until they are already bloodied and on the ground.
Of course there are plenty of cases where someone shoots, or shoots a warning shot, when they are not justified, and it leads to bad results all around.
We passed a defensive display law in Arizona to allow the gun to be displayed so that the other person knows that you are armed, if you are concerned for your safety.
One of the reasons I live in AZ as well. Real “common sense” gun laws. But...Brewer’s coming up short now that she’s been elected. She snubbed the last couple of important laws. There’s a major street in Tempe I can’t drive on because she vetoed the law that would have permitted carrying in a car on streets within a University campus.
The first handgun I ever puchased at retail was a Sig P239. I regret selling it.
Should have opened fire and followed up with head shots.
Disparity of force. He’s completely justified in eliminating the threats.
Pulling out a gun to detain people is a bad idea, especially when a nut job advances saying “Shoot me, I want to die.” It has happened.
Fortunately in many one on one encounters just presenting a weapon extinguishes a threat, not even necessarily drawing the weapon, but a hand on grip. However, you must be prepared to use it if things go south...it can always be used against you as well.
Do you tell the police you drew your firearm? Hell no.
And in this day and age of corruption, depending on many factors, place, witnesses, etc — whether it’s a firefight or not — I may just disappear and tell authorities zilch.
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