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Do You Believe Herman Cain
Nodems2000

Posted on 12/01/2011 7:04:57 PM PST by Nodems2000

Well what does everyone think after the Hannity interview? I've listened carefully to all his interviews and even though I liked Herman very much, I believe he was involved with these women, even if they are scumbags. First, has anyone noticed how he seems to "prey" on women who are vulnerable and bogged down with financial and legal issues? Second, he has said repeatedly "my wife loves me so much" but he's yet to say "I love MY wife so much". Doesn't that sound very egomanical? Third, he said his wife would never tell him not to run. I'm suspecting she wouldn't dare tell him not to run because she's riding the Cain Train too - the Cain Money Train. If you watched her interview she sure didn't seem to be madly in love with him from things she said. And now he's going to "analyze" the phone bills to see if they match up with hers and he and his attorney will do an investigation. When Sean suggested he could get the info to clear himself very easily, such as videotapes in hotels, plane tickets, etc., etc. he suggested Sean wanted him to play detective! Well, sorry Herman, but it would take all of ten minutes to pick up the phone, call the Ritz downtown Atlanta and ask for videotapes on such a date and at such a time! That would end it once and for all. Him and his "analyzing". God help the 3 a.m. phone call - God forbid the red phone goes off for a missle coming our way - by the time he got done analyzing we'd all be bar-b-que!


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To: Apollo5600

>> it’s crazy to even make such absurd comments.

Specifically, what comment do you consider to be absurd?


51 posted on 12/01/2011 7:36:33 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: Nodems2000

I believed him after Bimbo’s #1 through #3, then I started getting skeptical.


52 posted on 12/01/2011 7:37:10 PM PST by catfish1957 (Save a Pretzel for the Gas Jets!!!)
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To: Jonty30
"Only one of the five have accused him of trying to have sex with them and what she accused him of doing is nearly physically impossible."

The latest women said she had a 13 year "affair". I don't know about you but to me an affair means sex.

53 posted on 12/01/2011 7:38:48 PM PST by Spunky (Sarah Palin on Polls "Poles are for Strippers and Cross Country Skiers")
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To: Nodems2000
I don't believe Cain. However, I also wouldn't calling it "Praying", it's just those are the type of women who would sleep with a married man.

When the Left told us that "it's just sex, it wont affect the way he governs" in regards to Clinton we responded that 'it speaks to his character'. We know now that we were right, he used the Presidency to line his pockets by selling off our national secrets to China and capped off his legacy with 9/11. Now, we are at that road again. Only this time it is our candidate. We now have three women that have come forward to tells us that Herman Cain has a character problem. His response is to deny and blame others. He blamed Rick Perry and his campaign, he has blamed the "Democrat Machine" and he has blamed Rahm Emanuel.

Cain denied the first allegations in October saying it was a hit piece and there was no truth to it, but then we found out that yes, he was accused of sexual harassment at the NRA but told Geta on FNC that it was investigated and found to be baseless. But then we found out that actually, there was a settlement paid. The next woman to come forward he has denied knowing the women, yet we have testimony that contradicts that from an impartial source and from the woman's pediatrician boyfriend. Now, we have allegations of a 13 year affair. What's the give away? The reporter used the woman's phone to text Cain and he called back!  His excuse? Yeah, he knows her but it's because he's been giving her money. PLEASE!  Now we find out that he hid it from his wife!

When people of responsibility chose to lie it is not simply their character and integrity at risk; we all suffer the consequences that follow the lie.

54 posted on 12/01/2011 7:38:50 PM PST by txroadkill (FreeRepublic.com- "A Wretched Hive of Scum and Villany" - Zotted Romney Troll)
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To: Nodems2000
Come one, if you've been around enough women you know there's a good percentage of "nightmare" scenarios that match the profiles of these women.

Yeah, I do believe him. I mean, unless he truly IS SUPERMAN and did all those girls while he had stage 4 cancer.

55 posted on 12/01/2011 7:38:50 PM PST by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: catfish1957
THERE ARE ONLY 3 and all are not to be believed.

There are no others! Doesn't mean Axelrod won't come up with something else but eventually even he will run out of sexual fantasies.

