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Who will be the Republican candidate (Vanity)
12/11/2011 | sparky21555

Posted on 12/11/2011 2:05:10 PM PST by Sparky21555

This is purely a gut check question. After the dust settles, whom do you believe will be the one. Not the one you may wish for, as I know it won't be mine.


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1 posted on 12/11/2011 2:05:19 PM PST by Sparky21555
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To: Sparky21555

Based on FR, you have to eliminate Bachmann, Romney, Gingrich, Perry, Santorum, Huntsman, and Paul (and Cain and Palin won’t be drafted).

So whoever is left will be the candidate!


2 posted on 12/11/2011 2:09:07 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Spoiler Alert! The secret to Terra Nova: THEY ARE ALL DEAD!!!)
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To: Sparky21555

Newt....maybe Mitt....who knows....
But if the GOP goes RINO...the party and the country will be destroyed


3 posted on 12/11/2011 2:09:16 PM PST by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: freedumb2003

Not a lot of choices left.


4 posted on 12/11/2011 2:11:01 PM PST by Sparky21555
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To: Sparky21555

The MSM will tear the survivor to shreds! The Nanny state will buy into it. We are so scr@wed!


5 posted on 12/11/2011 2:12:13 PM PST by Huskrrrr
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To: Sparky21555

What Yorlick803 said.


6 posted on 12/11/2011 2:12:21 PM PST by PENANCE
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To: Yorlik803

The top two are RINO’s. This is our choice next November.


7 posted on 12/11/2011 2:12:40 PM PST by Sparky21555
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To: PENANCE

Yorlik803, ... sorry.


8 posted on 12/11/2011 2:13:07 PM PST by PENANCE
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To: Sparky21555

I still think I’d put my money on Romney if I had to bet, but that’s looking less and less certain every day.

His stammering response in the debate last night when he was asked to specify which of Newt’s policy ideas he opposed exposed him as the intellectual lightweight he really is. It takes a lot to shake Romney off of his carefully maintained “Presidential” demeanor, but Newt is doing it.


9 posted on 12/11/2011 2:13:54 PM PST by The Pack Knight (Laugh, and the world laughs with you. Weep, and the world laughs at you.)
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To: Huskrrrr

Time to play the same game as the dhimms.


10 posted on 12/11/2011 2:14:24 PM PST by Sparky21555
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To: Sparky21555

The GOP has gone RINO. 2012 will be a repeat of 2008: RINO, Marxist, and third party.

I suggest going for the downstream candidates.


11 posted on 12/11/2011 2:16:13 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (Live Free or Die)
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To: Sparky21555

First I wanted Bachmann. She proved to be a disaster so I took a good long look at Perry. He too I found wanting. Herman Cain stole my heart for a time and thanks to Mitt and his dirty pool, Herman is gone.

I think that the nominee will be Newt.

See tagline.


12 posted on 12/11/2011 2:16:19 PM PST by Grunthor (We don’t LOVE Newt - heck we barely even like him. He's just the best of a rotten bunch)
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To: The Pack Knight

My money is on Newt. Far from my first choice, he looks to be the chosen one.


13 posted on 12/11/2011 2:17:22 PM PST by Sparky21555
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To: Sparky21555
I don't care who it is. My vote is AGAINST the MARXIST we now have.

I have NEVER pulled a straight Republican ticket, but this time it is certain.

14 posted on 12/11/2011 2:19:35 PM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Sparky21555

How do you do that? I mean, they lie about us and the larger electorate buys those lies. How do you lie about the Rats? Everything we hate, they brag about.

How do you construct anything that they have to respond to? They even give their own a pass on their pet lie, Global Warming. Algore’s “carbon footprint” is as large as Texas, but he doesn’t get criticized about it.

We have no way, that I know of, to play their game.


15 posted on 12/11/2011 2:22:28 PM PST by wolfpat (Not to know what has been transacted in former times is to be always a child. -- Cicero)
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To: rabscuttle385

The GOP went RINO back in the late 80’s. They joined forces with the dhimms to further their personal agenda. What Republican candidate has been out since Reagan?


