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Self-defense Devices Other Than Guns
self ^ | 11/ | A Navy Vet

Posted on 11/10/2011 9:07:50 PM PST by A Navy Vet

Things are getting dicey. While some States allow gun open carry and others allow concealed or both, many good folks just don't want to have to carry all the time.

While I wish all good citizens would carry, here is an alternative for those who still would defend themselves and those innocents around them.


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Stun guns and tasers are the alternative. They are still, surprisingly, legal in most States, with some restrictions. See below:

State Taser/Stun Gun Restrictions .

1 posted on 11/10/2011 9:07:54 PM PST by A Navy Vet
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To: A Navy Vet

Mindset.


2 posted on 11/10/2011 9:10:59 PM PST by real saxophonist (The fact that you play tuba doesn't make you any less lethal. -USMC bandsman in Iraq)
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To: A Navy Vet

Everything is a weapon.


3 posted on 11/10/2011 9:12:47 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: A Navy Vet

One also has to be careful about carrying bladed weapons and laws involving that. In some cases, you could have less problems carrying a gun than a long knife. Pepper spray is an option that could cause some of the least legal issues.

The best thing is to know your local laws and become proficient with whatever you choose to carry.

A good Krav Maga class can teach you how to use almost anything as an effective defensive weapon.


4 posted on 11/10/2011 9:13:37 PM PST by mnehring
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To: A Navy Vet

A really ugly woman.


5 posted on 11/10/2011 9:14:47 PM PST by montyspython (This thread needs more cowbell)
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To: A Navy Vet

I’ve watched too many YouTube videos to consider using a stun gun for anything but inflicting pain on a sneering protestor.

My backup is a collapsible baton.


6 posted on 11/10/2011 9:18:44 PM PST by papertyger (What has islam ever accomplished that treacherous, opportunistic, brutality couldn't do on its own?)
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To: A Navy Vet; mnehring
wasp spray is supposed to be good. Of course the followup might need to be something like a baseball bat rather than a fly swatter.
7 posted on 11/10/2011 9:18:48 PM PST by GILTN1stborn (Can you hear me now?)
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To: A Navy Vet

I liked the big guy, the Viet Vet in some campy old go back to Nam movie who carried a grenade around his neck. Said something like, “if I get bored, I’ll pull the pin and check out the other side.”


8 posted on 11/10/2011 9:19:11 PM PST by Dogbert41 (Israel is real:))
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To: A Navy Vet

I personally like the “Blast Knuckles”. Once you wrap your fingers around the holes, it would be difficult for an assailant to take from you, unlike other stuns guns that can be knocked out your hand.

Tip: If you buy this device, use some white-out to paint the ON switch on the back since it is black and blends into the rest of the gun. Easier turn on. In case you missed the video, the trigger mechanism is in the pointer finger hole, after you turned the front switch on.

Of course you can always go taser if you want to keep a certain distance away from your assailant, but they are big bulky and you have to aim, and not something you carry in your purse or pocket.

Again, the “Blaster” item is legal in most States, with some restrictions. Check out your local laws, but this and other stun guns are excellent deterents if carrying a gun is not an option.


9 posted on 11/10/2011 9:24:57 PM PST by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever.)
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To: A Navy Vet

I like to throw knives :D

Up close and personal, I go for Sypderco Harpy.

For pesky dogs, bears, Occupiers, commies, and or hippies - Bear mace!

If all else fails - Tomahawk go!


10 posted on 11/10/2011 9:25:02 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: A Navy Vet

That’s interesting...I live in IL (sadly, the last CCW holdout), and did not realize tasers are legal. Better hope our idiot legislature/governor don’t read this or they will be! Not as good an option in some ways, but better in others.


11 posted on 11/10/2011 9:25:17 PM PST by bigbob
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To: A Navy Vet
baseball bat
"Batter up!"
12 posted on 11/10/2011 9:27:23 PM PST by Alex Murphy (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2703506/posts?page=518#518)
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To: A Navy Vet
http://www.khukuriimports.co.nz/user/gimage/KILK13GurkhaService1_300_158.JPG

In the right hands this Khukuri is a prettu good substitute for a gun

13 posted on 11/10/2011 9:28:20 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: TigersEye
Everything is a weapon.