56 posted on 12/01/2011 7:39:02 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Nervous Tick

Where you’re accusing the “response” from being ineffective, despite the constant information coming out on this. It’s the same narrative we hear from day one, yet I don’t see where the response could be any different, or where we even know what’s going to happen next. History teaches that a lot can change in a very short period of time. To sit around playing Quarter Back every step of the way is absurd.


57 posted on 12/01/2011 7:39:10 PM PST by Apollo5600 (Cain 2012)
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To: buccaneer81

Are you seriously proposing that what Herman Cain himself says about the situation cannot be considered in my judgment of the situation?


58 posted on 12/01/2011 7:39:26 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: Apollo5600
Did you see Lin Wood tear apart Piers Morgan tonight?

Lin Wood put the accusations in perspective. The clincher was when Lin said he'd come back with facts after Piers had asked the questions to Ms White.

I don't believe there will be a follow-up.

59 posted on 12/01/2011 7:39:50 PM PST by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!)
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To: Apollo5600

Well, like I said I don’t know what the truth is and don’t want to pile on, Herman, but I just would like to see him fight like a man falsely accused.


60 posted on 12/01/2011 7:40:21 PM PST by ez ("Abashed the Devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, "Paradise Lost")
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To: Spunky

What I don’t get is how Cain thought that a 13 year affair could be kept from prying media and opponents. Was he that naieve that he thought he would be able to pull it off?


61 posted on 12/01/2011 7:40:40 PM PST by catfish1957 (Save a Pretzel for the Gas Jets!!!)
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To: txroadkill
The pediatrician boyfriend was not impartial. He has his own legal problems ~ focused primarily about walking away with somebody else's money.

I really you didn't fall for that con.

62 posted on 12/01/2011 7:41:18 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Apollo5600

>> Where you’re accusing the “response” from being ineffective, despite the constant information coming out on this.

That sentence makes no sense.

Try again?


63 posted on 12/01/2011 7:41:42 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: Yaelle

Don’t be nieve! Anyone can swear over and over they did nothing wrong. Liars are good and will take it to the grave never admitting their lies!


64 posted on 12/01/2011 7:41:44 PM PST by Halls (Jesus is my Lord and Savior)
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To: Nervous Tick

Yes, I am.


65 posted on 12/01/2011 7:42:00 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Nervous Tick

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In other words, you’re playing QB in a game you aren’t even in. Step back. Take a breath. Stop living minute by minute. And put a higher standard on what “proves” a claim, and whether or not someone is “guilty before proven innocent” or the other way around.


66 posted on 12/01/2011 7:43:16 PM PST by Apollo5600 (Cain 2012)
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To: catfish1957
The logical alternative is that it never happened.

Logic is a good thing.

67 posted on 12/01/2011 7:43:55 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: catfish1957

Why do you think there was a 13 year affair?


68 posted on 12/01/2011 7:44:06 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Spunky

Remember when you and I had our ten year fling?

Anybody can accuse anybody of anything. It’s easy to do.

She says she sent him 60 texts to Cain, in the last month. That may be true, but what are the content of those texts.

Maybe she sent him texts like, “do I look good in blue” and Cain responded, “sure”. If you read that on your husband’s cell phone, texts like that and nothing more, would you really assume that there was an affair?

Maybe she’s just a crazy women, and they do exist, who send texts to men all the time.


69 posted on 12/01/2011 7:45:18 PM PST by Jonty30 (If a person won't learn under the best of times, than he must learn under the worst of times.)
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To: lonestar
Are you calling me a liar...

nope, just calling you biased

70 posted on 12/01/2011 7:45:26 PM PST by CAluvdubya (Cain is not the one that called me "heartless" and "inhumane"! MERRY CHRISTMAS!)
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To: Halls
Liars are good and will take it to the grave never admitting their lies!

Herman Cain, a Christian and a minister, knows the eternal destiny of liars. Liars spend eternity in the lake of fire. A lie is an abomination to the Lord and should not be taken lightly.

71 posted on 12/01/2011 7:47:08 PM PST by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!)
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To: Nodems2000
Unless Cain's accusers can produce one of these three items as in the cases of Bill Clinton, Jesse Jackson and John Edwards, then I believe Cain for the time being!
72 posted on 12/01/2011 7:48:47 PM PST by Trueblackman (Posting on FR since 1998 and 100% teleprompter free post as well.)
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To: buccaneer81

Seriously? I can’t weigh the freely offered words and actions of the accused?

