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Reindeer Herder Finds Baby Mammoth in Russia Arctic
Reuters ^ | Aug 19, 2011 | Alissa de Carbonnel

Posted on 08/19/2011 5:44:20 PM PDT by FrogMom

A reindeer herder in Russia's Arctic has stumbled on the pre-historic remains of a baby woolly mammoth poking out of the permafrost, local officials said on Friday.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: catastrophism; godsgravesglyphs; mammoth; maunderminimum; pleistocene; russia; solarflares; youngerdryas
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1 posted on 08/19/2011 5:44:28 PM PDT by FrogMom
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To: SunkenCiv; decimon

Ping.


2 posted on 08/19/2011 5:45:05 PM PDT by FrogMom (There is no such thing as an honest democrat!)
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To: FrogMom

How did these things freeze before they rotted or were devoured by something?

I don’t get it. Something is missing.


3 posted on 08/19/2011 5:47:20 PM PDT by djf (One of the few FReepers who NEVER clicked the "dead weasel" thread!! But may not last much longer...)
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To: FrogMom
http://www.mosnews.com/weird/2009/05/20/mammoth/
4 posted on 08/19/2011 5:49:50 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: djf
How did these things freeze before they rotted or were devoured by something?

I don’t get it. Something is missing.

Imagine an asteroid knocking the world off its axis and suddenly these animals found themselves on the new northern regions..... very very cold.

This is just a wild guess, but it makes some sense.

5 posted on 08/19/2011 5:51:15 PM PDT by umgud
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To: djf
How did these things freeze before they rotted or were devoured by something? I don’t get it. Something is missing.

Thing is (I suppose) the vast majority of them did either rot or get chomped. Every once in a blue moon you might have warmer temps than usual and one sinks through a soft spot in the perma frost and suffocates - then it freezes up again for thousands of years. Just my guess.
6 posted on 08/19/2011 5:55:03 PM PDT by DJlaysitup
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To: djf
There are several ways to come up with a perfectly preserved frozen mammoth. The best is when a baby mammoth wandered off and fell into a mud pit during a brief thaw. Then, he couldn't get out and by morning he was frozen solid.

Another would be where mammoths were peacefully grazing somewhere and the weather and/or climate anomaly called The Younger Dryas came along and flash froze them in place.

There are some other ways ~ Zholzenetsyn reported on one where people found ancient flash frozen critters in what amounted to an ancient riverbed that'd been "uplifted" a bit. They were in an ice "lens".

The people who found them were Zeks so they butchered, cooked and ate the animals. Probably the only meat they'd had in years.

7 posted on 08/19/2011 5:55:52 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Beowulf9

Interesting. My article is dated today.


8 posted on 08/19/2011 5:56:16 PM PDT by FrogMom (There is no such thing as an honest democrat!)
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To: FrogMom
Baby Mammoth

Cool! A new oxymoron.

9 posted on 08/19/2011 5:57:01 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: umgud

There were a whole bunch of mammals that went extinct about the same time, 12-18 thousand years ago or so.

And finding a dead baby mammoth frozen up there proves that it wasn’t man that all the sudden like killed them all off.

Something happened. Something earth-changing.


10 posted on 08/19/2011 5:57:16 PM PDT by djf (One of the few FReepers who NEVER clicked the "dead weasel" thread!! But may not last much longer...)
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To: FrogMom

I just wanted to show the mammoth, for science still, kind of cool!


11 posted on 08/19/2011 5:59:22 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: the invisib1e hand
Cool! A new oxymoron.

LOL

12 posted on 08/19/2011 5:59:35 PM PDT by FrogMom (There is no such thing as an honest democrat!)
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To: djf
How did these things freeze before they rotted or were devoured by something?

I don’t get it. Something is missing.

Here's one way:

The periglacial areas were the best for grazing. The wall of the glacier shielded the area from the bitter north wind, the dazzling vertical ice wall acts as a solar concentrator providing more heat and light for plant growth, the glacial till provides a rich, well conditioned soil, while moraines trap ponds of melt water.

Up near the face of the glacier is the best grazing for a thousand miles!

Until a big chunk breaks off and pounds you into the muck before you even have a chance to swallow that mouthful of marigolds...

13 posted on 08/19/2011 6:01:05 PM PDT by null and void (Day 938. The mob is decisive when the law is not.)
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To: Beowulf9

The Blaze has a link to this article, but they say it’s the second one found. I don’t see that in the Reuters article.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/second-well-preserved-baby-mammoth-found-in-russia/


14 posted on 08/19/2011 6:02:06 PM PDT by FrogMom (There is no such thing as an honest democrat!)
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To: muawiyah

Ate the pre-historic mammoth!

