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'Let's Talk' iPhone 5 Is A Game Changer
Seeking Alpha ^ | September 28, 2011 | Jason Schwarz

Posted on 09/29/2011 1:20:55 PM PDT by Swordmaker

The official announcement for the October 4th iPhone event has been sent out to the media in the form of a 'Let's Talk iPhone' invitation. Wall Street has not yet caught on to the fact that this iPhone upgrade is an absolute game-changer. Consensus opinion remains severely off track with the expectation that this new phone will have a better camera, be a little faster, and look the same as the iPhone 4. The truth is that this iPhone 5 upgrade is the most significant upgrade to the Apple ecosystem since the initial launch of the product back in 2007. Wall Street will soon catch on to the reports being leaked to tech publications.

Consider the ramifications of the following iPhone 5 elements:


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: apple; iphone
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1 posted on 09/29/2011 1:21:00 PM PDT by Swordmaker
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~; 1234; Abundy; Action-America; acoulterfan; AFreeBird; Airwinger; Aliska; altair; ...
The new iPhone 5 that may be introduced next week will be a game changer according to Seeking Alpha—PING!


Apple iPhone 5 prognostication Ping!

Please, No Flame Wars!
Discuss technical issues, software, and hardware.
Don't attack people!

Don't respond to the Anti-Apple Thread Trolls!
PLEASE IGNORE THEM!!!

If you want on or off the Mac Ping List, Freepmail me.

2 posted on 09/29/2011 1:25:33 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: Swordmaker

In before overzealous mods nuke thread as “corporate pr” :D


3 posted on 09/29/2011 1:27:58 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Hope & Change - I'm out of hope, and change is all I have left every week | FR Class of 1998 |)
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To: Keith in Iowa

I’m satisfied with my dumb tracfone. I have internets at home and work, why do I need to surf the 10 min in-between.


4 posted on 09/29/2011 1:30:08 PM PDT by rokkitapps ( Hearings on healthcare waivers NOW! (If you agree make this your tagline))
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To: Swordmaker

So it almost can perform as well as my DROID X?


5 posted on 09/29/2011 1:33:25 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehring

I’m an X owner, too, and am very pleased with the latest OS update from last weekend. My contract is up in April, and am eagerly looking forward to the X2 or whatever newer model is out by then ...


6 posted on 09/29/2011 1:39:48 PM PDT by fellowgeek (To geek or not to geek.)
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To: fellowgeek

I want the Bionic next.


7 posted on 09/29/2011 1:42:14 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Swordmaker

Nuance updated “Dragon Go” today; it’s a free piece of voice recognition software that does a bit more than anything prior (including Siri).

For example, you could say find music by Stephenwolf - and it will give you choices from your library, iTunes, Pandora as well as YouTube and Google searches.

Pretty slick. I think Android will have something similar in 6-8 months.


8 posted on 09/29/2011 1:42:21 PM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: Hodar

The Pannous voice actions app for DROID already does most of what Siri does.


9 posted on 09/29/2011 1:45:22 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: mnehring
The Pannous voice actions app for DROID already does most of what Siri does.

And Siri is over a year old. Like I said; wait 6-8 months and something similar will be available for Android. Apple innovates - Android copies. One leads the way, the other follows the leader.

ICS hopes to catch up with IOS 4.3.5; but we will have IOS5 in just a couple weeks.

What does IOS bring to the table? Well, the last 1,000 photo's you took with your iPhone are synch'd to your cloud account (free). Any music you purchased is available in the cloud (free). For $20 you can buy iTunes Match which will scan your drive and 'legitimize' your entire iTunes library and make them available in non-DRM AAC (loss-less codec) Free, so you can simply download them from your cloud account, as well as all your applications - for up to 10 devices (free). Then, we have the whole update and upgrade your IOS over the Cloud things. And that's what's known now - before it's been formerly announced. We will know more on Tuesday.

10 posted on 09/29/2011 1:51:12 PM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: mnehring

Does the Bionic have a dual core processor?

My wife just picked up the Droid 3 and I’m a little jealous of the power she needs to read Facebook and play games. Heh, heh!


