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Improve-Education.org ^ | June 1, 2010 | Bruce Deitrick Price

Posted on 09/28/2011 3:17:23 PM PDT by BruceDeitrickPrice

A special education teacher wrote to me about the abuse of Ritalin. The teacher said: “My students are on Ritalin. This is a brain shrinking, top tier heavily psychotropic drug, as you know. The authorities KNOW this is their weapon for the most intelligent boys... ”

The teacher believes this is a high-level NWO plot, which is not a road I like to go down. But the teacher got me thinking...

Here are the two parts I’m personally sure of:

1) The Education Establishment in this country, for 75 years, has used bogus methods (i.e., Whole Word) to teach reading. For many millions of children, the result is illiteracy and a COLLAPSE of each child’s confidence, with a concomitant increase in anxiety and misbehavior.

2) A separate set of experts (these are in the psychiatric community) diagnose millions of young children as having something called ADHD. The common treatment for this hyperactivity is Ritalin. Interestingly, according to a government site, “This pattern of behavior usually becomes evident in the preschool or early elementary years, and the median age of onset of ADHD symptoms is 7 years,” which just happens to be the age when children, taught with Whole Word, wake up to the fact that they are falling behind their friends and seem in some way to be damaged.

I would like to think that these two groups of experts are separate and sincere. The thought that the two groups are actually working together is almost too horrible to think about.

Here is my question: does anyone have solid evidence or personal anecdotes that can help illuminate this issue?

(Final thought: Inability to read will usually destroy a child’s sense that he is smart and in control. At the very least, shouldn’t all those highly-paid medical professionals assess the reading abilities of their patients, and then DEMAND that the education experts do more to make sure these children can actually read by the second grade? Even if these groups are separate and well-intentioned, it seems to me you still have a serious dereliction of duty if doctors are prescribing powerful drugs to children without understanding the actual cause of their anxiety and misbehavior.)

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(For more on why Whole Word causes illiteracy, see “42: Reading Resources” on Improve-Education.org.)

http://www.improve-education.org/id65.html

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TOPICS: Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: illiteracy; malpractice; psychiatry; psychology; reading; ritalin
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1 posted on 09/28/2011 3:17:32 PM PDT by BruceDeitrickPrice
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

mark


2 posted on 09/28/2011 3:25:44 PM PDT by nkycincinnatikid
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

Your source page has no mention of ritalin. What exactly are you trying to say/post?


3 posted on 09/28/2011 3:35:06 PM PDT by iowamark (Rick Perry says I'm heartless.)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

I had to look it up, because I don’t have kids. “Whole Word” sounds like a horrible approach to me. Seems to me, and I am just going by my gut so perhaps I am no help at all to the question asked, but seems to me that teaching people phonics is the better approach. Whole Word will come once people know their phonics.

I have said for a long time, again this is just anecdotal from what I have observed, that if people don’t learn the stuff they are supposed to teach in Kindergarden and 1st grade at an early age, then those people will have a hard time learning how to learn. When kids are young, they learn how things associate. They learn letters and phonics. They learn colors - primary, secondary, tertiary. They learn simple math. If you don’t learn that stuff early on, you can’t learn more complex issues. You don’t learn how to make associations, you don’t learn how to learn. But perhaps I am off track for what this thread is about. Don’t mean to derail it.


4 posted on 09/28/2011 3:35:45 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: iowamark

I think he is trying to get some anecdotal evidence that might show a relationship between illiteracy and Ritalin use. I think he is trying to generate a hypothesis that kids trained in the “whole word” school of teaching might have higher rates of ritalin use vs kids taught reading through phonics, because (according to the hypothesis) whole word is a failed approach to teaching literacy resulting in more anxious kids (kids who can’t read will be easily distracted in situations where reading or attention to detail is critical).