That reminds me of a great-uncle who lived in New York City, part of the “upper-crust set”. He was member of the “Adventurers Club” and had a clipping from one of their banquets (in the 1960’s?) where the main course was mammoth.


15 posted on 08/19/2011 6:06:42 PM PDT by mason-dixon (As Mason said to Dixon, you have to draw the line somewhere.)
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To: 75thOVI; agrace; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; aristotleman; Avoiding_Sulla; ...

Thanks FrogMom.


16 posted on 08/19/2011 6:09:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: FrogMom; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks FrogMom.

It's one of those two-list topics.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


17 posted on 08/19/2011 6:10:03 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: djf
How did these things freeze before they rotted or were devoured by something?

They, and a whole lot of other things up there, were frozen so quickly that food in their mouths was still fresh.
18 posted on 08/19/2011 6:13:22 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: AngieGal

ping


19 posted on 08/19/2011 6:19:31 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: djf

There are frozen (or freeze-dried) corpses of climbers all over Mt. Everest, like that of Mallory who disappeared in 1924 and was found well-preserved in 1999.


20 posted on 08/19/2011 6:19:55 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: aruanan

And a lot of those foods were temperate-climate plants.

Not stuff that might grow at the sub-zero temps it would take to freeze a mammoth whole.

If you had an animal that big, and you decided to freeze it on purpose, we’re talking about 20F-30F degrees below zero for an extended period. Perhaps up to a week or so.

Certainly not overnight or in 2 or 3 days...


21 posted on 08/19/2011 6:21:03 PM PDT by djf (One of the few FReepers who NEVER clicked the "dead weasel" thread!! But may not last much longer...)
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To: the invisib1e hand; FrogMom; SunkenCiv
Baby Mammoth

Cool! A new oxymoron.

Sorta kinda new, I guess. Instead of the moron O Boy calling Moochelle baby mama, he calls her ...

22 posted on 08/19/2011 6:22:46 PM PDT by bigheadfred (Do that brand new thing)
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To: hellbender

True. But most humans are quite a bit less mass than a mammoth. And the physiology of humans (the fact that their limbs are almost as long as their torso) makes it much easier to freeze.


23 posted on 08/19/2011 6:25:32 PM PDT by djf (One of the few FReepers who NEVER clicked the "dead weasel" thread!! But may not last much longer...)
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To: djf
"Giant woolly mammoths have been extinct since the Earth's last Ice Age 1.8 million to around 11,500 years ago."

Ahhhh, that narrows it down quite a bit, give or take a million years.

24 posted on 08/19/2011 6:25:57 PM PDT by AGreatPer
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To: FrogMom

There have been quite a few frozen mammoths found in the last hundred years. Alexander Solzhenitsyn remarks about how a group of Russian prisoners in one of the Artic death camps came across a fully grown Mammoth while they were digging for gold in the Kolyma in the 30’s. They immediately dug it up and ate it.


25 posted on 08/19/2011 6:25:57 PM PDT by Larry381 (If in doubt, shoot it in the head and drop it in the ocean!)
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To: muawiyah

“The people who found them were Zeks so they butchered, cooked and ate the animals. Probably the only meat they’d had in years”

That happened on “Northern Exposure” back in the early nineties. Walt said it was better than the best aged beef


26 posted on 08/19/2011 6:29:53 PM PDT by Figment ("A communist is someone who reads Marx.An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx" R Reagan)
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To: FrogMom
The guy should put it up on a internet auction. He would get maybe $500K or more. But the Russian government will move in say they need it, its “too dangerous” for one person to have around. “Here Mr. “Dummy”, we will take care of that for you”. Wink, Wink. The money will flow to Moscow.
27 posted on 08/19/2011 6:29:53 PM PDT by Lockbar (March toward the sound of the guns.)
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To: hellbender
"There are frozen (or freeze-dried) corpses of climbers all over Mt. Everest, like that of Mallory who disappeared in 1924 and was found well-preserved in 1999."

Yeah, but those guys are at 25,000 ft. These mammoths were minding their own business, eating their greens and were then apparently flash-frozen for 10,000 years.

28 posted on 08/19/2011 6:34:19 PM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: djf; SunkenCiv
How did these things freeze before they rotted or were devoured by something?

