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Dwarf galaxies suggest dark matter theory may be wrong
BBC ^ | September 16, 2011 | Leila Battison

Posted on 09/16/2011 3:33:06 PM PDT by decimon

Scientists' predictions about the mysterious dark matter purported to make up most of the mass of the Universe may have to be revised.

Research on dwarf galaxies suggests they cannot form in the way they do if dark matter exists in the form that the most common model requires it to.

That may mean that the Large Hadron Collider will not be able to spot it.

Leading cosmologist Carlos Frenk spoke of the "disturbing" developments at the British Science Festival in Bradford.

The current theory holds that around 4% of the Universe is made up of normal matter - the stuff of stars, planets and people - and around 21% of it is dark matter.

The remainder is made up of what is known as dark energy, an even less understood hypothetical component of the Universe that would explain its ever-increasing expansion.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Astronomy; Science
KEYWORDS: darkenergy; darkforce; darkmatter; stringtheory
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1 posted on 09/16/2011 3:33:10 PM PDT by decimon
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To: SunkenCiv

In the dark ping.


2 posted on 09/16/2011 3:34:17 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

Oh, darn, I hate it when that happens ~ at the same time I want to know what is shutting down “visible star formation” in distant galaxies that appear to have contiguous streamers connecting them.


3 posted on 09/16/2011 3:35:41 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: decimon

But this was a consensus!!!!!!!


4 posted on 09/16/2011 3:36:15 PM PDT by sgtyork (The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage. Thucydides)
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To: decimon

what does it “matter”?


5 posted on 09/16/2011 3:36:59 PM PDT by brivette
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To: decimon

what does it “matter”?


6 posted on 09/16/2011 3:37:07 PM PDT by brivette
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To: decimon

what does it “matter”?


7 posted on 09/16/2011 3:37:17 PM PDT by brivette
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To: decimon

Dwarfs and midgets are cool.

Whole Galaxies full of them are.. incredibly epic!


8 posted on 09/16/2011 3:37:29 PM PDT by humblegunner (The kinder, gentler version...)
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To: decimon
I'm no cosmologist, but things like dark matter and dark energy sure seem like a modern version of Ptolomy's epicycles.

I have the feeling that in 50-100 years, cosmologists will laugh at just how wrong they were.

9 posted on 09/16/2011 3:38:39 PM PDT by Johnny B.
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To: decimon

But...but...but I thought this matter was already “settled science”.


10 posted on 09/16/2011 3:39:01 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Hey Mexico! Your poverty isn't America's problem.)
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To: humblegunner

Be afraid of strawberries with grey hair but don’t be afraid of the dark.


11 posted on 09/16/2011 3:39:31 PM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a Permenant Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: humblegunner
LOL!
12 posted on 09/16/2011 3:39:41 PM PDT by blues_guitarist (Crack is the "crack" of crackheads . . . -- Anon.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Has anyone consulted Al Gore about this?


13 posted on 09/16/2011 3:42:56 PM PDT by donhunt (Certified and proud "Son of a Bitch".)
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To: muawiyah

Been reading the electric universe theory?

In my opinion, Physics is stuck in a rut until the next megagenius shows up to discover some simple and elegant truth that the rest of them have missed. Something is obviously flawed in their theories when they need to invent fantasies such as “dark matter” and “dark energy”. If they were being honest scientists, they would just call them “fudge factors” and be upfront that they were merely placeholders to patch the theory up.


14 posted on 09/16/2011 3:43:27 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: decimon

The Universe is made up of two things. Matter, and Doesn’t Matter. Matter comprises about .000000000000000000001% of the Universe. The rest is “Doesn’t Matter”.


15 posted on 09/16/2011 3:44:49 PM PDT by Paradox (Democrats on Obama, They can't deny him, He is them.)
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To: decimon
Man tries soooooo hard to figure all this stuff out...the order of it. It can't reproduce it...not on paper or for real.

When will man admit his proper place in the universe instead of trying to defend his superiority over God by simple denial.

Of course we've made strides in all sciences...it's amazing....but someone was ALWAYS and FOREVER...one step ahead of us....laying the foundations of our discoveries.