What then? I have to believe *your* take on it?

Sorry. Does not compute.


74 posted on 12/01/2011 7:50:28 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: Nodems2000

There is a lot to like about Herman Cain, I do believe him. Yet he has a flaky campaign manager and his campaign has not always gone smoothly and he has made mistakes.

I am concerned that a few accusations without facts have harmed a good candidate. I do believe that this was orchestrated to knock him out of the race. Herman could have dealth with this better.

I am concerned that good leaders will not want to run because of the media mania to overplay stupid insignifant issues rather than address the problems that our nation faces. We need problem solvers, and at least Herman was a problem solver.


76 posted on 12/01/2011 7:50:48 PM PST by ADSUM (Body of Christ is the Church, gathered around the crucified risen Lord and fed by Him in Communion.)
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To: beebuster2000
beebuster, Don't like Cain...fine then don't vote for him.
But please tell us all how you gained so much campaign experience? What campaigns have you successfully run/been associated with? Hmm?

You feel the need to talk about him because you don't know what the hell else to say, mainly from your lack of experience.

77 posted on 12/01/2011 7:51:02 PM PST by TheCause ("that these United Colonies are, and of right ought to be, free and independent States")
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To: stars & stripes forever

I wonder if Cain can go after these women and sue them on a hate crime charge? They are all white women going after a black man.....he should do it!


78 posted on 12/01/2011 7:51:22 PM PST by CAluvdubya (Cain is not the one that called me "heartless" and "inhumane"! MERRY CHRISTMAS!)
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To: icwhatudo

...who also cheated on his wife...this field sucks, IMHO.


79 posted on 12/01/2011 7:51:37 PM PST by SirLurkedalot (I'm toning it down as much as I can.)
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To: Nervous Tick
I see no guilt in his words, yet you see a confession. That does not compute.

No proof = not guilty.

80 posted on 12/01/2011 7:53:37 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: Nodems2000

Yes, and don’t quit.


81 posted on 12/01/2011 7:54:51 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Caipirabob

” Yeah, I do believe him. I mean, unless he truly IS SUPERMAN and did all those girls while he had stage 4 cancer. “

The first four women accused Cain when he was at the NRA in the late 1990s.
White and Cain both agree that their relationship ( his words ) began in 1998.
Cain was not diagnosed with Stage IV Colon and Liver cancer until 2006 , when he had surgery and began chemo .
His last treatment , according to his book, was in Jan 2007 and he said he has been cancer free since then.


82 posted on 12/01/2011 7:55:17 PM PST by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: Nodems2000

She sent him 50 texts out of 2500 in a month. She is a shakedown artist.

Pray for America


83 posted on 12/01/2011 7:55:40 PM PST by bray (The Tea Party Occupies their Mind)
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To: muawiyah
Didn't say he was, the lady Beck interviewed was the impartial one. That was the first link, the boyfriend was the second link. Trust me, I have no regard for these women, I think they are all despicable.

My problem is with Cain. His handling of all of this is my problem. He has yet to be truthful or take responsibility for his own actions. You can brush off the majority of it as opportunistic people but that he failed to recognize that makes him a poor judge of character and failed to protect his employer. If he worked for me I would fire him for that alone.

The new woman, he hid her from his wife. You can excuse that until you're blue in the face but every guy out here knows why you hide a 13 year relationship from your wife and every woman out here knows what she would think if it was her husband. Even if he never acted on it he still protected the possibility otherwise he would have told his wife. It speaks to his character.

84 posted on 12/01/2011 7:55:49 PM PST by txroadkill (FreeRepublic.com- "A Wretched Hive of Scum and Villany" - Zotted Romney Troll)
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To: muawiyah

Apparently Obama and Rahm are behind it. Obama couldn’t stand to run against a real black man.


85 posted on 12/01/2011 7:56:57 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Nodems2000

You all are so Alinskyfied that you can’t see the Tactics from a hole in the ground.

C’mon Alinsky’s tactics were based, not on Stalin’s revolutionary violence, but on the Neo-Marxist strategies of Antonio Gramsci, an Italian Communist. Relying on gradualism, infiltration and the dialectic process rather than a bloody revolution, Gramsci’s transformational Marxism was so subtle that few even noticed the deliberate changes.