The Atlantean wizards sucked all the energy out of the Far North, in an attempt to channel it to save Atlantis. Tragically, they underestimated amount of energy involved, and the power backlash not only destroyed Atlantis anyway, but it also left the Far North a frigid wasteland with all the animals flash frozen in place.

So much energy was unleashed in an unbalanced and catastrophic fashion that it even knocked the earth's axis 22.5 degrees off-vertical and misaligned magnetic & true north forever after. The North Atlantic Ridge & African Rift Valleys have been unstable and spreading ever since.

29 posted on 08/19/2011 6:35:57 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch ("Public service" does NOT mean servicing the people, like a bull among heifers.)
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To: Lockbar

I’m waiting for them to find a female.

A female with freeze-dried ovaries... and viable eggs!


30 posted on 08/19/2011 6:35:57 PM PDT by djf (One of the few FReepers who NEVER clicked the "dead weasel" thread!! But may not last much longer...)
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To: Figment

My understanding is the risk is in eating meat that’s been frozen and thawed many times over the ages.


31 posted on 08/19/2011 6:53:34 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: AGreatPer
"Giant woolly mammoths have been extinct since the Earth's last Ice Age 1.8 million to around 11,500 years ago." Ahhhh, that narrows it down quite a bit, give or take a million years.

LOL!! Reminds me of when I used to talk prices/money with my ex-wife. She would round her numbers off by like 20%. She would round my number up 20% and round hers down 20% and act like it was just the same total...if I could get the same item at one place for $80.00 and she decided to buy the same exact thing at another place for $120.00 she would use that logic and say "same difference"....drove me CRAZY.

P.S. - she is an accountant for a non-profit.
32 posted on 08/19/2011 7:04:44 PM PDT by DJlaysitup
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To: FrogMom

Thanks.

Don’t you wish you could be a reindeer herder in the Arctic?


33 posted on 08/19/2011 7:06:46 PM PDT by decimon
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To: FrogMom

I don’t understand how they know it’s a mammoth and not an elephant. Looks just like an elephant to me, (not doubting it, just wondering).


34 posted on 08/19/2011 7:13:34 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: aruanan; djf
They, and a whole lot of other things up there, were frozen so quickly that food in their mouths was still fresh.

One speculation is sudden massive pole-shift of the Earth on it's rotational axis.(physical shift, not magnetic). Think of the Earth as a spinning, precessing top in space. For whatever reason, perhaps a near-miss by a passing asteroid, e.g., it's rotational axis is altered and regions formerly temperate are suddenly shifted much farther "North" in a matter of only a few hours.

Such a cataclysmic movement would probably also result in massive wind storms (hundred's of MPH) as the Earth's atmosphere "slides around" to catch up with the land movement. For the new northern regions these winds might also contribute to rapid, "freeze-dry" type cooling.

Lot's of stuff on the net and in books about cataclysmic earth changes, e.g. Velikovsky, and others.

35 posted on 08/19/2011 7:46:09 PM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: mason-dixon; SunkenCiv

I bet the chef at that exotic banquet your great-uncle attended was the famous Larry London.


36 posted on 08/19/2011 7:51:05 PM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: SunkenCiv
The year 1901 provided a unique opportunity to make a first-hand scientific study of a mammoth that had then recently been exposed on the banks of the Beresovka River in northeastern Siberia and sixty miles inside the Arctic Circle (Digby 1926; Billow 1981; Pfizenmayer 1939; Sanderson 1960).[22] The mammoth was found frozen in a sitting position in what is technically referred to as muck and located in the middle of an ancient landslide. The flesh and even the eyeballs were so well preserved that the expedition's sled dogs had plenty of fresh meat to eat. Death must have come to this specimen very quickly, because the blood still contained some oxygen and was preserved sufficiently well to establish the relationship to the blood of today's Indian elephant, although distinct anatomical differences would not necessarily classify them as the same species. There was well-preserved food in the mouth and twenty-four pounds of undissolved and identifiable plants in the stomach. One interesting and unexpected feature reported by Herz (1904, 623) was an erect male genital.


37 posted on 08/19/2011 7:56:28 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: DJlaysitup
That is funny with the ex. Never had one of those, don't want one.
38 posted on 08/19/2011 8:31:38 PM PDT by AGreatPer
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To: FrogMom

Ping for tomorrow


39 posted on 08/19/2011 9:11:09 PM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: tarheelswamprat

Ahh, yes.

Alan Eckert. The HAB Theory

I have it and have read it a few times, but not recently. At one point in the book, scientists worldwide table a conference to discuss the pros and cons of the theory, and the corroborating evidence.