Yep. But the mind is the best. If the mindset isn't there, nothing else will suffice.

14 posted on 11/10/2011 9:28:20 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: real saxophonist

“Mindset”. Have no clue what you mean.


15 posted on 11/10/2011 9:31:59 PM PST by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever.)
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To: TigersEye
"Everything is a weapon."

Of course, if you're trained and practice. This article is for those who need self-defense without going through months of hand-to-hand and/or are older.

16 posted on 11/10/2011 9:34:28 PM PST by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever.)
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To: A Navy Vet

Excellent info. Thanks.


17 posted on 11/10/2011 9:37:50 PM PST by davisfh
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To: Texas Fossil

That’s my favorite weapon and tool.


18 posted on 11/10/2011 9:45:30 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Mindset is what makes everything a weapon. Otherwise everything is just another object.


19 posted on 11/10/2011 9:46:45 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: mnehring

“One also has to be careful about carrying bladed weapons and laws involving that. In some cases, you could have less problems carrying a gun than a long knife.”

Yes. Some States don’t allow carry for anything over a 6” blade...or is that 4”?

“Pepper spray is an option that could cause some of the least legal issues.”

I don’t believe “pepper spray” is a good deterrent. There’s been too many examples of intoxicated bad guys who kept on coming after getting sprayed. The historical example is Rodney King.

“The best thing is to know your local laws and become proficient with whatever you choose to carry.”

Absolutely.

“A good Krav Maga class can teach you how to use almost anything as an effective defensive weapon.”

Yes, but what about us older folks who can’t train in that martial art? I’m 61 and don’t have the energy or strength for that type of training, much less a frail woman. Plus, it teaches you to maim, when you may only need to deter. A zap with a stun gun or taser will put the punk down, and give you the opportunity to run...that’s also something Krav Maga teaches. Who needs a lawsuit for putting out someone’s eye when you can just zap them and leave?


20 posted on 11/10/2011 9:47:12 PM PST by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever.)
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To: Dogbert41

I remember than one! That was Tex Cobb as “Sailor” in the movie Uncommon Valor. Cobb had some great one-liners. My favorite being “Boy, you just bought the whole can of whup-ass!”


21 posted on 11/10/2011 9:49:54 PM PST by DemforBush (Send lawyers, guns, and money. Dad get me out of this!)
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To: papertyger
"My backup is a collapsible baton."

I used to have a couple (handy little items if you know where to hit). Also, was trained in a PR24 baton while Shore Patrol in the Navy. That's all good if you can use it like in the movies, but since most of us older or non-trained folks can't, zapping there ass actually works. They fall to the ground. Then beat feet! Ha!

22 posted on 11/10/2011 9:52:34 PM PST by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever.)
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To: A Navy Vet
Good thread

I did a little research/testing of alternate self-defense products for my wife to carry from her car into work. After considering a couple of products and trying a few out, this is what I settled on:

Mace Pepper Gel Night Defender

This is a pepper gel that that is effective out to about 10 or 15 feet. I decided to go with the gel instead of the spray to minimize the risk of her getting blow back or if she had to use it in close quarters.

The gel completely coats the face and it will grind deeper into the skin when the bad guy goes to wipe his face. (I am taking them at their word, I did not personally verify that claim).

After the fact the product coats the skin of the bad guy(s) with a UV dye for later identification if necessary.

23 posted on 11/10/2011 9:53:00 PM PST by voteNRA (A citizenry armed with rifles simply cannot be tyrannized)
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To: GILTN1stborn
"wasp spray is supposed to be good."

Wasp spray is an excellent deterrent, but never seen it other than a full size can. If they make it in a pocket size, please let me know. Although, if not careful, it could come back to you.

24 posted on 11/10/2011 9:55:51 PM PST by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever.)
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To: A Navy Vet
I don't have a lot of training but I have just always looked at whatever is around as a potential weapon. I did it spontaneously a couple of times when I was a kid. Surprised me almost as much as it did my antagonists.

