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Farmers flee as world's deadliest volcano rumbles (Tambora)
AP, via Yahoo! News ^ | September 19, 2011 | NASRULLAH ROA

Posted on 09/20/2011 6:32:13 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner

Bold farmers in Indonesia routinely ignore orders to evacuate the slopes of live volcanoes, but those living on Tambora took no chances when history's deadliest mountain rumbled ominously this month.

Villagers like Hasanuddin Sanusi have heard since they were young how the mountain they call home once blew apart in the largest eruption ever recorded — an 1815 event widely forgotten outside their region — killing 90,000 people and blackening skies on the other side of the globe.

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TOPICS: Science; Weather
KEYWORDS: catastrophism; tambora; volcano Comment #1 Removed by Moderator

To: Virginia Ridgerunner

I think it was Krakatoa that was called “the loudest sound ever heard”

People 20 miles away lost their hearing. It was so bizarre to read a story about how suddenly everyone was walking around trying to figure out what happenened, but no one could hear anyone else.


2 posted on 09/20/2011 6:37:43 AM PDT by Mr. K (Palin/Bachman 2012- unbeatable ticket~!!!)
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To: Mr. K

Yeah, and Tambora was four times bigger. Imagine the sound it made.


3 posted on 09/20/2011 6:38:51 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
Algore will sue God.

The Year Without a Summer (also known as the Poverty Year, Year There Was No Summer, and Eighteen Hundred and Froze to Death[1]) was 1816, in which severe summer climate abnormalities caused average global temperatures to decrease by about 0.4–0.7 °C (0.7–1.3 °F),[2] resulting in major food shortages across the Northern Hemisphere.[3][4] It is believed that the anomaly was caused by a combination of a historic low in solar activity with a volcanic winter event, the latter caused by a succession of major volcanic eruptions capped off by the Mount Tambora eruption of 1815, the largest known eruption in over 1,300 years.
4 posted on 09/20/2011 6:42:17 AM PDT by TSgt (When in the Course of human events...)
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To: Mr. K
Wow.

It's not often that the very FIRST comment (the one from the person who posted the article) gets deleted.

I wonder what Virginia Ridgerunner said...

5 posted on 09/20/2011 6:47:26 AM PDT by WayneS (Don't Blame Me, I voted for Kodos!)
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To: WayneS

I posted the accompanying photograph of Tambora. Apparently it is considered a copyrighted image, even though it’s all over the web and fair use applies.


6 posted on 09/20/2011 6:50:09 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: WayneS
" wonder what Virginia Ridgerunner said... "

Don't know, but I'm sure it was followed by a freepmail saying "Knock-it-off".

7 posted on 09/20/2011 6:52:33 AM PDT by Godebert
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Ahhhh. That explains it.

I knew that you are not normally given to making comments so offensive as to require deletion, so I was wondering what had happened.


8 posted on 09/20/2011 6:54:24 AM PDT by WayneS (Don't Blame Me, I voted for Kodos!)
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To: WayneS

I enjoy military, aviation, nautical, space, and natural history threads, but the only time I ever get in trouble with the mods (which is rare) is on the Palin threads fighting with the PDS’ers.


9 posted on 09/20/2011 6:57:11 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: Mr. K

WHAT?!


10 posted on 09/20/2011 6:57:46 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: Mr. K
Only 10,000 people worldwide survived the last time Toba blew its top. Toba is in the same area.

Late Pleostocene Human Population Bottlenecks. . . (Toba)


11 posted on 09/20/2011 7:02:50 AM PDT by blam
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To: TSgt
Same thing happened in the United States. Scores of people left New England and moved into the Finger Lakes area of New York. The building and completion of the Erie Canal helped hasten the exodus. By 1830 or so, Buffalo was the 4th largest city in the United States (after New York, Philadelphia and Baltimore).

Very interesting history of what the canal did for the economy of New York: It basically made it the top economy and most populous state in America for the next 130 years or so.

12 posted on 09/20/2011 7:27:49 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Mr. K

Great... one more 2012 event.

What do food stamps get you when there isn’t any food?


13 posted on 09/20/2011 7:33:58 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: blam
Only 10,000 people worldwide survived the last time Toba blew its top. Toba is in the same area.

Great... as if conference re-alignment wasn't bad enough, now I have to start worrying about super-volcanoes again. :-(

You know... the MOST amusing part of all the Glow-Bull Warming alarmism is... anyone who knows ANYTHING about global climate knows; we are LONG overdue for another Ice Age. It WILL come... and, when they do, they start remarkably quickly.

Most likely, I'd guess... getting kick started by something like Toba. CHEERS!

14 posted on 09/20/2011 7:45:10 AM PDT by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them)
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To: SampleMan

What do food stamps get you when there isn’t any food?

Roughage.....


