Skip to comments.Do You Believe Herman Cain
Posted on 12/01/2011 7:04:57 PM PST by Nodems2000
Well what does everyone think after the Hannity interview? I've listened carefully to all his interviews and even though I liked Herman very much, I believe he was involved with these women, even if they are scumbags. First, has anyone noticed how he seems to "prey" on women who are vulnerable and bogged down with financial and legal issues? Second, he has said repeatedly "my wife loves me so much" but he's yet to say "I love MY wife so much". Doesn't that sound very egomanical? Third, he said his wife would never tell him not to run. I'm suspecting she wouldn't dare tell him not to run because she's riding the Cain Train too - the Cain Money Train. If you watched her interview she sure didn't seem to be madly in love with him from things she said. And now he's going to "analyze" the phone bills to see if they match up with hers and he and his attorney will do an investigation. When Sean suggested he could get the info to clear himself very easily, such as videotapes in hotels, plane tickets, etc., etc. he suggested Sean wanted him to play detective! Well, sorry Herman, but it would take all of ten minutes to pick up the phone, call the Ritz downtown Atlanta and ask for videotapes on such a date and at such a time! That would end it once and for all. Him and his "analyzing". God help the 3 a.m. phone call - God forbid the red phone goes off for a missle coming our way - by the time he got done analyzing we'd all be bar-b-que!
>> its crazy to even make such absurd comments.
Specifically, what comment do you consider to be absurd?
I believed him after Bimbo’s #1 through #3, then I started getting skeptical.
The latest women said she had a 13 year "affair". I don't know about you but to me an affair means sex.
When the Left told us that "it's just sex, it wont affect the way he governs" in regards to Clinton we responded that 'it speaks to his character'. We know now that we were right, he used the Presidency to line his pockets by selling off our national secrets to China and capped off his legacy with 9/11. Now, we are at that road again. Only this time it is our candidate. We now have three women that have come forward to tells us that Herman Cain has a character problem. His response is to deny and blame others. He blamed Rick Perry and his campaign, he has blamed the "Democrat Machine" and he has blamed Rahm Emanuel.
Cain denied the first allegations in October saying it was a hit piece and there was no truth to it, but then we found out that yes, he was accused of sexual harassment at the NRA but told Geta on FNC that it was investigated and found to be baseless. But then we found out that actually, there was a settlement paid. The next woman to come forward he has denied knowing the women, yet we have testimony that contradicts that from an impartial source and from the woman's pediatrician boyfriend. Now, we have allegations of a 13 year affair. What's the give away? The reporter used the woman's phone to text Cain and he called back! His excuse? Yeah, he knows her but it's because he's been giving her money. PLEASE! Now we find out that he hid it from his wife!
When people of responsibility chose to lie it is not simply their character and integrity at risk; we all suffer the consequences that follow the lie.
Yeah, I do believe him. I mean, unless he truly IS SUPERMAN and did all those girls while he had stage 4 cancer.
There are no others! Doesn't mean Axelrod won't come up with something else but eventually even he will run out of sexual fantasies.
Where you’re accusing the “response” from being ineffective, despite the constant information coming out on this. It’s the same narrative we hear from day one, yet I don’t see where the response could be any different, or where we even know what’s going to happen next. History teaches that a lot can change in a very short period of time. To sit around playing Quarter Back every step of the way is absurd.
Are you seriously proposing that what Herman Cain himself says about the situation cannot be considered in my judgment of the situation?
Lin Wood put the accusations in perspective. The clincher was when Lin said he'd come back with facts after Piers had asked the questions to Ms White.
I don't believe there will be a follow-up.
Well, like I said I don’t know what the truth is and don’t want to pile on, Herman, but I just would like to see him fight like a man falsely accused.
What I don’t get is how Cain thought that a 13 year affair could be kept from prying media and opponents. Was he that naieve that he thought he would be able to pull it off?
I really you didn't fall for that con.
>> Where youre accusing the response from being ineffective, despite the constant information coming out on this.
That sentence makes no sense.
Don’t be nieve! Anyone can swear over and over they did nothing wrong. Liars are good and will take it to the grave never admitting their lies!
Yes, I am.
In other words, you’re playing QB in a game you aren’t even in. Step back. Take a breath. Stop living minute by minute. And put a higher standard on what “proves” a claim, and whether or not someone is “guilty before proven innocent” or the other way around.
Logic is a good thing.
Why do you think there was a 13 year affair?
Remember when you and I had our ten year fling?
