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Lost city found in Turkey: It is older than Troy
National Turk ^ | Monday, September 26, 2011 | unattributed

Posted on 09/27/2011 6:16:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

A group of scientists and archeologists from Canakkale (Dardanelles) University have found traces of a lost city, older than famed Troy, now buried under the waters of Dardanelles strait.

Led by associate professor Rustem Aslan, the archeology team made a surface survey in the vicinity of Erenkoy, Canakkale on the shore. The team has found ceramics and pottery, what led them to ponder a mound could be nearby. A research on the found pottery showed that the items belonged to an 7000 years old ancient city. The team has intensified the research and discovered first signs of the lost city under the waters of Dardanalles Strait.

The lost city lies in the sea floor in the Aegean entrance of the strait on the shores of Europen side. The professor told "the pottery indicates the city is from around 5000 BC. We believe the civilizations on the shores of Dardanelles and Bosphorus straits had been buried under water. This latest mound discovered is also 90% under water and gives significant hints on the sea levels then."

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TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: anatolia; blacksea; blackseaflood; godsgravesglyphs; grandcanyon; greatflood; noah; noahsflood; trojanwar; turkey


Lost city found in Turkey: It is older than Troy

1 posted on 09/27/2011 6:16:13 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; 31R1O; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


2 posted on 09/27/2011 6:16:50 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

That’s like only yesterday compared to Gobekli Tepe!


3 posted on 09/27/2011 6:20:29 PM PDT by djf (Soon you will need a prescription for EVERY SINGLE VITAMIN.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Poor Helen. Back in those days, she was quite a Looker.

4 posted on 09/27/2011 6:21:03 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: SunkenCiv
In other words, sea level rise has been going on for thousands of years and is not a new postindustrial phenomenon.
5 posted on 09/27/2011 6:21:32 PM PDT by americanophile ("this absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, is a rotting corpse which poisons our lives" - Ataturk)
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To: americanophile

The sea level has risen about 300 feet since the last ice age ended. The really ancient civilizations are on the continental shelves which ring the continents. Look there my friend and you will be amazed. I would look at the old river mouths for starters.


6 posted on 09/27/2011 6:33:46 PM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends)
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To: SunkenCiv

More proof of the Genesis flood.


7 posted on 09/27/2011 6:36:40 PM PDT by tractorman (I never miss a chance to tweak a liberal.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Meanwhile my Helen is "BY THE SEA BYE THE SEA.."


8 posted on 09/27/2011 6:40:00 PM PDT by Young Werther (Julius Caesar said "Quae cum ita sunt. Since these things are so.".)
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To: SunkenCiv
7000 years old ancient city

Faked, like the moon landing. God's earth will celebrate its 6,245th birthday come October.

9 posted on 09/27/2011 6:41:12 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Well I looked on Wikimapia and I didn’t see a damn thing but the Canakkale strait. Erenkoy strait and Bosphorus strait wasn’t anywhere around. Can’t they keep these maps up to date. Sheesh!


10 posted on 09/27/2011 6:53:15 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (Rabid democRATS and 0bama the dictator own it all now.)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

Erenkoy strait and Bosphorus strait wasn’t anywhere around.

Should read:
Bosphorus strait and Erenkoy and wasn’t anywhere around.


11 posted on 09/27/2011 6:54:28 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (Rabid democRATS and 0bama the dictator own it all now.)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

Aah forget it.


12 posted on 09/27/2011 6:55:35 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (Rabid democRATS and 0bama the dictator own it all now.)
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To: SunkenCiv
"...and gives significant hints on the sea levels then."

Uh, professor, we already know what sea levels were then with a fair degree of accuracy. Sea levels have been rising for the last 11,000 years at a fairly constant rate and have totaled about 800 feet over that time period.

13 posted on 09/27/2011 6:56:44 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
You’d look that way too by the time you had “launched” a thousand “ships”.
14 posted on 09/27/2011 7:10:51 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: TigersEye
That'd be "average sea level". More recently they've found that gravitational anomalies create mountains and valleys out there in the Ocean that we have been overlooking in our computations of the effect on shorelines.

