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What to do with Romney?

Posted on 10/28/2011 10:01:28 AM PDT by EMG2012

Hi everyone-- I'm a longtime lurker of FR and just signed up to get your feedback about a question I am sure many of us are asking ourselves. As a lifelong conservative, I am concerned about the possibility (probability?) of Mitt Romney receiving the GOP nomination for president next year. Many of my friends are convinced Romney will win the nomination, but I am very concerned that if he were to get into office, he would not stand up for the conservative policies we desperately need after the past four years. I want Obama out of office more than anything, but how do I reconcile the possibility of supporting Romney? Is there a third party candidate to draft who could help us take back our country?

Any feedback from all of you is much appreciated-- I just don't know what to think at this point. Thanks!


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To: ExtremeUnction
I agree that the fix is in for Romney. And I don’t think anything can be done about it.

Mitt will likely win NH and little else.

The MSM and RINOs like Rove will say after NH, it's all over, Mitt's the one. Fox will be rabid for Mitt! (I only look at FOX when Sarah is on. I NEVER have FOX on otherwise)

We will just have to ignore these elite pigs and vote for a real conservative. There is no way Mitt wins SC and FL.

51 posted on 10/28/2011 11:13:11 AM PDT by sand88
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To: left that other site

Obama will be re-elected because the conditions that led to his election have not been reversed.


52 posted on 10/28/2011 11:17:35 AM PDT by Jim Noble (To live peacefully with credit-based consumption and fiat money, men would have to be angels.)
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To: ExtremeUnction
I agree that the fix is in for Romney. And I don’t think anything can be done about it.

It's not really a fix, it's more to the fact that Romney is just a more skilled candidate than the rest. He's pretty damn intelligent in the ways of politics. The reality is it takes a good politician to win. You can cry about how unconservative these guys are, but that's more to the fact that the America public is just not as conservative as some people claim they are.

If you look at most of history, Republican presidents were not all that conservative, but that does not mean that some conservative laws and initiatives did not win out when they were president. This has to be the most conservative POTUS candidature I can remember. It's national politics, you can't have your cake and eat it too. You win some and you lose some. That's the way it will always be unless your particular small interest groups crowns it's own king of the nation. Never going to happen until Jesus comes, and everyone will be surprised how unlike them He really is.

53 posted on 10/28/2011 11:17:41 AM PDT by Force of Truth (Intelligence and virtue are preferable in a candidate, but I'd much rather he or she be chinchy.)
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To: jonascord
The blind, my-party-right-or-wrong voting is what placed us here. If Romney gets the nomination, I'm voting for Obama.

With Barak in office for another 4 years, it should take about 18 months until CW2 starts. Then, we can take out the trash.

That's just crazy talk. You show a basic misunderstands of what national elections are. You are not going to get everyone to agree with your definition of a conservative on a national level. You probably think your very special however. This is why the liberals will always have their way in this country, because they know how to vote in massive groups, not for candidates who give them everthing they want, but at least for the candidate who will move their agendas forward more than the next guy.

54 posted on 10/28/2011 11:22:03 AM PDT by Force of Truth (Intelligence and virtue are preferable in a candidate, but I'd much rather he or she be chinchy.)
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To: sand88
Mitt will likely win NH and little else.

So what if you are wrong about this? Are you going to call people liberal because they don't believe this is true? Ridiculous.

55 posted on 10/28/2011 11:26:47 AM PDT by Force of Truth (Intelligence and virtue are preferable in a candidate, but I'd much rather he or she be chinchy.)
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To: Designer
why support a third party candidate, if it serves mainly to carve off part of the Republican vote?

If you control or strongly influence a number of votes that is significant in comparison to the likely margin of victory (millions), then "carving off part of the Republican vote" is a concern. If you're just one ordinary voter (like me) then your vote serves mainly to send a message to all the parties - and the question becomes, what message do you want to send?

56 posted on 10/28/2011 11:31:03 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies
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To: Force of Truth
Romney ISN'T a conservative. He is, at best, a RINO. 20% ot the US is unemployed, the US government is the single largest employer in the country, There are so many federal regulations controlling every facet of our lives that a paper copy of each one, collected, cannot be hauled by a freight train.

REPUBLICANS and Democrats are jointly responsible. Our "elected" overlords have voted themselves powers that rival or surpass the Roman Senate.

AND YOU THINK WE SHOULD SMILE AND TAKE IT IN THE ASS FOREVER!

There are a great many people, even including the poor deluded OWS types, that no longer think that a Civil War to overthrow the regime is silly or crazy. Filling ditches with Leftists, and their enablers, is approaching.

To sum up, national elections are an exercise in futility, meant only to foster the illusion that we have some kind of control over the Royalty. It's past time to start sharpening Guillotine blades. The technology to destroy millions, in massive groups, exists. It time to dust it off.

