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Flying With Little Children? Go to the Back of the Plane
WSJ via Yahoo! ^ | 11/17/11 | Scott McCartney

Posted on 11/18/2011 9:08:16 AM PST by Slings and Arrows

Babies on airplanes. It's enough to make parents—and all the passengers around them—cry.

Parents are complaining of airline seating policies that create "baby ghettos" in the back of planes. Even worse, families are increasingly split up, leaving small children in middle seats in the company of strangers unless passengers arrange seat swaps on board.

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About. Damn. Time.
1 posted on 11/18/2011 9:08:18 AM PST by Slings and Arrows
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To: Slings and Arrows

“I’m Jeffrey...I’m Four Years Old.”


2 posted on 11/18/2011 9:09:21 AM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Same as restaurants or movie theaters. I don’t necessarily blame the kids—I blame the crappy parents. Some will try to quiet them or at least comfort them when they don’t know how to clear their ears, but far too many just let ‘em scream.


3 posted on 11/18/2011 9:10:30 AM PST by OCCASparky (Steely-eyed killer of the deep.)
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To: dfwgator

I support a sound proof room at the back for idiotic parents who bring babies on planes. I was on a plane to San Francisco where a baby cried/screamed the full last hour of the flight and they did nothing. A whole bunch of people were ready to cause a ruckus but in this day and age you never know what can happen with the air marshals and Obama might fling some terror charges on you.


4 posted on 11/18/2011 9:11:16 AM PST by bigdirty
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To: Slings and Arrows; MeekOneGOP; Conspiracy Guy; DocRock; King Prout; Darksheare; OSHA; ...
o/~ ...in the ghetto. o/~


5 posted on 11/18/2011 9:11:33 AM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

A nation that hates its children is a nation that isn’t going to be around much longer.


6 posted on 11/18/2011 9:13:04 AM PST by DManA
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To: Slings and Arrows

As a business traveler, I’d rather sit next to a child than an obese person who takes up 2.5 seats.


7 posted on 11/18/2011 9:13:39 AM PST by VicVega (Geaux LSU, Geaux Saints)
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To: DManA

+1


8 posted on 11/18/2011 9:14:15 AM PST by wideawake
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To: bigdirty
I support a sound proof room at the back for idiotic parents who bring babies on planes.

Why? There's a perfectly good cargo hold.

9 posted on 11/18/2011 9:15:52 AM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: bigdirty

How do you know the parents were not trying to calm the baby?


10 posted on 11/18/2011 9:15:58 AM PST by svcw (God's Grace - thank you!)
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To: Slings and Arrows

“Even worse, families are increasingly split up, leaving small children in middle seats in the company of strangers unless passengers arrange seat swaps on board.”

I don’t have children but do have a very handicap wife and I’ve never been in a situation where our seating assignment split us up and if no one else, the stewardess would work to make sure we sat together. I’ve never had to do this directly with other passengers.

As far as kids, I lament the security hassles and the poor customer services from airlines generally much more so than kids on a flight.


11 posted on 11/18/2011 9:16:21 AM PST by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: VicVega

Because “business travelers” are all so svelte.


12 posted on 11/18/2011 9:16:39 AM PST by moehoward
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To: Slings and Arrows

I once flew to Las Vegas on Southwest Airlines. During the flight instruction / comedy routine, the attendant said, “And for those of you traveling with small children...WHAT WERE YOU THINKING!??!”


13 posted on 11/18/2011 9:16:55 AM PST by ItsOurTimeNow ("Go now. Run along and tell your Xerxes that he faces Free Men here...not slaves.")
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To: Slings and Arrows

Bill Cosby - “Jeffrey”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fs0cYJUqJys


14 posted on 11/18/2011 9:18:47 AM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: DManA

Amen.


15 posted on 11/18/2011 9:19:09 AM PST by 383rr (Those who choose security over liberty deserve neither; GUN CONTROL= SLAVERY)
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To: dfwgator

I remember - a classic.


16 posted on 11/18/2011 9:19:43 AM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: moehoward

and super F’n cool. We rarely sit in the back with you groundlings.