11 posted on 09/29/2011 1:51:17 PM PDT by fellowgeek (To geek or not to geek.)
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To: mnehring

Shh... Apple users don’t realize that every new version of the iPhone just has features that Android users have had for awhile.


12 posted on 09/29/2011 1:52:13 PM PDT by gjones77
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To: fellowgeek

Yes it does, but the Bionic will be old in 3 months.


13 posted on 09/29/2011 1:54:51 PM PDT by montyspython (This thread needs more cowbell)
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To: Swordmaker
"But I just bought this one!"


14 posted on 09/29/2011 2:16:59 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Swordmaker

PEOPLE!

It’s a phone ... you dial numbers , you speak .. why do you need a new one every few months? So you can feel depressed in 6 months when you’re phone is 2 generations old?


15 posted on 09/29/2011 2:52:47 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: Swordmaker

No IOS or Android-flavor-of-the-week for me. My WP7 phone is great. The rest of the family has IOS or Blackberry and all want to use my phone.


16 posted on 09/29/2011 2:53:23 PM PDT by DesertSapper (CAIN 2012!!!)
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To: Swordmaker
OK, I just scanned the article and I don't get it.

(1) My WP7 phone has voice controls (start an app, search with Bing, find a song, etc), though I've never tried some of the longer voice commands the Siri claims to be able to do. I can even make those commands over my bluetooth earpiece. I'm certain one of my friend's Android can use voice commands too.

(2) My phone model was NOT a top-end one and is about a year old ... it has a 5mp camera. I know there are 8mp camera phones out there already.

(3) Skydrive! I get 25GB free storage on Skydrive and have my phone set to upload every photo I take immediately to Skydrive. I can even open and edit Word docs and Excel spreadsheets on my phone and keep them on Skydrive while doing so.

OK, OK, it's obvious I like my phone. It's also obvious LOTS of people like iPhones. But what makes iPhone5 worth it? It sure isn't Apple's iTunes software.

17 posted on 09/29/2011 3:09:11 PM PDT by DesertSapper (CAIN 2012!!!)
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To: Neidermeyer

Yeah, just a phone.....

My customer database works on my phone and my computer. As I intergrate my IPad into my sales it will update the data automatically. The seamless intergration, the paperless office and the quick communication features have been wonderful!

The question is: Will I use the new features? I’m a 62 year-0ld businessman who is learning new things every day. I wish I had tools like this thirty years ago.


18 posted on 09/29/2011 3:41:17 PM PDT by Loud Mime (The Obama voters are dumber than you think, meaner than you can imagine)
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To: Neidermeyer
It’s a phone ... you dial numbers , you speak .. why do you need a new one every few months?

I agree! I am still using rotary dial; on a party line.

19 posted on 09/29/2011 3:45:08 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot
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To: rokkitapps
I, too, was “satisfied” with my cheap phone, though it was barely readable in the sunlight.

After months of frustration, I got an Iphone 3GS. $50 with a 2 year contract - cheap.

It is incredible. A tool belt even Batman would admire.

So far, I have paid $.99 TOTAL for over 40 apps - all but one was free. For this I have news, sports, finance, stocks, & weather, including radar. All my music albums are now on my phone. TV & movies are mostly free. Web surfing & email are easy.

I have a free GPS navigator with voice directions - forget Garmin. An interstate exit app that tells me what services are located at the next, or any, interstate exit or zip code. A mosquito repellent app. Proximity alerts from to-do lists that remind me I am near a to-do task. Voice & text language translators. Bar code scanners that tell me where I can get a scanned product cheaper, with directions & a phone number. The entire US white & yellow pages. Every kind of calculator - profession specific. It can even do fractional arithmetic with results in fractions - a carpenter's dream. A level & tape measure. Incredible cameras that do 360 degree panoramas. Every kind of alarm & notification you can & cannot imagine.

With over 90,000 apps, everyone can find some apps that will make their life easier.

Now, I have never been a fan of Apple. Never had a Mac - didn't want one. I was raised on MSDOS - Apple was a dirty word.

