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Declassified Memo Hinted of 1941 Hawaii Attack
usnews.com ^ | Nov.13, 2011 | Paul Bedard

Posted on 11/29/2011 6:45:45 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY

Three days before the Dec. 7, 1941 Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, President Roosevelt was warned in a memo from naval intelligence that Tokyo's military and spy network was focused on Hawaii, a new and eerie reminder of FDR's failure to act on a basket load of tips that war was near.

In the newly revealed 20-page memo from FDR's declassified FBI file, the Office of Naval Intelligence on December 4 warned, "In anticipation of open conflict with this country, Japan is vigorously utilizing every available agency to secure military, naval and commercial information, paying particular attention to the West Coast, the Panama Canal and the Territory of Hawaii."

The memo, published in the new book December 1941: 31 Days that Changed America and Saved the World went on to say that the Japanese were collecting "detailed technical information" that would be specifically used by its navy. To collect and analyze information, they were building a network of spies through their U.S. embassies and consulates.

Historian and acclaimed Reagan biographer Craig Shirley, author of the just released December 1941, doesn't blame FDR for blowing it, but instead tells Whispers that it "does suggest that there were more pieces to the puzzle" that the administration missed. The 70th anniversary of the attack is next month.

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: 1941; 194112; 19411204; 19411207; hawaii; panamacanal; pearlharbor; westcoast
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1 posted on 11/29/2011 6:45:50 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

No matter, Obama has already apologized to Japan for Pearl Harbor.


2 posted on 11/29/2011 6:48:35 PM PST by Patrick1 (" Let's all pray Kim Kardashian's divorce won't have an impact on her craft.")
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To: Free ThinkerNY

In reading “The Code Breakers” it mentioned three other attack sites other than Pearl Harbor that were equally being reviewed.


3 posted on 11/29/2011 6:48:44 PM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: Free ThinkerNY

And what was he supposed to do about it? There was no support for a war until after the attack.


4 posted on 11/29/2011 6:48:56 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

IT WAS TYPICALLY THOUGHT BY THE HIGH MILITARY BRASS THAT AN ATTACK BY JAPAN WOULD BE A GOOD TRAINING EXERCISE FOR THE TROOPS. AFTER ALL, HOW MUCH DAMAGE COULD PUNY LITTLE JAPAN DO?


5 posted on 11/29/2011 6:50:08 PM PST by Old Seadog (Always do a little more than is expected, and someday .....it will be expected.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

6 posted on 11/29/2011 6:53:56 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Free ThinkerNY

and Ron Paul would have said it was the United States’ fault that Japan attacked.


7 posted on 11/29/2011 6:53:56 PM PST by plain talk
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To: plain talk

Paultards still do.


8 posted on 11/29/2011 6:54:58 PM PST by mnehring
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To: driftdiver

Do? Put our Pacific bases on alert.


9 posted on 11/29/2011 6:56:11 PM PST by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: plain talk

Actually FDR was spoiling to get into the war and he backed the Japanese into a corner. FDR was a very nasty man.


10 posted on 11/29/2011 6:56:38 PM PST by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
"that the administration missed"

I don't think FDR missed anything. He made several attempts to get this nation into the war - sending ocean liners into harms way was just one that didn't quite 'cut it.'

There was more than a single hint of a Japanese attack, and more than one massive mistake to convince many that FDR purposely exposed Pearl Harbor to accomplish the needed impetus to declare war.

11 posted on 11/29/2011 6:57:02 PM PST by Ron C.
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Not to mention that Station H, having broken the Japanese Naval code, intercepted the following radio message more than a week prior to the attack and could have saved countless lives had the warning been given:

On November 24th, 1941, Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto sent a radio message to Admiral Chuichi Nagumo, Commander of the Pacific Striking Fleet, which read in part,

“The task force, keeping its movement strictly secret and maintaining close guard against submarines and aircraft, shall advance into Hawaiian waters, and upon the very opening of hostilities shall attack the main force of the United States fleet in Hawaii and deal it a mortal blow”.

The above appeared in Admiral Homer Wallin’s “Pearl Harbor”, published by the US Government printing office in 2001.


12 posted on 11/29/2011 6:59:26 PM PST by bigbob
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To: achilles2000

For how long? He didn’t know when. What happens when the public finds out?


13 posted on 11/29/2011 6:59:26 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Chickensoup

Yeah I’ve heard that BS before and never bought it. No President wants a WWII. None of them.


