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Hope, skepticism for cold fusion
Boston Globe ^ | November 27 , 2011 | D.C. Denison

Posted on 11/28/2011 9:18:01 PM PST by Kevmo

Rossi... visited the State House last week ...
Andrea Rossi made the trip at the invitation of the Senate’s minority leader, Bruce Tarr, a Republican from Gloucester, and met on Tuesday with representatives from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Northeastern University, and the University of Massachusetts.

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At this point, however, the E-Cat is widely considered to be unproven. Tests have been scarce and secretive, perhaps because Rossi has said that his technology is still unpatented.


Andrea Rossi was invited to Massachusetts by the Senate’s minority leader, Bruce Tarr (left), a Republican from Gloucester. ‘‘If it works, I want this technology to be developed and manufactured in Massachusetts,’’ Tarr said of cold fusion.


... Last month, he conducted a test of a small cold fusion power plant in Bologna, Italy, for an unnamed customer, who he said was impressed enough to purchase the unit.

Rossi said he has received orders from 12 more customers.


Tarr, who is active in alternative energy legislation, said he invited Rossi to put the state in line for hosting any prospective development of cold fusion.

“Knowing the reputation of cold fusion, I went in with a very healthy level of skepticism,’’ he said.

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Tamarin said the meeting was mostly used to discuss the possibility of setting up manufacturing, rather than the validity of the science.

“Rossi said he was not ready for a full academic investigation of his technology because he doesn’t yet have full patent protection,’’ Tamarin said. “That’s consistent with it not working, but it’s also consistent with it working very well.’’

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Unfortunately, if Rossi did the following:

1) hired a bunch of actors to pretend to be the customer reps,

2) created an elaborate year-long special-effects-derived series of demos,

3) bribed, hypnotised or otherwise fooled Focardi, Levi, Kullander, Essen, Bianchini, Stremmenos

4) arranged for Piantelli, Miley and a host of others to try to fool the world into thinking that cold fusion was real,

5) got NASA, SPAWAR, The Defense Threat Reduction Agency and The Defense Intelligence Agency to say nice things about the field,

6) got Bushnell to make a fool of himself,

7) and convinced his former partners to set up another company called Ampenergo to pretend that they had a contract for The Americas for a substantial sum ----- or that they just did this with no proof because they have worked with Rossi and trust him because he’s such a fine fellow,

8) sold his profitable company to his ex-partners in order to spend that wealth on a multi-million dollar scam; ----- certain that once he got all the above ducks in a row he would pretend to sell the first device ----- and then reel in the true target of his dastardly plan

9) and convinced a bunch of Greek crooks to set up a dummy company called Defkalion ----- to pretend to fight with him over the non-existent eCat, ----- to perpetuate the illusion and spin it off into a competing mirror-scam

[the second (this time genuine) buyer of a 1MW plant that will net him $2 million dollars ----- until they want their money back or sucker a $100 million dollar deal under the table ----- because he has experience in pulling the wool over all these idiotic eyes ----- and knows that they will just take his word for it ----- and not want to test if his 1MW plant can heat a small village without truckloads of coal or oil or a big fat electric cable coming into the container from beneath the floor (no you can’t lift the carpet!) ]

10) and that, in order to pull this off, Rossi had to risk discovery by interviewing all the people he subsequently fooled so that he could only invite the gullible Professors and not the brilliant anonymous posters on the Internet who surely would have found him out

then, yes, all bets are off and I’m with the guys who think that Rossi is an idiot and they are all geniuses.

1 posted on 11/28/2011 9:18:09 PM PST by Kevmo
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2 posted on 11/28/2011 9:19:06 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo

One word: Madoff
Another word: P.T. Barnum


3 posted on 11/28/2011 9:35:54 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (REPEAL WASHINGTON! -- Islam Delenda Est! -- I Want Constantinople Back. -- Rumble thee forth.)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

One concept:

Occham’s Razor


4 posted on 11/28/2011 9:38:23 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo

Rossi has such a con artist history, and a product whose ability to perform is fitful at best and even scientifically nonintuitive (it’s been averred that hydrogen to nickel fusions ought to be absorbing energy, not releasing it), that it’s surprising anyone cares at this level. I would not want to see any Federal program jump on this unless it takes the process out of Rossi’s control (except maybe for royalties to him if something that really works results in those independent hands).

