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Cain's lawyer demands records from accuser
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Posted on 12/01/2011 9:15:51 AM PST by Fred

ATLANTA (AP) - An attorney for Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain has demanded cell phone records from an Atlanta businesswoman accusing Cain of an extramarital affair.

Cain attorney Lin Wood sent a letter Wednesday to a lawyer representing Ginger White asking that Cain's team be provided with cell phone records showing calls and text messages between White and Cain.

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1 posted on 12/01/2011 9:15:55 AM PST by Fred
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To: Fred

About time. Good luck getting them though. And what do they even prove?


2 posted on 12/01/2011 9:22:17 AM PST by thesaleboat (Pray The Rosary Daily (Our Lady, July 13, 1917))
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To: Fred

Put the screws to anyone Leftist who tries to slime a Republican candidate.


3 posted on 12/01/2011 9:22:59 AM PST by Old Sarge (RIP FReeper Skyraider (1930-2011) - You Are Missed)
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To: Fred

It seems as if he could go on offense and release his own cell phone and text records. He would have those readily available and could put this whole thing to rest.

Then, it would be up to her to prove something more happened!


4 posted on 12/01/2011 9:23:38 AM PST by davandbar
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To: Fred
Good luck with that. They only need whores to accuse Cain of anything—they don't need to prove anything. What comes next if these accusations don't work? Accusations of pedophilia?
5 posted on 12/01/2011 9:24:01 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: Old Sarge

If she is telling the truth she will gladly give up the records. If she is lying, she will not give up the records.


6 posted on 12/01/2011 9:25:46 AM PST by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: Fred

This is a bit ridiculous. He knows whether he made them or not. Come on Cain. If you’re innocent of this then sue her for slander - depose her and have both of you go under oath. If you’re not innocent - then confess and move on.

This isn’t that difficult. Reassess nothing. You either had an affair or you did not. You denied it personally - your attorney said what happens between consenting adults is out of bounds. Enough charades.


7 posted on 12/01/2011 9:26:46 AM PST by ktupper
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To: Fred

So can her lawyer demand the same thing?


8 posted on 12/01/2011 9:32:21 AM PST by McGruff (Hold the House, retake the Senate.)
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To: ktupper
It's not ridiculous at all. It's called playing your cards close to the vest. The onus has been placed on Ginger White to cough up the records that prove her allegations. If she cannot do so, it establishes what is already suspected: she's a lying fat sow.

And it preserves Herman Cain's option of producing his OWN records if it should come to that.
9 posted on 12/01/2011 9:33:18 AM PST by mkjessup (I stand with Herman Cain!!)
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To: thesaleboat

It seems that White was sending the text messages asking Cain for more money.

If there are going to be law suits, it will be against the networks that are allowing Ginger White to run her pie hole on air. ABC has taken the bait...


10 posted on 12/01/2011 9:33:29 AM PST by Fred (Obamacare=Romneycare=Newtcare all are BigGovt)
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To: Fred

http://piersmorgan.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/01/why-we-still-care-a-look-at-the-aids-epidemic/

Piers Morgan

Herman Cain’s attorney Lin Wood will be an exclusive guest to discuss the text messages and phone calls brought up by Ginger White for the first time.


11 posted on 12/01/2011 9:35:37 AM PST by maggief
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To: davandbar

But releasing HER records will show who ELSE she has been talking to, including anyone who may be paying her for her story. Depending on whether they can access all of her records, or only the ones related to Cain.


12 posted on 12/01/2011 9:35:50 AM PST by BagCamAddict (How about you post in support of YOUR candidate, instead of trashing all the others??)
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To: Old Sarge

Put the screws to anyone Leftist who tries to slime a Republican candidate.

Sue the crums until they are standing on the street corner selling pencils!


13 posted on 12/01/2011 9:36:49 AM PST by Bitsy
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To: maggief

sweet, nice work


14 posted on 12/01/2011 9:38:13 AM PST by Fred (Obamacare=Romneycare=Newtcare all are BigGovt)
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To: Fred

I want them to expose who put her up to this!

The only way they will be able to do this is to put legal pressure on her, validating WHY they are demanding phone records. First steps to doing what NEEDS to be done.

This issue is now far more important to me than Cain getting the nomination. These evil bastards need to be taken down.


15 posted on 12/01/2011 9:38:21 AM PST by Safrguns
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To: thesaleboat

The media reported 61 calls or text messages in four months, making it sound like 1 every other day.

But from the brief snapshot that that one of the network showed of the records, you could see that most were text messages and part of the same conversation.

Thus if he can get a copy of the records and actual text messages and if the text messages are all business. Then he can show that instead of 61 phone calls over 4 months, that there were only 5 or 6 text conversations over 4 months and they were all business related or her asking for help, or her calling him.