Those chapters contain a great deal of scientific fact - much of it still unexplained.


40 posted on 08/19/2011 9:14:33 PM PDT by djf (One of the few FReepers who NEVER clicked the "dead weasel" thread!! But may not last much longer...)
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To: FrogMom

My 9 year old said, “If it were alive it would have been much more spectacular.”


41 posted on 08/19/2011 10:32:26 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: bigheadfred
Instead of the moron O Boy calling Moochelle baby mama, he calls her ...

....ah, yes. Would love to see how the first lady reacts to that.

42 posted on 08/20/2011 5:42:48 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: djf
Certainly not overnight or in 2 or 3 days...

If they were found with food in their mouths (what I heard in pre-internet days was buttercups), whatever it was that killed them did so fairly quickly. If there was a sudden drop in temperature, even over the period of a couple of days, food in the mouth could still appear fairly fresh since it would freeze much sooner than the core of the body. Also, if what killed the mammoths and other large mammals was that super solar flare between 11-13k years ago, the radiation could have been sufficient (it was calculated as probably being on the order of several Sv/hour--I was going to link it, but that link is on the computer in the lab) to impede bacterial growth until everything was so solidly frozen that it was as good as being done almost instantaneously.
43 posted on 08/20/2011 5:57:51 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: wildbill

Thanks wildbill.


44 posted on 08/20/2011 6:20:49 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Fred Nerks

Thanks Fred Nerks.


45 posted on 08/20/2011 6:20:49 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Yes, as a matter of fact, it is that time again -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: aruanan; djf
Here is the link I was referring to: Evidence for a Solar Flare Cause of the Pleistocene Mass Extinction by Paul A LaViolette. This is the abstract with a link to the full text via PDF but, unfortunately, it requires a subscription. If you want the PDF, let me know. Here's the abstract:
ABSTRACT. The hypothesis is presented that an abrupt rise in atmospheric radiocarbon concentration evident in the Cariaco Basin varve record at 12,837 ± 10 cal yr BP, contemporaneous with the Rancholabrean termination, may have been produced by a super-sized solar proton event (SPE) having a fluence of ~1.3 × 1011 protons/cm2. A SPE of this magnitude would have been large enough to deliver a lethal radiation dose of at least 3–6 Sv to the Earth’s surface, and hence could have been a principal cause of the final termination of the Pleistocene megafauna and several genera of smaller mammals and birds. The event time-correlates with a large-magnitude acidity spike found at 1708.65 m in the GISP2 Greenland ice record, which is associ- ated with high NO–3 ion concentrations and a rapid rise in 10Be deposition rate, all of which are indicators of a sudden cosmic-ray influx. The depletion of nitrate ions within this acidic ice layer suggests that the snowpack surface at that time was exposed to intense UV for a prolonged period, which is consistent with a temporary destruction of the polar ozone layer by solar cosmic rays. The acidity event also coincides with a large-magnitude, abrupt climatic excursion and is associated with elevated ammonium ion concentrations, an indicator of global fires.

46 posted on 08/20/2011 6:48:07 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Beowulf9

I think the skull is shaped differently. The mammoths have a large hump over their ears/neck, that elephants do not, or at least the elephants’ hump is not an pronounced.


47 posted on 08/20/2011 6:51:00 AM PDT by madison10
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To: FrogMom

Mammoths, dinosaurs, etc. were all part of the world prior to Genesis 1:2. “The world that then was”. When Lucifer rebelled and took control of that world God destroyed it to the point that it was “without form and void”. When God removes Himself from the world all heat is taken away and everything freezes instantly.


48 posted on 08/20/2011 7:49:19 AM PDT by CynicalBear
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To: djf
How did these things freeze before they rotted or were devoured by something?

Walt Brown has a theory.

NOTE: the link is a page in a book.
The entire book is on the site.

49 posted on 08/20/2011 8:47:08 AM PDT by skeptoid (The road to serfdom is being paved by RINO's, and Lisa Murkowski is their mascot.)
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To: Fred Nerks
. . . One interesting and unexpected feature reported by Herz (1904, 623) was an erect male genital. . .

See the Hydroplate Theory,

Frozen Mammoths,

and note #64 on this page for an the cardiovascular mechanics.

50 posted on 08/20/2011 9:21:35 AM PDT by skeptoid (The road to serfdom is being paved by RINO's, and Lisa Murkowski is their mascot.)
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