5 posted on 09/28/2011 3:41:04 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

“This is a brain shrinking, top tier heavily psychotropic drug,”

BS


6 posted on 09/28/2011 3:44:51 PM PDT by zek157
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice
This is sad. I am pretty sure there is over prescription of it; but there are many people that probably need it. I plan on going to see a psychiatrist soon and may be put on something similar. Call it whatever you want, but I can look you in the eyes, and half of what I hear is Charlie Brown's teacher “wah-wah-wah..” The TV won't turn off, I'm absent minded as Hell, and I get a sense of dread and sick in the stomach over normal things.
7 posted on 09/28/2011 3:48:55 PM PDT by nerdwithagun (I'd rather go gun to gun then knife to knife.)
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To: iowamark

My source page explains the reading side of the equation; it explains why children are anxious, which then sets up—as we see— the overuse of ritalin, That is the other side of the equation and well known to the public.

The post is exploring the human or intellectual connection between reading and ritalin.


8 posted on 09/28/2011 3:49:45 PM PDT by BruceDeitrickPrice (education reform)
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To: nerdwithagun
I plan on going to see a psychiatrist soon and may be put on something similar. Call it whatever you want, but I can look you in the eyes, and half of what I hear is Charlie Brown's teacher “wah-wah-wah..” The TV won't turn off, I'm absent minded as Hell, and I get a sense of dread and sick in the stomach over normal things.

I started taking a form of it about a year and a half ago. It has changed my life for the better in so many ways; I can't tell you what a blessing it's been for me! It's amazing, and I thank God for it. I hope you have the same positive experience. Good luck.

9 posted on 09/28/2011 3:57:09 PM PDT by ottbmare (off-the-track Thoroughbred mare)
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To: nerdwithagun
The TV won't turn off ...

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10 posted on 09/28/2011 4:00:37 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Skip the election and let Thomas Sowell choose the next President.)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice
In my 30 year career as owner of and doctor in a health clinic I have known several thousand families. My anecdotal observations:

— I have **never** met a homeschooler with ADD or ADHD who has been homeschooled exclusively. This is true only if they never attended government school.

— I have** never**met an obese homeschooled child, if that child was homeschooled from the beginning. Again, this was my observation if they had never attended government school. In fact, I can't even recall having a cubby one.

— Academically successful homeschoolers and successful institutionalized children spend the **same** amount of time in formal study at the kitchen table or their desk. I conclude then that the real learning is happening in the home due to the home life of the family, the efforts of the parents and/or child ( himself), and friends or family of the child.

Conclusion: The only thing government school does is waste the child's life, promote ADD and ADHD, increase the likelihood that a child will be illiterate and innumerate, and make kids fat.

11 posted on 09/28/2011 4:07:13 PM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice
One more thing:

You consistently ignore the following:

— Government schools teach children to think and reason godlessly. The children **must** think godlessly just to cooperate with the godlessly secular humanist curriculum and instruction. This is a gross First Amendment and freedom of conscience abomination not only for the child but the citizens who pay for it.

— Godless government schools violate every First Amendment Right. They treat children who have committed no crime like prisoners, and the danger is that children will grow into adulthood being compliant prisoners of the voting mob and government.

12 posted on 09/28/2011 4:12:23 PM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice
When the Mental Health experts finally take enough time too do some studies the Ritalin usage may drop like a rock. Is there something wrong? Sure. The thing of it is there are a group of very similar disorders {can be proven by auditory/visual processing testing} of which Ritalin can make worse.

I have basic need to know reading skills. Books? I don't have the necessary attention span to read one usually. I never have been able to read many books cover too cover. Maybe a dozen in my adult life. I was a Special Education student myself back in 1970-72. Since that time I have acquired a pretty good understanding of my disorders which back then were thought to be ADD ADHD I was thought to have back in 1965 in second grade.