16 posted on 12/01/2011 9:39:11 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: davandbar

I see no reason why Cain should release his personal records. Those records would have numbers and contacts on them that are privy information to his campaign. If he were to release records with redaction of any kind the press would have a field day questioning each and every redacted item.


17 posted on 12/01/2011 9:39:40 AM PST by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: Fred

Actually better is if there was truly no hanky panky going on and it was all congenial then release the actual text contents and if it is shown she was hitting up Cain for $$ then show it.


18 posted on 12/01/2011 9:40:05 AM PST by tflabo (Restore the Republic)
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To: mkjessup

and, it would eliminate the “falsified” claim from the left


19 posted on 12/01/2011 9:40:12 AM PST by Razwan (Yeah, yeah, I know...Razwan, member since 30 June 2000)
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To: thesaleboat

The media reported 61 calls or text messages in four months, making it sound like 1 every other day.

But from the brief snapshot that that one of the network showed of the records, you could see that most were text messages and part of the same conversation.

Thus if he can get a copy of the records and actual text messages and if the text messages are all business. Then he can show that instead of 61 phone calls over 4 months, that there were only 5 or 6 text conversations over 4 months and they were all business related or her asking for help, or her calling him.

This woman has already lost one lawsuit for libel, and had a protection order requested against her because she was threatening defamation of character to her business partner.


20 posted on 12/01/2011 9:40:19 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: Fred

If the process is as I understand it, and bringing action against this woman entitles her to a treasure trove of “discovery,” this move on Cain’s part would seem to indicate he has nothing to fear and may indeed be innocent.


21 posted on 12/01/2011 9:40:43 AM PST by Lady Lucky
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To: Bitsy

I like how you think...


22 posted on 12/01/2011 9:41:46 AM PST by Old Sarge (RIP FReeper Skyraider (1930-2011) - You Are Missed)
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To: Fred

She is pure trash. Looking for money out of this. She is a trashy whore. Herman needs to have his lawyer destroy this trash.


23 posted on 12/01/2011 9:42:15 AM PST by coon2000 (Give me Liberty or give me death!)
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To: Fred

Brilliant strategy actually. Cain’s lawyer demands the info, she refuses to comply. Cain’s lawyer files a civil suit against her, she has to respond, and, therefore, obtain representation to defend against the lawsuit.

That’s the key. Who will represent her (someone will), and who’s going to be paying for that representation as she obviously cannot.


24 posted on 12/01/2011 9:42:21 AM PST by nesnah
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To: Fred

Article moved from “Front Page” and “Breaking News” sidebars to Chat forum. The ways and whims of the mods are inscrutable.


25 posted on 12/01/2011 9:43:44 AM PST by CedarDave
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To: BagCamAddict

Yes, but he needs to get this behind him. If he can quickly show that this is blatantly false and he was just being benevolent, that is a win-win for him.

I just don’t think it’s that smart to play this as, “Let’s see what you have, and then I’ll come up with a response.” You’re on defense when you handle it that way.

If you had some bimbo accusing you of infidelity, would you tell your wife, “Well, let’s see if she can prove it,” if you could easily disprove it?

I just don’t think it’s a smart tactic at this point.


26 posted on 12/01/2011 9:44:38 AM PST by davandbar
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To: DannyTN
She was probably hoping that Cain would freak out when the reporter first texted Cain, and that Cain would offer her a ton of money to keep quiet. That didn't happen, so the report aired.

Why would she not call Cain first, and tell him that she had been hounded by reporters, and that she intended to talk to the reporters? Why would she let the reporter blind-side Cain by texting Cain... leading Cain into a trap?

Why would anyone do that to someone they claimed to be having a “lover's affair” with for 13 years. Or was it “13-14 years”? Or was it “off and on for 11 or so years”? Her story has already changed three times.

She has no photos, no cards/letters, no receipts, nothing to show from a 13-year affair. I still have photos and cards from a an Ex of mine that was only a 5-yr relationship, and it ended 5 years ago. She claims to have messed around with him for 13 years, and that only the PHYSICAL side of it ended 8 months ago, yet she has NOTHING to show from it? No way.

Blackmail. Pure and simple.

27 posted on 12/01/2011 9:48:36 AM PST by BagCamAddict (How about you post in support of YOUR candidate, instead of trashing all the others??)
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To: davandbar
The Primaries are only a month away. When any candidate has slipped that far and that fast in the polls as Cain has. It will not only take a miracle for him to recover, it will take a resurrection.
28 posted on 12/01/2011 9:49:04 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: McGruff

She’s the one making the allegation, so she has the burden of proof.


29 posted on 12/01/2011 9:51:32 AM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: Fred

If there are going to be law suits, it will be against the networks that are allowing Ginger White to run her pie hole on air. ABC has taken the bait...

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Really? Could Cain actually sue ABC for this? That would be sweet.