So call me a seagull. I want some fish.


5 posted on 11/28/2011 9:39:09 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

So call me a seagull.
***I’m not allowed to. The mods told me to stop. But I suppose they can’t stop you from calling yourself a seagull, which is ironic. Most seagulls don’t eat fish, they eat garbage.


6 posted on 11/28/2011 9:42:45 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo; count-your-change

Garbage... as in what people aver Rossi to be??? (That was too easy)

In natural state unspoiled by man, seagulls are stuck with fish.


7 posted on 11/28/2011 9:45:17 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Then you seagulls will eat Rossi and that will be that.


8 posted on 11/28/2011 9:46:43 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo

He’s a feast for skeptics alright.

Get the darn thing reproduced by independent hands, without Rossi there except to explain how to make it. I don’t give a hoot if the arrangement to do so gets Rossi filthy rich in royalties, but technical and scientific integrity insists on the independent reproduction. No more Solyndras! (And at least Solyndra’s product, if uneconomical, worked all the time.)


9 posted on 11/28/2011 9:50:17 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Get the darn thing reproduced by independent hands
***As long as Rossi has paying customers, he sees no need. I can see his point, though if I were in his shoes I might do it a bit differently.


10 posted on 11/28/2011 9:52:49 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo

Well my vote through my congressbeings is keep your hands off until he does or somebody else does. Not a dollar of my taxes to it in its current incarnation depending on the magician Rossi bending over it!


11 posted on 11/28/2011 9:54:54 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Kevmo

(Not a dollar of my taxes to it in its current incarnation depending on the magician Rossi bending over it!)

And, on the mood of the voodoo gods, which not even the black magic of Washington can pin down.


12 posted on 11/28/2011 9:56:40 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Not a dollar of my taxes to it in its current incarnation
***uh huh, yeah... I would be more convinced if such sentiment were directed towards the hot fusion boys with their Tokomak reactors that have produced a record of 6MJ in one run, all the while LENR averages 100MJ per run.


13 posted on 11/28/2011 9:57:06 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo

Insisting on perfection before refraining from folly is a fallacy as old as the hills.


14 posted on 11/28/2011 9:58:43 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Kevmo

And anyhow, I understand the Tokamaks are contributing to particle physics research. Maybe they should go to private hands (in this tight economy that would make a lot of sense) but if they fail, we have the tools in hand to understand why they fail. No ooga-booga!


15 posted on 11/28/2011 10:01:07 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Then why do you insist on perfection from the LENR crowd but give tons of leeway to the hot fusion crowd? It is raising the bar for one side while lowering it for the other.


16 posted on 11/28/2011 10:02:31 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo

I said it makes sense to give hot fusion to private hands. Let Rossi get a queue of private customers a mile long. Not a penny of tax from my pocket. Not until the process has the same quality of scientific scrutiny as the Tokamaks do.


17 posted on 11/28/2011 10:04:02 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

LENR is contributing to particle physics research also. But not on your dime. LENR is better than Tokomak in that respect. It’s also better in the respect that it has generated only a max 6MJ per run while LENR experiments generate an AVERAGe of 100MJ per run.


18 posted on 11/28/2011 10:04:30 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Not a penny of tax from my pocket. Not until the process has the same quality of scientific scrutiny as the Tokamaks do.
***Tokomaks already take money out of your pocket, and they have delivered a whopping 6MJ maximum. LENR takes very little out of our pockets (Maybe SPAWAR?) and delivers an average of 100 MJ per run. The differences are utterly astounding but it does not stop the seagull brigade from doing their ‘business’ on these threads.


19 posted on 11/28/2011 10:06:44 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo

I don’t see any of these e-Cat fusions happening in a scientific milieu. Only in the milieu of a convicted con man. Until the thing has been shown a reproducible non fraud, I will tell Congress not to bother with any largess to it.


