Skip to comments.Is Socialism's True Father - Satan?
Posted on 11/06/2011 1:07:59 PM PST by Olympiad Fisherman
Could Karl Marx and other foundational socialists, like Proudhon and Bakunin, have had a soft-spot for Lucifer? Would it even make sense to suggest anti-religious, godless persons could still salute Satan? This article is a brief investigation into whether socialism has any claim to fame as an ideology of not just atheists, but even diabolically minded people ...
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Socialism = idolatry. The government is the idol.
When you look to a government to provide your needs, rather than God, you violate the very first commandment, “Thou shalt have none other Gods before Me.”
Despite what one might think, economics is not morally or theologically neutral. Every business action supports a certain economic paradigm and in doing so, supports a certain and specific theology. Every businessperson needs to understand that taking a specific economic position gives insight into your view of theology, morality and God. These insights must be addressed because it will affect how you run your business....For a business owner, it could be whether you maximize your profits or how you compensate your employees, issues like that....Economics is certainly not morally or theologically neutral. To take a stance as a Marxist, Keynesian, or an Adam Smith Capitalist reveals insight into your view of man, God and redemption....
....These truths are not the same as capitalism. Yet capitalism is the one economic paradigm that is most congruent with Calvins teachings and the Biblical economic truths I mentioned....Calvin believed wealth cannot be evil because God chooses to bless some with wealth. But, whether wealthy or poor, Calvin and the Bible exhort us to be content with our economic positions in life and to live a life following his word, not chasing after wealth....People who think of Calvin as equating material prosperity with eternal destiny are misreading him. But if someone is in difficulty, then maybe that is where that person needs to be in this life for the sake of his eternal life. That may be an expression of Gods will.
-- from the thread How theology ties into economics
The great sin is Pride. Satan can get to us through many means, but Pride seems to be where we are usually most vulnerable.
Socialism is all about creating a perfect human society on earth. God, in his infinite wisdom, did not give us that -- but the Socialists will!! They know best, and they have the wisdom to make it happen!
Voegelin called it Immanentizing the eschaton.
That's why dopes who, like G.W. Bush and Rick Perry, think Islam is an honorable, peaceful "faith," have led us to disaster.
I believe Envy is tied with Pride. Just look at the OWS'ers. They have NO pride, but are full of Envy, which makes them violent.
Actually, you are wrong. If wealth reverted to the original owners, that would mean that people who made money initially and had the land could get it back. There is no way that could work today. Meanwhile, my many-times-great grandfather was left millions of acres of land by the Indians. Wish that reverted to me now!
The father of socialism is altruism. The term altruism was coined by Auguste Compte, a french philosopher who was a socialist and a statist.
I suppose that a better theologian than I, might argue that all sins are equally bad.
All socialists (communists) are satanists!
They believe in government instead of God. Washington is full of atheists who traded God for power.
More specifically, original ownership of one of the original plots of land within Israel's borders. There was no "wealth redistribution" per se. How many "original owners" do you think could have showed up to claim their chunk of land in the second Jubilee? At best, a claimant would have to prove lineage back to the original owner of said plot, and after several generations of dividing it amongst the heirs, the amount of land someone could legitimately (re)claim would end up as a token amount.
Ping to post #17
The land in Israel was originally distributed by families. Therefore, the Jubilee meant a levelling every fifty years per person. We should note that there was no prohibition against income inequality during the fifty years as long as the widows, the poor and the stranger were taken care of and God received his due, but in the long run, God’s ideal was that there be no perpetual rich or poor class.
Thanks for posting this, it’s very informative.
I knew the Commies were godless, I never knew they were devil worshipers.
Good to know.
Their twisted beliefs are certainly manifest at the OWS nonsense.
But, of course, it is not nonsense. And I shouldn’t say it is. It is a war and we are their enemies.
The left will NEVER stop, not until they are crushed totally beneath the boot heel of history.