57 posted on 10/28/2011 12:11:08 PM PDT by jonascord (Politicians should be pelted with human manure, weekly, to remind them of their worth to society.)
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To: jonascord

“Romney ISN’T a conservative. He is, at best, a RINO.”


Don’t understand why Romney is called a RINO. What he is, is a CINO. He is a good Republican posing as a Conservative.


58 posted on 10/28/2011 12:15:44 PM PDT by ex-snook ("above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: EMG2012
Even George Will Gets It: "Romney, supposedly the Republican most electable next November, is a recidivist reviser of his principles who is not only becoming less electable, he might damage GOP chances of capturing the Senate" ...

Get lost Mitt!

59 posted on 10/28/2011 12:25:29 PM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: EMG2012

I still haven’t decided on a primary candidate. But come the general, I’m voting GOP, Romney or not. That’s a no-brainer.


61 posted on 10/28/2011 2:06:30 PM PDT by Huck (TAX TEA NOW==SUPPORT 9-9-9!)
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To: Force of Truth

So in your book lying panderer = good politician. It is obvious why you admire Mittens so much.


62 posted on 10/28/2011 2:21:11 PM PDT by Waryone (RINOs, Elites, and Socialists - on the endangered list, soon to become extinct.)
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To: left that other site
So the solution will be to overwhelm Romney in the Primaries with someone who can beat both him AND Obama.
. . . which is why, almost 2 years ago, I adopted my tagline, "Draft Palin"

I haven't abandoned it, even tho it looks like a long shot at this point with her having disavowed any plan to run. But then, a draft does not require a run by the person drafted, does it?

As I say, I adopted that tagline precisely because of the need to fend off a Romney run in '12. If we could have coalesced around a solid conservative, and I thought (and think) Palin was solid, we would have been able to nip the Romney/Establishment problem in the bud.


63 posted on 10/28/2011 2:21:29 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (DRAFT PALIN)
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To: jonascord

As if people not organized enough to win elections will be able to riot their way to power and maintain that power in a sensible manner or at all for that matter. Not voting is a form of surrender.


64 posted on 10/28/2011 4:01:39 PM PDT by Force of Truth (Intelligence and virtue are preferable in a candidate, but I'd much rather he or she be chinchy.)
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To: ExtremeUnction
I agree that the fix is in for Romney. And I don’t think anything can be done about it.

So, someone's already "fixed" your vote? Romney can't win unless a majority of Republican voters vote for him. Are you telling me that they have no choice, and MUST give him their vote?

If you really don't want Romney for our nominee, now's your chance to prevent it from happening. Educate everyone you know about his liberal record. Send emails. Post to Facebook. Get up and talk to your local Tea Party group.

Do whatever it takes, but don't sit there hanging your head as if there's nothing you can do to stop him.

65 posted on 10/28/2011 4:28:42 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Twotone
Obama is going to rule through executive order & I doubt the Republicans will fight him. We have GOT to get him out of there!

Then work your ever lovin' tail off for Herman Cain. If Romney is the last man standing, so many conservatives will stay home, Obama will win by default.

The Democrats know this, which is why they're handling Romney with kid gloves. They WANT him to be our nominee, precisely because they know that conservatives hate his guts.

66 posted on 10/28/2011 4:35:07 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: pallis
The only fix that will keep Herman Cain from winning is bickering among conservatives, and that should lessen when candidates start dropping out, and the race becomes the Tea Party against the establishment.

I think you're right, Pallis. The conservatives who are running in the single digits should consider falling on their swords for the good of the nation. We cannot afford to elect anyone but a red meat, take no prisoners, conservative reformer in 2012.

Johnson, Huntsman, Bachmann, Paul, Perry - all of them need to wake up and smell the coffee. They're not going to win this thing, but they sure can hand it to Romney if they all keep hanging on.

Add up their numbers (small as they are) and those votes would give Cain the decisive edge against Mitt in every state.

67 posted on 10/28/2011 4:58:23 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: ex-snook
Look at his record in Boston, (Mass being the city and some really distant suburbs.) His ideas, his willingness to negotiate with unions, rather than fight them, ain't gonna float, West of the Hudson. Look at his 2nd A record. Has anyone under his watch been arrested for the Big Dig boondoggle? Or have all the Statutes of Limitations expired, and the paperwork shredded?

We can't afford another "Republican" like Bush Jr. The TSA is a Bush production. I've always questioned why Bush didn't investigate Clinton, and the Wicked Witch of Park Ridge, Il, and indict the F%^kers. I suspect that he was afraid that the Dims would dig up the sins of the son.

68 posted on 10/28/2011 5:02:16 PM PDT by jonascord (Politicians should be pelted with human manure, weekly, to remind them of their worth to society.)
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To: Servant of the Cross; EMG2012
Your entire history is two Romney threads. No replies by you yet. Since you've been a "long time lurker" you must know that's a no-no? No?

