Skip to comments.Considering land in Montana/Idaho.Need feedback and advice.
Posted on 12/04/2011 11:00:38 AM PST by gimme1ibertee
With all the craziness going on,i'm looking to find a relatively safe "go-to" place.I'd like to find something with plumbing,electricity not really necessary,because i'll be looking for alternate sources,maybe a generator,solar,etc....maybe within 30 or so miles of civilization for things like fuel or food.I have not traveled extensively so i'm not familiar with Montana/Idaho/or North/South Dakota laws.Any help from anyone living in these states would be appreciated.Thanks!
You might try this website:
Beware the winters there....
maybe this gals place is still for sale...
MISSOULA, MT — A couple from Oklahoma that moved to Montana’s rugged mountains for a cheap place to live apparently got caught off guard by a snowstorm, with the woman freezing to death in their remote cabin.
Her common-law husband, suffering from hypothermia and starving, was found propped up against her body, with an array of weapons spread in a half circle in front of him, authorities said.
Mickey Charlene Davis, 67, had probably been dead for about two weeks when authorities reached the cabin Jan. 13, Powell County Sheriff Scott Howard said.
The man, 44-year-old Jack McWhorter, had only a few bouillon cubes in his pocket, Howard said. Their two cats and two of their three dogs were also dead.
“They’d been in there for months, and they just flat ran out of food,” Howard said. “They didn’t have good clothing, they didn’t have any firewood cut, and no way to even start a fire.”
McWhorter was evacuated by snowmobile more than 20 miles, and spent several days in a hospital. He declined to talk about the ordeal Wednesday, the Missoulian newspaper reported.
Howard said McWhorter and Davis apparently had their eye on the inexpensive 20-acre lot when they arrived sometime early last year.
They had some sort of agreement with the landowner but “didn’t realize what they were getting into.”
“They planned to live there year-round,” Howard said. “They saw an ad and thought that would be wonderful place to be, with absolutely no knowledge what a mountain snowstorm can do.”
No one had seen the couple for months, until neighbors who lived three miles away asked two snowmobilers to check on them. Howard said McWhorter told the snowmobilers to call authorities because his wife was dead.
Authorities gave Davis a county burial in Deer Lodge after attempts to locate her family were unsuccessful. Her driver’s license listed her hometown as Salina, Okla.
Howard said McWhorter is too emotional to talk much, but the sheriff figures things got bad starting when snowstorms hit in late November.
He found McWhorter sitting on the floor against his wife’s body, with the weapons nearby.
“I don’t know if he was worried about us,” Howard said. “... I don’t know what was going through his head.”
It depends on your needs and those of your family. If you want to get far far away from it all in Idaho the center of the state is a great place to be. Clearwater and Idaho counties specifically. Great fishing and hunting and not many people.
If you want to be relatively close to major shopping, health care, airport, etc, I would suggest looking north of Moscow up to the Canadian border. Couer d’Alene/Post Falls/Spokane are growing together and offer it all. You can find some beautiful property within 90 minutes and it’s a nice place to be.
Kalispell and all of northwest Montana is beautiful country too but I don’t know many specifics. We vacation there on Flathead lake every year and Glacier and the Canadian Rockies are incredible.
Best of luck to you and remember to prepare soil, start garden, prepare more soil and have room to expand! :)
FR is little goofy today so if this double posts - sorry.
Montana is full. Try North Dakota, I hear it is nice. :-p
Kidding aside, Kalispell is full of Californication Trust Fund babies and quite liberal. Same sort of the thing is happening around Sand Point, Idaho. These folks never learn, they screwed up the left coast, and now they take their anti-gun, anti-God, anti-hunting, anti-family attitudes where ever they go.
Central and Eastern Montana has some of the coldest weather in the lower 48.
Good luck, btw.
Maybe further south near the Balck Hills in South Dakota (a mite milder weather, too).
OOOOh!!! Thanks a bunch!!!
Take a look at the Missouri Ozarks.
Low taxes, plenty of fishing, turkey and deer hunting.
Hot in the summer but otherwise mild climate.
Did I mention low taxes ?
OMG!! How crazy is that, to just take off and get yourself into a situation like that? I’d never,ever consider such a move without expert firsthand advice and some training.Hubby’s from southwestern WVA,nice mountainous area,and when we married,we moved there for about five years. I can hunt,handle a weapon and am pretty hardy overall,and know the importance of self-defense from human and animal aggressors.I also know the importance of food stockpiling and storage. Sounds like these people just decided to “wing it”-and it cost them and their pets their lives.Just crazy.You should never underestimate mother nature.