The behavioral issues it looks like are starting about the time kids get video games for Christmas, birthdays, etc. There is nothing wrong with the games itself to most kids. However to kids who have sensory processing damage in the auditory or visual processing and interpretation part of the Optic/Vestibular portion of the brain these games and many other things can in fact trigger common ADD ADHD type symptoms. Simpy put it is over taxing their sensory processing system and the ADD ADHD symptoms are the result of that. They likely do not have ADD ADHD.

BTW generally no pills will help this as such. It take classroom and home environment modifications and a lot of patience and understanding on the part of parents and teachers. I don't mean letting them get away with bad behavior I mean a modified communication environment. It can be caused by birth defect, early in childhood chronic ear infections, chronic sinus allergies, etc. In some cases it carries on into adult life and the progression worsens. It can be serious enough to at some point become disabling.

I do not buy into the ADD ADHD epidemic. But I do see a clear link in the increased symptoms in a large percentage of kids as related to technology advances of the past 30-50 years.

A little bit of basic detective work can help determine if Central Auditory Processing Disorders or C.A.P.D. is the actual cause and not ADD ADHD. An Audiologist or Speech Pathologist trained in CAPD testing is where I would start right after getting an extensive medical history of a kids childhood ailments. A Shrink would be my last resort.

13 posted on 09/28/2011 4:15:34 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: wintertime
In fact, I can't even recall having a chubby one.

If you look at my profile, you'll see one. When you've got a child who likes to read, draw, and eat, and doesn't like to exercise, you'll get a child who's overweight. And you can't eliminate food from the house when there are nine others who need to eat.

14 posted on 09/28/2011 4:17:59 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Skip the election and let Thomas Sowell choose the next President.)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

I do not understand any of this.

I don’t have kids but I do remember my days learning to read and I do remember other kids in the class learning to read. And I remember my little sister learning to read.

Reading came easily to me and I liked it. I would read everything I could. I read every sign I saw, every billboard I saw, every word that came up on the television. I really don’t think I needed a teacher to teach me how to read. Once the alphabet was learned, I was reading beginner books that my parents had in the house. There were easily 50 beginners books in my house to read. Maybe more.

I really believe the only thing a child needs to learn to read is lots of things that are easy to read and at least one parent that will spend time helping the child when he/she misses a word now and then. That’s all I needed.

My sister on the otherhand learned a little slower than I did. She didn’t like to read for some reason. It was boring to her...at first. But once it started to click, she was reading every sign she could see and every billboard also and you couldn’t stop her from reading.

So this whole notion of “whole word” and ADHD is a bunch of nonsense to me. Just buy the kid some damn books. That’s all it really takes.


15 posted on 09/28/2011 4:18:14 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Tax-chick
Oh sorry. A better term might be the TV won't stay on a single station. Thoughts keep changing from one to another, it like the TV in my head won't stay to one station.
16 posted on 09/28/2011 4:21:02 PM PDT by nerdwithagun (I'd rather go gun to gun then knife to knife.)
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To: nerdwithagun

Have your thyroid checked.


17 posted on 09/28/2011 4:24:52 PM PDT by FrogMom (There is no such thing as an honest democrat!)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

I think you may be onto something, but I have no evidence. My kids went to school that used a version of Whole Word - what a disaster. I taught them to read at home using phonics. In the first grade class, the children listened to books on tape repeatedly, until they were memorized. Then they “read” the book back to the teacher, and they thought they were reading! Then they couldn’t understand why they couldn’t read other books. I can see how they would get frustrated and not be able to sit still.


18 posted on 09/28/2011 4:25:04 PM PDT by Montanabound
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To: ottbmare

Thank you for the kind words and encouragement. I was scared I was going to get flamed to ‘man-up’. I’ve been doing that these last few years when I was sure I had it, I need help


19 posted on 09/28/2011 4:31:43 PM PDT by nerdwithagun (I'd rather go gun to gun then knife to knife.)
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To: wintertime
I don't discount what you are saying Doc but I also think there is a real medical cause in a lot of kids that are not getting caught. Vestibular Damage can be hard to detect especially in younger kids.