But this phone is so much more than a phone. It's a portable, electronic, very smart toolbox that can save me serious time & money & provide some serious CYA with its reminders. If it could pay for my purchases, I wouldn't need my wallet anymore, & that's saying a lot for a man who has carried a wallet for 45+ years.

I still have glare problems in the sunlight, but not nearly as bad; & my old eyes have trouble with the small screen, but again it is better; & voice dialing makes calling someone real easy.

So, the next time you see someone “playing” with their phone, they might be buying/selling 100,000 shares of Apple or AT&T, reading a book, or checking their home security cameras. Amazing!

20 posted on 09/29/2011 4:18:12 PM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
I agree! I am still using rotary dial; on a party line.

Rotary dial? Who needs that newfangled contraption. I just pick up the earpiece, turn the crank a couple of times and yell into the horn, telling Effie down at the general store who to connect me to.

21 posted on 09/29/2011 4:40:48 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Hodar
Like I said; wait 6-8 months and something

That statement is exactly what M$ used when a new technology was announced, they were always going to have something better next month, but unless they could buy the company, it would never come about. Vaporware was the term used.

It always amuses me to watch people who really could care less, just swarm these threads that are for people who are interested in Apple products, only to complain or brag.

Who cares don't buy their product no one cares, what you do with your money. Me I buy Apple because I have gotten too old to mess with the rapid changes. The last three or fours have reduced me to eMail and web, the iPad is perfect for that.

A Mac mini attached to my big screen gives me internet TV and all that, plus I use it with a Bluetooth keyboard and pad. I don't use a mouse anymore because what I do now doesn’t require precision.

Now leave me to suffer my own misery, I don't need yours a well.

22 posted on 09/29/2011 4:47:07 PM PDT by itsahoot (Amazon Fire--Apple is doomed. In other news, Timex will kill Rolex-News at 11:00)
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To: Mister Da

Damn, you articulated, and quite well I might add, the exact reasons why I love my iPhone.......

I also bought the $50.00 3GS and we will be able to get the IOS5 upgrade free in Oct. more cool features....check them out on the Apple website......


23 posted on 09/29/2011 4:48:41 PM PDT by Kimmers (Pray more and shoot straight.........)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
I am still using rotary dial; on a party line.

Mine still has a crank, how did you get a dialer?

24 posted on 09/29/2011 4:50:36 PM PDT by itsahoot (Amazon Fire--Apple is doomed. In other news, Timex will kill Rolex-News at 11:00)
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To: gjones77
"Shh... Apple users don’t realize that every new version of the iPhone just has features that Android users have had for awhile."

Well..except for the 425,000 apps in the Apple App Store versus 30,000 for Android. Then there's the unequaled iOS user interface. Also, most apps for iOS are better layed out and more polished than the Android equivalent, due to Android fragmentation among many disparate hardware designs.

Oh, and then there's customer satisfaction, with every survey showing iPhone owners are much more satisfied with their devices than Android owners.

http://androidcommunity.com/android-loses-out-to-iphone-bigtime-in-jd-power-satisfaction-ratings-20110318/
http://www.changewaveresearch.com/articles/2011/smart_phones_20110718.html

ChangeWave Research also looked at OS customer satisfaction ratings based upon the operating system consumers have on their smart phones, and once again Apple is the clear leader – with 70% of customers using the iOS saying they are Very Satisfied.
I'm glad Android is there, as it is spurring Apple to continuously exceed its already very high standards for product excellence. A true win for the consumer!
25 posted on 09/29/2011 4:56:25 PM PDT by PreciousLiberty (Palin '12 - Take Back America!!!)
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To: Neidermeyer

Productivity and entertainmeny Baby!

I am probably going to get a Samsung Galaxy or a HTC.

Then I can read FR comfortably or use the phone tethered to my laptop for evn more capabilities


26 posted on 09/29/2011 4:56:25 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: itsahoot
Rotary dial? Who needs that newfangled contraption. I just pick up the earpiece, turn the crank a couple of times and yell into the horn, telling Effie down at the general store who to connect me to.

Mine still has a crank, how did you get a dialer?

I know someone at the phone company. Effie down at the general store was getting too cranky for me. Yes, that pun was intended.

