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I think Palin's unfavoribles are wide, but less than an inch deep

Posted on 09/18/2011 3:07:02 PM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative

Obviously there is no logical reason for her unfavorables in the polls to be what they are. Did she do anything like let an intern give her oral sex or get involved in some disasterous scandal ? absolutely not. There is NOTHING on her. They have looked and looked and looked. Nobody has found a thing. She seems to be the kind of leader that the American people are wanting to represent them.

They do. I contend to you that her unfavoribles mean NOTHING. It is useless polling data and should have no impact on who wins the nomination in 2012. If she gets the nomination, she would win electoral votes based on national and global events (the economy, ect)

I believe the number of Americans who hate her with a passion is very very small. The unfavoribles you see in the polls are a result of some very shallow group think left over from the 2012. Nobody has seen Saraj Palin run her own national campaign. It would not take much at all to turn those numbers inside out.

What we see here is that the anti palin people in this country are just very loud. Conservatives hear them and for some reason think the high volume of their voice mean they have huge numbers. Even some here on FR get their information from people who hate them and then they are ignorant enough to toss it around like it is fact !


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1 posted on 09/18/2011 3:07:09 PM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

“there is no logical reason for her unfavorables”

What’s logic have to do with it? Dems hate her because they think she is a hillbilly idiot, Republicans dislike her because they think she has no chance of winning, women don’t trust her because they think she’s a phony.

It’s really not that hard to understand.


2 posted on 09/18/2011 3:11:49 PM PDT by magritte
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

She didn’t do anything wrong. She just needs to present herself better.


3 posted on 09/18/2011 3:11:56 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Thank you, Bob!)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

“There is NOTHING on her”

It’s media manufactured. And they will do it over and over again until we make this subtle controlling propaganda a big issue. People need to SEE it.

They have got very good at propaganda because they use it in feedback with polling.


4 posted on 09/18/2011 3:12:10 PM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

She needs to be the Palin that existed prior to the VP campaign. I remember watching one of the Alaska governor debates and wondered what happened to that Palin?


5 posted on 09/18/2011 3:15:19 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Thank you, Bob!)
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To: magritte

if the reasons are that shallow, they can be changed in a hurry. there is no strong inner conviction among the voters behind her unfavoribility

its nowhere near an absolute


6 posted on 09/18/2011 3:16:33 PM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative
I contend to you that her unfavoribles mean NOTHING.

Correct. Reagan was able to eliminate his unfavorables. Sarah would be able to as well. I find it laughable that so many people think Perry has things locked up 5 months before the first primary.

I think Sarah will jump in within the next two weeks.

7 posted on 09/18/2011 3:19:18 PM PDT by sargon (I don't like the sound of these "boncentration bamps")
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To: ari-freedom

Palin is one of those people who presents herself the best when all odds are against her. Thats why I still think she might give it a shot.


8 posted on 09/18/2011 3:19:25 PM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

She carries an awfully heavy load on her shoulders, and her enemies are relentless. They’ve attacked her children, tried to burn down her church, conspired to bankrupt her and her family, accused her of complicity in mass murder, and with this week, pushed yet another series of outlandish smears to destroy her. It’s really become something of an epic battle of good versus evil, moreso than just a simple political story. Unfortunately, it appears evil has the upper-hand in this country. At least at this moment in time.


9 posted on 09/18/2011 3:19:43 PM PDT by greene66
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

She lost a fair amount of support when she left the governorship in the middle of her term.


10 posted on 09/18/2011 3:20:03 PM PDT by freespirited (Stupid people are ruining America. --Herman Cain)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative
It would not take much at all to turn those numbers inside out.

You would be wrong there. She runs in the middle of the pack for intensity even though she has near 100% name recognition. I can't see where there are people in the party that she can bring over to her side. It appears that she is stuck with the bad PR even if it is a wrong impression of her.


11 posted on 09/18/2011 3:22:06 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative
I agree she does not deserve the negatives. The Libs had to try to destroy her because she scared them. Then the establishment republicans joined in for the same reason. She can and will turn it around if she gets in. We will see. If not we are in trouble. Lots of people on this site think Perry is a conservative and there is NO reason except they want to believe it. I love in Texas and voted for him for gov but only because the people he was running against were worse than he was and Governor of Texas is not in a position to do too much damage because of his limited power in our constitution. But being just a placeholder in the next cycle will be very bad. No way for Romney or Perry. We need someone who will really attempt to change the country back to what it once was.
12 posted on 09/18/2011 3:22:40 PM PDT by carjic (I've always been taught to respect my elders.... but it's getting harder to find any!)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

Call me crazy but if Sarah Palin runs the media will favor her because she is a better story.