16 posted on 12/11/2011 2:22:45 PM PST by Sparky21555
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To: Sparky21555

So far, it’s all been about polls.

There are a lot of votes yet to be cast.

My gut tells me Perry will overcome his difficulties and rise to the top.


17 posted on 12/11/2011 2:25:08 PM PST by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "p" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: Sparky21555

The way I see it our choices are....

1) mcromney, communist lite

2) mcgrinchrich, socialist lite

3) mcperry, the bushes 4th term

4) bachman, mcromneys puppet

5) ron paul, enough said

6) santorum, who??????

7) huntsman, who??????

looks like daffy duck gets my vote... no more mccandidates...


18 posted on 12/11/2011 2:26:31 PM PST by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: wolfpat

There are those out there much more smarter than I who know how the game is played.

Put the spin on infidelity as I read today mooshell is having an affair with a secret service agent. Look what the LSM did to Cain.


19 posted on 12/11/2011 2:31:25 PM PST by Sparky21555
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To: joe fonebone

Agreed, but the question was who will be the candidate?

I don’t think it’s as bad as the ‘08 choice. Not far from it though.


20 posted on 12/11/2011 2:35:06 PM PST by Sparky21555
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To: Sparky21555
Whoever it is he'll be miles above Hussein, the only president to actually shrink in the job.

Frankly I don't trust either Newt or Mitt, but of the two I'd have to say Newt. All I know is whoever it is I'm not staying home because he isn't conservative enough. We've got to get this usurper out. I'm with Beck, this election is truly the last exit ramp off the course we're on.

21 posted on 12/11/2011 2:35:46 PM PST by YankeeReb
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To: Sparky21555
Who will be the Republican candidate?

Hard to predict right now. But if some of the candidates are chicken to stand up to Donald Trump, it makes you wonder how they would stand up to Putin, Castro, Assaad, Kim Jong Ill, Hugo Chavez, Aminajad??? Should give us something to think about.

22 posted on 12/11/2011 2:40:56 PM PST by GoldenPup
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To: YankeeReb

Ultimately that is the answer to my question. ANYONE but omuzzie. Once he is out we can look to the future for TRUE Conservatives to regain our national offices.


23 posted on 12/11/2011 2:40:56 PM PST by Sparky21555
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To: Sparky21555
The GOP went RINO back in the late 80’s.

LOL. You're forgetting Ford and Nixon before him! A case could be made that Eisenhower fit the mold as well as Hoover, so the last conservative/libertarian President before Reagan was Coolidge. So I'd say the GOP has been "RINO" for a long, long time.

24 posted on 12/11/2011 2:41:06 PM PST by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: Sparky21555

Newt.

That’s the answer to your question.


25 posted on 12/11/2011 2:45:39 PM PST by rogue yam
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To: Sparky21555

I think it’s quite possible we will see a brokered convention, and someone not in the race now selected.


26 posted on 12/11/2011 2:47:05 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Sparky21555
Bachmann, Romney, Gingrich, Perry, Santorum, Huntsman, or Paul.

So here it goes:

1. To be truly successful, a candidate must be intelligent, fast on their feet, and able to not only articulate a message in such a way that it cuts through the media filter.
2. The candidate must be able to handle a hostile media.
3. The candidate needs to be politically savvy and have a network. The smartest most conservative person is worthless, if they have to rely on the GOP to flesh out their cabinet, as they'll be left with a RINO bureaucracy that has no loyalty.

With these things in mind we then look at ideology, which is NOT a dirty word. We want a POTUS that is as conservative as possible, while meeting 1-3.

Up until now, I have been watching the field, but I think the choice is no Newt. He's the smartest guy on the stage and he knows how Washington works. So let me get straight to his problems, as I know some of you are already headed fore the “reply” button.

1. Newt has had personal fidelity failures. OK, fine, I'm not hiring him as a camp counselor or having him escort my wife to a party. So that's not a dis-qualifier.
2. Newt has ethics issues in the past. I remember those issues and thought the charges were a crock at the time, so I'm not bothered by them.
3. Most troubling, Newt has a tendency to be like the Tom Cruz character in the movie “A Few Good Men” who was prone to decide and broker the outcome without a fight. This is my #1 problem with Newt. But I'm left hoping that as POTUS, he will find his muse to go for the throat every time.