27 posted on 09/29/2011 4:58:20 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot
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To: Neidermeyer
“It’s a phone ... you dial numbers , you speak .. why do you need a new one every few months?

You sound just like me 6 months ago.

While I agree buying a new phone every few months is extravagant & not something I would do, the “phone” has become so much more.

Please see my reply #20 for just a very, very small sample of what a “phone” can do.

If you travel much it is indispensable. The fact that it “knows” where you are (GPS) & “knows” what is around you in terms of businesses, products, & services is only a partially tapped wonder. Connection to the Internet gives you pretty much everything else. Voice commands for many apps make it easy to use.

Captain Kirk would be impressed!

28 posted on 09/29/2011 5:33:18 PM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: rokkitapps

I had a tracfone as well. Buy minutes once a year and I’m good to go.

I got a new touchscreen phone recently. Easy to use and cheap to keep.


29 posted on 09/29/2011 5:56:50 PM PDT by Not gonna take it anymore (Catholic, Easter vigil 2008)
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To: rokkitapps

I have a tracfone as well. Buy minutes once a year and I’m good to go.

I got a new touchscreen phone recently. Easy to use and cheap to keep.


30 posted on 09/29/2011 5:57:24 PM PDT by Not gonna take it anymore (Catholic, Easter vigil 2008)
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To: Mister Da

I have 2 macs and wrote 10 iphone apps but tested them on an ipod... I don’t need navigation or apps. I average 10 bucks a month in minutes. way less expensive than smart phone.


31 posted on 09/29/2011 6:01:18 PM PDT by rokkitapps ( Hearings on healthcare waivers NOW! (If you agree make this your tagline))
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To: Kimmers
Yep. I went to the store to get a phone that was more readable & had a better speaker. The sales lady sold me a pocket sized, magic box - cheap - that was also a phone. Thank you, lady - I forgot her name.

I am still astounded at the power I possess, even sitting in a MacDonald's parking lot. If I could set phasers on stun it would be near perfect.

I am still a little uncomfortable using it around other people. They look at you like you are playing some dumb game or listening to rap music. Forget games & music, I am watching my dwindling portfolio, looking for a restaurant, or reading a good book. Dumb phone games are for the truly unmotivated.

32 posted on 09/29/2011 6:09:39 PM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: rokkitapps

Cool.

What language do you use to write apps?


33 posted on 09/29/2011 6:15:09 PM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: itsahoot; Bubba Ho-Tep; Mind-numbed Robot
"Mine still has a crank, how did you get a dialer?"

Same here. And, if TEOTWAWKI happens and it's survival time, we can catch fish with ours... '-)

34 posted on 09/29/2011 6:18:13 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: Mister Da

objective C... abandoned it a few months back due to issues with ad companies (ad supported free apps) ... as you said, 90,000 apps, so hard to break through... cheers.


35 posted on 09/29/2011 6:48:27 PM PDT by rokkitapps ( Hearings on healthcare waivers NOW! (If you agree make this your tagline))
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To: Mister Da; Swordmaker
I bought a 3GS 3 years ago! It changed my life. Now I own Mac mini, Mac book pro , a new Ipod4os and Ipad2. I never had a virus yet. In winEXP always a virus.

Mister Da- I reluctantly bought the Iphone first too. Watch yourself more will follow! LOL!!!!

36 posted on 09/29/2011 7:30:24 PM PDT by johngrace (1 John 4!- which is also declared at every sunday mass.)
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To: Swordmaker

Can’t wait for the release. My husband and I still have our first generation iPhone 3G which run terribly now but we have been patiently waiting for the iPhone 5. Very excited!!!


37 posted on 09/29/2011 7:50:43 PM PDT by Vicki (Washington State where anyone can vote .... illegals, non-residents, dead people, dogs, felons)
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To: rokkitapps
Here's an app I would like to have:

A voice recognition lock/unlock for my Iphone. I don't see one in the itunes store.

38 posted on 09/29/2011 7:58:16 PM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: mnehring
The Pannous voice actions app for DROID already does most of what Siri does.

