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Improve-Education.org ^ | June 1, 2010 | Bruce Deitrick Price

Posted on 09/28/2011 3:17:23 PM PDT by BruceDeitrickPrice

A special education teacher wrote to me about the abuse of Ritalin. The teacher said: “My students are on Ritalin. This is a brain shrinking, top tier heavily psychotropic drug, as you know. The authorities KNOW this is their weapon for the most intelligent boys... ”

The teacher believes this is a high-level NWO plot, which is not a road I like to go down. But the teacher got me thinking...

Here are the two parts I’m personally sure of:

1) The Education Establishment in this country, for 75 years, has used bogus methods (i.e., Whole Word) to teach reading. For many millions of children, the result is illiteracy and a COLLAPSE of each child’s confidence, with a concomitant increase in anxiety and misbehavior.

2) A separate set of experts (these are in the psychiatric community) diagnose millions of young children as having something called ADHD. The common treatment for this hyperactivity is Ritalin. Interestingly, according to a government site, “This pattern of behavior usually becomes evident in the preschool or early elementary years, and the median age of onset of ADHD symptoms is 7 years,” which just happens to be the age when children, taught with Whole Word, wake up to the fact that they are falling behind their friends and seem in some way to be damaged.

I would like to think that these two groups of experts are separate and sincere. The thought that the two groups are actually working together is almost too horrible to think about.

Here is my question: does anyone have solid evidence or personal anecdotes that can help illuminate this issue?

(Final thought: Inability to read will usually destroy a child’s sense that he is smart and in control. At the very least, shouldn’t all those highly-paid medical professionals assess the reading abilities of their patients, and then DEMAND that the education experts do more to make sure these children can actually read by the second grade? Even if these groups are separate and well-intentioned, it seems to me you still have a serious dereliction of duty if doctors are prescribing powerful drugs to children without understanding the actual cause of their anxiety and misbehavior.)

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(For more on why Whole Word causes illiteracy, see “42: Reading Resources” on Improve-Education.org.)

http://www.improve-education.org/id65.html

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TOPICS: Conspiracy
KEYWORDS: illiteracy; malpractice; psychiatry; psychology; reading; ritalin
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To: BenKenobi
Why is it Bird and not Berd/Werd/Werd?
Ummm...because you have a higher intellect than the child you're teaching and you will teach them those things as they grow older and become more familiar with words.
You aren't expecting a child to know this on their own, are you?

Even in teaching with phonics there is a process of progress over time, isn't there?

51 posted on 09/28/2011 5:57:58 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: cva66snipe; wintertime; BruceDeitrickPrice

The ADD/ADHD diagnosis has no valid diagnostic criteria. If you look at the DSM IV, which provides diagnoses for psychiatric “diseases”, you will find a list of highly subjective criteria that could fit anyone. Further, there are NO physiological markers of ADD/ADHD at all. In these respects, ADD/ADHD is in the same category of bogus diagnoses as “oppositional defiance disorder”, which is also in the DSM.

Although the DSM IV is officially a diagnostic manual, it can also be seen as the source of cashflow for psychiatrists and psychologists. If something is in the DSM, it has a “code”. That code allows the psychiatrist or psychologist to get paid by insurance and the government.

There are physiological problems that do give rise to what we call mental illness, but ADD/ADHD isn’t among them.


52 posted on 09/28/2011 5:57:58 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

On the book I should have pointed you to pp 205-233 and the related notes.


53 posted on 09/28/2011 6:00:57 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice
the ed people make the kids illiterate and anxious SO THAT the medical people can give them drugs and doubly dumb them down.

That's incredibly cynical and dark. Is that a theory or an hypothesis seeking proof (evidence)? I don't believe a conspiracy like that could survive.

I don't think I could go that far. I could see where teachers would want more docile kids, and therefor are more prone to "see" "Problems" where there are merely issues that need to be overcome. They in turn recommend psychiatry, telling parents how great other kids do on the drugs and so on. Psychiatrists are then put under pressure from parents who want smart, attentive kids and besides, the diagnostic factors for some of these diseases seem pretty broad from what I know of them - but I am no expert. Tell me, before these drugs, how many "boys would be boys"? Heck perhaps it is the urbanization of kids that make them ADHD, for lack of external (outdoor) stimuli? Just guessing here, but can kids learn to be patient in a culture full of cars & highways, fast food , rapid edits on films and videos, video games etc as compared to, say, waiting for that fish to nibble on the bait, reading a book, watching the stars and clouds, climbing trees, hiking, biking... but I suppose that is slightly off point, or upstream if you will.