17 posted on 11/18/2011 9:20:14 AM PST by VicVega (Geaux LSU, Geaux Saints)
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To: DonaldC

Someone recently asked me to switch seats on Southwest so the could sit with their wife.
The answer was a polite No. I paid extra so i could have an A check in and get an aisle seat on the port side.
If it was a parent with a child I would probably switch and be pissed off about it.


18 posted on 11/18/2011 9:20:25 AM PST by bt-99 ("Get off my Lawn")
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To: Slings and Arrows

Whaaa!


19 posted on 11/18/2011 9:20:46 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Slings and Arrows
Freepathons aren't like bathing cats.
Feel the wrath!
Just click to donate
And you don't lose any skin or children in the process!

20 posted on 11/18/2011 9:21:05 AM PST by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: ItsOurTimeNow
I once flew to Las Vegas on Southwest Airlines. During the flight instruction / comedy routine, the attendant said, “And for those of you traveling with small children...WHAT WERE YOU THINKING!??!”

The other SWA line is: "If you are travelling with more than one child, place the oxygen mask on the one you think has the most potential".

21 posted on 11/18/2011 9:21:18 AM PST by cicero2k
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To: DonaldC
"As far as kids, I lament the security hassles and the poor customer services from airlines generally much more so than kids on a flight."

Ditto. I see about half the passengers with earbuds or headphones. The other half looking jealously at them...

22 posted on 11/18/2011 9:21:55 AM PST by moehoward
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To: bigdirty
Sometimes, with babies, there is really nothing the parents can do. The changes in air pressure on takeoff and landing cause severe pain in babies' ears. Most adults can handle the changes by swallowing hard, sucking on hard candy, or chewing gum. Even our grown daughter gets severe sinus pressure, and ear pain, depending on the type of aircraft. Now think about little babies; they don't understand the concept of pressure changes, except that it hurts, and they don't know how to fix it. Parents can try using a pacifier, but crying babies spit them out, not realizing that sucking on them will help them. A nursing mother could hold the baby and nurse through takeoff and landing, but sometimes flight attendants won't allow that; the baby has to be restrained in the carrier in the adjoining seat.

So yes, it is annoying, but the babies can't help it, and their parents can't do a thing about it. Toddlers are a completely different story; if they're screaming and being obnoxious, the parent's CAN do something about that. Usually it involves talking a lot about what the plane is doing, pointing out the window, if you can see anything, or just doing a mighty job of distraction.

I like the idea of them being in the back of the plane, because they usually take the longest with getting settled in their seats, and not having to wait for them trying to do that in the middle of the plane makes complete sense. The same in reverse; folks aren't delayed getting off with parents having to re-load all the kids' gear.

23 posted on 11/18/2011 9:22:06 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: Paladin2

I don’t really care either way. That’s why headphones were invented.

Problem I now have is getting my headphones through security.


24 posted on 11/18/2011 9:23:43 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (To fix government, we need a rocket scientist. Oh, wait we have one!)
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To: DManA

“A nation that hates its children is a nation that isn’t going to be around much longer.”

We don’t hate kids...we hate the lousy parents that fail to supervise or discipline their kids.


25 posted on 11/18/2011 9:25:17 AM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

I usually sit in the back. It’s statistically safer, easier to get window seat on the shady side (SWA) and that’s where the dogs sit.


26 posted on 11/18/2011 9:25:46 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Slings and Arrows

When I travel with my baby, I put a burqa on the kid. And a hijab. And the kitchen table cloth... whatever.

That way my kid enjoys all the special priveledges the muzzies do.


27 posted on 11/18/2011 9:26:02 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
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To: OCCASparky
My kids understood that flying, movies and restaurants were very special treats to look forward to and that acting up would have severe consequences, such as being forced to sit in the middle seat between Mom and Dad for the duration of the flight or taken out without desert.

It is amazing how quickly kids can modify their behavior once they understand consequences associated with that behavior.

Even my infant grandson has learned that misuse of his new teeth means early termination of his snack from Mommy.

28 posted on 11/18/2011 9:27:49 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: bigdirty

“I support a sound proof room at the back for idiotic parents who bring babies on planes.”