20 posted on 11/28/2011 10:07:20 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Kevmo

Little gummit programs have a way of getting great big, and are you DEAF fellow when I said I advocated putting the Tokamaks back into private auspices?


21 posted on 11/28/2011 10:08:21 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

are you DEAF fellow when I said I advocated putting the Tokamaks back into private auspices?
***No, but in the meantime Tokomak hot-fusion boys take money from your pocket while the LENR boys don’t, and yet you’re all over these LENR threads squawking about how things oughtta be. Maybe I can’t hear you over all that SQUAWKING.


22 posted on 11/28/2011 10:11:16 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I don’t see any of these e-Cat fusions happening in a scientific milieu.
***That is because you are not paying attention. Rossi did not claim to invent cold fusion, he claims a way to ‘catalyze’ it, to make it more replicable. So all those prior replications, all 14k+ of them, are just more evidence to be considered in terms of LENR “fusions happening in a scientific milieu.”


23 posted on 11/28/2011 10:13:45 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo

And you’re the self designated FR hawker for Mr. Con Man’s e-Cats. If I waste one dollar (and the Tokamak should not be judged by its current claimed output, but as a scientific research tool that is open to all comers and anybody can build and gee, it works the same way for all of them without fail), why am I condemned for not wanting to waste two of them?


24 posted on 11/28/2011 10:14:28 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

but if they fail, we have the tools in hand to understand why they fail. No ooga-booga!
***Then why haven’t they improved on their results, if they have the tools to understand why they failed? WTF does
‘no ooga-booga’ mean? BOHICA


25 posted on 11/28/2011 10:15:33 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo

The very reaction that Rossi alleges is being catalyzed shouldn’t even BE releasing energy. The e-Cats ought to be great refrigerators, not boilers!


26 posted on 11/28/2011 10:16:02 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

And you’re the self designated FR hawker for Mr. Con Man’s e-Cats.
***Bowlsheet. I was posting LENR threads on FR before Rossi came along. The first few Rossi threads were promoted by others. I’m not a Rossi fan, I’m a LENR fan.


27 posted on 11/28/2011 10:16:50 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo

If Congress spends on a Rossi enterprise, BOHICA is very apt to describe what will come.


28 posted on 11/28/2011 10:17:00 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Kevmo

Kevmo sure puts out a disproportionate amount of Rossi. Because after all he appears to be getting the boil, bubble, toil and trouble out of his cauldrons, while others are busy chasing after millijoules under a microscope.

But the size of the thing at optimum means nothing if you can’t do it every single freaking time, and the epic failure of the recent 1 MW herd of e-Cats to get any hotter than the electricity pumped into them would suffice to do, says volumes to me.


29 posted on 11/28/2011 10:20:08 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

If I waste one dollar ... why am I condemned for not wanting to waste two of them?
***Your own words condemn you.

(and the Tokamak should not be judged by its current claimed output,
***BowlSheet. You’re judging LENR by that standard, you should judge Tokomak by the same standard. Today I’m on a waiting list for $5k LENR device, but you couldn’t get 1000 buddies together and afford a tokomak.

but as a scientific research tool
***That outputs 6MJ per run MAX, while LENR experiments output 100MJ per run AVERAGE

that is open to all comers
***Izzat so? Show me your waiting list for doing experiments on your Tokomak. I’m on a LENR waiting list for 1/1000th the cost, within 1-2 years’ time frame.

and anybody can build
***hah hah... HAH HAH HAH BWAhhaaaHAHAHAAA HAH HAAH hahhah... oh, that was just utterly precious

and gee, it works the same way for all of them without fail),
***Then you shouldn’t have any trouble for it being judged by its current claimed output.


30 posted on 11/28/2011 10:22:24 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo

Solomon’s advice not to argue with a mocker kicks in to me at this point. Bye, have a nice night.


