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Considering land in Montana/Idaho.Need feedback and advice.
12/4/11 | gimme1ibertee

Posted on 12/04/2011 11:00:38 AM PST by gimme1ibertee

With all the craziness going on,i'm looking to find a relatively safe "go-to" place.I'd like to find something with plumbing,electricity not really necessary,because i'll be looking for alternate sources,maybe a generator,solar,etc....maybe within 30 or so miles of civilization for things like fuel or food.I have not traveled extensively so i'm not familiar with Montana/Idaho/or North/South Dakota laws.Any help from anyone living in these states would be appreciated.Thanks!


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1 posted on 12/04/2011 11:00:39 AM PST by gimme1ibertee
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To: gimme1ibertee

You might try this website:

http://www.survivalrealty.com/2009/04/remote-idaho-home.html


2 posted on 12/04/2011 11:07:16 AM PST by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
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To: gimme1ibertee

And another:

http://homes.trovit.com/remote-cabin-idaho


3 posted on 12/04/2011 11:08:37 AM PST by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
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To: gimme1ibertee

Beware the winters there....

maybe this gals place is still for sale...

http://www.newson6.com/story/9755793/oklahoma-woman-freezes-to-death-in-montana?clienttype=printable

MISSOULA, MT — A couple from Oklahoma that moved to Montana’s rugged mountains for a cheap place to live apparently got caught off guard by a snowstorm, with the woman freezing to death in their remote cabin.

Her common-law husband, suffering from hypothermia and starving, was found propped up against her body, with an array of weapons spread in a half circle in front of him, authorities said.

Mickey Charlene Davis, 67, had probably been dead for about two weeks when authorities reached the cabin Jan. 13, Powell County Sheriff Scott Howard said.

The man, 44-year-old Jack McWhorter, had only a few bouillon cubes in his pocket, Howard said. Their two cats and two of their three dogs were also dead.

“They’d been in there for months, and they just flat ran out of food,” Howard said. “They didn’t have good clothing, they didn’t have any firewood cut, and no way to even start a fire.”

McWhorter was evacuated by snowmobile more than 20 miles, and spent several days in a hospital. He declined to talk about the ordeal Wednesday, the Missoulian newspaper reported.

Howard said McWhorter and Davis apparently had their eye on the inexpensive 20-acre lot when they arrived sometime early last year.

They had some sort of agreement with the landowner but “didn’t realize what they were getting into.”

“They planned to live there year-round,” Howard said. “They saw an ad and thought that would be wonderful place to be, with absolutely no knowledge what a mountain snowstorm can do.”

No one had seen the couple for months, until neighbors who lived three miles away asked two snowmobilers to check on them. Howard said McWhorter told the snowmobilers to call authorities because his wife was dead.

Authorities gave Davis a county burial in Deer Lodge after attempts to locate her family were unsuccessful. Her driver’s license listed her hometown as Salina, Okla.

Howard said McWhorter is too emotional to talk much, but the sheriff figures things got bad starting when snowstorms hit in late November.

He found McWhorter sitting on the floor against his wife’s body, with the weapons nearby.

“I don’t know if he was worried about us,” Howard said. “... I don’t know what was going through his head.”


4 posted on 12/04/2011 11:21:48 AM PST by digger48
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To: gimme1ibertee
lived, worked and skied south east idaho....loved it

SE Idaho

5 posted on 12/04/2011 11:27:13 AM PST by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts." Richard Feynman father of Quantum Physics)
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To: gimme1ibertee

It depends on your needs and those of your family. If you want to get far far away from it all in Idaho the center of the state is a great place to be. Clearwater and Idaho counties specifically. Great fishing and hunting and not many people.

If you want to be relatively close to major shopping, health care, airport, etc, I would suggest looking north of Moscow up to the Canadian border. Couer d’Alene/Post Falls/Spokane are growing together and offer it all. You can find some beautiful property within 90 minutes and it’s a nice place to be.

Kalispell and all of northwest Montana is beautiful country too but I don’t know many specifics. We vacation there on Flathead lake every year and Glacier and the Canadian Rockies are incredible.

Best of luck to you and remember to prepare soil, start garden, prepare more soil and have room to expand! :)

FR is little goofy today so if this double posts - sorry.


6 posted on 12/04/2011 11:28:17 AM PST by volunbeer (Keep the dope, we'll make the change in 2012!)
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To: gimme1ibertee

Montana is full. Try North Dakota, I hear it is nice. :-p

Kidding aside, Kalispell is full of Californication Trust Fund babies and quite liberal. Same sort of the thing is happening around Sand Point, Idaho. These folks never learn, they screwed up the left coast, and now they take their anti-gun, anti-God, anti-hunting, anti-family attitudes where ever they go.