I've been trying to think through what these things are like and what they are doing ~ first off they'd be detectible only from space, and at the same time they could cause some sea levels on some shores to drop.

They probably explain the biological anomaly discovered in Alaska a couple of decades back. The guy found the terminal forests were at a lower elevation than the immediate post Ice Age bogs along the rain forest area South of Juneau. The theory had been that the bogs came first, then the trees, but there the trees came first then the bogs.

The only way to explain it was for the sea level in that region to be dropping while it was rising further up the coast North of Juneau. However, there were no geological signs of subsidance.

The guys who have the job of understanding this currently put little store in sea level data having much relevance to anything ~ particularly no the predictions of cities being flooded suddenly while their citizens stand there dumbfounded and drown.

15 posted on 09/27/2011 7:22:54 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: SunkenCiv

A very smart man in the crowd took one look at that and said, “That looks like a Trojan horse to me.” Nobody knew what the hell he was talking about, and the rest is history.


16 posted on 09/27/2011 7:28:47 PM PDT by Avery Iota Kracker (He hate me)
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To: Revolting cat!
“Faked, like the moon landing. God's earth will celebrate its 6,245th birthday come October.”

LOL........".concern yourself NOT with endless genealogies"

17 posted on 09/27/2011 7:30:02 PM PDT by stockpirate ("A people get the leaders they deserve......")
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To: ClearCase_guy

Look, just because her senior class picture can be found painted on a cave wall in France...


18 posted on 09/27/2011 7:38:26 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

The Canakkale Strait is another name for the Dardanelles.


19 posted on 09/27/2011 7:44:58 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: TigersEye; americanophile; Citizen Tom Paine; muawiyah; Revolting cat!; stockpirate; tractorman

I wondered if this was really just attributable to erosion -- 5000 BC? Hmm...

Noahs Flood: The New Scientific Discoveries About The Event That Changed History Noah's Flood:
The New Scientific Discoveries
About The Event
That Changed History

by William Ryan
Walter Pitman

hardcover


20 posted on 09/27/2011 7:45:01 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: muawiyah

Your first line. Yes. That’s why if the earth ever gets something that tilts its axis rather violently all that momentum is going to cause catastrophic flooding.


21 posted on 09/27/2011 8:03:39 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Obviously the city of Turducken.

Lost cuz it was hidden in a duck.....


22 posted on 09/27/2011 8:29:02 PM PDT by G Larry (I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his character)
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To: Revolting cat!
Faked, like the moon landing. God's earth will celebrate its 6,245th birthday come October.

In the seventeenth century Archbishop James Ussher of the Church of Ireland calculated that the earth was created on October 23 4004 BC at 9 AM--and we must assume that it was Pacific Daylight Time. In 1972, my geology class at Occidental College met at 9 AM on October 23, so the Geology Department held a surprise party in the classroom to celebrate Earth's birthday. Our professor, the noted glaciologist Joe Birman, apparently was taken by surprise, but he gave an impromptu speech celebrating the occasion. The event made the evening news on the local television stations.

23 posted on 09/27/2011 8:50:31 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: ClearCase_guy
The face that sunk a thousand ships.

Cheers!

24 posted on 09/27/2011 9:24:20 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Revolting cat!

So what are your thoughts on Copernicus and Galileo?


25 posted on 09/27/2011 9:47:34 PM PDT by reardensteel
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To: reardensteel
So what are your thoughts on Copernicus and Galileo

They are both dead........still

26 posted on 09/27/2011 9:49:11 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: reardensteel
So what are your thoughts on Copernicus and Galileo?

Were those two males married?

27 posted on 09/27/2011 10:19:38 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Revolting cat!

(I mean “weren’t”, and I meant to each other?)


28 posted on 09/27/2011 10:21:10 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: G Larry

:’) So that’s what was the mallard.