I don't know enough to be either for it or against it, but I know that socialism has certainly failed and (frankly) when I look at America as we approach a truly global economy, I wonder if capitalism might also be a failure. Our workers are trying to compete with Chinese peasants who earn $5 a day and who expect no benefits and who are willing to die at 50 and live alongside polluted rivers. Under a capitalist system, American workers will not succeed against competition like that. We will simply have no jobs and/or no decent standard of living.
At the very least, Distributism is worth a look.
>>At best, a claimant would have to prove lineage back to the original owner of said plot, and after several generations of dividing it amongst the heirs, the amount of land someone could legitimately (re)claim would end up as a token amount.
I don’t think it would have been divided amongst the heirs. They tended to give all to the firstborn son.
No, you’re correct. They are all equally bad. I think things just happen to get worse when people start combining them.
Check out Marx's doctoral dissertation with its draft preface that closes:
Philosophy, as long as a drop of blood shall pulse in its world-subduing and absolutely free heart, will never grow tired of answering its adversaries with the cry of Epicurus:
"Not the man who denies the gods worshipped by the multitude, but he who affirms of the gods what the multitude believes about them, is truly impious."
Philosophy makes no secret of it. The confession of Prometheus:
"In simple words, I hate the pack of gods"
[Aeschylus, Prometheus Bound]
is its own confession, its own aphorism against all heavenly and earthly gods who do not acknowledge human self-consciousness as the highest divinity. It will have none other beside.
But to those poor March hares who rejoice over the apparently worsened civil position of philosophy, it responds again, as Prometheus replied to the servant of the gods, Hermes:
"Be sure of this, I would not change my state
Of evil fortune for your servitude.
Better to be the servant of this rock
Than to be faithful boy to Father Zeus."
Prometheus is the most eminent saint and martyr in the philosophical calendar.
Alinsky's dedication of Rules for Radicals to Lucifer is in the same tradition.
Whether you want to take Alinsky literally or translate Marx's Prometheus as Lucifer is something people will argue about for a long time without coming to any certain resolution.
Of the total number of people murdered in the 20th century, both civilian and military, by far the largest percentage were victims of the communist/socialist ideology.
It's hard to compete against slave labor. But long run, I have some big doubts over the ability of the Chinese to forever keep their people so under the thumb.
Very interesting/informative article. Thanks for posting.
Very interesting/informative thread. Thanks to all posters.
From “The Law” Frederic Bastiat 1801-1850...
“Above all, if you wish to be strong, begin by rooting out every particle of socialism that may have crept into your legislation. This will be no light task.”
DEFUND socialist collectives, foreign and domestic.
DEPOPULATE socialists and RINOS (Republicans Implementing Nuances Of Socialism) from Congress.
Take a good hard look at it. It would take tyranny to establish it, and tyranny to maintain it. It doesn't just say no one should be rich, it would actively prevent anyone from becoming rich.
Quick answer is YES!
Great read on Liberalism, which speaks about faith, real world, and Satan’s involvement in Liberalism. written over a century ago yet sounds just like today’s conversations in so many ways. Check out pages 86-92 for quick definitions on the Symptoms of Liberalism.
There is no question that Calvinism provided the theological framework for progress and economic development that the west has taken for granted and distorted. Calvinism set aside both pagan hesitations and even some Catholic backwardness that kept an artificial religious order not subscribed by the Bible. Furthermore, not all of God’s blessings are heaven related.
Read Ezekiel 28:12-17 and Isaiah 14:12-14. Is Ezekiel talking about the king of Tyre or of Satan? Is Isaiah talking about the king of Babylon or Satan? How about Genesis 3 - are we talking about the serpent or Satan?
Thanks - yes - take a look at this particular article from Gulagbound written a few months back - http://gulagbound.com/17741/the-absurdity-of-karl-marxs-dialectical-fundamentalism/. Another good article written by the same author can be found here - http://www.theignorantfishermen.com/2010/06/secular-fundamentalism-profane-prophecy.html.
He is according to Bill Ayres.