I can tell you some things too look for though. Look for a kid with below average coordination. Check the ears and eyes as well. Check for working vision in both eyes at the same time. I passed two armed forces entrance exams and I'm single eye functional. Look at their shoes. How are they wearing? Are they broke over the sides? That can point to walking off balance.

Try verbal commands and retention while doing dual tasking. Have a radio playing or some other distraction and see if they become agiated while trying to task or communicate. The kid you have too tell too take out the trash three times and the third time acts like they just understood you likely did just understand you. Look for Dyslexic signs as well as skipping words, sentences, even paragraphs while reading out loud.

For the above any kid with chronic ear infections, allergies, sinus troubles, etc I would watch closely for this to become a possibility. Or for that matter this applies to adults as well.

If a doctor doesn't catch it and a Shrink starts writing meds like Ritalin or SSRI's etc very bad things can happen. I'm not a doctor. I'm a patient who as an adult diagnosed with General Anxiety Disorder had to gather enough information about my disorders so Shrinks didn't kill me. LOL. It all pointed back to the clues I listed above :>}

20 posted on 09/28/2011 4:34:11 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe
Cognitive Aspects of Vestibular Disorders So is it ADD ADHD or something more like this?
21 posted on 09/28/2011 4:41:07 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice
...has used bogus methods (i.e., Whole Word) to teach reading.
BS! The first word I read was from a sign in a commercial!

I can still remember the elation I felt that day when I made the connection and realized that I could, and actually was, reading.
I learned that word and many other from listening and watching television. Commercials were my first reader. I didn't have any idea who "Spot" was or that he could run much less who "Dick and Jane" were.
Christ on a cross you even recognize TV as a source of educational material, though in a dissimilar manner. Television Teaches What Public Schools Used To

Whole word reading does work. I taught both of my kids that way and they were well above all of their classmates from day one. The problem with whole word reading is that teachers either do it wrong or they don't have enough time as it is a very time consuming process and advances vary from child to child. It isn't one size fits all.

And as far as the amphetamine or methylphenidate stimulant drugs being used on children...somebody lost their damn mind!

Having said that, much of your "2)" is so absurd I'm not even going to bother replying. You'll probably take it the wrong way and you'll be just one more "hurt" member. However, if you really want me to chime in I will.

BTW, my "whole word" daughter wound up being her class valedictorian. My son did well too, though not as well as her.

22 posted on 09/28/2011 4:51:00 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: monkeyshine
“Whole Word” sounds like a horrible approach to me.
Let's give you a test and test your assumption...
If I say "bird" what first jumps into your mind?
23 posted on 09/28/2011 4:54:05 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: nerdwithagun

Thanks for explaining that. It didn’t make sense in the original phrase.


24 posted on 09/28/2011 5:02:16 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Skip the election and let Thomas Sowell choose the next President.)
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To: philman_36

Garbage.

Whole word does not work.

I have to tutor kids who get tossed away from the system, and the best part of my day is when they realise they are not stupid.

I teach phonics. I show them how words and sounds are connected with one another, something you think would be taught in elementary, but it is not taught. Then the kid struggles and thinks that he’s stupid and takes that chip on his shoulder through life.

Then the kid flunks out and gets sent to me.


25 posted on 09/28/2011 5:02:16 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: philman_36

A flapper


26 posted on 09/28/2011 5:05:29 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: BenKenobi

I’m teaching 6th grade Sunday School this year, and I learned this week that I’m not going to be able to just go around the room and have the students take turns reading a paragraph, because two out of the six I called on last time couldn’t read. (And this class doesn’t have any immigrant students.) I’ll have to ask for volunteers every time.

I expected this when I taught first grade, but not 6th.


27 posted on 09/28/2011 5:05:48 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Skip the election and let Thomas Sowell choose the next President.)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

The first 15 pages or so of Chapter 4 of The Harsh Truth About Public Schools will ground you in the Ritalin/psychotropic drugs debate. The notes will point you toward sources that you can contact to ask about reading in particular.