Whoever our next POTUS is, the economy will get worse, much worse, as we have crossed the Rubicon of insane borrowing.

27 posted on 12/11/2011 2:48:53 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: GoldenPup

Rebubs lost their cajones years ago. It is time to get the old boys out of office, and mandate term limits for all offices, local, statewide and national.


28 posted on 12/11/2011 2:50:33 PM PST by Sparky21555
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To: Sparky21555; unixfox

>> After the dust settles, whom do you believe will be the one.

Of the ones left standing: I hope for Perry — overall I think he’d make the best *President*, if not the best *candidate* for President.

But I’m a practical man so my money’s on Gingrich to get the nod, and I can live with him as POTUS although he’s not my first choice.

as unixfox said: pulling the lever for (R) this go-round is a foregone conclusion.


29 posted on 12/11/2011 2:56:50 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: Sparky21555

based upon what I just posted, who cares???? the rino’s have won, and whoever we get just progresses the socialist agenda... My focus is now on the house and senate, THAT is the only resort we have left....


30 posted on 12/11/2011 3:02:19 PM PST by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: Sparky21555

It will be a man who has put on his country’s uniform and loves the land and the people. He has a great sense of humor and can laugh at himself. He looks healthy and alive. He can govern and make the country proud again. He’ s a proven winner. He has been all the things we once cherished in our beloved country....from Boy Scout to college student....to military member....husband....father. A smile without a wagging finger is something I look forward to. It’s ok that he isn’t a slick talker. Seeing a mind working appeals to me....even if the snapshots make you look like a healthy idiot. It’s ok with me.


31 posted on 12/11/2011 3:04:49 PM PST by FryingPan101 (Perry 2012)
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To: SampleMan; All

Thank you for that lucid reply.

All responces to my querry have been excellent.

Speaking for myself, I am unhappy with the choices we have. I will however pull the lever for whichever Repub is elected. NOBAMA!

I must leave now as Mrs Sparky and I are going to Church with the grandchildren.

Thank you all for participating.


32 posted on 12/11/2011 3:04:49 PM PST by Sparky21555
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To: Sparky21555

It’s these kind of questions that damns the Tea Party into obscurity.

You need to ask, “Who will be the conservative candidate that you vote for?”

For me, it’s Michelle Bachmann.


33 posted on 12/11/2011 3:18:24 PM PST by JohnBrownUSA (Don't Tread On America!)
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To: The Pack Knight
That was a very interesting moment. Romney could not really think of a Newt proposal he opposed. Came up with some lame BS about colonies on the moon.

It shows that Romney really doesn't know what other positions on the issues are, which means he hasn't studied the issues, just adopted some pre-canned positions.

Not a good night for Romney.

34 posted on 12/11/2011 3:18:41 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: wolfpat
Watch what Newt does when criticized or attacked. He reframes the attack as unreasonable and against a very desirable or reasonable position (that he happens to hold.)

EG: When Ron Paul (dishonestly) tried to make Newt out to be a lobbyist for FreddieMac, Newt reframed his business as a perfectly legitimate exercise in private sector free market commerce--which it was, btw. Made Paul look like he was against making money in private enterprise by dealing with the government.

35 posted on 12/11/2011 3:25:43 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Yorlik803
Newt....maybe Mitt....who knows.... But if the GOP goes RINO...the party and the country will be destroyed

If it's Newt or Mitt, they will have already gone RINO. I'm still holding out hope for a conservative instead.

36 posted on 12/11/2011 3:26:37 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: Sparky21555
Who will be the GOP candidate?

I have no idea. I have a suspicion that whoever it is they will be a rino.

And for me, this time around, dem, rino, no difference. The plea that we must have a Republican falls flat anymore. A fat lot of good all our erstwhile Repubs have done us judging by how far down the slippery slope to the brave new future we slipped.

I always thought we had a republic of laws based on the Constitution. And I've always thought the Constitution was almost an inspired piece of work. I think it was John Adams who said that it was generations of Puritan preachers who fought and won the real American Revolution in the hearts and minds of the people long before 1776.