Like Alinsky, Mikhail Gorbachev followed Gramsci, not Lenin. In fact, Gramsci aroused Stalins’s wrath by suggesting that Lenin’s revolutionary plan wouldn’t work in the West. Instead the primary assault would be on Biblical absolutes and Christian values, which must be crushed as a social force before the new face of Communism could rise and flourish.

Do you get it now? It’s all a ruse. It’s a Soros orchestrated ruse.

Educate yourselves. OK?


86 posted on 12/01/2011 7:57:00 PM PST by HighlyOpinionated (I am Roman Catholic, US Citizen, Patriot, TEA Party Alumni, Oath Keeper, Voter, Auburn Fan!)
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To: muawiyah
Well, correct or not that is what is being reported. I want to give Cain the benefit of the doubt, but his crisis managment and damage control techniques have been nothing short of a disaster. A man who has reached this far up the business food chain would have gotten that type of training. I have seen the pressers, and I have no doubt that there is some truth to it. Is it as salacious as his detractors are making out? .... I hope not.

In any case Mr. Cain better nip this in the bud fast, or he will be flaming out soon.

87 posted on 12/01/2011 7:58:03 PM PST by catfish1957 (Save a Pretzel for the Gas Jets!!!)
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To: SirLurkedalot; icwhatudo

ic, I’m soooo glad I’m not the only one that didn’t recognize that your tongue was sticking in your cheek. :D


88 posted on 12/01/2011 7:58:56 PM PST by CAluvdubya (Cain is not the one that called me "heartless" and "inhumane"! MERRY CHRISTMAS!)
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To: patriot08

Yes.


89 posted on 12/01/2011 7:59:04 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Nodems2000
What the hell, we nailed Christ to a cross. Why not destroy our own over some baseless accusations from incredulous sources.

It's disheartening to see the number or freepers, from the Newt Camp..no less, that do nothing pimp leftist tripe in order to tear down conservative candidates. IMO, Newt is above this, his supported should be as well. Instead, they argue like liberals. Pathetic. Obama aint the problem, he's the symptom.

90 posted on 12/01/2011 8:00:09 PM PST by Dead Dog
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To: Apollo5600

>> In other words, you’re playing QB in a game you aren’t even in.

Huh? WTF are you talking about? I’m deciding who to vote for as president of my country! I damn sure have skin in this game.

>> Step back. Take a breath. Stop living minute by minute.

Huh? Stop weighing the facts as they come in? What sort of alternative universe do you occupy?

>> And put a higher standard on what “proves” a claim, and whether or not someone is “guilty before proven innocent” or the other way around.

Herman Cain is not on trial for a crime. He IS on trial before me, and my vote, for his character (or lack thereof). The standards that I apply are my own, not some court-of-law rules and certainly not the lax naive hero-worship standards of a Cain cult fanatic like you. When the first bimbo eruptions came to light I gave him the benefit of the doubt (you could research that claim right here on FR if you care to). But when HE by his OWN VOLUNTARY ADMISSION advises that he paid monthly maintenance over thirteen YEARS to a single woman — on TOP of the other bimbo eruption claims — I draw what to me is the only conclusion that I can draw. Herman cain is a HORN DOG in the Clintoon mold.

Case closed! (for me)

If you want to worship the character-flawed clown, and vote for him, knock yourself out.


91 posted on 12/01/2011 8:00:37 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: Nodems2000

I’ll add my 2 cents to this...

As many here know, I am not a Herman Cain supporter. My lack of support for him has nothing to do with these scandals.

I find this whole fiasco very disturbing. Like any decent person, I don’t like the idea of baseless (if it is truly baseless) character assassinations and the torpedoing of campaigns. It all seems to easy and who will be the next victim to get this same type of baseless torpedoing? I like Herman personally (caveat that this is all bunk) and I really feel terrible about what is happening to him. I saw him on Hannity tonight and he seems to be holding up well and that’s a testament to his characters (again caveat if this is all bunk).