28 posted on 09/28/2011 5:06:25 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: philman_36

“If I say “bird” what first jumps into your mind?”

Bird? Whut’z thaht? U meen berrd?

I no what ay berrd iz, it hahz wingz ahnd fliz!


29 posted on 09/28/2011 5:07:34 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: BenKenobi
Whole word does not work.
Perhaps you should modify your statement. Maybe...Whole word does not work for my kids.
It does work, no matter what you say as my kids are living proof that it does. The problem is that it doesn't work well in institutional settings.
I taught my kids to read, not the public schools.
30 posted on 09/28/2011 5:10:28 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Tax-chick

“I’m teaching 6th grade Sunday School this year, and I learned this week that I’m not going to be able to just go around the room and have the students take turns reading a paragraph, because two out of the six I called on last time couldn’t read.”

So do the kids a favor and teach reading and help them learn how to read properly. The kids will thank you afterwards. *sigh*.

Good luck with it. I get college level students who struggle with reading and then wonder why they are failing all their classes. Bright students, but you have to spend time teaching greek and latin so that the kids can understand scientific terminology. Me, I was an autodidact and picked up on most of it myself, but nobody teaches suffixes and affixes today. Back in the day they taught them in grade 4!


31 posted on 09/28/2011 5:10:53 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: philman_36

To clarify, you asked me what popped into my mind first when you said bird and I thought of a 1920’s flapper (woman) and yes I am aware of the coincidence that birds flap but that’s just how my mind works, clever and smart-aleky like that :-)


32 posted on 09/28/2011 5:11:12 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: philman_36

“It does work, no matter what you say as my kids are living proof that it does. The problem is that it doesn’t work well in institutional settings.”

Fine. Explain to me how you teach that the sound, “berrd” is the same as the written word ‘bird’ using whole word.


33 posted on 09/28/2011 5:12:37 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: monkeyshine
A flapper
Well, I'm not a big bird person so I have no idea what a flapper is.
If you had said cardinal, bluejay or even sparrow I would know those birds.
Can you post a picture of a "flapper".
34 posted on 09/28/2011 5:13:03 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: zek157

You are misinformed about Ritalin. There is evidence of brain shrinkage and other worrying neurological problems. Moreover, how it affects the developing brains of children is largely unknown. I suspect from your eloquent post that you are allowing one or more of your children to be drugged or were drugged yourself.


35 posted on 09/28/2011 5:13:35 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: BenKenobi
Whut’z thaht? U meen berrd?
I no what ay berrd iz, it hahz wingz ahnd fliz!

Hooked on Phonics!

36 posted on 09/28/2011 5:14:39 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Tax-chick

Very cute kids, but I don’t see one that looks “chubby”...except the baby’s cheeks ;-)


37 posted on 09/28/2011 5:17:23 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: monkeyshine
Okay, I got you. Too funny. Women are called "birds" in Britain and Australia too.
I meant the winged, feathered kind of bird. See above reply for a picture.
38 posted on 09/28/2011 5:17:41 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

Now, you laugh, but all the sounds are there.

Bird vs Word vs Whirred.

Why is it Bird and not Berd/Werd/Werd?

All one sound, yet spelled three different ways. If you were to look at word for the first time, how would it be pronounced?

If I said “the bird took the word and whirred?” does that sentence make any sense to you?


39 posted on 09/28/2011 5:20:33 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: philman_36

40 posted on 09/28/2011 5:22:24 PM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: philman_36

If I were teaching french it would be easy, because if you know how the word is written, I know how to say the word. English, not so much.

This is the problem. Whole word has them memorize words on a page and does not let them draw on the words that they already know by listening. Someone who know only whole word will not be able to write down the sounds that they know.

Someone who knows phonics, will write down what I did. Unless they are taught that berd = bird, they aren’t going to be able to decode it. You have to start with the sounds.


