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ATF: In-Home inspections are just one of the many services we offer!
The truth about Gund ^ | 8-2-2011 | Brad Kozak

Posted on 11/16/2011 1:30:33 PM PST by mojitojoe

You gotta hand it to those overachievers at the ATF(E and sometimes RBFs). Up to their asses in alligators over Fast & Furious, called in to investigate a local law enforcement peccadillo, and yet they still find time to reach out and touch someone(s). In this case, the someones would be those buyers who made the faux pas of buying more than one gun inside a five-day period. So how does this new Community Outreach Program work?

(Excerpt) Read more at thetruthaboutguns.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; atf; banglist; batfeisajoke; bloodoftyrants; bootthebatfe; corruption; donntreadonme; ericholder; fastandfurious; govtabuse; guncontrol; lping; rapeofliberty; tyranny; waronliberty
So let’s say you have a cordial, long-standing relationship with your local sporting goods emporium. You buy all your stuff there – guns, ammo, supplies. Been dealing with them for years. Over the decades, you’re into them for some serious coin, and they know it. Which is why, as one of their best customers, you’re treated like family. (Not like MY family mind you – but “family” in the Norman Rockwell sense of the word.)

You buy that 30.06 you’ve had your eye on for a while. Later that week, you get to thinking that it might be a good idea to check out those series 4 Glocks for home defense. Can’t be too careful. So you buy one. No worries, you hand over your CHL and the store does another instant check, which you pass with flying colors. You head home. A few days later, you get a knock at your door.

A couple of guys that look as if they stepped right out of Men in Black greet you from behind their Ray Bans. They’re from the ATF, and have some questions for you as to why you bought more than one firearm in such a short period of time. You wonder, “why are these guys bothering me, an upstanding citizen?” This thought is followed shortly thereafter by “What business is it of theirs how many guns I buy – or own,” and “How in the Sam Hill did they know about my recent gun purchases?”

Nice. Warrantless, forced/coerced searches. Intimidation. Threats. All in day’s work over at Jackbooted Thugs ‘R’ Us, but the home delivery angle is a new wrinkle. The “softer side” of the ATF? Hardly. Here’s the kicker:

This is all based on a directive from the federal government that is completely outside of the law and unconstitutional. The law that would have required gun dealers in border states to report sales of two or more semi-automatic rifles to the ATF was “stripped entirely from the text of the regulation” when it came up for a vote in Congress on April 15, but as part of the Obama administration’s dictatorial zeal to accomplish its agenda outside of the law, the program is going ahead anyway.

The federal government is enforcing a law that was never passed. Click link for entire article.

1 posted on 11/16/2011 1:30:35 PM PST by mojitojoe
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To: Las Vegas Ron; manc; Candor7; Travis McGee; LucyT; rodguy911; bushpilot1; little jeremiah; ...

ATF ping, and this is happening in states OTHER than the ones discussed in the article.


2 posted on 11/16/2011 1:33:47 PM PST by mojitojoe (WH says potus didn’t feel the earthquake. No worries. Another is scheduled for November 2012)
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To: mojitojoe

http://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/ixd9w/question_about_atf_checking_gun_purchases/


3 posted on 11/16/2011 1:41:27 PM PST by mojitojoe (WH says potus didn’t feel the earthquake. No worries. Another is scheduled for November 2012)
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To: mojitojoe

Ping! They try that BS at my home, I’ll tell em’ to pound sand if they don’t have a warrant. If they still proceed, it’ll get ugly.


4 posted on 11/16/2011 1:44:47 PM PST by GunPkrBkr (I'd rather be judged by twelve, than carried by six.)
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To: mojitojoe; Las Vegas Ron; manc; Candor7; Travis McGee; LucyT; rodguy911; bushpilot1; ...

Reserve your rights:

UCC 1-308/ 1-207
Without prejudice.


5 posted on 11/16/2011 1:45:40 PM PST by phockthis
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To: mojitojoe

Tenth Circuit: Warrantless Search Gained by Consent Produced Inadmissible Evidence as Entry Was Gained through Coercion and Trickery

http://cbaclelegalconnection.com/2011/05/tenth-circuit-warrantless-search-gained-by-consent-produced-inadmissible-evidence-as-entry-was-gained-through-coercion-and-trickery/


6 posted on 11/16/2011 1:46:17 PM PST by mojitojoe (WH says potus didn’t feel the earthquake. No worries. Another is scheduled for November 2012)
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To: mojitojoe

Step 1. Step outside your home and close the door.

Step 2. Ask for the officers’ ID. Write down their names and numbers.