I know the caveats above my be disturbing to some, but I don’t REALLY KNOW what the truth really is and I don’t think anybody can. However, for now I’m inclined to give Herman the benefit of the doubt - mostly because the evidence isn’t in the least conclusive and everybody is and should be presumed innocent.

On the other hand I don’t want to totally discount the accusers either. I heard Rush casting doubt about their credibility today on his show. The first thought that crossed my mind was “that’s a bit hypocritical”. Didn’t the left try to assassinate the character of Jennifer Flowers, Kathleen Willey and Monica Lewinsky? Didn’t Rush, Hannity, Levin etc. defend these women against these attempts? Perhaps, Flowers had more concrete evidence initially to base a defense on (the Clinton tape) and warranted a defense right out of the box. Kathleen only had her word, if my memory serves (let me know if it doesn’t). Monica was in the same boat initially as Kathleen until she produced the blue dress and put the issue to bed. Perhaps I’m all wet here. Maybe me memory of the events is too foggy now. I’d be interested in your views on it...

All told... I feel a bit conflicted by this whole thing...


92 posted on 12/01/2011 8:00:49 PM PST by TBBT
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To: Nodems2000

It’s obvious Mr Cain knows how to “spread the wealth”, his wealth. He helps those in need. Some people are born that way.

Some women are leeches.

If Mr Cain had affairs, I only care about them if the act raises or lowers my taxes and keeps us safe from terrorists.

As to Mrs Cain, it’s a private matter between her and her husband.

OTOH, obama had no affairs and look how he rules us.


94 posted on 12/01/2011 8:02:20 PM PST by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: Nervous Tick

You should have just given me that post to begin with, then I would have known not to bother reasoning with you. Thanks for wasting several minutes of my life I won’t get back.


95 posted on 12/01/2011 8:02:23 PM PST by Apollo5600 (Cain 2012)
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To: txroadkill

>> The new woman, he hid her from his wife. You can excuse that until you’re blue in the face but every guy out here knows why you hide a 13 year relationship from your wife and every woman out here knows what she would think if it was her husband. Even if he never acted on it he still protected the possibility otherwise he would have told his wife. It speaks to his character.

Exactly so. I’d have to suspend major disbelief to back Cain at this point.

And remember — it wasn’t a 60 minutes news crew that uncovered the thirteen years of hiding the truth from his wife. It was Herman Cain’s own admission.


96 posted on 12/01/2011 8:04:29 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: SirLurkedalot
this field sucks, IMHO.

Man do I ever agree. This is by far the most important election in our nation's history, and the GOP field is absolutely pathetic.

I am especially angry at Jim DeMint and Sarah Palin, because I am sure they both know, that they are needed, and are the only ones who can be our "Reagan" in this absoltue critical time. Our founding fathers did the right thing, though it wasn't the path to least resistance. (Sigh, we are screwed)

97 posted on 12/01/2011 8:04:37 PM PST by catfish1957 (Save a Pretzel for the Gas Jets!!!)
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To: Apollo5600
"The media plays the same g ame with everything else, whether it is Michael Jackson or some other random thing that peaks their tabloid interest. I never suspected it was something conservatives would take part of."

Sign up date, 11-18-11. According to this you are a newbie so you have no idea the kind of things the Freepers discuss. These kind of threads have been going since I signed up in 2000.

98 posted on 12/01/2011 8:05:11 PM PST by Spunky (Sarah Palin on Polls "Poles are for Strippers and Cross Country Skiers")
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To: Apollo5600

You and reason are not even in the same zip code.

Buh bye.


99 posted on 12/01/2011 8:05:40 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: potlatch

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I have never before seen a man that I know of deliberately put himself in so many silly compromising and incredibly stupid situations

FR has become a pro & con battleground and Obama is raking in the cash, changing the subject, and getting away with lies that the ignorant public swallows and blindly repeats for him

JFK, Clinton, and Obama had/have the SS, FBI, DOJ, NAACP, ACLU, NOW and the media playing defense for them

No Republican will ever have that

We do not need a naive candidate or a knave candidate

You can all “teach them a lesson” again in 2012

That has worked out ever so well in the past

4 more years?

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100 posted on 12/01/2011 8:11:30 PM PST by devolve (- - - - - - - - - - - - - - CAPITOL GAMES TAQIYYA - - - - - - - - - - - - - -)
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