Natures Economy in the Old Testament
God is Creator/Owner of Nature (Gen 1; Ps 50)
Polytheism & Idolatry & Nature Worship were Forbidden (Ex 20:1-5; Deut 4:15-19; 2 Hos 4:12-13; Jer 2:20; Ezk 6:13)
Nature was Made for Man to Rule, Guard & Cultivate (Gen 1:26-28; 2:15; 9:3; Ps 8)
The World is Designed to be Filled with Population (Gen 1:26-28; 9:1)
Animals are to be Cared for (Gen 6; Ex 23:19; Prov 27:23)
Freedom Under the Rule of Law is Assumed (Exodus; Deuteronomy)
The Natural World is to be Farmed & Mined for Human Development (Deut 8:1-20)
Agricultural & Financial Blessing Based on Disciplined Obedience to God (Deut 28; Proverbs)
Private Property is to be Protected by Redemption Rights (Lev 25:23-34; Prov 23:10-11; Deut 23:24-25)
Mosaic Economy Extolled the Virtues of Small Business & International Trade (Proverbs 31:10-31)
Making Wealth Provides Opportunity for Generosity (Prov 31:20)
Diversify Portfolio Portion for your Protection (Eccl 11:2)
Credit Economy & Debt was Frowned upon but Not Illegal (Lev 25:1-22; 35-38; Deut 23:19-23)
Charging Interest was Illegal for Hebrews but not for Aliens (Ex 22:25; Deut 23:19-20)
Aliens Living in the Promised Land are to be Treated Well (Lev 19:34)
Hebrews were Forbidden to Develop Idolatrous Practices of the Multicultural World around them inside the Promised Land (Deut 12:1-4; 2 Kings 17:7-18; )
Oppression was Forbidden (Deut 24:14)
Biblical Wisdom is Better than Riches (Prov 20:15; 23:4-5)
Being Generous to the Poor was not Government Welfare but was Expected of Private Individuals Poor People had to Work (Lev 19:10; 23:22; Isa 58:7-12)
Government Welfare was Frowned upon (Num 11:1-6)
Do not be Partial to the Poor Simply Because they are Poor (Ex 23:3)
Poverty is an Unfortunate Fact of Life (Deut 15:1-11)
Thorns & Thistles Result from Farming as Pollution is also a Natural By-Product of Making Wealth (Gen 3:17-19; Prov 14:4)
The Election of Kings Invites Oppression (1 Sam 8:1-22)
Kings are Subject to the Mosaic Law just as any other Citizen (Deut 17:14-20)
Division of Powers Between King, Priest and Prophet was assumed (2 Sam 12:1-15; 2 Chron 26:16-23)
“Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD” (Psalm 33:12)
I wonder, is the LORD still the God of America? or has he been forgotten?
Does conservatism stand true to biblical truth? If not, is politics enough to save our country?
See post 35!
See post 35!
See post 33 and the good articles posted there. Comte was also a progressive.
Karl watched most of his kids die from disease and malnutrition while he drank, smoked cigars, and plotted in a windowless tenement with his fellow imps. No devil there....
50 years is an awfully long time to wait to have all the debts paid back! Many, if not most people would have died before receiving the benefits of it.
Richard Wurmbrand, a pastor who had been persecuted by the Communists while in Eastern Europe, has written extensively about the ties between Karl Marx and Satanism.
Thanks. I will be sure to read them.
Any political philosophy that results in the enslavement of the citizens is supported and fostered by Satan.I would have no qualms referring to Carl Marx, Van Jones, Valerie Jarret, Obama ET AL as servants of or minions of Satan.
By his own twisted logic everything he touches must fail or he will have written his own reason for being out of existence, by creating a success for man.
Involving him in anything is a ticket to doom.
So it has been with all forms of socialism.
Envy and pride are both contained in the 10 commandments.
I don’t know what Distributionism is, but I think that some of the roots of socialism are found in Catholic social teaching.
“Socialism = idolatry. The government is the idol.
When you look to a government to provide your needs, rather than God, you violate the very first commandment, Thou shalt have none other Gods before Me.
Jehovah Jireh my Provider
of course not
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