14 posted on 11/29/2011 7:01:02 PM PST by plain talk
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To: Old Seadog

“AFTER ALL, HOW MUCH DAMAGE COULD PUNY LITTLE JAPAN DO?”

They knew after the Russo-Japanese War that they could fight; they knew from the war in China that they would. They just left the obsolete ships as bait.


15 posted on 11/29/2011 7:03:10 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: driftdiver

For as long as there is any question of attack. The public would not be opposed to protecting our troops and installations through being vigilant.


16 posted on 11/29/2011 7:03:55 PM PST by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Oooh! Lemme be the first to say it, FDR LIHOP!!


17 posted on 11/29/2011 7:05:50 PM PST by Paradox (The rich SHOULD be paying more taxes, and they WOULD, if they could make more money.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY; a fool in paradise

IBTG (In Before the Germans)


18 posted on 11/29/2011 7:07:10 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: plain talk

I have no idea who knew what or when, but the facts stand that 1) the war started when Germany & the Soviet Union invaded Poland, but war was only declared on Germany by the “Western Allies”, and 2) while Americans died fighting the Japanese in the Pacific, the Soviet Union had peace with them. In the end, we saved the USSR so they could have Poland (and Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria...)

What a hoax.


19 posted on 11/29/2011 7:08:44 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Pearl Harbor Was No Surprise
http://thenewamerican.com/history/american/5427-pearl-harbor-was-no-surprise

Pearl Harbor: Hawaii Was Surprised; FDR Was Not
http://www.thenewamerican.com/history/american/574

Pearl Harbor: Motives Behind The Betrayal
http://www.thenewamerican.com/history/american/575


20 posted on 11/29/2011 7:13:39 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: achilles2000

“War warnings” were sent. All Pacific commanders knew that war was coming within days. Very few expected something as daring as the attack on Oahu. Admiral Kimmel believed that the Pacific fleet was safest at anchor in Pearl harbor.


21 posted on 11/29/2011 7:16:38 PM PST by iowamark (Rick Perry says I'm heartless.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor??? NO


22 posted on 11/29/2011 7:22:20 PM PST by MuttTheHoople (Democrats- Forgetting 9/11 since 9/12/01)
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To: kearnyirish2

They knew after the Russo-Japanese War that they could fight; they knew from the war in China that they would. They just left the obsolete ships as bait.


Exactly. One has to look at what Japan gained from the attack. Virtually nothing. They sank battleships which were no longer really viable with the advent of the aircraft carrier and relatively useless fighter planes.
They didn’t get any carriers or fuel reserves. From a strategic standpoint it was a victory, minus the loss of life. Actually, genius, considering the results.


23 posted on 11/29/2011 7:23:29 PM PST by TwoSwords
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To: Free ThinkerNY

In late 1941, most knew that war with Japan was imminent, it’s just that no one knew when or where. Yes some decrypts may point to Pearl as the target but others pointed elsewhere. Meanwhile, the Japanese staged an excellent cover for the raid by making U.S. analysts believe the imperial fleet was at home in Japanese waters.


24 posted on 11/29/2011 7:24:28 PM PST by fso301
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To: driftdiver

“And what was he supposed to do about it? There was no support for a war until after the attack.”

Possibly spread our naval flee out into other locations.


25 posted on 11/29/2011 7:25:39 PM PST by RS_Rider (I hate Illinois Nazis)
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To: TwoSwords

Soon after Pearl Harbor Tokyo was bombed and they lost the battle of Midway; Yamamoto was right that they had to win in six months, or they would lose.

The Japanese were impressive for a 1930s army; they were completely outclassed in the 1940s. They looked all the more impressive because the Allies decided to finish off the Axis in Europe first. Even many of Australia’s troops were fighting the Germans in North Africa, leaving the US to defend Australia.


26 posted on 11/29/2011 7:28:56 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: kearnyirish2

Leads to speculation as to why exactly did the carries sail hours before the attack?


27 posted on 11/29/2011 7:30:28 PM PST by Rebelbase (Yes we Cain!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?


28 posted on 11/29/2011 7:32:07 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Bush’s fault.


29 posted on 11/29/2011 7:33:34 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: Rebelbase

I believe in coincidences and luck; I just look at the results of that war, compared to the goals 6 years earlier, and find it absurd. It really is marketed well, including some radio commercials about how conservatives should love some D-Daytour package (? - wierd); what was sold as getting a “toe-hold in Europe” completely ignores the earlier fighting in Italy (probably because they were against real units, led by Kesselring).