29 posted on 09/27/2011 10:22:19 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: goat granny

Not only dead, but they might have been wrong! Read this morning’s WSJ on how Saint Albert Einstein might have been after all dead wrong in his relativity!


30 posted on 09/27/2011 10:24:40 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks. I saw that. Interesting places, this world.

Too bad we can’t all get along and enjoy all of it.


31 posted on 09/28/2011 6:32:15 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (Rabid democRATS and 0bama the dictator own it all now.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Very interesting. According to Ryan and Pitman, the
Bosphorus straight broke thru to the Euxine lake about 5500 BC as you well know. The preliminary dating of this new site is 5,000 BC. If I remember correctly, about this time the ocean level were about 1 meter higher than now. So this site should be underwater during the time it was flourishing. This means there has been major subsidence in the area or the sea level was fluctuating widely in small geographic areas.

Great Post as usual Sunkenciv.

32 posted on 09/28/2011 11:10:36 AM PDT by fatez ("If you're going through Hell, keep going." Winston Churchill)
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To: Revolting cat!
God's earth will celebrate its 6,245th birthday come October.

I will be celebrating my 7th anniversary of quitting nicotiana tabacum on October 4th. What a coincidence!

33 posted on 09/28/2011 11:48:22 AM PDT by Sawdring
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To: fatez; SunkenCiv
More details would sure be welcome, because the first question that occurs is what was the relationship between this town and the Bosporus dam? Is it underwater because of the dam breaking or for a different reason?

Very interesting find.

34 posted on 09/28/2011 11:51:30 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Citizen Tom Paine
Look there my friend and you will be amazed.

You speak as if you have secret knowledge.

35 posted on 09/28/2011 11:53:15 AM PDT by Sawdring
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To: muawiyah; blam; SunkenCiv; All

There is evidence of very thick salt deposits on the bottom of the Mediterranean Sea. When the Ice Age ended the water was probably much evaporated, and only when the ocean level was as high as the bottom of the Straits of Gibralter did it start to refill. There may have been times as the level became higher and the bottom more eroded that the ocean rushed it with a great flood.


36 posted on 09/29/2011 12:09:01 AM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin
I think they went through that and placed the Mediterranean flood at about 7 million years ago. The Black Sea flood occurs every time there's a serious interglacial that brings the ocean level back up to about what it was anywhere from 8,000 to 5,000 years ago.

The problem for human beans in this cycle is that there weren't any 7 myr ago, and 8 tyr ago no one seems to have had writing.

37 posted on 09/29/2011 1:47:55 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: gleeaikin; blam

The Med dried up a number of times — most recently about 5 million years ago. It was filled approximately as we see it today when the Black Sea got connected to the rest of the seas, approximately 7500 years ago.


38 posted on 09/29/2011 4:04:01 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Citizen Tom Paine; Sawdring

I quite agree CTP. That’s where all the action has been for most of the last 2 million years or so, during the come-and-go ice ages.


39 posted on 09/29/2011 4:08:13 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: fatez

Thanks fatez.


40 posted on 09/29/2011 4:08:28 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv; gleeaikin
"The Med dried up a number of times — most recently about 5 million years ago."

At least 40 times. There are deep scouring marks on the inside bottom at Gibralter.
I suspect that the Mediterranean was somewhat lower (and stable) at a point prior to the end of the Ice Age.

When the 'break-through' ocurred at Gibralter and the Med began filling swamping the many islands...there would have been refugees everywhere...coastal towns would have been flooded also. It would be enough to make a person believe that the whole world was flooding and rush to build a big boat way up on one of the Ararat mountains.

When the break-though ocurred at the Bosphorus, it just confirmed that the end was near.

BTW, I also suspect that the mummies from the Tarim Basin may have been refugees from all this flooding...they were pushed way out to the margins of liveable areas.
These refugees probably spread farming and the Indo-European languages across greater Europe too.

41 posted on 09/29/2011 7:41:04 AM PDT by blam
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