Perhaps the example on this thread is a good jumping off point. I was asked what I first thought of when I heard the word 'bird', and I thought of a slang use that also had a secondary ironic attachment to it - a flapper. Every mind works differently, but I accept there is no way any teacher can figure out each mind they are entrusted. It is up to the kids and parents to find out how their minds work, and to develop approaches to learning that suit those minds.

Which is just yet another reason why we cannot, should not have these massive public school systems. Kids need to have their individual talents nurtured, and it is not possible if everything is rigid, structured or taught from rote. But again I digress... perhaps I am ADHD too :-)

54 posted on 09/28/2011 6:01:13 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: philman_36

“Even in teaching with phonics there is a process of progress over time, isn’t there?”

Yes, but this is simple stuff. :) That’s my point.


55 posted on 09/28/2011 6:05:33 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

“Schools all over America continue to force five- and six-year olds to start their education by memorizing 200+ sight-words.”

When I see this stuff, it becomes OBVIOUS to me that the teachers are doing ALL THEY CAN to inhibit American kids from learning to read.

Sure, they do blow off Sight Words in Third Grade and THEN switch to phonics...but they have then assured the kid will be a slow reader for life.

Any parent WORTH A DIME will teach his kids to read well before the schools get a shot at them. Either do it yourself (as I did, when my kids were less than 4 years old...and yes, it took a few spankings to get their attention), or go to Kumon, Sylvan or some other after-school learning center and let them do it the RIGHT WAY. Otherwise why not just cut off their left thumbs...you’re doing the same damage (if not more).


56 posted on 09/28/2011 6:07:43 PM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: philman_36

Question:

When did you teach the alphabet, before or after you did this?

“Through imagery and audio input.”

So you taught her phonics. :)

“The way I did it was to write out the word (starting with personal words like Mommy, Daddy, hand, arm, leg nose, etc.) in large letters (about 4”) on poster board.
Or you can buy flash cards like I did with my son and cover up the picture while they learn the word. Then you use the image and the word together.”

What you are doing is teaching the child that the word “bird”, when you say it is the same as the letters on the page. If you took the picture away from it, the child learns the sound and associates the sounds with the word.

I suspected as much.

“It was easy for me. It did require patience and knowing my children well. So no matter what anybody says it worked for me and my children and I’ve been proud of them as a parent when others stated how well read my kids were. “

I am not saying that your approach was unsuccessful. I am arguing that your approach was not ‘whole word’.

?I guess the mileage varies for different folks, but saying outright that it doesn’t work at all is BS.”

It doesn’t. Whole word takes away the audio and leaves you just the pictures.


57 posted on 09/28/2011 6:09:59 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: monkeyshine
Perhaps the example on this thread is a good jumping off point. I was asked what I first thought of when I heard the word 'bird', and I thought of a slang use that also had a secondary ironic attachment to it - a flapper.
And you've just shown that the method is sound if used patiently. You had an image in your mind that you associated with the word bird separate and distinct from the other unique image created when four disparate letters are combined together.
To teach the method you have to accept the concept of looking at the word as an image in it's own right to help the child make that connection.

Aside - I'm glad you didn't teach me, I might have gotten in more trouble than I did as a kid. {;^)

58 posted on 09/28/2011 6:11:41 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: BenKenobi
Yes, but this is simple stuff. :) That’s my point.
It is to you because you see it through an adult's eyes! Isn't math "simple" for you now as an adult as well?
To a child it isn't simple stuff. They have to be taught it over time, just like they do everything else they learn.
59 posted on 09/28/2011 6:14:49 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

Don’t change article titles to promote your agenda.


60 posted on 09/28/2011 6:15:41 PM PDT by steveo (PETO-VT-IN-MARI-SVB-CRVCE-AVSTRALI-SEPELIAR)
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To: philman_36

Simple as compared to suffixes/affixes, grammar rules, etc.


61 posted on 09/28/2011 6:29:24 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: monkeyshine

“Whole word” reading is also known as “whole language” reading. I call it guess-reading and my youngest son was really bad at it. The eldest learned phonics and knew how to read before the first grade. I had to teach the youngest to read myself or he would not have learned.

When I got upset that he was not learning read in second grade they tried to push drugs on him and name him learning disabled. We cleared out and did homeschool for some years.