Central and Eastern Montana has some of the coldest weather in the lower 48.

Good luck, btw.

Gunner


7 posted on 12/04/2011 11:42:24 AM PST by weps4ret (Democrats + Liberal Stream Media = Blood Liable)
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To: gimme1ibertee
Land and real estate in Western North Dakota and Eastern Montana north of Glendive are at a premium right now, with housing prices through the roof ($2000.00/month and up for a two-bedroom apt, to give you an idea). The Bakken Oil Boom has filled almost every available house, and land prices, even without mineral rights, are high. (OTOH, there is work in the region).

Maybe further south near the Balck Hills in South Dakota (a mite milder weather, too).

8 posted on 12/04/2011 11:44:08 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: illiac

OOOOh!!! Thanks a bunch!!!


9 posted on 12/04/2011 11:48:32 AM PST by gimme1ibertee ("Criticism......brings attention to an unhealthy state of things"-Winston Churchill)
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To: gimme1ibertee

Take a look at the Missouri Ozarks.
Low taxes, plenty of fishing, turkey and deer hunting.
Hot in the summer but otherwise mild climate.
Did I mention low taxes ?


10 posted on 12/04/2011 11:56:07 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: digger48

OMG!! How crazy is that, to just take off and get yourself into a situation like that? I’d never,ever consider such a move without expert firsthand advice and some training.Hubby’s from southwestern WVA,nice mountainous area,and when we married,we moved there for about five years. I can hunt,handle a weapon and am pretty hardy overall,and know the importance of self-defense from human and animal aggressors.I also know the importance of food stockpiling and storage. Sounds like these people just decided to “wing it”-and it cost them and their pets their lives.Just crazy.You should never underestimate mother nature.


11 posted on 12/04/2011 11:57:19 AM PST by gimme1ibertee ("Criticism......brings attention to an unhealthy state of things"-Winston Churchill)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks; All
Thanks Eric...i'll check that out!
The links to survival properties I got included Missouri,but I didn't get too far into looking at the different states.I may stay east of the Mississippi.Whatever I get isn't going to involve a lot of acreage,under 5 acres probably.

Thanks a ton for all the advice...Another reason why I enjoy FR and the terrific friends I have here! ((hugs)) to all of you!
12 posted on 12/04/2011 12:05:51 PM PST by gimme1ibertee ("Criticism......brings attention to an unhealthy state of things"-Winston Churchill)
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To: gimme1ibertee
Indeed you are correct. Mother nature never sleeps, and she trims the species efficiently if allowed to do so. You might check out www.survivalblog.com for notions and ideas. Attitude is very important. I know many folks living completely off grid in Northern Idaho and Montana. They wintered over through 240 inches of total snowfall in 2009 just fine. Gunner
13 posted on 12/04/2011 12:07:19 PM PST by weps4ret (Democrats + Liberal Stream Media = Blood Liable)
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To: weps4ret

Thanks gunner...appreciate the link.


14 posted on 12/04/2011 12:13:37 PM PST by gimme1ibertee ("Criticism......brings attention to an unhealthy state of things"-Winston Churchill)
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To: gimme1ibertee

Take a bunch of heavy coats, gloves and a good heater with ya.


15 posted on 12/04/2011 12:14:12 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: gimme1ibertee
I will live in Montana. And I will marry a round American woman and raise rabbits, and she will cook them for me. And I will have a pickup truck, maybe even a...recreational vehicle.


16 posted on 12/04/2011 12:15:43 PM PST by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-Free zones are playgrounds for felons)
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To: gimme1ibertee

ID is the most conservative of the states you listed. (Obama lost ID by 25%, SD by 8%, ND by 8% and MT by 2%.) S. ID is largely arid w/ a significant Mormon population. Central and N. ID are greener.


17 posted on 12/04/2011 1:03:40 PM PST by matt1234 (Bring back the HUAC.)
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To: gimme1ibertee

Having lived and traveled extensively in MT, ND and MN, none are good survivalist choices.

You need to be in a place where you can get clean, unfrozen surface water all year. Also, it needs to be forested and hilly and near extensive national forests. Finally, it needs to be on the western slopes of a mountain range for regular rainfall in the dry months of summer.

Find a location where there are coastal ranges that swing close to the ocean, like OR and WA. Western OR offers a warmer climate, long growing season, good soil, a great respect for privacy.

Google Florence, OR.