Step 3. Ask if they have a warrant. If they can’t produce one, tell them that if they don’t leave, they’re trespassing and you’ll call the Sheriff.

Step 4. NOW if they don’t leave, I’d think you have legal cause against them, even personally.


7 posted on 11/16/2011 2:37:58 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: mojitojoe

it’s sickening pal and don’t expect our pro cross dressing , pro homo, pro liberal media to go on about this even thought the very same Govt is gun running to Mexican cartels.

Which reminds me. Remember when the Mexican President came to DC and he and others in the Dem party and white house complained about guns coming from America and how they called for gun control.

Two years later we find out it was this admin selling those guns and not a peep from our crap we call the media.


8 posted on 11/16/2011 2:41:11 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman. I HATE OUR BIAS LIBERAL CORRUPT MEDIA)
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9 posted on 11/16/2011 2:45:47 PM PST by RedMDer (Forward With Confidence!)
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To: manc

I think the ATF is hoping that they can go around and find a bunch of people that no longer have the guns they purchased, amount a huge number to throw out there and blame the guns in Mexico on we, the people instead of Holder and his gang of thugs.


10 posted on 11/16/2011 3:19:02 PM PST by mojitojoe (WH says potus didn’t feel the earthquake. No worries. Another is scheduled for November 2012)
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To: Still Thinking

If you do that, they will serve you and you have to go a hearing and explain why you didn’t show them or they will get a warrant, if they can. Seems to me the burden of proof it on them. If one wants to purchase 50 guns in a week, it’s none of their business as long as they were purchased legally. If they have reason to believe you are selling guns to Mexico or whomever, they should have to have some proof other than the fact that you purchased guns which you constitutionally have the right to do. FTATF!


11 posted on 11/16/2011 3:22:39 PM PST by mojitojoe (WH says potus didn’t feel the earthquake. No worries. Another is scheduled for November 2012)
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To: phockthis

http://truthpills.wordpress.com/2009/02/03/without-prejudice-ucc-1207-1-308/


12 posted on 11/16/2011 3:28:01 PM PST by mojitojoe (WH says potus didn’t feel the earthquake. No worries. Another is scheduled for November 2012)
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To: mojitojoe
If you do that, they will serve you and you have to go a hearing and explain why you didn’t show them or they will get a warrant, if they can.

If they can hold you accountable for not volunteering to show them stuff (including answering questions) on a warrant-less request, then the whole warrant process is meaningless. You're not required to volunteer anything to LEO's, and barring exigent circumstances, etc., how can they justify continuing presence on private property when they don't have a warrant and the property owner has made it clear that he's not giving voluntary permission for their presence?

13 posted on 11/16/2011 3:32:51 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: mojitojoe

exactly
it is easy for some of us to sit here and say “well if they come to my house I will do” this and that’, but the fact is when two guys from the feds come then the situation is closer to home.

There is no law that states we have to purchase one gun a month etc.
It is none of their business if these guns were bought legally and one thing is for sure. The feds do this but ignore their own gun running.

I want Holder to be removed, charged, and then sued off the family, correction all the families which suffered from these guns being sold to the Mexican drug lords.

One reason why I hate the media is that they are ignoring this issue.

I’ve told my kids time and time again that no one should ever tell you that you do have a 2nd amendment.

How some areas of this country still ban guns is sick but I did hear that congress is voting on a bill which will make it easier to go around the country with my sidearm.

If I want to go to another state I have to check if that state lets me bring my gun in, which is stupid where does it state in the second amendment that.


14 posted on 11/16/2011 4:19:00 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman. I HATE OUR BIAS LIBERAL CORRUPT MEDIA)
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To: mojitojoe

I have been finding some VERY interesting info on “Commercial Liens”:

http://www.buildfreedom.com/tl/comliens.shtml

Private Matter

The Commercial Affidavit Process places the full power of justice back in the hands of the common man. It cannot be overstated that the whole Commercial Affidavit Process is not dependent on the court system. It functions quite well on its own outside the current legal system.

It needs to be thoroughly understood that because it is driven by SWORN TRUTH, the Commercial Affidavit Process is outside the jurisdiction of any equity court. It is a private contract matter. Should an attempt be made to involve an equity court it would result in a trespass against the Affiant’s rights: those interfering individuals, who were unlawfully involved, would themselves become one of the accused. An equity court has no jurisdiction whatsoever, for the CAP is strictly a non-judicial or pre-judicial process between individuals and is private.

This alone presents a very real dilemma for those who are accustomed to using the legal system to work wrongs and trespass against others with seeming impunity. They can’t hide behind a legal system that only dispenses justice to those who can afford to play the game. Those who are used to shielding themselves under “sovereign immunity” protections, hiding behind legions of attorneys and judges, and using other “legal tricks” now have none of this protection.

