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FRINGE - Official Season 4 Thread

Posted on 09/23/2011 10:51:16 AM PDT by Lucky9teen

Entering its fourth season on FOX, Fringe continues to reign as one of the most innovative, impressive and ingenious shows on television – and rightfully so. The character relationships, science stories and carefully woven mythology have made the show not just a hit among fans, but among critics as well.

In anticipation of the season premiere tonight, here is a compiled brief summary of what may be important for you to know – and remember – from last season.

THE MACHINE…AND PETER
 

We were always aware that due to Peter’s connection with the Doomsday device, there would be a consequence – but we never could have guessed how massive this consequence could be. After Walternate activated the machine in the parallel universe, Peter activated the prime universe’s own machine in order to try to stop it. He was sent 15 years into the future (which included a world run by Walternate and a stable a marriage with Olivia) and found that the universe was suffering from multiple wormholes, as a result of the prime and parallel universes being merged together.

Upon waking up again back in 2011, Peter eventually realized that the only way to truly destroy the machine was to merge the two universes by bringing the two machine rooms together, thus creating a bridge. After appearing to convince both universes that they need to work together to destroy the machine, Peter disappeared – having apparently never existed in the first place.

So, what is Peter’s “role” in the world’s master plan now that he doesn’t exist? Since cast and crew are keeping mum about his plot point, all we know is that Joshua Jackson is certainly returning to the show, which means we’ll hopefully get the answer to our question sooner rather than later.

THE WAR BETWEEN UNIVERSES
 

Over here or over there?

Undoubtedly the biggest aspect of Fringe’s second season was the ongoing war between the two universes – the prime and the parallel. We began the season with prime universe Olivia being trapped in the parallel world after a deceptive switch that left Bolivia to take on infiltrating the prime world Fringe division. Until Olivia managed to find a way to cross back over, Bolivia set the season in motion in many ways – including taking charge of a budding romance with Peter. This left prime world Olivia in a lurch when she finally returned, as she found that Peter had started a real romantic relationship – just not exactly with her.

With the two universes now merged, even just for a little while, we can bet on seeing a lot of parallel universe characters mixed in with their prime ones. The big question is, how will this affect our characters and their interactions?

PETER’S HISTORY – AND OLIVIA’S, TOO

 

At the end of the first season, we were left with the following cliffhanger: even though we had been seeing Peter all season…he was actually dead. In the second season, we came to find out that Walter’s real son, the Peter in the prime universe, had died when he was a child. When Walter discovered the parallel universe (and parallel versions of himself, his wife and Peter) he became obsessed with watching them, using this obsession to cure his own sadness that his son’s death had caused. The final straw was when Walter watched Walternate miss the correct cure for Peter’s illness. Along with his Massive Dynamic colleague William Bell, Walter devised a way to cross over into the parallel universe where he took Peter and brought him over to the prime universe to replace the Peter who had died. And although he had every intention of returning him once he was cured, Walter became unable to do so once he grew to love Peter as his own.

To build on that history, we discovered that both Peter and Olivia had met before – as children in Jacksonville, where Walter was using young kids to experiment with Cortexiphan. Olivia (as a child) had found a way to cross over into the parallel universe, and Walter tried to use it as a way to understand his own work. Peter and Olivia took the time to bond with each other as children, giving each other the same kind of support and advice they would later come to rely on in the future.

THE PERILS OF BOLIVIA
 

In the parallel universe, we learned that Bolivia was pregnant with a child – by Peter, whom she started a relationship with during her time in the prime universe. When Walternate discovered this, he kidnapped her and used a procedure to speed up her pregnancy. Ultimately, Bolivia escaped and delivered her child normally (with a little help from parallel universe Lincoln Lee, who had a soft spot for Bolivia all season.)

It was later revealed that Walternate (who figured out Bolivia’s child was a result of her and Peter’s relationship in the prime universe) was using Bolivia in order to get a blood sample of her new son – believing that if he had enough, he could activate the doomsday machine.