15 posted on 09/20/2011 7:50:32 AM PDT by G Larry (I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character)
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To: Mr. K
RUN FOR YOUR LIVES! Seriously.
16 posted on 09/20/2011 7:53:12 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: WayneS

Some mods delete blank post.

Why are only farmers fleeing?

Are the butchers, bakers and candle stick makers ok with the volcano?


17 posted on 09/20/2011 7:57:46 AM PDT by ThomasThomas ( Congressmen should wear uniforms like NASCAR drivers, so we can identify their corporate sponsors.)
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To: blam
When was that Late Pleostocene thingie?

And is that related to the (fairly) recent assertion by evolutionary biologists that the human race cannot be traced back to a number fewer than 10,000? I haven't really looked into the details, but it occurred to me that the human race may have gone thrugh quite a few "chokepoints" at which times there were significant die-off, with the survival of a relative handful who then became the progenitors of the human race.

All of them would still have had --- if you went well back before the choke-point event --- the same ancestors, even if they were, so to speak, "Mitochondrial Eve" and "Y-Chromosome Adam". Thus all present humans of whatever ethnos are the same species, and thus spring from the same genetic ancestors, with subsequent spread and variation.

I have no idea if the population chokepoint referred to by the evolutioonary biologists is the same thing as the Late Pleostocene event, or even related; nor do I know where to put these events on a time line, although I am supposing it's a sensible time-line comprising only a few million years.

Can you (or some other well-informed FReeper) give me a clue here?

18 posted on 09/20/2011 8:04:17 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Point of interrogation.... I'm here to learn.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Take The Journey Of Mankind, it includes the Toba event 75K years ago.
19 posted on 09/20/2011 8:25:02 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Thanks very much for this. I did the quick flyover (eithout added material) and was rather surprised byt eh recentnes of Tmbora, as well as by the fact that all 6 continents had human communities a long, long time before theadvet of agriculture, which they have pegged as 8,000 - 10,00 years ago, with the retreat of the most recent planet icing.

I belive "Mitochondrial Eve" would have been way, way before that, maybe a milion years ago, and she is -- by some hypotheses --- the ancestress of all human groups presently represented on the planet. This hypotheses is based on the mitochondria in the ovum (sperm have no mitochondria), hence a method of tracking through the female line. But I'll have to look that up.

Thanks again for the good info.

20 posted on 09/20/2011 9:00:09 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Despite the redness of my neck, I prefer to be called "Appalachian-American.")
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To: SomeCallMeTim

Actually, we are still in an Ice Age albeit an Interglacial Warm Period of the current Ice Age. The Glowbull Warming fantatics never mention this nor do they mention that it is a fact that the glaciers will once again grow - We just do not know when.


21 posted on 09/20/2011 10:04:08 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: Mrs. Don-o
"This hypotheses is based on the mitochondria in the ovum (sperm have no mitochondria), hence a method of tracking through the female line. But I'll have to look that up."

Correct.

I've had my DNA checked and my mtDNA is 'V' and my yDNA is R1b. The 'V' is rare and indicates that I'm related to the Sami (reindeer herders) of the Kola peninsular and the R1b (my particular kind), indicates that I'm Norweigen.

My dad's mother (Mrs Smith) is related to Cheddar Man.

22 posted on 09/20/2011 11:03:58 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Oh, that’s cool. Long tall family tree!


23 posted on 09/20/2011 11:31:52 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (When I grow up I'm gonna settle down/ Chew honeycomb and drive a tractor, grow things in the ground.)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
Eighteen Hundred And Froze To Death (The Infamous 'Year Without Summer')
24 posted on 09/20/2011 1:12:26 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam; 75thOVI; agrace; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; aristotleman; ...

Thanks blam.


25 posted on 09/20/2011 7:16:35 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: All
The world's deadliest volcano is either Yellowstone or Toba.

The good news is that even some of the major bad volcanoes can have small eruptions that do not threaten civilizations. Tambora erupted in 1967. It was minor. I think it's been too quickly for Tambora to nail us all on the level of 1815. I do not expect this to be something on the level of 1815 if for no other reason that 200 years is not a lot time in volcano time. It usually takes hundreds, if not thousands, of years between eruptions for there to be a massive eruption. Mt Pinatubo had an interval of about 2-3 thousand years between massive eruptions.

VEI 6 eruptions are rare. Pinatubo, Krakatoa, Laki (worst climate effect), Santa Maria, Novarupta (Alaska).
VEI 7 even rarer. Tambora, Possibly Baekdu mtn in 969, Taupo in 200AD, Possibly Santorini's Minoan eruption which most think was the basis of Atlantis around 2000BC.
VEI 8 eruptions have occured a handful of times in human history. Yellowstone about 600,000 years ago. Toba about 75,000 years ago. Lake Taupo around 25,000 years ago.

26 posted on 09/29/2011 5:09:10 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (Detroit Tigers - First major league team to clinch division title this year.)
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