41 posted on 09/28/2011 5:23:07 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: Tax-chick
It is just my anecdotal observation. That means a lot more would need to be done before it could be stated as a fact. It is my personal observation that I have never met an obese ( that means **really** fat) child who has been homeschooled from the beginning. Of that I am certain. I can't recall meeting a chubby one...but maybe in the mix there was a few.
42 posted on 09/28/2011 5:25:14 PM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: wintertime

“But I have **never** met a homeschooler with ADD.”

Yes, this is a powerful piece of evidence: Thanks.

But even you, Wintertime, are not addressing the theory that the teacher wrote me about. In effect, the ed people make the kids illiterate and anxious SO THAT the medical people can give them drugs and doubly dumb them down.

It’s a terrible thing to contemplate. But the crazy eagerness of the psychiatrists to give drugs to kids is hard to explain. Bruce Shortt in “The Harsh Truth About Public Schools” talks about this. Are the shrinks owned by the drug companies? Are they all devoted ideologues hoping to destroy the country? That’s what the special ed teacher is saying. Just so everyone is clear on this, here’s more of what the teacher said:

“They want to eliminate individual thinking at all costs. Our entire population is being attacked. It is no exaggeration to state that the NWO is at war with humanity, and in particular with the US because we are the only country with a history of a sense of having ‘rights.’”

I don’t like thinking about this level of conspiracy; but as I said, I’m comfortable now saying that the Education Establishment used a reading method they had to know did not work.


43 posted on 09/28/2011 5:26:02 PM PDT by BruceDeitrickPrice (education reform)
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To: philman_36; wintertime

Your children probably figured out the phonetic code on their own.

Whole word does work to a degree. It is like learning Chinese characters. This invariably limits literacy severely for all but a few who have lots of time and extraordinary memories.

Phonics, on the other hand, allows for a rapid connection between spoken and written language. Once the simple “phonetic code” is learned a child’s reading vocabulary almost immediately expands to match his speaking vocabulary. If words are treated as ideographs (whole word/chinese), there is no such easy correlation because the sounds and the symbols are unrelated. In China, Vietnam, and Japan, for example, Chinese characters are (were) used as the writing system for completely different languages.

I have seen this in action. Once a child learns to read in English phonetically, if he is also fluent in another phonetic language the child realizes that there is a phonetic code in that language, too. As a result, reading in the other language requires almost no instruction. In Chinese, on the other hand, progress is painfully slow because of the memorization required. This is why China has a massive hidden literacy problem.

Whole language is destructive. I’m pleased your children did well, but unless they have photographic memories they learned to read well in spite of Whole Language, not because of it.


44 posted on 09/28/2011 5:32:01 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: philman_36

I associate the word bird with women and the 1920’s, though I don’t really know when that word started to be used (presumably, slang, perhaps having to do with dress or manners) to mean women. I know it was also used in the 1960’s.

But like I said, you said bird and my smart-ass mind thought of something totally out of the ordinary. It was the first thing I thought of. And seeing as birds flap their wings, it has a double association, all of which pretty much rushed into my head when you asked me to think of the word bird.

But I get your point. Bird, Berd, Burd. Fair enough. But those 3 spellings presumable sound alike, or not. Bird, Berd, Burd could be pronounced beyered, beerd, and boord among other possible readings.

How does whole work work when you get to more advanced concepts? Pronounce geometry, astrophysics, phylum, constipated. A word like constipated seems to me a perfect phonetic type word. Seems to me it would be very haard (ahem) to learn that word in one bite (ew!)

My initial reaction, as I said upthread, was to think phonetics was the better option. I will mull it over though. I will try to challenge my mind and find new words and see how I do it. I know, I have to deal with chemical names in my line of work, and I think I tend to do it phonetically - often putting the wrong emphasis or putting long vowels where people traditionally use the short word. Avastin, the cancer fighting drug, I always pronounced “Uh VAST Inn”, but others seem to call it “A Vust Inn”.