Anybody can accuse anybody of anything. It’s easy to do.
She says she sent him 60 texts to Cain, in the last month. That may be true, but what are the content of those texts.
Maybe she sent him texts like, “do I look good in blue” and Cain responded, “sure”. If you read that on your husband’s cell phone, texts like that and nothing more, would you really assume that there was an affair?
Maybe she’s just a crazy women, and they do exist, who send texts to men all the time.
nope, just calling you biased
Herman Cain, a Christian and a minister, knows the eternal destiny of liars. Liars spend eternity in the lake of fire. A lie is an abomination to the Lord and should not be taken lightly.
Seriously? I can’t weigh the freely offered words and actions of the accused?
What then? I have to believe *your* take on it?
Sorry. Does not compute.
There is a lot to like about Herman Cain, I do believe him. Yet he has a flaky campaign manager and his campaign has not always gone smoothly and he has made mistakes.
I am concerned that a few accusations without facts have harmed a good candidate. I do believe that this was orchestrated to knock him out of the race. Herman could have dealth with this better.
I am concerned that good leaders will not want to run because of the media mania to overplay stupid insignifant issues rather than address the problems that our nation faces. We need problem solvers, and at least Herman was a problem solver.
You feel the need to talk about him because you don't know what the hell else to say, mainly from your lack of experience.
I wonder if Cain can go after these women and sue them on a hate crime charge? They are all white women going after a black man.....he should do it!
...who also cheated on his wife...this field sucks, IMHO.
No proof = not guilty.
Yes, and don’t quit.
” Yeah, I do believe him. I mean, unless he truly IS SUPERMAN and did all those girls while he had stage 4 cancer. “
The first four women accused Cain when he was at the NRA in the late 1990s.
White and Cain both agree that their relationship ( his words ) began in 1998.
Cain was not diagnosed with Stage IV Colon and Liver cancer until 2006 , when he had surgery and began chemo .
His last treatment , according to his book, was in Jan 2007 and he said he has been cancer free since then.
She sent him 50 texts out of 2500 in a month. She is a shakedown artist.
Pray for America
My problem is with Cain. His handling of all of this is my problem. He has yet to be truthful or take responsibility for his own actions. You can brush off the majority of it as opportunistic people but that he failed to recognize that makes him a poor judge of character and failed to protect his employer. If he worked for me I would fire him for that alone.
The new woman, he hid her from his wife. You can excuse that until you're blue in the face but every guy out here knows why you hide a 13 year relationship from your wife and every woman out here knows what she would think if it was her husband. Even if he never acted on it he still protected the possibility otherwise he would have told his wife. It speaks to his character.
Apparently Obama and Rahm are behind it. Obama couldn’t stand to run against a real black man.
You all are so Alinskyfied that you can’t see the Tactics from a hole in the ground.
C’mon Alinsky’s tactics were based, not on Stalin’s revolutionary violence, but on the Neo-Marxist strategies of Antonio Gramsci, an Italian Communist. Relying on gradualism, infiltration and the dialectic process rather than a bloody revolution, Gramsci’s transformational Marxism was so subtle that few even noticed the deliberate changes.
Like Alinsky, Mikhail Gorbachev followed Gramsci, not Lenin. In fact, Gramsci aroused Stalins’s wrath by suggesting that Lenin’s revolutionary plan wouldn’t work in the West. Instead the primary assault would be on Biblical absolutes and Christian values, which must be crushed as a social force before the new face of Communism could rise and flourish.
Do you get it now? It’s all a ruse. It’s a Soros orchestrated ruse.
Educate yourselves. OK?
In any case Mr. Cain better nip this in the bud fast, or he will be flaming out soon.
ic, I’m soooo glad I’m not the only one that didn’t recognize that your tongue was sticking in your cheek. :D
It's disheartening to see the number or freepers, from the Newt Camp..no less, that do nothing pimp leftist tripe in order to tear down conservative candidates. IMO, Newt is above this, his supported should be as well. Instead, they argue like liberals. Pathetic. Obama aint the problem, he's the symptom.
>> In other words, youre playing QB in a game you arent even in.
Huh? WTF are you talking about? I’m deciding who to vote for as president of my country! I damn sure have skin in this game.
>> Step back. Take a breath. Stop living minute by minute.
Huh? Stop weighing the facts as they come in? What sort of alternative universe do you occupy?
>> And put a higher standard on what proves a claim, and whether or not someone is guilty before proven innocent or the other way around.