I just cannot see how anyone can say there is much of a difference between Republicans and dems.

So I'm sorry to post a reply not exactly conforming to the question at hand. I guess my answer is that unless whoever it is is an actual republican then they are only a Republican. And Republicans don't impress me much anymore.

p.s. I've voted straight party ticket, Republican, since 1972. My first time in the voting booth, and I had what seemed like an epiphany that Richard Nixon was the only one that could be entrusted with our presidency. I still think so. Even if I would hestitate to buy a used care from him. (well slap my jaws)

37 posted on 12/11/2011 3:29:00 PM PST by hfr (Liberalism is a moral disorder that leads to mental disorder (actually it's sin))
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To: hfr

“used care” = “used car”, not “care” as in “care bear”.


38 posted on 12/11/2011 3:30:06 PM PST by hfr (Liberalism is a moral disorder that leads to mental disorder (actually it's sin))
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To: Grunthor
Why is Bachmann a disaster?
39 posted on 12/11/2011 3:31:24 PM PST by Radix ("..Democrats are holding a meeting today to decide whether to overturn the results of the election.")
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One, she’s a liar.

Two, she’s shrill.

Three, she’s got crazy eyes.

Four, she’s a hypocrit.

Five, well isn’t that enough?


40 posted on 12/11/2011 3:51:37 PM PST by Grunthor (We don’t LOVE Newt - heck we barely even like him. He's just the best of a rotten bunch)
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To: Sparky21555

41 posted on 12/11/2011 3:56:03 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: Sparky21555

That’s easy. A RINO.


42 posted on 12/11/2011 4:09:25 PM PST by bgill (The Obama administration is staging a coup. Wake up, America, before it's too late.)
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To: Grunthor

It is enough for me to know that it is worth saying that I’d just as soon not read more of your remarks out here on this site.

You have a case of the ass against her and that is understandable, I think.

You did not take my query seriously and so then I will not take you as such.


43 posted on 12/11/2011 4:19:15 PM PST by Radix ("..Democrats are holding a meeting today to decide whether to overturn the results of the election.")
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To: Sparky21555

I would guesstimate, at this point in time, that it currently looks like, in order of the chance of getting the nomination:

1. Newt

2. Mitt

3. Rick (Perry)

I’m leaning towards Perry as he is the most conservative of the three, but I’m not optimistic that he has enough time to get back in the race and take the nomination.


44 posted on 12/11/2011 4:27:13 PM PST by Signalman
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To: Radix

“It is enough for me to know that it is worth saying that I’d just as soon not read more of your remarks out here on this site.”

Is there another site that you WOULD like to read them on?

“You have a case of the ass against her and that is understandable, I think.”

Actually no, I hold no ill will for the woman whatsoever and can easily back up everything that I said to you about her. The neat thing is that I don’t have to, you know exactly what I am talking about. You have chosen to ignore her shortcomings, failings and more disturbing parts of her nature and appearance because you like her politically. I too like her politically, but not enough to overlook those things that I have brought up to you.

“You did not take my query seriously and so then I will not take you as such.”

I took your question extremely serious and answered in kind with no sarcasm nor tongue in cheek. You don’t like the answer I gave you?

Put some ice on it.


45 posted on 12/11/2011 4:30:13 PM PST by Grunthor (We don’t LOVE Newt - heck we barely even like him. He's just the best of a rotten bunch)
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I have a feeling it will be Newt but following the polls, the voters seem to have a very short attention span and jump to whomever is making news that week.

It is going to be down to who gets good soundbites and consistently avoids or deals best with whatever dirt is thrown at them.

Newt is quick on his feet but those feet can sometimes end up in his mouth. He has, however, already shown he is pretty teflon regarding his marriage issues. People know it and aren’t shocked by it.

The Perry from five years ago I used to know could have done well but I’m very disappointed in his debates. He used to have a good with and sharp comeback. I really don’t know what happened during the primary this year.

