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Investors may regret not warming up to Microsoft (Pay attention to Windows 8 and Windows Phone)
Fortune ^ | 09/19/2011 | Kevin Kelleher

Posted on 09/20/2011 12:15:49 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Microsoft's obituary has been written plenty of times. There was no place for the software mammoth in a tech world designed -- and dominated -- by Apple. CEO Steve Ballmer was unable to steer the company to a position of growth, leaving Microsoft selling PC software in a post-PC world. So often has Microsoft been written off as irrelevant that investors have largely stopped believing in the stock, which has spent the bulk of the past ten years in a tight range between $25 a share and $30 a share. On Monday, the stock closed around $27, which is where it traded around this time of the year in 2008, in 2006, in 2004, in 2001 … you get the idea.

In the past five days, however, Microsoft's (MSFT) shares have risen by 5%, following the presentation of its latest operating software, Windows 8, to developers. Designed as a fresh start for Windows, it attempts to bridge mobile devices, tablets and traditional PCs. That modest uptick is a sign that investors that have so long written off Redmond's stock may be doing so at their own peril.

In early reviews, Windows 8 received perhaps the strongest praise ever for a version of its operating system and opened up the possibility that Microsoft could in fact become relevant in the so-called post-PC world.

Jean-Louis Gassée, a former Apple (AAPL) executive, wrote that the touch-based Metro user interface added to Windows 8 "is a step along the 'Windows Everywhere' road that leads to a single, elegant UI for all Microsoft-powered devices, whether they're PCs, smartphones, or tablets." TechCrunch called it "actually quite cool and quite intuitive." Even John Gruber, an influential Apple blogger, conceded "it could utterly fail as an iPad competitor, but still be a successful OS."

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet; Society
KEYWORDS: investment; microsoft; windows8; windowsphone

1 posted on 09/20/2011 12:15:56 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
CEO Steve Ballmer was unable to steer the company to a position of growth

Then FIRE his worthless ass. In any other company he might have been let go by now. Why are they keeping him on? He is an embarrassment to Microsoft, in more ways than one.

2 posted on 09/20/2011 12:20:49 PM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: SeekAndFind

Windows Phone 7 has not been a sales success, but its user interface is considered by some to be superior to iOS and Android.

MS is building on that with Windows 8.

The question is: Can MS deliver?

If the system is reliable and can offer a seamless experience between phone, pc and XBox while leveraging their technology with voice commands, facial recognition and gesture recognition (from Kinect), they could end up at the top of the heap.


3 posted on 09/20/2011 12:27:43 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi
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To: Erik Latranyi

Let’s not forget their partnsership with the biggest mobile phone maker in the world — NOKIA.

NOKIA is slowly abandoning the Symbian OS to go with Windows Phone.

If this partnership succeeds, Microsoft will have captures close to 30% of the market.


4 posted on 09/20/2011 12:30:26 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: SeekAndFind
Even John Gruber, an influential Apple blogger, conceded "it could utterly fail as an iPad competitor, but still be a successful OS."

Such high praise, lol.

5 posted on 09/20/2011 12:34:06 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Erik Latranyi

Microsoft has a history of not getting it right when it brings a product out the first time, and then learning from its mistakes and succeeding (sometimes killing the competition on the way).

Count them -— Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows ME, Windows Vista. All of them failures in one way or another.

Her first forays into Games were not successful as well.

And yet, here we are in 2011, and she is still the most dominant OS in the world and a major player in the Games business.

I have a strong feeling she isn’t done yet, even with the paltry acceptance of Windows Phone 7.


6 posted on 09/20/2011 12:36:04 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: RegulatorCountry

A friend is an Apple junkie. He doesn’t think the Ipad is all that hot. He has one and says it is really not much more portable than his apple laptop and significantly inferior in ease of use. Another friend has one and uses it all the time - to let his toddler play games while the rest of us talk.


7 posted on 09/20/2011 12:37:00 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Count them -— Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows ME, Windows Vista. All of them failures in one way or another.