31 posted on 11/28/2011 10:23:11 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Kevmo sure puts out a disproportionate amount of Rossi. Because after all he appears to be getting the boil, bubble, toil and trouble out of his cauldrons, while others are busy chasing after millijoules under a microscope.
***Do you have any idea what you’re actually saying here? Probably not.

But the size of the thing at optimum means nothing if you can’t do it every single freaking time,
***Uh huh. Let’s see... cloning, replicable about 1/1000 times but no one denies the claim. Every single freaking time... raising the bar for LENR while lowering it for tokomak.

and the epic failure of the recent 1 MW herd of e-Cats to get any hotter than the electricity pumped into them would suffice to do, says volumes to me.
***But says nothing to the customer who signed on the dotted line and carted it away, later on ordering 12 more 1MW plants. Yeah, right. So you accept the 570kW claim on that day but you don’t accept that the customer carted it away. Raising the bar while lowering it where you see fit... I’m detecting a pattern.


32 posted on 11/28/2011 10:27:06 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Judicaret spectator se ipso: Let the lurker decide for himself


33 posted on 11/28/2011 10:31:51 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo
One concept: Occham’s Razor

I forgot which critic came up with this quote, but it sums up my opinion very well. "Rossi's latest test of his reactor was inconclusive. I do not think it is a coincidence that eleven tests in a row have all been inconclusive. "

34 posted on 11/28/2011 10:32:41 PM PST by TennesseeProfessor (P.S. When applying Occam's razor, remember that Rossi was previously convicted of fraud)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

If Congress spends on a Rossi enterprise, BOHICA is very apt to describe what will come.
***The reason we’re in this predicament in the first place is that congress chose to fund the hot fusion boys. If they had simply allocated funds according to MJoules of output, the hot fusion boys would be starving to death right now and the cold fusion boys wouldn’t have to resort to shenanigans.


35 posted on 11/28/2011 10:34:03 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo; HiTech RedNeck

Not to pick up from the HiTech RedNeck (hi!) but I really don’t want the government to be picking winners and losers in the market at all. Let’s not fund *any* energy companies with dollars extracted at gunpoint from innocent taxpayers and let the invisible hand of the market sort things out instead.


36 posted on 11/28/2011 10:34:03 PM PST by Mycroft Holmes (Returned for regrooving...)
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To: TennesseeProfessor
I do not think it is a coincidence that eleven tests in a row have all been inconclusive. ***Neither do I, especially since Rossi outright declined to have it tested. He said in the beginning that there would be no public demos, but his friend Focardi is in ill health and seeks recognition & asked him to do the demos. So, with the viable claim that he's unprotected by patent law, his position does not violate Occham's Razor. Rossi Declines Italian and U.S. Government Testing Offers 26 novembre 2011 By New Energy Times Andrea Rossi, inventor of the Energy Catalyzer, or E-Cat, has declined an offer from an Italian government laboratory for independent testing of his device. According to Francesco Celani, a physicist with the Italian National Institute of Nuclear Physics in Frascati, Rossi … Continue reading → Read more: http://www.ecatnews.net/page/3/#ixzz1f4boMPfF
37 posted on 11/28/2011 10:40:29 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The very reaction that Rossi alleges is being catalyzed shouldn’t even BE releasing energy.
***What reaction is that?

NASA confirms they are working on Widom Larsen theory ...
May 17, 2011 ... Lewis G. Larsen developed a theory of LENRs (WLT) that explains ALL the
evidence and along with Dr. Alan Widom published their theory in ...

http://www.nextbigfuture.com/2011/.../nasa-confirms-widom-larsen-theory.html - Cached - Similar


38 posted on 11/28/2011 10:43:17 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
At this point there are simply too many negatives, too many red flags not to be highly skeptical of Of Rossi’s claims and saying the cold fusion ha been shown to occur doesn't mean Rossi has achieved it.

Saying that what Rossi does couldn't be anything else is just another way of saying one doesn't know what really is being done. It means nothing.

That a number of people are willing to venture their money on something they don't understand is what keeps the slot machines going in Los Vegas. So Rossi’s claim about letting the customers speak...well Vegas hasn't gone broke yet.