62 posted on 09/28/2011 6:32:02 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: monkeyshine

“I had to look it up, because I don’t have kids. “Whole Word” sounds like a horrible approach to me. Seems to me, and I am just going by my gut so perhaps I am no help at all to the question asked, but seems to me that teaching people phonics is the better approach. Whole Word will come once people know their phonics.”

Your “gut” is MUCH BETTER at judging educational materials than the nearly $1 Trillion educational establishment...unless they KNOW what you sense (which is what I strongly suspect), and why I’m so contemptuous about them).


63 posted on 09/28/2011 6:43:14 PM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: BenKenobi
When did you teach the alphabet, before or after you did this?
With my daughter I did that mostly afterwards. Keep in mind I started with her at about 3 years old.
With my son I did it at the same time. (started him out at 4.5 - 5 yrs old)
(in all honesty I pushed him too hard and too fast...he wasn't his sister and I was both too slow and too busy with work and such to pick up on it)

So you taught her phonics. :)
Eventually, yes. It's necessary, IMO, to reading and writing.
Look, I'm not knocking phonics as a means of teaching reading. I'm just saying that those who say "whole word" reading (as I understand it) doesn't work are full of it.

I am arguing that your approach was not ‘whole word’.
Whole word takes away the audio and leaves you just the pictures.

Well thanks for that. I'm not quite sure that yours is an accurate description, but I'm always willing to learn. If you've got any helpful links explaining the differences I would appreciate it. It might help get this "sheepish grin 'cause I'm wrong" off of my face quicker.

Meanwhile, doing a little looking around shows me that what I was using is probably holistic word recognition instead of whole word reading. Even after all of this time I find that I'm still in need of refresher courses in some things.

64 posted on 09/28/2011 6:44:53 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: monkeyshine

“But perhaps I am off track for what this thread is about. Don’t mean to derail it.”

With your instincts, I wish you did have kids, it would have been a blessing to the country.


65 posted on 09/28/2011 6:45:04 PM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: BenKenobi
Simple as compared to suffixes/affixes, grammar rules, etc.
Ah, got ya. That stuff is hard enough to remember as an adult as well.
66 posted on 09/28/2011 6:53:04 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

“BS! The first word I read was from a sign in a commercial! “

You’re cracking me up. I was having an argument with the wife, with me saying junior could read, and she saying he can’t (he was 3). So I pointed to a McDonald’s sign, and he read it perfectly. She didn’t buy it. LOL.


67 posted on 09/28/2011 6:54:09 PM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: philman_36

“Perhaps you should modify your statement. Maybe...Whole word does not work for my kids.
It does work, no matter what you say as my kids are living proof that it does. The problem is that it doesn’t work well in institutional settings.
I taught my kids to read, not the public schools. “

Your kids must have an AMAZING memory. As stated in the article, they can now recognize 100,000 words by sight (in all forms), assuming college level. And to think they could NEVER sound out a word...because that would show they learned PHONICS somewhere along the way...can’t do that, now can we.


68 posted on 09/28/2011 6:57:16 PM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: achilles2000
ADD ADHD would not be a mental illness but rather a Neurological one like C.A.P.D. type disorders. It is also likely cause and effect or a secondary disorder caused by an undetected neurological much in the same way Anxiety Disorders are. Tell a Shrink that about many anxiety didorders and most will say your nuts but it's the truth. That's the reason SSRI's etc can be very dangerous too some and I know because I have seen it happen.

A Shrink told me one time the easiest way he found to tell if Ritalin would in fact help was to give a kid suspected with having ADD ADHD a caffine pill and watch the child too see if symptoms changed. Now when I was a kid they thought I had it. I can drink 6 Cokes a night and it won't do nothing to me. But I can hear certain frenquency noises and I about go through the roof.

Actually I have seizures {strong upper torso spasms} but not in the form most persons recognize as being such. They are called Myoclonic. The thing about it except in very extreme cases like mine a C.A.P.D. diagnoses means $0 to the drug companies. I didn't have to start taking meds for this till I was in my mid thirties. The doctors tried antidepressants which was a huge disaster.

69 posted on 09/28/2011 6:58:10 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: BenKenobi

“Someone who knows phonics, will write down what I did. Unless they are taught that berd = bird, they aren’t going to be able to decode it. You have to start with the sounds.”

Wow, I never thought we’d find someone on this site arguing for whole word. You’re lucky to even find them on left-wing sites. I suspect the real supporters are the education establishment, and they have their own-password protected sights where they strategize on how to deal with trouble-making parents (similar to Journalist). This guy almost sounds like a troll, but I suspect he simply doesn’t understand the difference, and actually did teach his kids sounds (or someone else did). They certainly wouldn’t be reading by now otherwise.