13 posted on 09/18/2011 3:23:11 PM PDT by vicar7 ("Polls are for strippers and cross-country skiers" Sarah Palin)
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To: greene66

Greene, but her enemies are very small in numbers !

they have no connection with the truck driver from Michigan or the coal miner in PA. But she does !


14 posted on 09/18/2011 3:24:10 PM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative
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To: Lazlo in PA

those are just mundane internal polls. human nature is something much different


15 posted on 09/18/2011 3:25:38 PM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative
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To: greene66

“conspired to bankrupt her and her family,” using the ethics law she championed as their weapon of choice.

http://reason.com/blog/2010/02/07/stopping-by-sarah-palins-speec


16 posted on 09/18/2011 3:26:30 PM PDT by flowerplough (My favorite lesbian in the whole world is Joan Jett.)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

I would like to see her run...even if she does not win. She brings MUCH to the party, so to speak. She raises the bar for the Repubs. She motivates groups of people. She is a patriot that puts country and Constitution before self.

Whatever she decides to do, she is a positive, motivating force that scares the crap out of the far left DemonRATS.

It is all good. Regardless.


17 posted on 09/18/2011 3:27:45 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

Does not matter, she is not running....


18 posted on 09/18/2011 3:28:56 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Sharia? No thanks.)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

they have no connection with the truck driver from Michigan or the coal miner in PA. But she does !

Yep methinks you got it!! Sarah given the chance connects with folks like no one else in my lifetime except maybe RFK. OK I am old but Sarah is special like few others and I hope she gives it a go.


19 posted on 09/18/2011 3:29:50 PM PDT by vicar7 ("Polls are for strippers and cross-country skiers" Sarah Palin)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative
The whole country hates her, but without being in the race, she is third. HMMMMM, let me axe a question.

How dat happen?

Maybe they like her guns.


20 posted on 09/18/2011 3:30:07 PM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages.)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative
The unfavorables are high for two reasons:

Right from the time she was announced as McCain's running mate, the mainstream liberal media feared Palin as another Ronald Reagan "game-changer" figure so they embarked on a campaign to "Dan Quayle" her.

They have succeeded in driving her negatives up by portraying her as a "not ready for prime time" floozy. Those SNL skits by Tina Fey were devastating. The majority of Americans continue to quote from that skit as though Palin herself said those words.

The second reason is that many Republicans do not like her either. When Palin was governor in Alaska, she went after corruption whether it was Democrats or Republicans. She is thus not a "team" player in their eyes. She is not one of the "good old boys club" in Republican circles.

That all said, I agree with you that her negatives are only an inch deep. Once she gets into the race and runs her campaign on her own terms, many Americans will see her for what she is - a citizen just like most of us who truly wants to advance the conservative cause and not just hold public office so that she can enrich herself through cronyism and power broking.

Now her negatives will always be high because she is a true conservative. Ronald Reagan always had hatred directed towards him by liberals because he was a real conservative who actually believed in what he said and acted accordingly.

21 posted on 09/18/2011 3:30:58 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (All my replies get posted to AttackWatch)
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To: isthisnickcool

do you have inside info ?

the nomination is not offically decided until.. heck.. the Republican National Convention. So you don’t know if she is running or not.


22 posted on 09/18/2011 3:31:06 PM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative
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To: freespirited
All those ethics suits brought state business to a halt. Although Palin had to pay her own attorney fees, state workers had to get info from the records. As soon as suits were dismissed, more were filed. Since Alaska government could no longer function properly, should she have stayed? And yes, I am asking you a serious question.

Btw, it wasn't the middle of her term. She served 2/3rds.

23 posted on 09/18/2011 3:35:33 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative
those are just mundane internal polls. human nature is something much different

Really? Well if you want to get into speculation and disregard facts, can you show me were rank and file GOP voters ever jumped out on a limb to nominate someone like Palin? Goldwater might be the closest and that didn't turn out too well. GOP voters always choose the safe, easy choice every time. Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush, Dole, Bush, McLame. That is why Mittens and Perry are out front. They don't scare anyone.