30 posted on 12/01/2011 9:58:46 AM PST by Bigg Red (Maryland girl on the Cain Train)
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To: ktupper

—”This is a bit ridiculous. He knows whether he made them or not. Come on Cain. If you’re innocent of this then sue her for slander”

Don’t you think that you are being a bit ridiculous if you think that one can sue for slander without providing tangible evidence?

After all, a libel lawsuit, like any other lawsuit, is a process. There are certain steps to be taken before filing with the court.

Mr. Cain’s lawyer IS gathering evidence for a libel suit. Part of that process involves collecting evidence from Cain’s accuser—such as her emails and text messages.

It’s as simple as that.

However, the Primaries will be long over with by the time the court gets around to hearing the case and “deposing” her.

Damage done; mission accomplished. Thank you Lame Stream Media.

Cheers


31 posted on 12/01/2011 9:59:09 AM PST by DoctorBulldog (I'm a Cainiac! Get over it. -- If the dress aint got no stain, you MUST acquit Cain! 999!!!)
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To: maggief
I can't wait to watch Piers try to interrupt Lin Wood anytime Wood makes a damaging point. That's what Piers did to Niger Innis in this interview.

Piers starts out by saying about Cain's campaign: “When he's saying to his supporters that he's going to reassess, it's over, isn't it?”

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2011/11/29/piers-innis-cain-accusations.cnn

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2011/11/30/piers-morgan-niger-innis-amy-holmes-cain.cnn

In the second clip, the woman disagrees with Niger Innis's premise and says that these kinds of allegations aren't happening towards Michelle Bachmann, another Tea Party Conservative. Well duh! Bachmann wasn't leading the race, so she didn't NEED to be taken down. Bachmann was no threat. What a maroon.

32 posted on 12/01/2011 10:01:04 AM PST by BagCamAddict (How about you post in support of YOUR candidate, instead of trashing all the others??)
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To: SeaHawkFan
[She’s the one making the allegation, so she has the burden of proof.]

So you don't know squat about the American legal system, do you.

This is under Civil Law, which is a preponderance of evidence. In other words, she is the plaintiff and Cain is the respondent. Which therefore places the burden of proof on Cain. That is, if this were actually a filed case. Which it is not. In addition to that, if this woman was out for extortion, she would not have made it public. So, money is not her motive. The consensus is, that she was notified that this anonymous affair between her and Cain had been discovered by the press, so she came forward voluntarily to protect her own interests.

In essence, she has already presented the details of the case first, with tentative evidence to support her claim. (Text messages) All they have from Cain is an informal denial. That is hardly an admission of innocence to any court, so the burden of proof is on Cain, which he cannot yet refute.

This is just getting started. And with just one month away until the primaries, Cain has no chance.

33 posted on 12/01/2011 10:07:38 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: ktupper

Forgive me but regarding a lawsuit for slander, you don’t know what you are talking about. It’s so easy to tell other people what to do, not so easy to do it.

It’s this little detail of a legal education and experience.


34 posted on 12/01/2011 10:07:47 AM PST by Williams (Honey Badger Don't Care)
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To: thesaleboat

So let me see if I understand you correctly. You think Cain didn’t handle this well. You think Cain and his attorney are slow on the uptake (”About time.”) to react and do this. But you also think it won’t prove anything.

So then why do you say “About time.” ?? If it’s not going to prove anything, then why do it at all?

And I’m assuming that even when Cain’s lawyer proves that this was all an attempt to blackmail Cain, you will refuse to believe that, because you have already determined that Cain:

A. Is guilty.

B. Doesn’t handle things right.

C. Isn’t fit to be President because of A and B.

Do I have it all correct?


35 posted on 12/01/2011 10:08:47 AM PST by BagCamAddict (How about you post in support of YOUR candidate, instead of trashing all the others??)
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To: davandbar
No, it doesn't ~ remember, the burden of proof is on the accuser. Assume for a moment Cain is totally innocent of any sin in this. He wouldn't have records pointing toward sin, right?

She claims all the records reflect lots of sin time with her.

We all need to see those records and she should make them public or David Axelrod should retire to a monestary in Russia or someplace.

36 posted on 12/01/2011 10:17:07 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

There is no legal case at present therefore analogies to a legal case are pointless.

A lawsuit can take years and would result in Cain being deposed on a wide variety of subjects and being forced to turn over all kinds of records. It is not a panacea.

The people on here who constantly insist someone should “simply” go to court are the types who get hauled out of courtrooms and thrown in jail for contempt bc they cannot fathom that the legal system isn’t there to do everything they want. These folks drive their lawyers crazy bc they discover all the court rules apply to them too, and that is just outrageous.


37 posted on 12/01/2011 10:17:38 AM PST by Williams (Honey Badger Don't Care)
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To: davandbar
Agree to disagree.