Hmmm....... not a good indicator. Caught another newbie doing that, just the other day.

This one is begging for the Kitties to show up to play.

69 posted on 10/28/2011 5:03:32 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Force of Truth
it's pretty clear he is going to win at this point and he is the best chance to beat Obama.

Weak, and ever so wrong.

70 posted on 10/28/2011 5:07:17 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: jonascord
If Romney gets the nomination, I'm voting for Obama. With Barak in office for another 4 years, it should take about 18 months until CW2 starts. Then, we can take out the trash.

A bit counter-intuitive, but I get your logic. I'm almost there myself, but there's no way in HELL that I would ever pull a lever for the Kenyan Usurper. I'll write in Sarah Palin, and go home to clean my guns, if Mitt's the nominee.

71 posted on 10/28/2011 5:10:03 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: EMG2012; paulycy; 50mm; darkwing104

Knock. Knock.

72 posted on 10/28/2011 5:11:57 PM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Windflier
You're cute. You actually believe the national electoral process isn't rigged, that the "vote" is honestly a physical poll of the citizens of the United States.

There was an article, a few days ago, about security in the Chicago voting process. Look it up.

How about Senator "Smalley" and his "keep counting until the results are what we want..." method of electoral protest? Milwaukee and Dem Vandalism?

St. Louis and "Keep the polls open until we've finished stuffing the ballot boxes?"

How about the fight to keep voters from being verified as actually eligible?

If Romney wins, the Dow will limp along, more fed regulations will pass, more government intrusion will screw things tighter, and RINO supporters will dimly wonder why things aren't getting any better.

Then, one day the SS checks will bounce.

73 posted on 10/28/2011 5:17:27 PM PDT by jonascord (Politicians should be pelted with human manure, weekly, to remind them of their worth to society.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

I really Love Sarah. But she herself has expressed her desire NOT to be POTUS at this time. I think it would be disrespectful(as well as unconstitutional)to FORCE her!


74 posted on 10/28/2011 5:18:51 PM PDT by left that other site (Psalm 122:6)
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To: Jim Noble

Please, God, NO!


75 posted on 10/28/2011 5:21:28 PM PDT by left that other site (Psalm 122:6)
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To: Windflier

That is my intention! :-)


76 posted on 10/28/2011 5:26:10 PM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: jonascord

Well ok, you’ve surrendered. Now what?

What’s your plan going forward, or are you going to sit there trying to demoralize everyone who’s still got some fight left in them?


77 posted on 10/28/2011 5:35:16 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

>> Romney can’t win unless a majority of Republican voters vote for him <<

Not really correct. A plurality could very easily be all it would take.


78 posted on 10/28/2011 5:43:00 PM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: Hawthorn
A plurality could very easily be all it would take.

Well, of course. It's what I meant, in so many words.

79 posted on 10/28/2011 6:12:59 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: EMG2012; Servant of the Cross

80 posted on 10/28/2011 7:38:54 PM PDT by 50mm (Trust nobody and you'll never be disappointed.)
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To: Windflier
Some of us have figured out that the dice have been shaved, the roulette wheel is weighted, the cards are tapered. You stop playing the government's version of "Three Card Monte."

So, you keep making all the appropriate noises, but the sincerity is gone. You look at a Crown Vic as a target, estimating angles, ranges, chinks in the armor, as a mental exercise. You make sure you can find moth balls and sugar and Karo syrup and ammonium nitrate fertilizer and nitro methane fuel, (RC model airplane fuel, with various fractions of castor oil, and Estes electric matches.), in the shops. Not to buy, just to confirm locations, like a submarine checking the horizon before going deep, again. You know the dope to dial into the scope of the .30-06 for every 100 yards out to 800, for the full house loads with the 200 gr Sierra Matchking BTHP, the ones that flatten the primer when fired...

There are people who won't believe what's happened, and even after the cattle cars start rolling, making noises about, "They still need us, they're civilized, logical, there are LAWS!"

Have you picked out the material for the Yellow Star they want you to wear?

I haven't "surrendered." First you have to clear the Zone, and then you start making alternate plans.

Eventually, there will be the word "wolverine" spray painted on the side of a burned out police car... I hope I can remember how to spell it.

81 posted on 10/28/2011 8:48:31 PM PDT by jonascord (Politicians should be pelted with human manure, weekly, to remind them of their worth to society.)
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To: jonascord
You know the dope to dial into the scope of the .30-06 for every 100 yards out to 800, for the full house loads with the 200 gr Sierra Matchking BTHP, the ones that flatten the primer when fired...

I read you, but making doom and gloom comments on the board won't help rally the troop morale for such a time as you imagine.