 

It’s been a long summer…but we’ve almost reached the end. Are you ready for season 4? Fringe returns on Friday, September 23 at 9/8c on FOX.


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1 posted on 09/23/2011 10:51:25 AM PDT by Lucky9teen
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To: Lucky9teen
My hubby and I have been watching the 3rd season dvds for the past week or so and just finished up last night with the final ep from last season.

Everything is now fresh in our minds and we are ready for Fringe!

2 posted on 09/23/2011 10:54:01 AM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: Lucky9teen

Yehaw!

Of course, I cannot watch it the next day on FOX.com any longer, but I will figure some way to see it.


3 posted on 09/23/2011 10:55:01 AM PDT by Ingtar (I closed my eyes, only for a moment, and the moment's gone...)
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SEASON 4, EPISODE 1 – AIRS: 9/23/2011
EPISODE TITLE: Neither Here Nor There

EPISODE SYNOPSIS: The teams on the two worlds work together to solve the case of a shapeshifter, and Agent Lincoln Lee joins his world's team when no one remembers the existence of Peter Bishop.
4 posted on 09/23/2011 10:57:32 AM PDT by Lucky9teen (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.~Thomas Jeffer)
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To: Lucky9teen

I love the fringe. It is probably my favorite sci fi show. Falling Skies would be next on the list or tied.


5 posted on 09/23/2011 11:01:04 AM PDT by Maelstorm (Better to keep your enemy in your sights than in your camp expecting him to guard your back.)
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To: Lucky9teen

Peter - never was. We have that on good authority from The Observers, who engineered the warping of the history of the parallel worlds, with the representatives of the two universes looking at each other with some trepidition and puzzlement, not remembering why they were even in the same room.

The possible postulate: that the parallel worlds already depicted were NOT the only two alternate universes, but a vast multitute of realities, and “our” Peter simply disappeared into one of these other dimensions.

Peter will be back, and The Observers shall be confounded yet one more time, as the transient Olivia/Bolivia proves to be an individual that exists in a number of different configurations, yet all interconnected at some existential level.

Curiouser and curiouser.


6 posted on 09/23/2011 11:05:14 AM PDT by alloysteel (Are Democrats truly "better angels"? They are lousy stewards for America.)
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To: Lucky9teen

This show intrigues me but I’ve never watched it.

So help me out, is the only way to get into it to get the DVDs and start with the first season, or could one jump right in?


7 posted on 09/23/2011 11:05:14 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: Lucky9teen


8 posted on 09/23/2011 11:09:25 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: bigbob
I know that the producers like to say that you can jump right in; but, honestly, you can't. Not at this point. I don't know if you have Netflix, but they have prior seasons available.

It is worth watching, and IMHO, the two-hour premiere (first episodes) was the best premiere of any t.v. show I have ever seen. It was spooky, eerie, scary, action-filled, interesting characters. It hooked me immediately.

9 posted on 09/23/2011 11:11:17 AM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: Lucky9teen

Wonder what the cross-talk is like in Fringe’s writers room?


10 posted on 09/23/2011 11:15:26 AM PDT by AU72
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To: bigbob; Ingtar
Well, Fringe is one of those shows you can't really just jump into 4th season in. You either have to read up on what's been going on thus far, or you can catch up with all the episodes online here
11 posted on 09/23/2011 11:19:05 AM PDT by Lucky9teen (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.~Thomas Jeffer)
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To: alloysteel

I wish Anna Torv lived in my universe just sayin


12 posted on 09/23/2011 11:27:57 AM PDT by al baby (Is that old windbag still on the air ?)
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To: Lucky9teen

Has anyone been watching “Dark Matters” on the science channel hosted by John Noble? It is awesome, and i love how “Walter Bishop”/”Walternate” hosts it, LOL!


13 posted on 09/23/2011 11:38:44 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Lucky9teen
Fringe lost me when they did the episode in which a hooker becomes pregnant minutes after her encounter with a client and gives birth an hour later. Six hours after that the baby becomes a fully grown man who dies of old age while roaming the hospital basement. To go from a newborn to a fully developed man require the infant to add mass - at least 100 pounds. Where did this mass come from? In the womb, the fetus can draw from the mom, but once out in the hospital it has to get the mass from something. Did they set it on a block of suet instead of a crib?