Internet Explorer 1, 2 , and 3.

8 posted on 09/20/2011 12:38:54 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: Erik Latranyi

I was thinking of upgrading my XP machine to Windows 7. So I go to Costco and Sams club and every single version is an upgrade from vista. I don’t want to even think how much it costs as a “non-upgrade”. Meanwhile, at this point I’ll just wait for 8. Might even be a good time to just upgrade the computer. I could retire the Win2000 machine and replace it with the XP machine and replace the XP machine with a new 8 machine.


9 posted on 09/20/2011 12:39:31 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf

Does he think his Windows tablet is all that hot?

I just thought the quote was funny, following up all the breathless panting by saying that Windows 8 could flop like everything Microsoft has done for the past several years, and still be a successful OS. Define success, lol.

That’s called damning with faint praise. Or a backhanded compliment.


10 posted on 09/20/2011 12:41:33 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: SeekAndFind

Mark me down as “I’ll believe it when I see it”. Microsoft’s long-standing problem is that it tries to be all things to all people, and all at the same time. Meaning you can find it everywhere, but it’s seldom (if ever) the best choice for any particular purpose.

From what I’ve heard regarding Windows 8, this is unlikely to change. There are some neat elements to it, but the OS as a whole seems unlikely to live up to the hype being generated around it.


11 posted on 09/20/2011 12:42:50 PM PDT by kevkrom (This space for rent.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

For kicks I just priced windows 7 pro. It’s $300. I might as well just buy a prepackaged machine with win 7 pro.

Or keep using my XP machine - which is fine so far...


12 posted on 09/20/2011 12:44:01 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

HAHAHA. I can get a screamin pc with windows 7 WITH office 2010 for a stinkin’ $800.

It’s like they throw in the PC for free if you buy the software!

Sorry about the spam...


13 posted on 09/20/2011 12:46:52 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf

From my limited experience as an amateur, it’s much better to upgrade the computer so that all the components work together at peak capacity with the OS. And it allows for you to keep some programs you like on the old computer that might not work well with the new OS. At least until you can upgrade those.

Windows 7 dropped Outlook Express, in case you use that one.


14 posted on 09/20/2011 12:53:38 PM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: SeekAndFind
Y ou can get the "Alpha" bits for Windows 8 here (you have to sign in with LiveID, though). Officially it is known as the "Windows Developer Preview". Do try the 64-bit. 32-bit is not nearly as fast or clean.

Over the weekend, I installed it to various vitual machines, running on Hyper-V, VMware, and SunBox. The one that ran the best was on Hyper-V. Family, I guess!

I installed it directly to hardware yesterday, and it rocks! It boots up from a powered off machine to logon prompt in 12 seconds!!!!

The Metro interface sucks without a touch screen, though. You can use the mouse to scroll and select but it's not a smooth. I find it impossible to close or stop a Metro app unless I use task manager to kill the process. Anyone knows how to do so; PLEASE reply!

Tomorrow I'm going to try to boot to a VHD with Win 8. This is lots of fun!

15 posted on 09/20/2011 12:57:47 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: skr

I’ve been building my own computers since around 1994. I upgraded one from windows 95 to OS2 Warp, back to 95 and finally win2k. It was a good thing I didn’t install win2k until sp2 was released because sp2 fixed an incompatibility with my video card. My laziness paid off. I got it at the microsoft store so I didn’t buy it because I was in a hurry. Actually, I bought it because it was based on NT, but that is another story.

Since I lost my Microsoft connection, I don’t ever upgrade my OS any more. Each of my computers goes down with the brain with which it was originally given the breath of life.


16 posted on 09/20/2011 12:59:38 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf
That's because you literally cannot upgrade from XP to Win 7. You can only upgrade from Vista. You can however, migrate from XP to Win 7.

Of course, that means you have to transfer your user account and data (Windows Easy Transfer will do this) and then reinstall all your applications onto the Windows 7 machine. It's actually not as hard as it sounds, LOL!