I get your point though. I have a pocket folder and pepper spray as firearms alternatives. A stun gun would definitely beat opening someone up with a knife and take less skill.

25 posted on 11/10/2011 10:00:15 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: A Navy Vet

He means, you are mentally-trained to take out your opponent, without hesitation or concer for his well being.


26 posted on 11/10/2011 10:00:48 PM PST by Jonty30
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To: A Navy Vet

I hear that a blue ringed octopus can inflict some serious damage.


27 posted on 11/10/2011 10:02:41 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Ah, the old Hope-a-Dope.)
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To: davisfh
"Excellent info. Thanks."

You're welcome. Just look up your State laws and buy the "zapper" that you think works best. However, I will say again that tasers are too big and bulky. Look at the site. The stun guns come in all different sizes and configurations. Like I said above, I like the "Blaster Knuckle" because it is pocket size and once wrapped around your hand, there is little chance of anyone taking it from you. Just push the buttom, and down he goes. If not, he will at least back off in pain - time to let you get away.

28 posted on 11/10/2011 10:03:19 PM PST by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever.)
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To: A Navy Vet

Pepper spray and Tasers have both come a long way since Rodney King.
I can point you to a thread full of people who have ‘ridden the lightning’ and been OC’d, and they all say they’d rather be Tasered again.
Get some Fox Labs 5.3, and you’ll be good to go.


29 posted on 11/10/2011 10:04:20 PM PST by real saxophonist (The fact that you play tuba doesn't make you any less lethal. -USMC bandsman in Iraq)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Although a venomous cone snail is more convenient to carry.


30 posted on 11/10/2011 10:04:26 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Ah, the old Hope-a-Dope.)
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To: A Navy Vet
You can get a cheap crossbow for under a hundred dollars. But it will give you one chance to put a bolt through a bad guy. It is much nicer to have at least a few backup rounds.

My friend has a 45 caliber air rifle that shoots 180gr bullets at over 750fps when filled to 3000psi. It is bolt action and it will shoot several rounds before losing a lot of it's oomph. We cast our own projectiles. It is not considered a firearm anywhere that I know of. The first several rounds all pack considerably more energy than a .22 cal rifle.

My friends has a different gun than the one pictured below. His has a larger air resevoir and it costs more. I couldn't find a picture online. I have never purchased anything from airgundepot.com, but included the link so you could see specs and approximately what they cost.

Angry face http://www.airgundepot.com/samyang-909-rifle.html

31 posted on 11/10/2011 10:07:42 PM PST by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: DemforBush

That was it! I couldn’t remember the name!


32 posted on 11/10/2011 10:08:13 PM PST by Dogbert41 (Israel is real:))
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To: DemforBush

That was it! I couldn’t remember the name!


33 posted on 11/10/2011 10:08:22 PM PST by Dogbert41 (Israel is real:))
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To: A Navy Vet; GILTN1stborn

There is some controversy over the effectiveness of wasp spray to take down an opponent.

If you spray it the face, a good strong pepper spray will immediately blind the assailant every time. That’s a good thing.


34 posted on 11/10/2011 10:10:14 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Ah, the old Hope-a-Dope.)
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To: voteNRA

thanks for the link


35 posted on 11/10/2011 10:10:16 PM PST by Ditter
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To: A Navy Vet

As an aside, I bet in many states the ‘Blaster Knuckle’, no matter its composition or purpose, falls under ‘brass knuckle’ laws. So double double check one’s state laws.


36 posted on 11/10/2011 10:14:21 PM PST by real saxophonist (The fact that you play tuba doesn't make you any less lethal. -USMC bandsman in Iraq)
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To: TigersEye
I have just always looked at whatever is around as a potential weapon.

You are practicing zanshin.

37 posted on 11/10/2011 10:16:50 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Ah, the old Hope-a-Dope.)
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To: Ditter
You're welcome, at one time there was a good youtube demonstration but it seems to have gone missing. All I could find was some guy playing with the LED light feature.