This is such a fundamental question, I was amazed that none of the "investigators" asked it right from the start. "Ummm...how does a baby put on a hundred pounds of meat in the cellar of a hospital?" These guys are supposed to be bright, aren't they?

The very idea was so utterly ludicrous and unscientific I tuned out and never came back.

14 posted on 09/23/2011 11:41:49 AM PDT by Mongeaux (''I would sooner be governed by the first 2,000 names in the Boston phone directory," W.F. Buckley)
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To: Mongeaux

This show does require one to suspend belief.

It does lay some interesting paranormal events...hence the title of the show, IMO.


15 posted on 09/23/2011 11:55:49 AM PDT by Lucky9teen (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.~Thomas Jeffer)
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To: bigbob

Like you, I was a late to the show. I chose to get the DVDs to catch up. IMHO it was well worth it. I would describe the show as a combination of The X Files and Lost. So if you liked those you’d like Fringe.


16 posted on 09/23/2011 11:56:45 AM PDT by Gothmog (I fight for Xev)
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To: Lucky9teen

Love the show, but I have to admit that keeping up with all its twists and turns is like being back in high school doing math homework every night.


17 posted on 09/23/2011 12:07:27 PM PDT by Argus
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To: Lucky9teen

I’ve been watching it religiously, though usually one day after on-line so I can take screenshots of the Observer. FOX’s new policy means I would have to wait for a week to watch the episodes.


18 posted on 09/23/2011 12:19:33 PM PDT by Ingtar (I closed my eyes, only for a moment, and the moment's gone...)
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To: Lucky9teen

Don’t you mean “Fauxlivia?”


19 posted on 09/23/2011 12:30:15 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: bigbob

I’ve watched it from the beginning and have never missed an episode. However, I have become lost in the storyline many times due to complicated plot development. I think one would be unable to understand what was going on without the previous seasons stories.


20 posted on 09/23/2011 12:37:40 PM PDT by csuzieque
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To: Argus
What does one expect, when JJ Abrams in onboard? ;)


21 posted on 09/23/2011 12:46:31 PM PDT by Lucky9teen (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.~Thomas Jeffer)
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To: Gothmog

One episode a couple of seasons ago made the connection between Fringe and X-Files by noting that the Fringe Division sprang from the X-Files.


22 posted on 09/23/2011 1:03:25 PM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Lucky9teen

Wow, very cool, thanks. I’ll be working my way through the past episodes for sure.


23 posted on 09/23/2011 1:33:13 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: RJS1950

Really, I must have missed the reference. Oh no! I’ll have to back and watch the entire series again, ha ha ha. Thanks for the tip


24 posted on 09/23/2011 8:29:36 PM PDT by Gothmog (I fight for Xev)
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To: al baby

No joke. She’s kind of, well - plain - and yet has an aura of smoldering hot charisma all at the same time. She can say more with a look than most women can with a whole script. One of the few women that rivet my attention whenever she’s on screen.


25 posted on 09/23/2011 11:04:05 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: Lucky9teen
Okay, I am having problems with the new direction that the show is taking.

If Peter "never existed", then why do we even know about the parallel universe? The destruction of the other side began when Walter stole Peter from the other side. If Peter never existed, then no degradation would be happening and there would be no "war" between the two universes.

What do you think?