70 posted on 09/28/2011 7:03:03 PM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: BobL

Well thank you for those compliments. I may yet have kids, I’m not too old and neither is my bird!


71 posted on 09/28/2011 7:10:23 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: monkeyshine

“Well thank you for those compliments. I may yet have kids, I’m not too old and neither is my bird!”

You’re welcome and go for it...you’ll be happy you did so.


72 posted on 09/28/2011 7:11:35 PM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: zek157
Sorry but I have to completely disagree on this theory. Both my daughters, and I have ADHD. With my eldest it was painfully evident almost from birth, (don't laugh I am completely serious)and my younger one was DX’ed in 1st grade. Both are very bright with high I.Q testing scores, both are absolutely avid readers, having learned to read before even starting school. In fact, reading was the one thing that could hold their attention for longer then a few minutes at a time.

Having been on ADHD medications myself, (Adderall and/or Ritalin)for more then 15 years, I can tell you a few things about it categorically that may or may not be of interest to you.

First, While ADHD meds are commonly referred to as “speed” on the street by individuals who are not afflicted with ADHD, anyone suffering from it will attest to the fact that it has the opposite effect for us. It does not speed our thoughts or actions as it would for an individual without ADHD. It slows us down enough to be able to focus on a task long enough to see it through to completion. It enables us to resist impulsive bouts of word vomit at inappropriate times, often with irrelevant subject matter, and helps our brains slow down enough that we can respond intelligently to a post such as this one, without slipping into numerous side rants which have little to do with anything truly relevant to the topic.
For some, my daughters and myself included, it means the difference between a lifetime of fluttering from job to job never really understanding why nothing seems to really “fit” us, or being able to excel in positions befitting our often higher level of intelligence. None of which could, in even the most far reaching theories, be considered affects of a “top tier heavily psychotropic drug” by any stretch of imagination.

While I believe ADHD is often misdiagnosed, I believe your theory is profoundly off the mark. Your claim that medications like Ritalin and Adderall are “heavily psychotropic drugs” responsible for the growing illiteracy epidemic is, unfortunately typical of someone without first hand experience with either ADHD or the medications that treat it.

To those of us with ADHD, these medications are equally as essential, life saving, and relevant to our being productive members of society, as insulin is to a diabetic, or pain medications are to an individual suffering from rheumatoid arthritis, or fibromyalgia.

A more convincing argument to explain the lack of reading ability, and poor self esteem you describe might be the lack of parenting skills exhibited by many, the deliberate dumbing down of our children via academia, along with the fact that little, (if any) sense of personal responsibility, or accountability for ones own actions,(or lack there of) are currently being taught by many parents, or teachers.

We have become a society where, very often our kids are held to ridiculously low standards and expectations, and even with those lowered expectations, those same kids are provided any number of ready made excuses to fail. I.E “Janey can't be expected to turn her homework in on time because her mom makes her do chores at home, and watch her brothers and sisters.” Or “Jimmy's dad makes him mow the lawn, shovel snow, or sweep the garage, AND>>> GASP... clean his room too! On top of that, he had to spend three hours debating which is better, WII or Nintendo online last night, so he shouldn't be expected to turn in his homework on time, or at all for that matter!”

The fact is, children learn what they live. If they live with little or no expectations, they will deliver nothing, and probably expect others to spoon feed them all their lives.
If they live with reasonably high expectations of behavior, productivity, manners and morals, chances are pretty good they'll grow up to be productive, morally sound, capable members of society, who work, can read, add, subtract, multiply, divide, as well as speak and write in proper English.

Sorry, but the blame doesn't lie with the meds on this one.

73 posted on 09/28/2011 7:28:48 PM PDT by Passionate Pachyderms (Sarah doesn't need an invite from anyone, she will be the guest of honor!)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice
The title you created

" READING and RITALIN "

was misleading and did not match the source you linked. We have replaced it with the published title.

Please always just use the published title at whatever source you link.