Romney and Paul seem to stay flat with their percentages. They have their loyal followers but outside those groups, they are unattractive enough to bring in any new followers. This will pretty much guarantee in the primaries Romney will get around 20% and Paul around 10% no matter what happens with them or other candidates. For Romney, that could result in success only if all the other candidates are sufficiently damaged and split the votes amongst themselves rather evenly to keep them all below 20%.

Bachmann came out of the gate strong and had potential but is blowing it. One thing, she is being seen as a tool for the attacks, usually jumping in the mud (see the 999/666 comments by her). It is turning a lot of folks off. Secondly, she has some great lines in the debates but then she keeps going and going and people forget the good lines. She has a potential to turn it around if she sharpens up a little and starts working on national attention that she can control (similar to how Perry has already started national advertising).

Santorum seems to be immune from attacks but has the dull factor that probably won’t lift him past the single digits. He needs to do something really amazing, really quickly or people will still be saying Santorum Who?.

Huntsman isn’t going anywhere. He has debated well but comes across fake. He isn’t trusted by Conservatives or undecided voters. He has a very small following, probably by those who have crossed off everyone else.

With all that, right now, based on the timing, I am predicting it will be Newt. If he can win the first few primiaries, he can control the momentum. It won’t be pretty and there will be some interesting fights.

However, the media will work their damnedest to make sure the primary lasts as long as possible and leaves everyone bloody. I could see where Newt takes Iowa and SC and then due to the liberal nature of the State as well as the growing libertarian population, Paul takes New Hampshire. The media will exploit this knowing Paul won’t be able to repeat that in other States so they will start promoting him and saying Newt is on his way out. Newt will then battle out some of the next States with Romney due to that beating. It will come down to numbers until some of the big States vote. I have a feeling it will still be open until Texas, whose primary is being moved out due to redistricting lawsuits. Whomever finally gets Texas will have the momentum for the rest of the primary.


46 posted on 12/11/2011 4:37:30 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Grunthor

I can get rather sarcastic myself at times.

I am almost famous for that quality in some corners and so I appreciate your comments more than it likely shows, (especially considering my comments a few minutes ago.)

I have not been very active on FR a lot for a good while now and so I do not really yet have a complete sense of who now is who out here these days and I need to get my bearings a bit.

I like Michele a lot more than I like Newt or Mitt. Perry seems lost every time that they turn on the red light and start asking questions.

I have voted for Romney twice in the past. Once for Senator and later for Governor. He simply is not worthy of a higher station as far as I am concerned.

The only two persons that I am absolutely that I will not be voting for next year is Mitt and or the Zero.

Nobody else is ruled out here by this Poster.’

Who do you support?


47 posted on 12/11/2011 4:47:47 PM PST by Radix ("..Democrats are holding a meeting today to decide whether to overturn the results of the election.")
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To: Radix

“I like Michele a lot more than I like Newt or Mitt. Perry seems lost every time that they turn on the red light and start asking questions.”

I could have written that very statement.

“I have voted for Romney twice in the past. Once for Senator and later for Governor. He simply is not worthy of a higher station as far as I am concerned.”

I can honestly tell you that I can fathom no scenario under which I vote for Romney. None.

“Who do you support?”

Support? No one. My tagline should tell you who I am resigned to probably having to vote for.


48 posted on 12/11/2011 4:53:26 PM PST by Grunthor (We dont LOVE Newt - heck we barely even like him. He's just the best of a rotten bunch)
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To: 2nd Bn, 11th Mar
So far, it’s all been about polls.

It's good to see a poster who is wary of polls. And your comment is right on the mark.

There are a lot of votes yet to be cast.

Yes indeed (all of the Primary votes in fact). Another on-the-mark comment.

My gut tells me Perry will overcome his difficulties and rise to the top.

I don't know if your gut is right, but I don't think Gov. Perry should be written off as easily as some apparently think. Time will certainly tell. We live in interesting times for sure.

49 posted on 12/11/2011 4:54:17 PM PST by Col Freeper (FR is a smorgasbord of Conservative thoughts and ideas - dig in and enjoy it to its fullest!)
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To: Sparky21555

Gingrich. It will be over by South Carolina.


50 posted on 12/11/2011 5:02:03 PM PST by MattinNJ
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