18 posted on 12/04/2011 1:09:19 PM PST by gandalftb (11th MEU, 2/4 Echo, TRAP Force)
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To: gimme1ibertee

I am in NW Montana, Kalispell area. You seem to be from Maryland... I would HIGHLY suggest a move out here first, close to town, or even in town. Winters in the NW Rockies can be brutal, and being out in the woods and ‘unplugged’ takes a certain.... knack... Unless you have experience at it (which is denied if your life has been spent back east), I think it would do you well to acclimatize and socialize out here before you bite off more than you can chew. MUCH depends upon social network back in the sticks, and I can pretty well guarantee that until your back-east accent wears off and you have a firm sense of redneck etiquette, the kind of friends you’ll need to have will be few and far between. Folks like Easterners a bit better than Californicators... but that ain’t saying much... No offense meant. Just sayin.


19 posted on 12/04/2011 1:21:45 PM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: gimme1ibertee

I second the Oregon option. We’re a blue state, mostly due to the Portland area. But southern OR is pretty conservative. You might want to consider the area around Klamath Falls, as well as the coast.


20 posted on 12/04/2011 1:45:23 PM PST by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: roamer_1
Oh,ok...kinda like the way easterners tend to keep a wary eye on you folks from west of the Mississippi!! LOL
Thanks to the advice/feedback i've been getting from everyone,I think I may just stay east,and maybe end up with something along the eastern mountain range.No more acreage than what i'm looking for,it looks as if that's gonna be a better fit for me.
Besides,i'm not too crazy about the brutal winters. I know they can be pretty bad.I've done a little research on the lay of the land out there but didn't have enough information to make a definite decision.I wanted to hear from people who live in those states,and,now that I have,guess i'm sticking close to home.
21 posted on 12/04/2011 1:52:29 PM PST by gimme1ibertee ("Criticism......brings attention to an unhealthy state of things"-Winston Churchill)
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To: gimme1ibertee
Click on Google, and go to “Tobacco Valley News:. It is in the best little town in the West, Eureka Montana, 8 miles from Canadian Border. Small town 2,000 Population, Good Water supply Tobacco River runs right through town, and it is full of trout.The Name Tobacco Valley came from the old Mountain Men who used to winter there, in fact these old guys really did grow Tobacco. The weather is mild, same weather as Seattle just a day later.Good Schools. It is a town where you can do what ever you are big enough to do, but be sure you are big enough, Really Great Place. They celebrated for two days when they got their first electric Bacon Slicer. No stop lights, and the celebration lasted three days when they got a zip code. Great Place, and no Californians allowed.
22 posted on 12/04/2011 2:22:34 PM PST by BooBoo1000 ("Think for yourself")
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To: gimme1ibertee
Click on Google, and go to “Tobacco Valley News:. It is in the best little town in the West, Eureka Montana, 8 miles from Canadian Border. Small town 2,000 Population, Good Water supply Tobacco River runs right through town, and it is full of trout.The Name Tobacco Valley came from the old Mountain Men who used to winter there, in fact these old guys really did grow Tobacco. The weather is mild, same weather as Seattle just a day later.Good Schools. It is a town where you can do what ever you are big enough to do, but be sure you are big enough, Really Great Place. They celebrated for two days when they got their first electric Bacon Slicer. No stop lights, and the celebration lasted three days when they got a zip code. Great Place, and no Californians allowed.
23 posted on 12/04/2011 2:22:48 PM PST by BooBoo1000 ("Think for yourself")
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To: gimme1ibertee
Click on Google, and go to “Tobacco Valley News:. It is in the best little town in the West, Eureka Montana, 8 miles from Canadian Border. Small town 2,000 Population, Good Water supply Tobacco River runs right through town, and it is full of trout.The Name Tobacco Valley came from the old Mountain Men who used to winter there, in fact these old guys really did grow Tobacco. The weather is mild, same weather as Seattle just a day later.Good Schools. It is a town where you can do what ever you are big enough to do, but be sure you are big enough, Really Great Place. They celebrated for two days when they got their first electric Bacon Slicer. No stop lights, and the celebration lasted three days when they got a zip code. Great Place, and no Californians allowed.
24 posted on 12/04/2011 2:23:13 PM PST by BooBoo1000 ("Think for yourself")
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To: gimme1ibertee
I have 20 acres for sale, about 15 miles northeast of Sandpoint, Idaho; 8 miles to Wal-Mart in Ponderay. Gravel road 0.9 mile, to paved county road.

Timbered with Western Red Cedar, Fir, Hemlock, Alder, etc.; seasonal stream down the west property boundary; electric is on to a meter base; phone is at the corner of property; local wells produce good, and hit at less than 200 feet.

Timber on west 10 acres was select harvested in 1999; timber on the east 10 acres was ready to select harvest in 2010. Firewood will last in perpetuity.