NO judge, court, law, or government can invalidate these commercial processes, i.e., an affidavit or complaint or a lien based thereon because no third party can invalidate someone’s affidavit of truth. A judge CANNOT interfere with, tamper with, or in any way modify testimony without disintegrating the truth-seeking process of his profession, destroying the very fabric of his own occupation and abrogating the First Amendment which was established to protect truth. For a judge to interfere with testimony is to commit professional suicide and to invite countless civil and criminal repercussions. ANYONE who tampers with testimony is a threat to the peace and security of society, violating its laws and acting as its enemy and is therefore justifiably subject to the appropriate penalties. The Commercial Affidavit Process is by its very nature private, and strictly between parties of interest, only. It is unequivocally non-judicial.


15 posted on 11/16/2011 5:26:59 PM PST by phockthis
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To: Still Thinking
Apparently they are busy little beavers.... this issue is all over many internet forums. So if you buy 10 guns in a 30 day period, with no probably cause whatsoever, they can come to your house, accuse you of selling guns without a license and ask to see you guns.. if you refuse they get a warrant or drag you to a hearing. Seriously, WTF!! I'm SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO glad we bought a home outside the US. This country is about to fall off a very high cliff into a totalitarian bowl of poop! Grab your hat!

Discussion here too:

http://www.familyfriendsfirearms.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-104106.html&s=544f7bbe003e32e4652610899ad52b6f&

16 posted on 11/16/2011 5:58:12 PM PST by mojitojoe (WH says potus didn’t feel the earthquake. No worries. Another is scheduled for November 2012)
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To: phockthis; Las Vegas Ron; Travis McGee; Candor7; manc; Joe Brower; little jeremiah; MHGinTN; ETL; ..
The ATF letter also orders gun dealers to report to the feds sales of “two or more pistols or revolvers, or any combination of pistols or revolvers totaling two or more.”

The letter, which was subsequently sent out to gun dealers and has since entered the public domain, orders firearms retailers to “Submit to ATF reports of multiple sales or other dispositions whenever, at one time or during any five consecutive business days, you sell to an unlicensed person or otherwise dispose of two or more semi-automatic rifles capable of accepting a detachable magazine and with a caliber greater than .22 (including .223/5.56 caliber).” The directive takes effect from August 14, 2011.

However, what the federal agency isn’t keen to make public is how its agents are using these reports to make threatening home visits to firearms owners, while ordering gun store owners to become de facto informants by telling them to spy on their customers.

According to several gun dealers in Austin as well as one of our own staff members, the ATF is visiting people’s homes, demanding to be allowed inside without a warrant, and implying that gun owners could be terrorists for purchasing two or more firearms at a time.

Illustrating how lawless this is, a central Texas gun dealer who provided Alex Jones with the ATF letter, contacted Daniel Jones, the head of the ATF in Austin two weeks before receiving the letter to ask about news reports that President Obama was going to order the investigation of citizens that bought two or more rifles. Agent Jones told him “no that law is not going to pass, and we can’t enforce something that isn’t law so don’t worry about it.” Of course, the law didn’t pass but the ATF later enforced it anyway.

This is all based on a directive from the federal government that is completely outside of the law and unconstitutional. The law that would have required gun dealers in border states to report sales of two or more semi-automatic rifles to the ATF was “stripped entirely from the text of the regulation” when it cam..., but as part of the Obama administration’s dictatorial zeal to accomplish its agenda outside of the law, the program is going ahead anyway.

The federal government is enforcing a law that was never passed.

http://teapartyorg.ning.com/profiles/blogs/atf-intimidates-gun-owners

17 posted on 11/16/2011 6:04:44 PM PST by mojitojoe (WH says potus didn’t feel the earthquake. No worries. Another is scheduled for November 2012)
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To: mojitojoe

I do believe that there are two amendments which state they cannot do this.

Infact one certain amendment was done in order to stop British soldiers or anyone from coming into a home and searching it unless they did it the legal way.

Does the NRA and other gun right groups know this?

Does any of the GOP know about this as I will be contacting mine local rep tomorrow?

I suggest the ATF and Holder look at their own gun running before they look at us and I feel that if bozo the clown gets re-elected then gun rights will be targeted off the left.

His wife ole far bum has made a couple of comments in the last month and about how they could get control of the supreme court.


18 posted on 11/16/2011 6:16:17 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman. I HATE OUR BIAS LIBERAL CORRUPT MEDIA)
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