45 posted on 09/28/2011 5:38:13 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: achilles2000
You are misinformed about Ritalin. There is evidence of brain shrinkage and other worrying neurological problems. Moreover, how it affects the developing brains of children is largely unknown. I suspect from your eloquent post that you are allowing one or more of your children to be drugged or were drugged yourself.

For the likely one in a thousand who actually do have ADD ADHD then they likely would need it in the same respect an epileptic needs some very strong medications as well capable of possibly doing harm. Then again massive doses of Caffeine might work as well.

The use of a medication must weigh benefits vs risk in everything including an Aspirin. Then again some meds get bad names no matter how they are used. That happens because a minority abuses them and many doctors simply do not know how to correctly dispense some meds.

Most doctors would freak out at what I have taken every day 3-4 times a day for 17 years {Xanax} and tell me I can't do that. My wife is a 26 year user. But it's the only way I can function at all. Yea it can be dangerous especially higher dosages at 1-2 times a day. On the other hand a lower dosage 3-4 times a day keeps the seizures and brain fog away. {most the time anyway} LOL.

46 posted on 09/28/2011 5:38:40 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

Bruce, The issue is almost certainly the relative inability to discipline children in traditional ways and the need for classroom order. In other words, children are being drugged to make them sit quietly, and in our intensely feminized government schools, the female faculty want the boys, in particular, to act like perfectly behaved girls.

I’m sure you know that boys are overwhelmingly the victims of psychotropic drug child abuse by our highly trained education professionals. Minority children are also disproportionately medicated. Go look at the DSM IV diagnostic criteria for ADD. They are absurdly subjective. The reading I recommended covers a great deal of material you need to become familiar with.


47 posted on 09/28/2011 5:40:39 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: achilles2000

The one to the right of the ship’s bell is 5’10” and 225 lbs. The baby isn’t even plump any more - he runs too much!


48 posted on 09/28/2011 5:40:54 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Skip the election and let Thomas Sowell choose the next President.)
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To: BenKenobi

I wish I had time to teach them to read properly, but I’ve got less than an hour a week to get through the whole Old Testament! It’s going to a disaster when those kids get to high school, and the school will probably (if they haven’t already) label them “disabled,” rather than acknowledge that the system failed to teach perfectly normal children to read.


49 posted on 09/28/2011 5:45:41 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Skip the election and let Thomas Sowell choose the next President.)
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To: BenKenobi
Explain to me how you teach that the sound, “berrd” is the same as the written word ‘bird’ using whole word.
Through imagery and audio input.
The way I did it was to write out the word (starting with personal words like Mommy, Daddy, hand, arm, leg nose, etc.) in large letters (about 4") on poster board.
Or you can buy flash cards like I did with my son and cover up the picture while they learn the word. Then you use the image and the word together.

You make a game of it and you repeat the word while showing the child "the picture" of the word ('cause to them that's all it is at this point is a picture). At first you don't ask the child what the word says. You just say it and put the card away.
After a while the child usually begins to start to make the connection between the written word/picture and the spoken word. As they learn more words you expose them to more words. One thing to keep in mind is that as the child learns more you have to learn the look in a child's eye as to when they don't understand a word when asked. You speak out what the word is and don't give the child the time to make a wrong guess. It's a lot of positive instead of negative reinforcement ("No, that's not right." discourages a child) and understanding your individual child. That's also why it isn't a good institutional method.

As an adult when you hear the word "bird" you probably get an image of a specific type of bird in your mind.

...and you may also get an image of the "whole word" bird as well. While a child is just learning an adult has had the experience of life to help fill in the gap between the two "images".

It was easy for me. It did require patience and knowing my children well. So no matter what anybody says it worked for me and my children and I've been proud of them as a parent when others stated how well read my kids were.
I guess the mileage varies for different folks, but saying outright that it doesn't work at all is BS.

50 posted on 09/28/2011 5:52:09 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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