26 posted on 09/24/2011 7:39:49 AM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: Free Vulcan
I agree very plain


27 posted on 09/24/2011 8:43:02 AM PDT by al baby (Is that old windbag still on the air ?)
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SEASON 4: EPISODE 2 – AIRS: 9/30/2011
EPISODE TITLE: One Night in October

EPISODE SYNOPSIS: Walternate and his team call upon their counterparts from This Side for help when a serial killer goes on a bloody rampage. However, when they recruit the killer's This Side counterpart, a professor of forensic psychology, the team is forced to consider whether they can put civilians at risk.
28 posted on 09/30/2011 12:54:06 PM PDT by Lucky9teen (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.~Thomas Jeffer)
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To: LibertarianLiz

[ If Peter “never existed”, then why do we even know about the parallel universe? The destruction of the other side began when Walter stole Peter from the other side. If Peter never existed, then no degradation would be happening and there would be no “war” between the two universes. ]

Peter existed as a child in both universes, he died from the illness in this universe, then when our walter stole the alternate one when they went through the machine the Observer didn’t rescue them from the water when they fell into the lake so Walternate still lost his son, only time he died from drowning in the lake. Walter somehow survived, maybe he was able to get out from the ice on his own.

If it wasn’t for the observer saving yound peter from the ice he wouldn’t exist as an adult in the timeline. Maybe the child peter was preserved, as evidenced by the altered timeline Walter working on somethign to revive that dead bird....


29 posted on 09/30/2011 1:05:20 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: LibertarianLiz

Mine bending stuff, grab another gin and tonic, enjoy the ride. This season is going to fantastic!


30 posted on 09/30/2011 1:07:32 PM PDT by svcw (Those who are easily shocked... should be shocked more often. - Mae West)
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To: Lucky9teen

Anna Torv is a frickin Goddess


31 posted on 09/30/2011 1:56:11 PM PDT by al baby (Is that old windbag still on the air ?)
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To: GraceG
I know what happened in the last three seasons. I am talking about the last thing the Observers said last season, which was: "They don't remember him." "How could they, he never existed."

So, that is where my questions come from. The first episode of this current season indicates that none of the characters do remember Peter, so; as the Observers said, "he never existed". And, if he never existed, then there are problems with the whole last three seasons; or, with the first episode of this season.

32 posted on 09/30/2011 2:18:07 PM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: LibertarianLiz

Unless Bob and Emily Wake up and Bob says I just had the strangest dream


33 posted on 09/30/2011 2:20:52 PM PDT by al baby (Is that old windbag still on the air ?)
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To: al baby

LOL! I said the same thing to my husband last week.


34 posted on 09/30/2011 2:29:31 PM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: LibertarianLiz

I think the Observers’ messing in the timeline goes back to when October saved altPeter on this side. That would mean that Walter had already taken altWalter’s son. That seems to be the way that memories are playing out. None of them remembers an adult Peter... yet.


35 posted on 09/30/2011 3:38:08 PM PDT by Ingtar (I closed my eyes, only for a moment, and the moment's gone...)
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To: Lucky9teen
Fringe Trivia:

Michael Cerveris plays "September", one of the bald-headed Observers, and appears once in every episode.


36 posted on 10/01/2011 9:14:16 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Lucky9teen

In case you are around — we need the October 7, 2011 PING!!


37 posted on 10/07/2011 4:26:49 PM PDT by zzeeman ("We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality.")
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I almost forgot...thanx


38 posted on 10/07/2011 4:46:24 PM PDT by Lucky9teen (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.~Thomas Jeffer)
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SEASON 4: EPISODE 3 – AIRS: 10/07/2011
EPISODE TITLE: ALONE IN THE WORLD

EPISODE SYNOPSIS: As Walter tries to deal with his hallucinations, the Fringe team takes on a case of two 12-year-olds who died under mysterious circumstances after bullying another boy... and their bodies decompose at a remarkable rate of speed.
39 posted on 10/07/2011 4:50:09 PM PDT by Lucky9teen (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.~Thomas Jeffer)
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To: Lucky9teen

Pingaling! ;)


40 posted on 10/07/2011 4:57:24 PM PDT by Lucky9teen (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.~Thomas Jeffer)
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To: Mycroft Holmes

LOL...I’m such a dork. I went to ping you and forgot to paste your name in the TO: field...and ended up pinging myself. Errr... ;-P


41 posted on 10/07/2011 4:58:13 PM PDT by Lucky9teen (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.~Thomas Jeffer)
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To: Lucky9teen

watched for first time tonight.

please add me to ping list?