74 posted on 09/28/2011 7:54:39 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: cva66snipe; wintertime; BruceDeitrickPrice

You actually have physiological symptoms. In the case of ADD/ADHD the symptoms are are vague and subjective. Giving someone a pill and observing behavior change doesn’t establish anything. I can give anyone who is normal caffeine, amphetamines, or Xanax and change behavior. If the normal person is tired and takes caffeine, for example, he will feel and function better. Nevertheless, it would be absurd to conclude that the person had a mental illness that required treatment by caffeine or that indicated a caffeine deficiency. Instead, what you have is someone who needs more sleep. Similarly, changing behavior by drugging with Ritalin does not demonstrate that there is a mental illness or a Ritalin deficiency. ADD/ADHD is a bogus diagnosis that was concocted to persuade parents to medicate their children to maintain order in schools because traditional discipline has disappeared in many homes and all government schools.

This is a diagnosis that is simply a way to eliminate what the school deems bad behavior by medication. Critics point out that this so-called mental illness goes away in the summer.


75 posted on 09/28/2011 7:57:26 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: achilles2000
Critics point out that this so-called mental illness goes away in the summer.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This may explain why I have never met a homeschooler ( who has been homes schooled from the beginning) who has had ADHD or ADD.

76 posted on 09/28/2011 8:03:43 PM PDT by wintertime (I am a Constitutional Restorationist!!! Yes!)
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To: BobL
You’re cracking me up.
Thank you. Thank you very much. /Elvis
77 posted on 09/28/2011 8:15:38 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: BobL
And to think they could NEVER sound out a word...because that would show they learned PHONICS somewhere along the way...can’t do that, now can we.
As I stated in reply #64 I did teach her (and my son, though not stated there) phonics. It was easier to teach them that aspect of language after they got a better grasp of words to begin with.
Besides, phonetics comes in, in part, through audio first from earliest childhood simply through speaking. The way we speak helps teach the aspects of phonics.
Anything else?
78 posted on 09/28/2011 8:38:06 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: BobL
This guy almost sounds like a troll, but I suspect he simply doesn’t understand the difference, and actually did teach his kids sounds (or someone else did).
This guy will be waiting for your apology when you catch up because you are obviously reading down the thread and replying as you go.
79 posted on 09/28/2011 8:40:42 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

“As I stated in reply #64 I did teach her (and my son, though not stated there) phonics. It was easier to teach them that aspect of language after they got a better grasp of words to begin with.”

Well then I consider your post now corrected, and while your kids played around looking at words, they wound up being taught reading properly - good job.

Here’s some light reading as to how California literally lost A GENERATION of kids to Whole Language. It is DESTRUCTIVE AS HELL and anyone who claims that reading can be learned that way is simply evil.

http://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/97nov/read.htm

A lot of people here have school-aged kids, and when they are told by the so-called teachers not to worry about whole language or sight words, I don’t want those teachers getting ANY support here.


80 posted on 09/28/2011 8:52:46 PM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: BobL
Good article. Thanks.

If a word is unfamiliar it can be skipped, guessed at, or picked up from context.
That's not what I did.

Whole-language is generally a cause of the left.
I can understand your earlier troll comment better now. Either way, it was still wrong.
Can you accept my eccentricity?

I do find it rather humorous that the images at the site that you give in support of your argument has something very similar to what I used earlier. Isn't that whole word reading?

81 posted on 09/28/2011 9:42:51 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

I am sorry to seem so critical, it’s just I deal with the back end so much in what I do. If I can spare anybody the same fate, then I will do what I can.

You’ve done right by your kids, but sadly not everyone cares or even understands what the education establishment is teaching kids these days.

And then folks have to go back and clean it up, if they are lucky.


82 posted on 09/28/2011 10:37:46 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: BenKenobi
I am sorry to seem so critical...
No big deal. We worked our way through it.

You’ve done right by your kids, but sadly not everyone cares or even understands what the education establishment is teaching kids these days.
Well I thank you for that.

Man, you don't have to tell me about the failings of our public school system. By the time I got out of HS I was so disillusioned with public education that it's not even funny. That was what really motivated me to teach my kids myself rather than have public schools fail in the attempt like they did with some of my classmates.

Good God, we had some 18 year old kids who could only read at about an 8th grade level or less back then. Some of them still fair no better today as adults! And that's here in Texas!

83 posted on 09/28/2011 11:00:07 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36
As an adult when you hear the word "bird" you probably get an image of a specific type of bird in your mind.

Not me. If you said blue bird then I would. If I just hear the word bird I think of a creature with wings - the mental image is generic.

84 posted on 09/29/2011 3:01:45 AM PDT by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: philman_36

“I can understand your earlier troll comment better now. Either way, it was still wrong.
Can you accept my eccentricity? “

Totally, and sorry...it’s just so darn emotional with me, that I start losing the ability to pursue “rational discourse” or whatever Obama calls it when he wants Republicans to shut up and start rubber stamping...LOL.


