Skip to comments.Wolf sightings more common in Northwest ( WA, OR, ID )
Posted on 09/03/2011 9:42:33 PM PDT by george76
Wolf sightings in the Blue Mountains are becoming more frequent this summer, but wildlife officials for the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife have yet to document firm evidence of a pack forming in the southeastern corner of the state.
Paul Wik, district biologist for the department at Clarkston, said the canyons and timbered ridges southeast of Dayton have been a hot spot for wolf reports this year. Some hunters have even captured images of wolves with trail cameras, he said.
"It's definitely no secret they are here," Wik said. "The only question to us is what their status is."
It is believed there are five wolf packs in Washington. Wolves in all of Washington are protected by the Washington Endangered Species Act and those in the western two-thirds of the state are protected by the federal Endangered Species Act.
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It’s a matter of time before they are fully involved in wolf management
...then increase their budget, hire more staff, and
....and admonish Little Red Riding Hood.
Ping for the Outdoors/Rural/wildlife list
Oh, some believe there is more than that. Smoke a pack a day.
I was about 12 before I saw my first Bald Eagle in Washington. This was about 1970. Today, my son is about that same age and he has seen dozens and dozens of them. We can go out on any given day on an Eagle watch and find one easily.
My wife reports multiple calls to her police dept with mountain lions coming into yards to carry off small pets. (Pocatello/Chubbuck area of southeast Idaho)
I’ve seen Bald Eagles hunting along the Snake River near Blackfoot, ID. Many more in Yellowstone National Park.
“... mountain lions coming into yards to carry off small pets”
That is just frightening to me. If they are that bold to come into a person’s yard... how long will it be that a child is taken? (mountain lions just scare the heck out of me)
Hell, I'd be more concerned that they will get me!!!
“I’d be more concerned that they will get me”
I read stories about them on FR and to be honest... they are something I wouldn’t want to tangle with. I think the most frightening part of it is that they can stalk or hide (blend in and wait to pounce). Plus, they are big and I couldn’t outrun them. It is probably a good thing that I don’t live in an area with that problem... I would probably be the nutty neighbor who carried a gun to retrieve their mail. LOL!
There’s no upside to the reintroduction of wolves in the Northwest or the lower 48 for that matter. More funds from Fish & Game money used for their management. Less game available for hunters. More livestock and pet depredation and although small an additional danger to humans.
The lack of wolves for the last 80 or so years has caused no problems whatsoever, they should leave well enough alone.
That's false right there - The grey wolf doesn't belong in WA, MT, ID, WY. It has never been here - And the Timber Wolf, while endangered, never left here, so reintroduction is a misnomer... But you are right about the 'no upside' thing.
You’re point is well taken and I agree, I just don’t go into that part of it every time I post on this. The Canadian grey wolf is a larger and more dangerous animal than the American Timber Wolf.
I have a second home in Pennsylvania and just about three months ago I was told by someone I believe that some hunters had positively seen a mountain lion two years ago in an area roughly 10 miles from my house.
Given the cougar’s ability to travel long distances, I have taken to holstering my .357 magnum when I take my dog for walks up there (I’m in Virginia right now).
But as you point out, they can hide and blend into the forest and wait for you (even, as I have read, up in a tree above your path). In which case, if they’re around, I stand little chance.
Oh well, I’m old and have had a good life.
“I’m old and have had a good life”.
Nonsense, OldPossum! You are still very young at heart. You keep carrying that .357 and you stay safe! It wouldn’t surprise me at all if they were in Virginia or Pennsylvania. I would be glancing around for those big paw prints but you know what... there are a lot of predators (4 legged and 2 legged) around us all the time. IMHO, the .357 is sort of your “equalizer” and you should have it on all your walks!
In SW rural OR I see mountain lion tracks on my property every couple of years, heard them scream twice.
Bears are a dime a dozen. Wolves, haven’t heard of any around here (yet).
Not to pry but what do they sound like when they scream? Is it usually at night or any time of the day? I bet it is the type of sound that makes your blood run cold.
I’d read that mountian lions, unlike other large cats, scream, that it sounds like a woman screaming. Once it was at evening twilight, once in the early night.
It was unearthly, not like any scream of a human, really. Almost like the scream or call of a hawk but of course much louder, with more depth. It was very frightening.
You probably reacted way better than I would have, Little Jeremiah! I would have locked myself inside the house and wouldn’t go outside till NOON the next day (and then armed like Rambo). The only GOOD thing... you are aware that they are near you. I would think that awareness is much better than assuming that they aren’t anywhere near you...
We’re armed around here. It’s better to avoid them than shoot them; they’re really just passing through our property because we have no livestock, although they’re happy to eat cats or small dogs. We lock up our cats right before dusk.
I’m sorry to be so nosey but how do people with livestock protect those animals. Is it considered just a loss.. something that occurs in that part of the country? Or, do they secure them in locked barns? (I live in a relatively “urban” type environment. I’m use to the 2 legged predators and what to watch out for but I am interested in how more rural setting dwellers deal with their environment.)
Oh, you’re not being nosy. A lot of people especially those with livestock have several large dogs. Mountain lions avoid dogs especially groups of dogs.
Still, there are periodic reports of predation - I can remember goats, horses and calves, in the last few years. Our valley is surrounded by mountains on one side (7000 ft) and very large hills (up to 4000 ft) on the other, all national and state forest. Lots of habitat.
There are lot of deer and that’s lions usual food.
At the local Idaho State University campus, the Bengal tiger is the official mascot. That isn't what is running around on campus. There are mountain lions wandering on campus. Not all the time, but often enough that you need to be watchful.