But what if the Muzzie terrorists get confused and think the door to the baby room in the back of the plane is where the pilots are located? Muzzies threatening a bunch of mothers with babies wouldn’t end well for them.


29 posted on 11/18/2011 9:28:59 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: DonaldC

As far as kids, I lament the security hassles and the poor customer services from airlines generally much more so than kids on a flight.

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Eggs-zactly. What with the TSA, unhelpful airports, and bad service from your air carrier - why SHOULDN’T babies get the same rude service the rest of us do?


30 posted on 11/18/2011 9:29:10 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS! This means liberals AND libertarians (same thing) NO LIBS!)
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To: SuziQ

Planes should load from the back, window seats first.


31 posted on 11/18/2011 9:30:09 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: SuziQ

Simple fix to a baby ear pressure: Valsalva Maneuver. You do it every time you hold your nose and blow to release pressure in your ears. A quick hold and release of an infant’s/child’s nose can clear their pressure jsut as well. It might take several tries to coordinate their blowing out and you holding their nose for them, but it works just the same. For children that can safely chew gum, gun chewing can also help.


32 posted on 11/18/2011 9:32:29 AM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: DManA
A nation that hates its children is a nation that isn’t going to be around much longer.

I love bacon, but I still don't want fly with the precursor.

33 posted on 11/18/2011 9:37:52 AM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: svcw

How do I know the parents weren’t trying to calm the kid? Maybe bc they’re sitting there doing nothing?


34 posted on 11/18/2011 9:39:52 AM PST by bigdirty
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To: Slings and Arrows
airline seating policies that create "baby ghettos" in the back of planes

This is okay, imo.

... families are increasingly split up, leaving small children in middle seats in the company of strangers ...

This is not okay. Put the family together, somewhere.

35 posted on 11/18/2011 9:44:19 AM PST by Tax-chick ("Without common referents, we are all merely inarticulate refugees from Babel."~Nicknamedbob)
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To: Paladin2

Fly a lot and offer that suggestion to all the airline personnel - as in ‘you could get employee of the month with this idea’. LOL!!!

Make sure I wait until all ZONES have been seated before boarding. Eliminates waiting in a stuffy plane for 30 minutes. The trade-off is no overhead space for the carry-on.

Loading from the back to the front - makes so much sense - from an engineering perspective.


36 posted on 11/18/2011 9:48:08 AM PST by sodpoodle (Loving America is not a fashion statement.)
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To: bigdirty
I was on a cross country flight where Mom, Dad, Grandma get on with three teenage kids and two smaller boys. They have E and F in 4 consecutive rows. We all know ,in that position, how we would divvy up the seats, but not these people. I ended up sitting next to the two small boys, who really weren't that badly behaved, but I still found myself responsible for running the entertainment systems, ordering drinks, stopping fights, etc. for the next 4 hours.

On one of my bathroom breaks the grandma apologized for the behavior of the one kid because he had ADHD.

What ticks me off is when I bring my family unit aboard I see some people in the surrounding seats start rolling their eyes. Personally, I'm more concerned with the colorful language you hear from drunks on the plane and all the crying and whining associated with a weather delay.

37 posted on 11/18/2011 9:52:49 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: sodpoodle
They could have a plane seating "fixture" in the gate waiting area (facing away from the gate door) so people could go sit in their assigned seat.

Then the gate crew could just get every body up from the outside (window seats) and march them on the plane. Then the centers and then the aisles.

First class could still board first to get their drinkz down as was the case back in the day (pre TSA) when I flew relatively frequently on day trips.

38 posted on 11/18/2011 9:53:29 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: VicVega
As a business traveler, I’d rather sit next to a child than an obese person who takes up 2.5 seats.

Same here.

I just bring an iPod and headphones. When a baby starts crying, on go the headphones and the music gets cranked up.

There is no remedy for getting stuck next to a big person, unless there happens to be another seat available onboard.

39 posted on 11/18/2011 10:16:34 AM PST by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: wideawake; DManA

+2

I’m getting tired of the threads that promote hatred of children and even violence towards children on Free Republic.