85 posted on 09/29/2011 4:14:18 AM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: philman_36

Those are funny images. When I taught my kids, they didn’t use pictures (I didn’t have any), and we didn’t even associate sounds with words...we associated sounds with the letter combination that made up the sounds. A bit dry, but 6 weeks of dry learning before they’re 4 years old is a small price to pay for a life of easy reading.


86 posted on 09/29/2011 4:16:43 AM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: BobL
...but 6 weeks of dry learning...
That's about how long it took each of the kids.

...a small price to pay for a life of easy reading.
They both fly through books.

87 posted on 09/29/2011 9:23:30 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: raybbr
...I think of a creature with wings - the mental image is generic.
Sometimes that happens. It's still a bird, in general.
88 posted on 09/29/2011 9:26:08 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: achilles2000
Read Post 21 it makes my point for me. Notice the behavioral symptoms yet? It is in the case I speak of caused by a Vestibular {Inner Ear related} disorder causing learning and behavioral issue. To better prove my point I was diagnosed at age 33 with General Anxiety Disorder because they did not know what else too call it.

The doctors first tried Xanax at 2mg every 12 hours. It worked half the time. Then they tried SSRI's and other antidepressants which made it much worse all the time. Finally one doctor saw the problem and said lets try a.5mg or hald a MG 4 times a day instead and it has worked 17 years.

AS for how I learned a lot of whet I know and knew where too start looking? There is one man out there who has likely hit the nail on the head about ADD ADHD and even many causes of anxiety disorder. It is Sensory Processing Disorders. IOW Va Primary Neurological Cause undetected by doctors but they are only treated the secondary symptoms which can mimic ADD ADHD. Thus an epidemic. Read up on Harold Levinsom MD's writings. His book Phobia Free gave me a good idea of what was going on with me and he was right as my medical history matched.

To explain it better ADD ADHD is likely covering several yet to be diagnosed neurological or physical disorders in the same fact that proven Central Auditory Processing Disorder does. Levinsons linking of Vestibular Disorders to ADD ADHD as well as anxiety disorders back in the 1970's is likely the right direction. So much so in fact C.A.P.D. descriptions follows almost word for word his findings that were scoffed at for years.

You say I have physiological symptoms? True but the lesson here is one people are forgetting Many mental health related issues are the direct cause of a undetected neurological or physical ailment and it can be something as simple as a Bad Inner Ear Infection. Mental Health disorders generally do not trigger seizure activity. But in my earliest childhood I did not have seizures that started at age 34. I was born one eye functional. I am functionally blind in either eye meaning the one I can not use with the other. I have very poor coordination that took two years of Occupational Therapy to be able to walk a straight line and deal with the other issues it causes like no depth perception. I had chronic sinus allergies as well. I was deemed hyperactive. When someone told me something it took several tries till I understood it sometimes. My feet? LOL My parents bought me shoes once per month. I could break over the best pair.

OK the reason the shrink tried caffeine because it is a stimulant. In rare actual true ADD ADHD cases they do work. Now unlike you I believe the ADD ADHD that requires Ritalin is simply symptoms which are being triggered most likely by a hidden physical or neurological disorder medical science has yet too pin point. Most persons said too have mental illness in fact do not. They have other ailments of which cognitive behavioral issues are causing that type of symptoms :>}

I know considerably more on this matter than you. I have lived with it 54 years and I have done the look ups for 17 years to get answers. I learned answers about it most Shrinks don't even know. I have too take Xanax because it tones down my sensory processing system too a level I can function at. In doing so that in turn eases or highly limits sensory triggers such as sight and sound that start my seizures. I have Inner Damage confirmed. I have visual issues confirmed. Now pay close attention to what I am saying. This portion of the sensory processing system and brain control the release of some of the strongest chemicals and reactions in the human brain.

89 posted on 09/29/2011 1:11:59 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe

Let me add too this to my above post. I proof read the post once for mistakes. Now see how many actually got corrected? A person with this can not ofter detect their own Grammar mistakes and have difficulty correcting once detected.


90 posted on 09/29/2011 1:19:01 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: philman_36

“...but 6 weeks of dry learning...
That’s about how long it took each of the kids.

...a small price to pay for a life of easy reading.
They both fly through books.”

Yep...it’s AMAZING. That’s why I get so upset about the subject.


91 posted on 09/29/2011 4:58:24 PM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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