My wife is a dispatcher for Chubbuck PD. She had a call from a local resident who had just returned from a trip. The resident was in the basement of her house and heard something growling. The sound came from a window in the basement that looks out under the front porch. Peering through window was a mountain lion. Fish and Game and the police department were dispatched. Upon arrival, the cat was spooked and ran out. The local elementary schools were notified to keep the kids inside until Fish and Game dealt with the kitty.
I love living in Idaho, but it is still wild country in many places. The elk, deer and moose feed in my front yard during the winter. Porcupines and skunks wander through the yard during the warm summer months.
Thanks for the concern. That is very kind of you.
I often am armed most of the time, but all of the time is better.
And yes, there is a very good chance that the cougars are in Virginia. The house in VA is near the Shenandoah National Park and if the cats are anywhere, they’re there. But there are a lot of houses between here and the Park (roughly 25 miles), so it’s unlikely that the cougars would travel in this direction.
“Mountain lions avoid dogs..”
I don’t know why but I find that funny. I guess even BIG cats don’t like dogs. I think if I lived in an area with them, I would have a big pack of dogs. (plus, it would give me an excuse to get even more dogs than I have now!)
I have a friend that I went to elementary school up to college.. she moved to Montana after she married. I remember the first time she told me that there was a “code” set up that meant a Mountain Lion had been spotted and there were special precautions at bus stops (children had to stay in the car till the bus arrived) and at the playground. She had grown up near me... we had NO experience with this whatsoever. I don’t know if one sees it as “more normal” when they grow up in an area with that issue or not.. but she was freaking. I think after 15 years, Montana and all its beauty/and wildness... has grown on her. It did take her a bit of time.
Your story about the woman looking out the window essentially seeing a Mountain Lion looking back... gracious me! You see, I wouldn’t have to call the dispatcher. Nope... your lovely wife would have heard my screams sitting in her chair! LOL!
When you are in area with predators, just strap on a .45 and go about your business.
A Ruger Super Redhawk in .454 Casull or 480 Ruger with 7.5" bbl is a fine choice in the Ruger revolver line.
They are tourist wolves.
Maybe the grizzly bear should be reintroduced in California where they used to roam. Maybe start with the hills of Malibu? After all, it is the icon on their state flag.
Maybe try the old tiger trick of wearing a mask on the back of your head?
“It is probably a good thing that I dont live in an area with that problem... I would probably be the nutty neighbor who carried a gun to retrieve their mail. LOL!”
I do live with AgencyPerson pampered panthers (local name for a cougar). After a number of articles about my views, my neighbors are finally going armed.
Elderly and small makes them prime prospects for predators.
PS Bears are also a local issue.
However, “When gunpowder speaks, beasts obey”.
“... if theyre around, I stand little chance.
Oh well, Im old and have had a good life.”
Actually, with a handgun in a secure holster, you have a small window of time to draw and shoot the cat. They rarely kill at the first bite.
They often go for a face bite, them suffocate the prey by biting down on the front of the face and using their lips to cover and seal off the mouth and nose of the prey.
Time to draw, feel something warm and furry and SHOOT THE SUMB*TCH!
I can only imagine that children and the elderly are “better” targets for the Cats. For one thing, they are smaller. Secondly, some (not all) of the elderly tend to walk a little slower. I am not 100% certain how a predator thinks.. but it seems to me that those two classifications of people are just what they would want.
I am very glad some of your neighbors have finally listened to you. You never know.. you could have just saved a life.
“Wolves a deathly afraid of the human scent.”
No offense meant, but short of hard data, I must call ‘pullis fumis’ on that statement.
Very, very interesting information. Thank you.
Predators share many behavioral mechanisms. My Irish Wolfhounds were superbly adapted to ascertaining the most minute changes in movement of potential prey or enemies.
Before the earliest men in the area that became Ireland arrived, the native canids were using such evolutionarily acquired skills to determine which ungulate might have an injured joint, a torn ligament, a split hoof, or any other injury which would make that animal an easier meal with less risk.
Men then bred those wolfhound predecessors for their ability to ascertain non-verbal ques to human behavior. The result was an animal that can read human body language to the extent that their usefulness as throne room guard dogs was such that export of such dogs was forbidden, and only the kings could afford to feed them, in any case.
Elderly and children move differently, as is true for all species. Predators key in on such different movements.
As Jefferson advised in his letter to Cartwright, “....let your gun be your constant companion on your walks.”
A common belief among the Founders was that “..it is the right and duty of the citizen to be at all times armed”. Given the rising frequency of home invasions, it is reasoned and prudent to carry when at home.
“Wolves a deathly afraid of the human scent.”
Horsepucky! They are careful if they have been hunted, but will readily attack a single person if they are hungry. Recent cases in AK have shown that. Two years ago, my son in AK killed a wolf that was trying to chow down on a moose that he shot...just hanging around the perimeter of camp looking for an opportunity!
Most solitary predators are extremely stealthy...less energy expended and less risk of injury and starvation. A notable exception would be a large, male grizzly bear that has no natural enemies and can run down and easily kill almost any large prey encountered, but still, it’s a shorter chase when they can sneak closer before attacking!
One could make an argument for keeping small, quick terriers that would attract predators and keep them preoccupied long enough for you to pull out your cannon for the kill shot.....3-Ss and put the monitoring collar on a bus headed for Tampa or Miami!! HAW
You are right in stating that “wolves are a low threat to humans”. There has been only 2 cases of wolves being implicated in human deaths in North America over the past 100 years. One in 2005 and the other in 2010(Alaska). Both were nears dumps where wolves, bear and coyote frequented. There was no proof of which of these animals did the killing but wolves were implicated. Since 1990 bears(brown and grizzly) have killed 59. Since 1990 cougars have killed 11. Domestic dogs kill 20-30 people every year.
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