Night Defender

38 posted on 11/10/2011 10:18:49 PM PST by voteNRA (A citizenry armed with rifles simply cannot be tyrannized)
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To: GILTN1stborn

I know of some women who carry a small nasal spray squeeze bottle, full of household ammonia.


39 posted on 11/10/2011 10:23:44 PM PST by Sea Parrot
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To: A Navy Vet

Here in AZ where no permit CC is OK, Wife and I both carry .380 pistols with 13 rd hi cap mags.


40 posted on 11/10/2011 10:28:07 PM PST by Sea Parrot
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To: voteNRA

I carry wasp spray in my Tahoe but this stuff looks better. I am going to order some. It will make nice gifts too LOL!


41 posted on 11/10/2011 10:28:11 PM PST by Ditter
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To: A Navy Vet

Meat clever


42 posted on 11/10/2011 10:33:29 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Jeff Chandler
Thanks for putting a name to it. Is that Japanese for 'my last nerve snapped?' lol

I did it automatically those two times when I was a kid. Since then I have consciously considered my surroundings in that light and taken note of the anecdotes others have told about weapons of convenience and how to use them. Tools dedicated to the task are great but it's good to consider alternatives.

43 posted on 11/10/2011 10:36:39 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Ditter
I bought 2 of these and tested one out as well.

Kimber PepperBlaster II

She takes this when jogging because its easier to carry than the mace can.

44 posted on 11/10/2011 10:40:17 PM PST by voteNRA (A citizenry armed with rifles simply cannot be tyrannized)
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To: mylife
Meet Cleaver.


45 posted on 11/10/2011 10:41:01 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: A Navy Vet

Krav Maga is actually a very good art for people who aren’t strong. I’m a small woman, only took a few KM classes because it was too far away, but in terms of self defense it’s a lot more practical than most karate classes. And the instructors take your size and strength into account and teach you techniques you can actually carry off.

Anyway, if I ever have to fight, I’ll figure my opponent is deterred if he’s running away or incapacitated. Anything less than my utmost might not be enough, my utmost might not be enough, so why do less?

Best thing I ever learned from martial arts was that it’s better to avoid fights. Deterrence is awareness, trusting your instincts, avoiding risky situations, carrying yourself with alert confidence.


46 posted on 11/10/2011 10:42:37 PM PST by heartwood
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To: Jeff Chandler
Check out this cool little tool ... SureFire E2D LED Defender, Dual Output

First LED setting is for 15 lumens, normal use ... then hit the switch for 200 lumens !!! to blind an aggressive individual, and if the situation continues to escalate, a solid rap to the forehead with the serrated/crenellated Strike Bezel will send enough blood pouring into the perps eyes to neutralize most events.

47 posted on 11/10/2011 10:44:13 PM PST by CIBvet (So how's all this FAST TRACKED - FREE TRADE workin' out for you so far, Comrade Job-Seekers ?)
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To: voteNRA

I like the fact that it won’t blow back in your face. A friends husband was out on the end of his drive and his dog was with him. A jogger ran by and I guess he thought the dog was going to chase him (it didn’t) but he sprayed the dog. It blew into the man’s and he had such a bad reaction his wife had to take him to the ER.


48 posted on 11/10/2011 10:45:09 PM PST by Ditter
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To: voteNRA

That gel thing sounds pretty good. My problem with pepper spray was about being an aerosol that could come back in your face or the wind blow it away from the attacker.

Does it shoot out in a stream like wasp spray? If so, that could be really nasty.


49 posted on 11/10/2011 10:49:32 PM PST by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever.)
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To: A Navy Vet
Couldn't find a picture of old Paladin using pepper spray or a taser, but the thread is an excuse for a FReepathon bump:

It's not like we have Paladin from the old
"Have Gun Will Travel" asking for
donations............Just saying.

DONATE

50 posted on 11/10/2011 10:51:39 PM PST by The Cajun (Palin, Free Republic, Mark Levin, Rush, Hannity......Nuff said.)
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