Wildlife is abundant: deer, elk, moose, bear, mountain lion, etc. Must drive 15 miles to Sandpoint to hunt commies.

Slope is northwest-facing; snow 9 to 10 feet in winter; starts in November, melts in April.

933 Bobcat Lane, Sandpoint ID 83864

Price: $125,000

25 posted on 12/04/2011 2:43:30 PM PST by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: meadsjn

Thanks,but i’ve decided to stay east.Good luck getting a buyer!


26 posted on 12/04/2011 5:10:38 PM PST by gimme1ibertee ("Criticism......brings attention to an unhealthy state of things"-Winston Churchill)
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To: gimme1ibertee

What’s wrong with coming back to WV.? Southern WV is about as wild as it gets.


27 posted on 12/04/2011 7:18:35 PM PST by WVNan (!)
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To: gimme1ibertee
Good luck getting a buyer!

No kidding. I'm just waiting for timber prices to go back up.

28 posted on 12/04/2011 8:27:25 PM PST by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: gimme1ibertee
Oh,ok...kinda like the way easterners tend to keep a wary eye on you folks from west of the Mississippi!! LOL

I am from Chicago - though many decades ago... I don't mean to discourage you, as I am proof it can be done. It is the idea that y'all will traipse on out here, buy a place up in the mountains and go all Jeremiah Johnson that I want to discourage - It is nothing near reality... I have seen many a greenhorn with the same dream come up here, blow a wad of money, and run tuck-tailed back to wherever they come from... Too many to count.

The winters can be brutal indeed, but not so bad on the valley floors (like where I live). We generally get between 1-3 feet of snow, though I have seen a couple winters where I could walk right onto the roof of my garage... There is usually a period of several weeks of very below-zero weather in January... But generally the streets are plowed out in a day or two, it stays just below freezing, and most folks have a 4x4 to get around in... Up in the hills just a little ways it is an entirely different story. Steep mountain roads are not plowed out unless you and your neighbors do it... Services are non-existent. Most folks heat with wood or propane up there, run generators or just stay kerosene for lights, though many (with generators) have sat for TV and internet. Some places I know park their trucks at the general store and get back and forth from there to the homestead on snowcats all winter long.

If you are looking for conservatives and independent minded people though, it is one of the best places on the planet - I wouldn't live anywhere else, except maybe ID, WY or AK... and it truly is God's country. Plan a vacation trip out next summer and you will better understand the grandeur... both the glory of it and it's inherent danger.

But if you come for real, figure to buy a modest place close to town and get your feet under you for a few years... develop some skills... THEN you can better make it happen when you want to get out into the country.

Best of luck to you, wherever you may land - And you show wisdom in getting away from the city. I don't think there are many years until those places will be a desperate place to be.

29 posted on 12/04/2011 8:52:04 PM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: BooBoo1000

Horsepucky! There are Kalifornicans all over Lincoln County from Troy all the way to Eureka. I like Libby & Troy but the retirees from the left coast have driven prices through the roof! Yes, winters throughout the area can be a bitch!

Finally started looking in N. Arkansas, but prices are climbing there too.

JC


30 posted on 12/04/2011 9:07:12 PM PST by cracker45
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To: roamer_1

Excellent advice, except I would say rent a place first instead of buying, then when ready buy or look elsewhere while you still have options!

JC


31 posted on 12/04/2011 9:24:58 PM PST by cracker45
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To: roamer_1
It is the idea that y'all will traipse on out here, buy a place up in the mountains and go all Jeremiah Johnson

I can tell you from the bottom of my heart that I am NOT one of those people.That is the most foolish thing a person can do.I realize that.It's so silly to me that people put more effort into researching the latest computer or flat-screen TV than where they will live or how many kids they'll have.
That's exactly why I did some research and then turned to those of you who live in that part of the country for opinion and advice.
After getting the feedback I was looking for,i've decided to stay east.Thanks! :)
32 posted on 12/05/2011 3:12:58 PM PST by gimme1ibertee ("Criticism......brings attention to an unhealthy state of things"-Winston Churchill)
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To: WVNan
Southern WV is about as wild as it gets.

Whoa,don't I know it! LOL Lived there and married into the wildness....:P
33 posted on 12/05/2011 3:15:27 PM PST by gimme1ibertee ("Criticism......brings attention to an unhealthy state of things"-Winston Churchill)
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To: gimme1ibertee

So? Why not come back home? The mountains are great. You might check out some of the less “wild” parts of WV. Cost of Living is not bad here. I see lots of for sale signs in our area. Buyer’s market.


34 posted on 12/05/2011 7:39:21 PM PST by WVNan (!)
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