30 posted on 11/29/2011 7:33:54 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: plain talk

“Hawaii isn’t America, therefore we don’t attack. We shouldn’t have a base in Hawaii. That’s imperialism...” PaulBot Freak


31 posted on 11/29/2011 7:34:49 PM PST by BlackjackPershing ("The Business of America is Business"--President Calvin Coolidge)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Well, the carriers were at sea and not a one was damaged. I believe several someones knew a lot. Unfortunately the ones in the path of the attack knew nothing until too late, and didn’t know it from our side


32 posted on 11/29/2011 7:39:07 PM PST by Figment
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To: Paradox

Pearl Harbor What did Roosevelt know and when did he know it. Its Franklins fault. You know the Metal on the Arizona could not have melted and blown up from puny 500Lb High Explosive bombs can’t melt the armor plating. Just Saying. SARC/;) I am now A Pearl Harbor Truther.


33 posted on 11/29/2011 7:51:10 PM PST by crazydad
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To: driftdiver

For as long as there is any question of attack. The public would not be opposed to protecting our troops and installations through being vigilant.


34 posted on 11/29/2011 7:53:24 PM PST by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I wonder how the usnews feels being scooped by about uh, 30 or 40 years?


35 posted on 11/29/2011 7:53:37 PM PST by Designer (Nit-pickin' and chagrinin')
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To: Figment

My dad was in the code room. I was young when he spoke of it, but as I recall he spoke of an undelivered message that sat in a mail slot for three days. My impression from him was the information in that note was definitive, and that it was not normal for it to be just left there like that. We knew everything we needed to know to defend ourselves and didn’t. That’s who FDR has been to me my whole life.


36 posted on 11/29/2011 7:57:39 PM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: kearnyirish2

One thing people should realize is the reason Japan took the risk. Japan has few mineral deposits to support their industry. They went after Australia for that very reason.
Currently, China is going full-tilt to lock up minerals world-wide. If they can make the case to Japan that they can replace the US in that regard, at a substantial savings, we would face a huge military and status loss of enormous proportions. Japan is tired of their 10-15 yr recession, I’m sure. Their natural aggression may be running out of patience.


37 posted on 11/29/2011 7:59:14 PM PST by TwoSwords
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To: Revolting cat!

I’m still waiting for Obama’s Hawaiian birth certificate to be declassified.

TRANSPARENCY!


38 posted on 11/29/2011 8:12:46 PM PST by a fool in paradise (Since Obama's only challengers in 2012 are in the GOP debates, including him the next 15.)
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To: Chickensoup
Actually FDR was spoiling to get into the war and he backed the Japanese into a corner.

Is that you Ron Paul?

39 posted on 11/29/2011 8:19:44 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: Nailbiter; BartMan1

ping


40 posted on 11/29/2011 8:20:24 PM PST by IncPen (Educating Barack Obama has been the most expensive project in human history)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
The Coolidge Administration really blew it on the 9/11 attacks in New York. It was predicted in 1925!

The Time Will Come America . . .
Surrealist Revolution ^ | 1925 | unknown
Posted on 5/21/2002 8:05:56 PM by Raymond Hendrix
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/687281/posts



"The time will come, America,
When the hordes of Afghanistan
Will crash your gleaming airplanes
Into the shiny towers of Manhattan."

--Surrealist Revolution (1925)
Translated by Wlad Godzich

41 posted on 11/29/2011 8:26:12 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: Free ThinkerNY

BTTT!


42 posted on 11/29/2011 8:29:18 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: Chickensoup

“Actually FDR was spoiling to get into the war and he backed the Japanese into a corner.”

FDR embargoed Japan’s supply routes carrying fuel to the Japanese islands - fuel is imported. What was Japan going to do? Obviously, they were going to attack. They were embargoed by Naval ships. Who should they attack? Air bases?


43 posted on 11/29/2011 8:36:54 PM PST by Rembrandt (.. AND the donkey you rode in on.)
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Japan’s military had many problems during the war that were never overcome. Their army had spent years expecting to fight the Russians in the wastes of Siberia, and had honed their fighting skill against a fairly ragtag army in China. In addition, they were heavily dependent on advance intel and scouting before mounting an attack, and had a difficult to impossible time changing plans once the attack had begun and circumstances had changed. In addition, there was no concept of a joint command between the Imperial Army and Imperial Navy.