82 posted on 10/28/2011 9:11:56 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Force of Truth
Voting for Slick Willard, the political weathervane for the polo pony set, is really surrender. It surrenders the party as well as the nation. If he is nominated, the GOP does not win but he has the chance to permanently destroy the Republican brand by flipflopping on abortion, gay everything, cap and trade, whatever foreign policy stupidities are demanded by his fellow elitists, gun rights, welfare schemes, etc. etc., etc. With Romney on the ballot, Republicans will be too busy using their barf bags to get to the polls.

Romneybots are not merely liberals but they are useless cowards in the 2012 warfare of our lives. They would squander our best opportunity to crush the left since Ronaldus Maximus.

Also rule out Huntsman and Paul.

Get down to business and choose an actual reliable conservative and ride the crest of the wave in 2012. Send Mittens packing permanently. We do not need a pampered trust fund baby as our standard bearer.

83 posted on 10/29/2011 2:03:00 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club: Burn 'em Bright!!!)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

Hi, Pete. See #83


84 posted on 10/29/2011 2:10:56 AM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club: Burn 'em Bright!!!)
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To: left that other site
I really Love Sarah. But she herself has expressed her desire NOT to be POTUS at this time. I think it would be disrespectful (as well as unconstitutional)to FORCE her!
Let's be serious; General William T. Sherman illustrated the situation perfectly when he responded to a "Draft Sherman" movement by saying, "If nominated I will not run, if elected I will not serve."
He said that because he actually did not want the nomination. He had to go to that explicit length in his denial because it is traditional that candidates be coy about their intentions/desires because it can be seen as presumptuous to consider one's own self to be the best qualified American for the job of President of the United States.

Gov. Palin hasn't seen fit to quote General Sherman, not least because nobody but me is saying that we should draft her. Whether or not she would reject a draft, we do not know. Knowing as we do that she accepted the vP nomination only three years ago, however, can we not agree that any assumption that she would reject a presidential nomination if tendered seems highly speculative?


85 posted on 10/29/2011 11:20:38 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (DRAFT PALIN)
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To: EMG2012

Seems quite obvious to me you’re just trolling.


86 posted on 10/29/2011 11:24:11 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ('If man is not governed by God, he will be ruled by tyrants.' -- William Penn)
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To: EMG2012
What to do with romney? JUST SAY "NO"!

Go Herman!

87 posted on 10/29/2011 12:15:30 PM PDT by mombonn (God is looking for spiritual fruit, not religious nuts.)
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To: Windflier
Morale is a personal thing, and to know that there are others out there is to learn when you are 13 or 14 that you are not the only one in the world that has THAT kind of dream...

I still go thru the motions, I just don't believe in the efficacy.

88 posted on 10/29/2011 5:53:25 PM PDT by jonascord (Politicians should be pelted with human manure, weekly, to remind them of their worth to society.)
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To: Twotone
As I posted in another thread, I will vote for the GOP candidate regardless of who it is, & will do everything I can to get the most conservative senators & representatives elected to push a RINO president in the right direction.

The GOP candidate will not be that degenerate liar and con man FLIP SLICK WILLARD RINO ROMNEY.

89 posted on 10/29/2011 6:00:55 PM PDT by Rome2000 (OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST CRYPTO-MUSLIM)
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To: jonascord
The Founders intended this to be a Republic, that's why a right to vote was left out of the Constitution.

Now that 4 Constitutional amendments and Motor Voter has made this into a Democracy, this government will collapse, as all democracies do.

Mass extermination of the domestic marxist enemy within isn't necessary or something that should even be joked about.

All that needs to happen is the following:

Senior military commanders need to round up the reds (the “Congressional Progressive Caucus” for starters) and put them on a couple of planes to Cuba.

Provisional military government for 6 months, then new elections for all congressional seats and the WH, incumbents need not apply.

Only tax paying citizens and veterans are enfranchised in the new Republic.

All amendments other than the original bill of rights are repealed.

The Capital is rotated every year to the State House of one of the Fifty States (no more DC Washingtonians)

“Dueling” legalized within Washington DC limits for good measure

Problem solved

90 posted on 10/29/2011 6:10:04 PM PDT by Rome2000 (OBAMA IS A COMMUNIST CRYPTO-MUSLIM)
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To: Rome2000

I certainly hope not! :-)


91 posted on 10/29/2011 6:38:57 PM PDT by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: jonascord
Morale is a personal thing...

Oh? Then why did Tokyo Rose spend so much time trying to demoralize the American troops in WWII?

A steady drumbeat of doom and gloom most certainly does affect the morale of those who are exposed to it. It's insidious, and can even be considered downright evil.

Feel like giving up, or going underground? Keep it to yourself. Those thoughts aren't going to encourage anyone else to stand and fight another day.

92 posted on 10/29/2011 7:27:46 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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