Suppose his device does work somewhat. So does solar and wind power and they take no fuel at all.
Right now finding low grade heat is not a problem but paying for the equipment to capture it is.

At the moment the e-cats MIGHT be a source of low grade heat and an expensive one at that.

39 posted on 11/28/2011 11:08:19 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Kevmo

Hey bud! You might want to post a link that actually WORKS ya know. Even if it points to rubbish.

Ciao.


40 posted on 11/28/2011 11:09:23 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Sometimes progressives find their scripture in the penumbra of sacred bathroom stall writings (Tzar))
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To: Kevmo

Rossi can always develop a kit for Lego blocks where with a battery connected by wires to his special elements makes steam come out of Lego built smoke stacks or out of car exhausts.


41 posted on 11/28/2011 11:12:48 PM PST by Razzz42 (i)
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To: Kevmo

What is so strange about this is that this machine is so damn simple it can be examined in a day. What are we talking about here? Stop with the patent nonsense.

Either it doesn’t work or it is not performing up to expectations because this would be too easy for an MIT crew to get to the bottom of it. Or send the CIA.

There is too much talking about this and not enough verification. This delay tells me it’s not real. Time is wasting.


42 posted on 11/28/2011 11:17:55 PM PST by Titus-Maximus (Light from Light)
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To: Titus-Maximus

This delay tells me it’s not real.
***Argument from silence, classic fallacy.


43 posted on 11/28/2011 11:27:45 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Razzz42

Rossi can always develop a kit for Lego blocks where with a battery connected by wires to his special elements makes steam come out of Lego built smoke stacks or out of car exhausts.
***Put yourself in the position of Levi, who was a skeptic looking out to make sure Unibo wasn’t getting caught in a fraud. If he saw the equivalent of Lego blocks, he would have said so.


44 posted on 11/28/2011 11:29:11 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo
Put yourself in the position of Levi, who was a skeptic looking out to make sure Unibo wasn’t getting caught in a fraud. If he saw the equivalent of Lego blocks, he would have said so.

Unless Levi has his price and Rossi is paying it. Sterling Allan did post that Levi is an employee of Rossi's company.

45 posted on 11/28/2011 11:43:42 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62

This will be my standard post to you that says you’re not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says “buzz off” & doesn’t leave crickets. But if it offends you to the point that you get it removed like my prior innocuous citation then I’ll have to come up with some other ‘ignore button’ post.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=55#55
To: Moonman62

This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.

55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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46 posted on 11/28/2011 11:45:23 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo
“Rossi said he was not ready for a full academic investigation of his technology because he doesn’t yet have full patent protection,’’ Tamarin said. “That’s consistent with it not working, ...

Sometimes your Scam Spam contains a bit of wisdom.

47 posted on 11/28/2011 11:45:45 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62

This will be my standard post to you that says you’re not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says “buzz off” & doesn’t leave crickets. But if it offends you to the point that you get it removed like my prior innocuous citation then I’ll have to come up with some other ‘ignore button’ post.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=55#55
To: Moonman62

This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.

55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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48 posted on 11/28/2011 11:51:44 PM PST by Kevmo (When a thing is owned by everybody nobody gives value to it. Communism taught us this. ~A. Rossi)
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To: Kevmo
The Italian scientist who says he has developed the world’s first cold fusion reactor - a claim that has been hotly contested in scientific circles

It's a scam being hotly promoted on the Internet. Rossi hasn't published a single real scientific paper. The scientific circles aren't even bothering with it.

49 posted on 11/28/2011 11:55:09 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Wanting the thing to run for 5-6 hours free from outside generators supplying more power than the e-cat is outputting is not asking for perfection.

The thing was supposed to run 1 MW but Rossi said there was a problem and it could only do about half that. The generators were connected to it all the time outputting 500 KW and the e-cat put out about 480 KW.

That’s not perfection. That is not convincing proof by any stretch.

And keep in mind I would love to see something like an e-cat work. To date according to the descriptions of the tests conducted and released, I don’t believe this has been proven.


50 posted on 11/29/2011 12:41:53 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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