Lin Wood is the expert in his field, not me.

Wood has said CAIN needs to focus on his family and his campaign. Dealing with this trash in a court of law can come at some point down the road. There is a finite time between now and Iowa. Court can wait for Cain, the Campaign and the voting dates cannot.

Lin Wood, on the other hand, can be busy behind the scenes doing his job, which he is obviously doing. Legal action does take time though. Lin Wood has said he believes Cain. People will either have to believe Cain for the time being, until this can all get settled by attorneys, or they can vote for someone else. That's what it boils down to. Because the timeline on the elections is cast in stone. Allegations cannot be controlled, and there could be one every week from now through March. Allegations are not facts. No facts have been presented of any affair.

Again, you clearly disagree. That is your right, and I respect your right to disagree.

38 posted on 12/01/2011 10:18:43 AM PST by BagCamAddict (How about you post in support of YOUR candidate, instead of trashing all the others??)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

BTW, a preponderance means you gots’ ta’ have something ~ and Ginger has provided nothing. She’s not suing Cain.


39 posted on 12/01/2011 10:19:58 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah; All

Tonight on CNN

Herman Cain’s, atty, Lin Wood, will discuss the txt msgs & phone calls by Ginger White |Pier Morgan CNN http://bit.ly/rXddJZ


40 posted on 12/01/2011 10:21:37 AM PST by Fred (Obamacare=Romneycare=Newtcare all are BigGovt)
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To: Fred
....maybe Cain should send a representative to "reason" with Ms.White....(in the style of Vito Corleone)....

...get to the bottom of this once and for all...

41 posted on 12/01/2011 10:25:09 AM PST by B.O. Plenty (Elections have consequences....)
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To: thesaleboat

Obviously, Cain’s own cell records will document any calls/texts between the two, but White’s phone records will show WHO ELSE she has been talking to. That could be very interesting.

I’m pleased to see Cain deny these accusations & go after White. If he will now file a defamation suit & then get a sworn deposition from her. If she is lying, I seriously doubt she would lie at deposition. That alone may end this thing.

I sure hope so.


42 posted on 12/01/2011 10:25:20 AM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Safrguns
Water boarding her would produce the information many of us seek. :-)
43 posted on 12/01/2011 10:26:31 AM PST by verity (The Obama Administration is a Criminal Enterprise.)
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To: davandbar

Good point, but what if Lin Wood already has all the text messages and phone calls? Cain can get his own records too.


44 posted on 12/01/2011 10:28:07 AM PST by Fred (Obamacare=Romneycare=Newtcare all are BigGovt)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Cain has plenty of chance and time in this election. A week will be an eternity times 2.

McCain was dead and buried after Iowa last election and got second in NH then won SC and then was the leader. Cain is in third right now.

Nice try though.

Pray for Cain


45 posted on 12/01/2011 10:37:23 AM PST by bray (The Tea Party Occupies their Mind)
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Fat chance they’ll get anything although I’m sure they can just subpoena the cell carrier. This vindictive ho will probably fade to the background like the others. She probably already cashed the check and mission has been accomplished by the establishment Republicans...destroy Cain’s likeability and thus his chances.


46 posted on 12/01/2011 10:38:48 AM PST by r0tten
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To: muawiyah

In the court of law—yes, but not in the court of public opinion.

For example, when Cain’s attorney gave that weird statement about this being a private affair, from a legal standpoint he is exactly right. But, it didn’t put anyone’s mind at ease regarding whether Cain had had the affair or not—especially not in Free Republic’s court of public opinion. Many thought just the opposite.

I can believe his story, but I don’t think he’s playing smart politics at this point.


47 posted on 12/01/2011 10:40:59 AM PST by davandbar
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

He needs to nail this bitch so he has a shot at the VP slot.


48 posted on 12/01/2011 10:42:33 AM PST by Raebie (WS)
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To: Fred
from a related article

Lin Wood, Cain’s attorney, told the AJC on Wednesday that he thinks most of the messages were asking for money,

..A review of the records by The Atlanta Journal-Constitution shows Cain sent 17 text messages to White, almost always responding to messages from her

White's past business partner tried to take out a restraining order against her for stalking.

49 posted on 12/01/2011 11:04:21 AM PST by opentalk
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To: thesaleboat

They can prove if most of the emails and texts were originated by her, she better have proof, just mouthing a affair does not mean one took place...I like the idea of a discovery session by Cain’s lawyer...it will be more brutal than her so called accusation...where is Gloria allred. She usually is on the TV daily when she takes on a client. Or am I confusing which female this is about...I’d love to see both that were interviewed on TV going through discovery. Cain can also show damage’s if they are lying. It affected his run for president...


50 posted on 12/01/2011 11:15:55 AM PST by goat granny
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