Herman Cain is not on trial for a crime. He IS on trial before me, and my vote, for his character (or lack thereof). The standards that I apply are my own, not some court-of-law rules and certainly not the lax naive hero-worship standards of a Cain cult fanatic like you. When the first bimbo eruptions came to light I gave him the benefit of the doubt (you could research that claim right here on FR if you care to). But when HE by his OWN VOLUNTARY ADMISSION advises that he paid monthly maintenance over thirteen YEARS to a single woman — on TOP of the other bimbo eruption claims — I draw what to me is the only conclusion that I can draw. Herman cain is a HORN DOG in the Clintoon mold.
Case closed! (for me)
If you want to worship the character-flawed clown, and vote for him, knock yourself out.
I’ll add my 2 cents to this...
As many here know, I am not a Herman Cain supporter. My lack of support for him has nothing to do with these scandals.
I find this whole fiasco very disturbing. Like any decent person, I don’t like the idea of baseless (if it is truly baseless) character assassinations and the torpedoing of campaigns. It all seems to easy and who will be the next victim to get this same type of baseless torpedoing? I like Herman personally (caveat that this is all bunk) and I really feel terrible about what is happening to him. I saw him on Hannity tonight and he seems to be holding up well and that’s a testament to his characters (again caveat if this is all bunk).
I know the caveats above my be disturbing to some, but I don’t REALLY KNOW what the truth really is and I don’t think anybody can. However, for now I’m inclined to give Herman the benefit of the doubt - mostly because the evidence isn’t in the least conclusive and everybody is and should be presumed innocent.
On the other hand I don’t want to totally discount the accusers either. I heard Rush casting doubt about their credibility today on his show. The first thought that crossed my mind was “that’s a bit hypocritical”. Didn’t the left try to assassinate the character of Jennifer Flowers, Kathleen Willey and Monica Lewinsky? Didn’t Rush, Hannity, Levin etc. defend these women against these attempts? Perhaps, Flowers had more concrete evidence initially to base a defense on (the Clinton tape) and warranted a defense right out of the box. Kathleen only had her word, if my memory serves (let me know if it doesn’t). Monica was in the same boat initially as Kathleen until she produced the blue dress and put the issue to bed. Perhaps I’m all wet here. Maybe me memory of the events is too foggy now. I’d be interested in your views on it...
All told... I feel a bit conflicted by this whole thing...
It’s obvious Mr Cain knows how to “spread the wealth”, his wealth. He helps those in need. Some people are born that way.
Some women are leeches.
If Mr Cain had affairs, I only care about them if the act raises or lowers my taxes and keeps us safe from terrorists.
As to Mrs Cain, it’s a private matter between her and her husband.
OTOH, obama had no affairs and look how he rules us.
You should have just given me that post to begin with, then I would have known not to bother reasoning with you. Thanks for wasting several minutes of my life I won’t get back.
>> The new woman, he hid her from his wife. You can excuse that until you’re blue in the face but every guy out here knows why you hide a 13 year relationship from your wife and every woman out here knows what she would think if it was her husband. Even if he never acted on it he still protected the possibility otherwise he would have told his wife. It speaks to his character.
Exactly so. I’d have to suspend major disbelief to back Cain at this point.
And remember — it wasn’t a 60 minutes news crew that uncovered the thirteen years of hiding the truth from his wife. It was Herman Cain’s own admission.
Man do I ever agree. This is by far the most important election in our nation's history, and the GOP field is absolutely pathetic.
I am especially angry at Jim DeMint and Sarah Palin, because I am sure they both know, that they are needed, and are the only ones who can be our "Reagan" in this absoltue critical time. Our founding fathers did the right thing, though it wasn't the path to least resistance. (Sigh, we are screwed)
Sign up date, 11-18-11. According to this you are a newbie so you have no idea the kind of things the Freepers discuss. These kind of threads have been going since I signed up in 2000.
You and reason are not even in the same zip code.
I have never before seen a man that I know of deliberately put himself in so many silly compromising and incredibly stupid situations
FR has become a pro & con battleground and Obama is raking in the cash, changing the subject, and getting away with lies that the ignorant public swallows and blindly repeats for him
JFK, Clinton, and Obama had/have the SS, FBI, DOJ, NAACP, ACLU, NOW and the media playing defense for them
No Republican will ever have that
We do not need a naive candidate or a knave candidate
You can all “teach them a lesson” again in 2012
That has worked out ever so well in the past
4 more years?
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