Try NewEgg. They have OEM verisions for $100.

17 posted on 09/20/2011 1:04:24 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Alas Babylon!

“I find it impossible to close or stop a Metro app unless I use task manager to kill the process.”

I’ve noticed this too, but I think it’s a feature not a bug. I think Metro apps are just meant to sleep when they’re not in use, so you don’t close them.

Same with Windows 8, really. It’s not obvious how you shut it down (ctrl-alt-del!) but that’s probably because you don’t want to shut it down. Just snooze and resume.


18 posted on 09/20/2011 1:08:44 PM PDT by NRPM (We have to come to terms with the fact that governments have made promises they will not keep.)
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To: NRPM

I DID find the shutdown in the Settings app. It will power down. Hibernation actually does work. Both Vista and 7 had lots of problems with it when they first came out (the betas, on my equipment anyway).

8 in Alpha is a real smoothie so far....


19 posted on 09/20/2011 1:11:31 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: SeekAndFind

We are not in a post-PC world. We will be in a few years I suspect. But that is then. This is now.


20 posted on 09/20/2011 1:15:21 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf

If you are going to upgrade your 2000 to xp, only build the xp to SR2, then upgrade explorer to version 7 or greater. After that install sr3.

Otherwise explorer is unstable. It’s a bug doze refuses to fix.


21 posted on 09/20/2011 1:19:47 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: American in Israel

I assume you mean IE?

I have not used IE since about a year after Firefox came out. Well, I used it at work because it was the easiest way to get to the intranet SharePoint sites. And that was version 5 as of last month...


22 posted on 09/20/2011 1:21:52 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Alas Babylon!

Yeah. Migrate is what I mean. I always. ALWAYS do a clean install from scratch. I’ve also never owned a computer where I did not have the operating system and all other software discs. I’ve had to re-install windows and a few others. What the heck does someone do when they get a machine with no disc and the operating system gets corrupted?


23 posted on 09/20/2011 1:23:49 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf

Yeah, not that I always use it, but it is key to the Office Suite update feature.


24 posted on 09/20/2011 1:33:35 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: cuban leaf
What the heck does someone do when they get a machine with no disc and the operating system gets corrupted?

Take it to Best Buy and let the Geek Squad make it worse?

Seriously, I agree with you. I make my own computers, too.

25 posted on 09/20/2011 1:37:29 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Soothesayer9

It’s not his fault the stock market hasn’t been paying attention. MS is making money hand over fist and yet their share price won’t budge. He’s running the company well, even if he is a bit odd when out in public.


26 posted on 09/20/2011 1:38:55 PM PDT by discostu (yeah that's it)
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To: cuban leaf

Or borrow a college student and go to the college bookstore. Or find somebody who used to work there and has access to the MS store. MS list price is the sucker price, it’s always available cheaper legally with a little leg work.


27 posted on 09/20/2011 1:42:24 PM PDT by discostu (yeah that's it)
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To: cuban leaf

I got mine for 300. Office included + Win 7 business.

“He has one and says it is really not much more portable than his apple laptop and significantly inferior in ease of use.”

Funny that.


28 posted on 09/20/2011 1:59:12 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! “10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government")
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To: cuban leaf

You can make an image of your boot drive with this free software. Be sure to generate a stand-alone boot CD as well.

http://www.paragon-software.com/home/br-free/download.html


29 posted on 09/20/2011 2:17:33 PM PDT by Bobalu (More rubble, less trouble)
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To: Bobalu

—Be sure to generate a stand-alone boot CD as well.—

Well, where else would you put the image besides a thumb drive?


30 posted on 09/20/2011 2:24:20 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf

I put an image on the 2nd partition of the boot drive and also one on a USB HD. You can also put an image on DVDs. A thumb drive should be OK as well...just seems a waste of a large thumb drive to just hold a backup image.


31 posted on 09/20/2011 2:27:33 PM PDT by Bobalu (More rubble, less trouble)
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