24 posted on 09/18/2011 3:35:35 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks se_ohio_young_conservative.


25 posted on 09/18/2011 3:35:50 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: ari-freedom
She didn’t do anything wrong. She just needs to present herself better.

There's nothing wrong with her presentation- it's the lamestream media who are distorting it.

26 posted on 09/18/2011 3:35:51 PM PDT by citizencon
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To: SamAdams76

How in the hell did Tina Fey have influence over the electorate. Thats one challenge than Palin does have is pop culture,

but my lord, people are having a hard time putting food on their table now. this will be a different election. a 1932 or a 1980


27 posted on 09/18/2011 3:37:48 PM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

“they have no connection with the truck driver from Michigan or the coal miner in PA. But she does !”

problem is, I’m from NY and I don’t think she will do very well here. And it has nothing to do with her positions. Turner won here *because* he’s a social conservative. But you have to know how to make the case for it.


28 posted on 09/18/2011 3:38:12 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Thank you, Bob!)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative
Obviously there is no logical reason for her unfavorables in the polls to be what they are.

There doesn't have to be a logical reason that you'd approve of for why voters view Palin extremely unfavorably.

I think Palin got very unfairly beat up in 2008. The media ripped her to shreds, exposed every weakness and otherwise sought to undermine her in every way imaginable.

Still, Palin had a way to recover from that. She could have kept her job as Governor, stayed out of the limelight, brushed up on all manner of issues she is not used to dealing with, given an occasional speech at non partisan events, etc. She needed to just go away for awhile, stay out of the spotlight, let time pass and come back stronger. Instead she chose to quit her gig as Governor, do silly RealityTV, hawk books, do hit and run appearances designed to grab attention away from actual candidates, and otherwise turned herself into what people view as a celebrity instead of a serious potential candidate. She's overexposed and people have Palin fatigue That is how she wrecked any chance she might have had to run a serious campaign in 2012. This is why I am left to assume she never had any intention to run in the first place.

29 posted on 09/18/2011 3:39:38 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Lazlo in PA

Every once in awhile you get a JFK or Reagan type candidate who provides high risk..but also high reward because they connect with the folks.


30 posted on 09/18/2011 3:40:41 PM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative
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To: ari-freedom

ari, it will be decided by economic and global current events. thats where elections are decided. I don’t think it will matter what state you are in ..in 2012.

this looks like a 1980 or 1932 type of an election


31 posted on 09/18/2011 3:43:50 PM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

She has to show that she understands the economy and global current events. Nobody wants Gov You betcha! as their next commander in chief.


32 posted on 09/18/2011 3:45:56 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Thank you, Bob!)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

Ingrained perceptions can’t be changed in a hurry. It takes time, money, and Palin needs to actual show the less than enthralled that she ISN’T those things.

So far, none of that has occurred.


33 posted on 09/18/2011 3:46:23 PM PDT by magritte
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To: magritte

there are no scandals, crimes or dirty laundry to us against her.


34 posted on 09/18/2011 3:51:36 PM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative
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To: Longbow1969

One thing you didn’t mention: When Palin went back up to Alaska after the election, to continue her job as governor, she DID keep a low profile. But the media kept tabloidizing her family, and headlining constant stories about her “unethicalness” (via those frivolous ethics lawsuits). She was being beaten into the ground by the constant media attacks at that time, too. And, she WAS definately keeping a low-profile then. Even Bristol!

After she left her office, it was THEN she tried to at least take personal charge of her media presentation. Whether or not things like the reality show and the series of speeches were the correct route to go is perfectly debateable, of course. But, I just wanted to point out, during her post-election time as governor, she definately did not seek out the limelight, and the media was relentless towards her, and her approval ratings were being crunched downward very rapidly. Had she stayed in office, all that would have continued.


35 posted on 09/18/2011 3:51:45 PM PDT by greene66
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative
She quit her job. She has reasons for it, but she signed into law the bill that made her quit.

She is now bashing GOP primary candidates like Rick Perry and smearing them without proof.

She has had her own reality TV show, her daughter was on a popular TV show, and the Palins bought a mansion in Scottsdale, AZ.

She supported Juan McLame and Carly Fiorina over more conservative candidates in GOP primaries.

She is a well-paid member of the media.

What amazes me is how some people seem to think she is a serious candidate who can win an election, and not just a celebrity who likes her name in the news.