The Japanese had spent years doing recon of East Asia and Hawaii before launching the successful attacks (against fairly modest peacetime armies) of 1941-42. Once the advantages of surprise and advance scouting were gone, and they were projected into the jungles of the southwest pacific and atolls of the central pacific, they were quite literally out of their element. They fought very well, but without the ability to live off the land (as they had done in China) and effect resupply, they were doomed.

As to the events of Pearl Harbor, as an anonymous Freeper said some years ago, some people just don’t want to accept that, on a sunny morning in 1941, the United States was caught with its pants down.


44 posted on 11/29/2011 8:37:28 PM PST by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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To: kearnyirish2

I think a better way to regard the Japanese Army is that, of all the participants in World War II, they were the only one that had not learned the lessons of World War I. On many levels, from their rifles to their uniforms and tactics, they were reminiscent of a pre-1914 European army.


45 posted on 11/29/2011 8:41:26 PM PST by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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To: Free ThinkerNY

“In anticipation of open conflict with this country, Japan is vigorously utilizing every available agency to secure military, naval and commercial information, paying particular attention to the West Coast, the Panama Canal and the Territory of Hawaii.”

The US Pacfleet was based at Pearl. Of course the Japanese were going to have eyeballs on it. Same with the Brit, Dutch, and French bases.


46 posted on 11/29/2011 8:44:28 PM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: Rembrandt

“FDR embargoed Japan’s supply routes carrying fuel to the Japanese islands ,,,,,Japan’s supply routes carrying fuel to the Japanese islands - fuel is imported. What was Japan going to do?”

He did no such thing. We did not blockaid or interdict ANY supply routes. We only refused to sell them goods that they would use for their continuing A-hole act in China. Instead of knocking off their crap and acting right, they decided to expand their war and attack and gain the oil, rubber and other resources in Southeast Asia and Indonesia.

But they were not forced into an attack,,,unless of course you agree that they had a right to continue to do their brutal attack in China with free access to American raw materials. Do you argue we SHOULD have kept the oil and raw materials flowing to the Japanese war machine?


47 posted on 11/29/2011 9:21:41 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Rembrandt

“They were embargoed by Naval ships.”

They were not. Unless i missed the USN interdicting ships sailing FROM the USA towards Japan. We merely created a national policy of not selling to them. I know this is crazy, but Japan was still free to buy oil from the Dutch in SE Asia.
Japan wasn’t forced to do anything aggressive by US policy. They did that on their own and got two nukes in return. Now they are good.


48 posted on 11/29/2011 9:29:02 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: DesertRhino
We did not blockaid or interdict ANY supply routes. We only refused to sell them goods that they would use for their continuing A-hole act in China. Instead of knocking off their crap and acting right, they decided to expand their war and attack and gain the oil, rubber and other resources in Southeast Asia and Indonesia.

But they were not forced into an attack,,,unless of course you agree that they had a right to continue to do their brutal attack in China with free access to American raw materials. Do you argue we SHOULD have kept the oil and raw materials flowing to the Japanese war machine?

What childish logic. The fact is that the Japanese WOULD attack us if we interfered IN ANY WAY with their oil and raw material pipelines, and we knew it. The were imperialistic, murderous and belligerent and waging war in China, and run by an Army hell bent on ruling the entire "Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere." There was NO WAY they weren't going to attack under ANY conditions of being restrained.

So - given that WORLD WAR is the alternative, what "should" we have done? Well, if we WANTED to fight, we certainly did the right thing. If we didn't, then any student of international politics could have come up with several dozen alternatives to what we DID do.

Roosevelt & Co. wanted the war, not just against Japan but also to get into it in Europe. But they needed a reason the people of the USA would go for. Pearl Harbor was the reason, and the idiot Japanese war machine was the perfect target for their trap.

49 posted on 11/29/2011 10:57:31 PM PST by Talisker (History will show the Illuminati won the ultimate Darwin Award.)
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To: TwoSwords

The oil embargo by the US was the major factor; after they evolved into a modern country, they were expected to return to the Stone Age. Indonesia was the solution to that problem; it provided the oil to keep them going.

You can bet that if the US had no oil we would have invaded the Arabian Peninsula during the embargo in the 1970s.


50 posted on 11/30/2011 2:21:48 AM PST by kearnyirish2
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