Footnote...Morality wise...we've gone backwards...a right to destroy a new life, an unborn child. I'll always be ashamed of our country for this approach and the forcing of the gay life style upon us. Shame on the USA.

16 posted on 09/16/2011 3:45:02 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Johnny B.
I have the feeling that in 50-100 years, cosmologists will laugh at just how wrong they were.

They'll probably just go back to cutting hair.

17 posted on 09/16/2011 3:49:19 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici ("Si, se gimme!")
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To: decimon
Science falsely so called

1 Timothy 6:20 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:

18 posted on 09/16/2011 3:50:00 PM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again for our justification)
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To: decimon

Sounds like prequel-spin for when the LHC fails to find DM.


19 posted on 09/16/2011 3:51:36 PM PDT by samtheman (Palin. In your heart you know she's right.)
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To: decimon
A dwarf galaxy:


20 posted on 09/16/2011 3:52:25 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Boogieman

The problem is they rely on computer models and instead of believing their computer models could be wrong they invent things like dark matter and dark energy to make their models work.

In real science you gather data and then from that data that’s where you develop a hypothesis.

They are not doing that, instead they are starting with a hypothesis and then they are trying to make the observations fit. That is not science, the Global warming fraudsters and the Dinos were killed by an asteroid people do they same thing.


21 posted on 09/16/2011 3:56:05 PM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: Johnny B.
I have the feeling that in 50-100 years, cosmologists will laugh at just how wrong they were.

True enough. It wasn't until the 1930s that we realized that the universe consisted of more than our own galaxy.
22 posted on 09/16/2011 3:56:35 PM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a Permenant Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: decimon

Scientists are starting to remind me of Ancient Astronaut theorists... just wild speculations such as “perhaps” maybe” it could be”. Scientists, we pay them to make the mistakes we don’t want to make.


23 posted on 09/16/2011 4:00:31 PM PDT by Ancient Drive (DRINK COFFEE! - Do Stupid Things Faster with More Energy!)
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To: Ancient Drive

In this case they’re scientists talking about theoretical sciences. Basically doing what theoretical scientists have done for thousands of years. Sometimes they’re right and sometimes they’re wrong.


24 posted on 09/16/2011 4:04:23 PM PDT by cripplecreek (A vote for Amnesty is a vote for a Permenant Democrat majority. ..Choose well.)
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To: VeniVidiVici
Remember that before Edwin Hubble and not that many years ago, the ‘entire’ universe was believed to be the Milky Way Galaxy.
25 posted on 09/16/2011 4:10:53 PM PDT by JPG (Palin '12)
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To: Johnny B.

My question is: Do they know how much matter has been swallowed up by all the black holes?


26 posted on 09/16/2011 4:11:13 PM PDT by aimhigh
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To: decimon
Dwarf galaxies suggest dark matter theory may be wrong

Don't they mean "Little Person Galaxies?"

27 posted on 09/16/2011 4:19:54 PM PDT by GreenHornet
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To: decimon
I would not be surprised within 15 years some physicist revives the supposedly discarded theory of aether and comes up with a totally new theory of physics that overthrows everything we've known since the 1600's.
28 posted on 09/16/2011 4:43:27 PM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: Sacajaweau
When will man admit his proper place in the universe instead of trying to defend his superiority over God by simple denial.

That you imagine this to be so does not make it so.

29 posted on 09/16/2011 4:55:16 PM PDT by decimon
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To: GreenHornet
Dwarf stars and dark matter are not mutually exclusive constructs....
30 posted on 09/16/2011 4:55:16 PM PDT by mikrofon (Watchu talkin' about, physics?)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Someone shut the deniers up. We all know it must be dark matter. Why can’t these agitators just go away and leave science alone. Oh they agony of it all.


31 posted on 09/16/2011 4:57:29 PM PDT by taterjay
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To: decimon; Sacajaweau
"That you imagine this to be so does not make it so."

That you imagine this not to be so does not make it not so.

32 posted on 09/16/2011 5:01:16 PM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: decimon
"The current theory holds that around 4% of the Universe is made up of normal matter..."

IOW, 96% of what is supposed to exist according to these models is invisible by definition.

How very 'scientific'...