42 posted on 10/07/2011 7:18:09 PM PDT by DollyCali (Don't tell God how big your storm is... tell your storm how BIG your God is!)
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To: Lucky9teen
Thanks, I've inflicted Fringe on my father and found this thread very helpful in bringing him up to speed. I am still trying to figure out how I missed till right this very moment that The Observers were named after the months.

As a general rule I loath time travel stories, too much deus ex machina for my taste; but Fringe still has me hooked. The only other thing currently on that comes close is Haven. Thanks for doing the list.

43 posted on 10/08/2011 12:56:17 AM PDT by Mycroft Holmes (Returned for regrooving...)
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To: LibertarianLiz; GraceG; al baby; Ingtar; Lucky9teen
WARNING: Possible Spoiler alert. For those who are not “current” with the show.

“They don't remember him.” “How could they, he never existed.”

That was a big problem for me too, LibertarianLiz. Then in the first scene of the first episode of this season, two observers (October and December) meet in a diner. Here’s the transcript from: http://www.fringepedia.net

THE OBSERVER: (somberly) I received your message.

DECEMBER: Then you know we have a problem.

THE OBSERVER: (emphatic) It is impossible. The timeline has been rewritten. He was erased. And yet traces of him continue to bleed through.

DECEMBER: It is, as it has always been, our responsibility to insure events play out, as they were intended, before your intervention. This started with you. It must be you who ends it. (hands over a small metallic bar)

DECEMBER: They can never know the boy lived to be a man.

THE OBSERVER: I will take care of it.


Then at the end of the first episode we see the observer decide against using the machine he built. Which I guess would have more permanently corrected Peter's “bleed through” into this universe.

That tells me the writers made a little “boo-boo” on the close of last season. October (The Observer) should not have said “he never existed” but more like - he never existed past childhood. Walter confirms this in the 3rd episode - last night.

http://www.fringepedia.net is awesome BTW. Helps me with this amazing program.

At least this is how I understand it in the universe I'm in currently.

44 posted on 10/08/2011 11:58:33 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available 4 FREE at CpForLife.org)
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I agree with you that the writers made a mistake. But, even if they meant that he didn't survive past childhood (which is not what they said, they said he never existed), then how is there a Henry and with no Henry then there is no DNA to help Walternate start up his side's machine.

As I said with my previous posts, you can just keep going on and on about how this negates WAY too much of the past storyline.

However, it also makes abudantly clear that Peter is the lynch pin of the entire tale.

45 posted on 10/08/2011 1:06:39 PM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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SEASON 4: EPISODE 4 – AIRS: 10/14/2011
EPISODE TITLE: SUBJECT 9

EPISODE SYNOPSIS:Walter is forced to leave the lab for the first time in years when he and Olivia go to Massive Dynamic to examine files that may connect one of Walter's Cortexiphan test subjects to a new series of crimes
46 posted on 10/14/2011 4:35:47 PM PDT by Lucky9teen (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.~Thomas Jeffer)
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To: DollyCali

PING


47 posted on 10/14/2011 4:42:58 PM PDT by Lucky9teen (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.~Thomas Jeffer)
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To: LibertarianLiz

Peter never existed as an adult. Last week, Walter said that he stole the alternate Peter but when they re-entered the real world, they fell through the ice and Peter drowned. So, in the current reality, Peter has died in childhood, rather than being rescued by the man in the big black hat.


48 posted on 10/14/2011 7:22:13 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: Lucky9teen

49 posted on 10/16/2011 12:08:35 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Zuben Elgenubi; All

For those who come to the thread for tonights episode...Fringe is not new tonight, so....

Catch an encore of the Season 4 Premiere episode, “Neither Here Nor There”, TONIGHT at 9/8c! - http://bit.ly/mVLIx7

It’ll be back next week with a new episode though, so I’ll ping ya’ll then. ;)


50 posted on 10/21/2011 1:38:47 PM PDT by Lucky9teen (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.~Thomas Jeffer)
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