Thanks gunner...appreciate the link.
Take a bunch of heavy coats, gloves and a good heater with ya.
ID is the most conservative of the states you listed. (Obama lost ID by 25%, SD by 8%, ND by 8% and MT by 2%.) S. ID is largely arid w/ a significant Mormon population. Central and N. ID are greener.
Having lived and traveled extensively in MT, ND and MN, none are good survivalist choices.
You need to be in a place where you can get clean, unfrozen surface water all year. Also, it needs to be forested and hilly and near extensive national forests. Finally, it needs to be on the western slopes of a mountain range for regular rainfall in the dry months of summer.
Find a location where there are coastal ranges that swing close to the ocean, like OR and WA. Western OR offers a warmer climate, long growing season, good soil, a great respect for privacy.
Google Florence, OR.
I am in NW Montana, Kalispell area. You seem to be from Maryland... I would HIGHLY suggest a move out here first, close to town, or even in town. Winters in the NW Rockies can be brutal, and being out in the woods and ‘unplugged’ takes a certain.... knack... Unless you have experience at it (which is denied if your life has been spent back east), I think it would do you well to acclimatize and socialize out here before you bite off more than you can chew. MUCH depends upon social network back in the sticks, and I can pretty well guarantee that until your back-east accent wears off and you have a firm sense of redneck etiquette, the kind of friends you’ll need to have will be few and far between. Folks like Easterners a bit better than Californicators... but that ain’t saying much... No offense meant. Just sayin.
I second the Oregon option. We’re a blue state, mostly due to the Portland area. But southern OR is pretty conservative. You might want to consider the area around Klamath Falls, as well as the coast.
Timbered with Western Red Cedar, Fir, Hemlock, Alder, etc.; seasonal stream down the west property boundary; electric is on to a meter base; phone is at the corner of property; local wells produce good, and hit at less than 200 feet.
Timber on west 10 acres was select harvested in 1999; timber on the east 10 acres was ready to select harvest in 2010. Firewood will last in perpetuity.
Wildlife is abundant: deer, elk, moose, bear, mountain lion, etc. Must drive 15 miles to Sandpoint to hunt commies.
Slope is northwest-facing; snow 9 to 10 feet in winter; starts in November, melts in April.
Thanks,but i’ve decided to stay east.Good luck getting a buyer!
What’s wrong with coming back to WV.? Southern WV is about as wild as it gets.
No kidding. I'm just waiting for timber prices to go back up.
I am from Chicago - though many decades ago... I don't mean to discourage you, as I am proof it can be done. It is the idea that y'all will traipse on out here, buy a place up in the mountains and go all Jeremiah Johnson that I want to discourage - It is nothing near reality... I have seen many a greenhorn with the same dream come up here, blow a wad of money, and run tuck-tailed back to wherever they come from... Too many to count.
The winters can be brutal indeed, but not so bad on the valley floors (like where I live). We generally get between 1-3 feet of snow, though I have seen a couple winters where I could walk right onto the roof of my garage... There is usually a period of several weeks of very below-zero weather in January... But generally the streets are plowed out in a day or two, it stays just below freezing, and most folks have a 4x4 to get around in... Up in the hills just a little ways it is an entirely different story. Steep mountain roads are not plowed out unless you and your neighbors do it... Services are non-existent. Most folks heat with wood or propane up there, run generators or just stay kerosene for lights, though many (with generators) have sat for TV and internet. Some places I know park their trucks at the general store and get back and forth from there to the homestead on snowcats all winter long.
If you are looking for conservatives and independent minded people though, it is one of the best places on the planet - I wouldn't live anywhere else, except maybe ID, WY or AK... and it truly is God's country. Plan a vacation trip out next summer and you will better understand the grandeur... both the glory of it and it's inherent danger.
But if you come for real, figure to buy a modest place close to town and get your feet under you for a few years... develop some skills... THEN you can better make it happen when you want to get out into the country.
Best of luck to you, wherever you may land - And you show wisdom in getting away from the city. I don't think there are many years until those places will be a desperate place to be.
Horsepucky! There are Kalifornicans all over Lincoln County from Troy all the way to Eureka. I like Libby & Troy but the retirees from the left coast have driven prices through the roof! Yes, winters throughout the area can be a bitch!
Finally started looking in N. Arkansas, but prices are climbing there too.
Excellent advice, except I would say rent a place first instead of buying, then when ready buy or look elsewhere while you still have options!
So? Why not come back home? The mountains are great. You might check out some of the less “wild” parts of WV. Cost of Living is not bad here. I see lots of for sale signs in our area. Buyer’s market.
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