36 posted on 09/18/2011 3:52:46 PM PDT by Carling (Sarah Palin Supported TARP Before She Was Against It)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

I agree. I believe once Sarah starts her campaign and voters compare her side to side with the other candidates (even CC or Jeb if they run)that it will be obvious to most that she is the one needed at this time.


37 posted on 09/18/2011 3:54:06 PM PDT by GlockLady (Hit him again, Todd!)
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To: Carling
What amazes me is how some people seem to think she is a serious candidate who can win an election, and not just a celebrity who likes her name in the news.

What amazes me is how clueless you PDS'ers are.

38 posted on 09/18/2011 3:55:46 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: Carling

Rick Perry is too southern anyways. I can’t stand the guy and I hope she keeps trying to derail him.


39 posted on 09/18/2011 3:56:17 PM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative
Obviously there is no logical reason for her unfavorables in the polls to be what they are

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I learned in HS that any argument that starts with "obviously" or "clearly" is on shaky ground and the one making the argument is trying to pre-empt any disagreement with his basic premise as being confused or murky.

40 posted on 09/18/2011 3:56:17 PM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: wtc911

no i used obviously because almost everyone here already agrees


41 posted on 09/18/2011 3:57:18 PM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative
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To: Carling

She was serious before she was picked to be VP. I think that’s why we were so excited when she was picked because we knew her story. Then something got to her.


42 posted on 09/18/2011 3:57:28 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Thank you, Bob!)
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To: Carling

She will go the way of Huckabee.


43 posted on 09/18/2011 3:57:28 PM PDT by Palladin (Sarah: Fencesitters get splinters (you know where)!)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative
The unfavoribles you see in the polls are a result of some very shallow group think left over from the 2012

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Time-travelling group think?

44 posted on 09/18/2011 3:58:41 PM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: wtc911

I meant to say 2008 ..sorry


45 posted on 09/18/2011 4:00:58 PM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative
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To: Palladin
She will go the way of Huckabee.

She has already, IMO. All she is missing is her own TV show. Oh ... wait...

It would be nice for the conservative base if she would just say she isn't running in 2012. All she is doing now is keeping the spotlight on her, and she is throwing foul chum into the GOP debate right now with her comments as a member of the media on FoxNews. Newt had to quit FoxNews. Santorum had to quit Foxnews. If Palin announces, I'll have to add "stringing FoxNews along to make money off of them" to a potential negative. I like her making money, but not if she is being coy about it.

46 posted on 09/18/2011 4:01:38 PM PDT by Carling (Sarah Palin Supported TARP Before She Was Against It)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative
Can't you feel that index finger pointing you right in the face, tell you what is what? I thing we have the emergence of a republican algore campaign.
47 posted on 09/18/2011 4:02:04 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative
if the reasons are that shallow, they can be changed in a hurry

Could it be that the reasons are shadow because people are shallow? How quick can you forget the vapid emptiness of the entire Obama Hope & Change Campaign?

Shallow emotionalism works great when you own the Enemedia and time things out so that these shallow things peak in early November.

It seems to me is that you want Sarah standing before Greek foam Pillars.

48 posted on 09/18/2011 4:02:54 PM PDT by The Theophilus (Obama's Key to win 2012: Ban Haloperidol)
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To: Longbow1969
She needed to just go away for awhile, stay out of the spotlight, let time pass and come back stronger.

You're conveniently forgetting that she did, but that Obama sent his goons up to Alaska to coordinate with the local Rats to attack and destroy her. Everything you mentioned happened after the hit squad did it's dirty work, and she needed to make money fast to cover her legal bills and to fight back, which she did. In fact, in late 2009 and early 2010, she was the ONLY prominent National Republican who was fighting back and effectively, leading to even more attacks and 'overexposure' (as you put it).

Her only other choice was to let Team Obama win, and I'm thankful that she didn't.

49 posted on 09/18/2011 4:03:27 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: ari-freedom
My posts from August 2008 to spring 2010, when she started endorsing McLama and Fiorina, were nothing but glowing. I've never been one to be swayed by charisma, and I do think Sarah Palin is a good person and has an amazing way to connect with people. That doesn't mean I can't see patterns with her political career, and judge her political viability accordingly.
50 posted on 09/18/2011 4:05:00 PM PDT by Carling (Sarah Palin Supported TARP Before She Was Against It)
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