40 posted on 11/18/2011 10:21:58 AM PST by AlmaKing
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To: DManA
A nation that hates its children is a nation that isn’t going to be around much longer.

I don't think it's so much hatred for children as it is disgust for some parents.

A little baby likely to cry, especially on takeoff and landing because it bothers their little ears, but I've had to tolerate some ill-mannered, obnoxious older kids while traveling and it's always because the parents let Little Snookums annoy the hell out of people until somebody finally says something.

41 posted on 11/18/2011 10:23:24 AM PST by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: CodeToad

A Valsalva Maneuver? Do you even know what that is? I highly doubt it because that’s a dangerous thing you’re talking about. And you’re advocating using it on a baby? You have some sort of malfunction.


42 posted on 11/18/2011 10:26:12 AM PST by AlmaKing
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To: bigdirty

*the below is not necessarily directed at you*

It really depends on the age of the kid. If they are younger than 2 it really is next to impossible to get them under control once they loose it. Sure, we can try to plug their nose and get them to ease pressure but that’s easier said than done.

My kids (both under 3) have always been decent on planes but I still get eye rolls from people. A couple of times I’ve had one of my children lose it during the last 30 minutes of the flight. All you can do is try to address the obvious things (food,water,toilet,entertainment) but after that it just has to run its course.

That being said - when I travel alone for business I prefer to use patience and understanding when it comes to families traveling rather than responding like a 13 year old girl and rolling my eyes. The thing is, WE are the adults. As adults, we handle life’s little discomforts like grown-ups and should refrain from bi#ching and moaning because some kid is making too much noise on a JETPLANE. Having control of your emotions is really the only thing other than life experience that separates you from that child.

Harden up people. You’re crammed in a tube with jet engines on the wings; you’re not eating at the ritz-carlton or anything.


43 posted on 11/18/2011 10:26:33 AM PST by ruiner
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To: Allegra

I go for the exit row. No kids, but a risk of sitting next to a super sizer with a really smelly meal. lol.


44 posted on 11/18/2011 10:26:48 AM PST by VicVega (Geaux LSU, Geaux Saints)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Families... Take Amtrak...better than an airport the train depot!!


45 posted on 11/18/2011 10:36:57 AM PST by ExCTCitizen (Cain/West 2012....what would the RACISTS LIBERALS say???)
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To: Slings and Arrows

46 posted on 11/18/2011 10:39:32 AM PST by Daffynition
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To: AlmaKing

“I highly doubt it because that’s a dangerous thing you’re talking about. “

Sorry your ignorant of such things, but getting hostile is just silly. Where did you get the idea that such a thing was “dangerous”?


47 posted on 11/18/2011 10:40:49 AM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Babies and small children will do that when traveling by car as well. I give my little ones when we travel Tylenol 1/2 hr before I expect altitude changes. The result they sleep right through it, no crying.


48 posted on 11/18/2011 10:50:28 AM PST by tookiesrcookies
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To: Daffynition

*snicker*


49 posted on 11/18/2011 11:02:14 AM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: ruiner
The thing is, WE are the adults. As adults, we handle life’s little discomforts like grown-ups and should refrain from bi#ching and moaning because some kid is making too much noise on a JETPLANE.

***

Just wanted to grab this portion of your post and add something....

The part about “We handle life's little discomforts” -
Well —— Children, kids, babies are people. They are not “life's little discomforts. And we do not “handle” each other. We love, serve, care for, minister to etc each other. So much business terminology has crept in to our vocabulary since the wretched 80s, all this bs “how to manage your business, your family, your marriage, your children etc. We do not manage each other. We should be serving, loving, caring for, praying for etc. We should not ever be primarily motivated by our own comfort either. We should be seeking the comfort of others first. The narcissism, self centeredness etc is at fever pitch. Shut off the indoctrination folks and read your Bibles. Christ said they would know we belonged to Him by our love for each other.

50 posted on 11/18/2011 11:04:24 AM PST by Esther Ruth (Thank You Lord Jesus Christ for all that you give us - help us love one another!)
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