How widely usable is Pannous? I noticed that if it doesn't know how to do something, it simply passes the text into a Google search. I have it, but rarely use it, since for me it has usually been either just a glorified voice search (through Google), or just for basic phone commands. Neat for a little while, but it is actually simpler just to swipe.

I am just wondering if I haven't given it enough of a chance. I know it can do natural language queries (off of what database, I have no idea), but it rarely has what I ask for. Is there a large amount of functionality tied into it?
39 posted on 09/29/2011 8:15:22 PM PDT by jjsheridan5
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To: DesertSapper

Voice Control has been a standard part of the iPhone for some time. This new addition is fare more comprehensive.


40 posted on 09/29/2011 10:18:34 PM PDT by TheBattman (They exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature...)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

If I could just keep Lum or Abner from listening in I would happy. Oh well maybe Fibber will call and we can gossip a little in private.


41 posted on 09/29/2011 11:03:19 PM PDT by itsahoot (Amazon Fire--Apple is doomed. In other news, Timex will kill Rolex-News at 11:00)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
Rotary dial? Who needs that newfangled contraption. I just pick up the earpiece, turn the crank a couple of times and yell into the horn, telling Effie down at the general store who to connect me to.

That is surprising. I figured you would us smoke....

42 posted on 09/30/2011 6:25:30 AM PDT by cowboyway (Molon labe : Deo Vindice : "Rebellion is always an option!!"--Jim Robinson)
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To: itsahoot
Mine still has a crank, how did you get a dialer?

My iPhone has a rotary dialer:


43 posted on 09/30/2011 6:39:13 AM PDT by cowboyway (Molon labe : Deo Vindice : "Rebellion is always an option!!"--Jim Robinson)
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To: rokkitapps
Because, aside from the big brother aspects, a smartphone is one of the most amazing tools you can have. You have the capability to access all the knowledge in the world and connect to every corner of the globe with an item smaller than a wallet.

Just one example- I was about half-way going between Vegas and Reno and my friend's engine started pinging and stalling at low rpm about an hour after filling up. The nearest station was 50 miles away (found instantly with my phone's GPS).

Within minutes in the middle of the desert, I downloaded the service manual for his car and was able to get the ECU to flash me a hidden trouble code(similar to morse code). It was a faulty knock sensor combined with bad gas. We found exactly which jumper to pull to override the sensor and run the car at a safe ignition timing all the way to Reno .

It is fully programmable so the things you can do with this thing are only limited by the imagination.

44 posted on 09/30/2011 7:35:36 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: varyouga

That’s pretty cool.. If I was heading through the desert, I may need one.. as it is, I am 10 min without internet on the way to work, and when I go on trips, (mostly know my way) I like to use maps, I like plotting my own route.

I guess I just give up the extra capability of cell internet.. I have an hp pad if I hit a wifi hotspot.. but obviously wouldn’t have helped in your situation..


45 posted on 09/30/2011 8:01:08 AM PDT by rokkitapps ( Hearings on healthcare waivers NOW! (If you agree make this your tagline))
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To: mnehring

The foreign version of the Samsung Galaxy please.


46 posted on 09/30/2011 8:03:23 AM PDT by rintense (Polls are for strippers and cross country skiing. ~ Sarah Palin, 9.3.11)
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To: cowboyway
That is surprising. I figured you would us smoke....

What do you take me for, some kind of Luddite? Now you'll have to excuse me, I have to get back to the cuneiform tablet I'm reading.

47 posted on 09/30/2011 9:26:20 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Hodar

Photos I take are already automatically loaded to my Google account for free, Google Music streams my music, all upgrades have been OTA.

Apple took the notification center straight from Android. They did improve it in some ways, but the idea was there for a good long while.


48 posted on 09/30/2011 8:41:18 PM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: jjsheridan5

When my old MyTouch, yeah the original very slow one, was updated to Android 2.2, it had full voice capability without using any outside apps. I could text, search, navigate etc just by holding down the search button for a second then speaking.

I now have a newer phone and the voice control still works great, just faster.


49 posted on 10/04/2011 11:09:44 AM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: PreciousLiberty

30,000 apps for Android, are you sure about that number?


50 posted on 10/04/2011 11:10:56 AM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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