33 posted on 09/16/2011 5:09:00 PM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: brivette

It does not. Bullshit for the masses.


34 posted on 09/16/2011 5:11:07 PM PDT by YankeeDoodleRebel
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To: Paradox
"The Universe is made up of two things. Matter, and Doesn’t Matter. Matter comprises about .000000000000000000001% of the Universe. The rest is “Doesn’t Matter”."

I was just going to suggest that "dark matter" and "dark energy" are scientists' way of not saying "God created..."

35 posted on 09/16/2011 5:34:03 PM PDT by redhead (Never Forget. Never Forget. NEVER FORGET!)
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To: Boogieman
In my opinion, Physics is stuck in a rut until the next megagenius shows up to discover some simple and elegant truth that the rest of them have missed.

I agree. I'm appreciative of my EE Advanced Physic professor (from decades ago) who taught us to derive Special Relativity from scratch, the way Einstein did it. That is what it will take to get rid of these fudge factors and hippie theories (strings).

Like Einstein, it will take someone with the intellect and the personal time to pursue their own ideas unhindered by the current "cool" ideas. Einstein couldn't get a job teaching physics, so that freed him to pursue his own work. He mentioned later on that had he gotten the job he wanted, he would have ended up doing research based on the same wrong-headed ideas as everyone else at the time.

36 posted on 09/16/2011 5:36:06 PM PDT by Clock King (Ellisworth Toohey was right: My head's gonna explode.)
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To: humblegunner

WHY have they never told us? /s


37 posted on 09/16/2011 5:44:36 PM PDT by WePledge (Ich werde fur immer ein Hollenhund werden. Semper Fidelis)
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To: GourmetDan
That you imagine this not to be so does not make it not so.

I've not said what you imagine.

38 posted on 09/16/2011 5:49:28 PM PDT by decimon
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To: PoloSec
Science falsely so called

What here is falsely called science?

39 posted on 09/16/2011 5:50:58 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon
"I've not said what you imagine."

Neither did I...

40 posted on 09/16/2011 5:54:55 PM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: decimon

Ahhhhhhh........but we are made of the stuff of stars.


41 posted on 09/16/2011 5:59:02 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: decimon
I don't know about dwarf galaxies, but when it comes to dwarf stars, I have some favorites:


42 posted on 09/16/2011 6:00:30 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a liberal when I married her.)
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To: GourmetDan
"I've not said what you imagine."

Neither did I...

Then we agree that you've said nothing.

43 posted on 09/16/2011 6:13:32 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon
"Then we agree that you've said nothing."

Unless we agreed that you've said nothing.

44 posted on 09/16/2011 6:26:34 PM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: GourmetDan
"Then we agree that you've said nothing."

Unless we agreed that you've said nothing.

I made so statement. What I did was call you out on some gibberish you posted. Gibberish you've yet to give any substance to.

45 posted on 09/16/2011 6:46:36 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon
"What I did was call you out on some gibberish you posted."

Claiming to do what I did doesn't make it so.

46 posted on 09/16/2011 6:50:51 PM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: GourmetDan
"What I did was call you out on some gibberish you posted."

Claiming to do what I did doesn't make it so.

What then were you intending to say? So far you have said nothing.

47 posted on 09/16/2011 7:10:38 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon
"So far you have said nothing."

I have said far more than you can imagine.

48 posted on 09/16/2011 7:16:47 PM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: GourmetDan
"So far you have said nothing."

I have said far more than you can imagine.

No, you are like a dog chasing its tail.

49 posted on 09/16/2011 7:39:59 PM PDT by decimon
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To: RayChuang88
"I would not be surprised within 15 years some physicist revives the supposedly discarded theory of aether"

Most people don't know about the ether/aether theory, but every time I read a story about dark matter or dark energy I chuckle a little bit to myself.

"Look, I just proved that light travels in waves."
"But waves need some sort of medium to travel though."
"ummm, right.......... I know, the universe is filled with something that you can't see or detect called.......aether. Yeah, that's the ticket!"


So you may be right. My invisible friend agrees.
50 posted on 09/16/2011 8:02:04 PM PDT by Free_SJersey (Celebrate Diversity------------ Divide and Conquer?)
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