Skip to comments.**RIFLE VANITY** Long-Distance Shooting and Hunting
Posted on 12/17/2011 9:34:30 AM PST by rabidralph
I am looking to buy a rifle that would serve two purposes: primarily a long-distance shooter and secondarily a larger game taker downer :-)
I like to shoot beyond 600 yards and I want a rifle to suit that purpose. From info I've gathered, I should get a larger-calibered rifle, with at least a 24" barrel. I would like to keep the rifle below 10lbs because I also want to hunt with it some day. I am interested in hunting elk and moose, eventually. So I am thinking of a .308.
Try looking here. The guy has a good reputation.
The .375 H&H—depending on the bullet used you can drop a small deer with little damage or kill dead an elephant before it hits the ground.
Not exactly a sniper weapon but maybe the best “all round” game rifle on any continent.
I agree on limiting range with ultralight rifle. I hunt in forested areas not subject to longer ranges. In target shooting the ultralight barrel heats up very fast after a few shots, but for my use its perfect on normally one shot kills.
Good points on long barrels, although noting that the Mil Sniper models seem to have somewhat long barrels, also undersatnding that a true sniper rifle will have the most precise machine work and bedding which should reduce the long barrel “play” you mentioned.
Agreed. I use the 140gr in a 6.5x55 and the 200gr in a .300 H&H.
My friend has an M1A that he absolutely loves! This is him posing with it. They are beautiful rifles, no matter what the furniture. I would not turn my nose up at the M1A :-) Thanks for the animal-to-caliber comparison.
For Brown Bear, I favor controlled expansion myself. I prefer the Barnes 350 Gr. RN/FB. (Soft core, 50 thousanths pure copper jacket.) They retain over 95% mass even in full body penetrations. What is more impressive though, is their ability to break bone structure on dangerous game.
Actually, 600 yards is when the snipers begin to utilize the ballistic advantage of long distance shooting. The 600 yard zero is standard.
Heck, my wife uses iron sights with her M1A1 and places holes in the X ring at 600 yards, my eyes being a tad weak, i've went to glass for same.
When we go to depredate the local coyotes, unless we use a call, we don't see them very close in the open fields, but we know where the marker stakes are.
I do agree closer is better for the larger animal if using .308.
But if the round used will deliver the energy and transfer it, and the shooter is capable, the distance is really not consequential. Well, other than you must then go fetch the game that far away and back again!
I did not mean to mislead anyone in comparing a sporter barrel to a military grade sniper rifle. Since most military barrels are chromed and use a completely different kind of stability medium. Sporter riflings are extremely damaging to bullet flight and there is no comparison.
You know your stuff for sure.
[Actually, 600 yards is when the snipers begin to utilize the ballistic advantage of long distance shooting. The 600 yard zero is standard.]
You have that right! 600 is like Fish in a barrel, barndoor close for most trained Army Snipers. That is where we begin!
Funny stuff. I’m still chucklin’.
Who or what is that?
He got up before sunrise and into his hide, then waited all day until the sun was at his back, then scoped the glint off the other sniper's glass, and put a hole in it.
I think that story has been proven false tho the Russian sniper was real and really did kill a lot of Germans.
7.62x? Thanks for the recommendation. I’ve noticed that the various offerings are fairly inexpensive. Do you recommend one in particular?
Wow! I will keep that in mind.
LOL! Well stated! This thread is well on its way!
Thank you for your service and I appreciate your advice.
I have 2 of the old WWII Russian ones with no rubber butt.. Kicks like a mule.. I paid $140 for each of them... You can find them listed on the internet!
Thanks. I shot a friend’s Nagant last month and absolutely loved it and I have put it on my list becasue it is so inexpensive to own and shoot. I wasn’t sure if it would be suitable to do what I want or not.
Well you didn’t read my original post clearly as I’ve said throughout this thread that I am not shooting at animals at 600 yards. I just enjoy target practicing at post-600.
And it cost me around 500 bucks to build it.
Wow! Thank you for posting that. I’d never heard of him. What a legend he was!
Knowing the combo that works for you is the most important thing. I do appreciate all of the advice and info from everyone. Thanks for the recommendation.
I would choose the Rock River .308, of the choices you posted. I have and had many accurate bolt guns, but love shooting semi-autos more. The RRA will deliver bolt gun accuracy and the .308 is more than adequate for North American deer/Elk out to 300 yards.
Some of these post are hilarious in their silliness...
Thanks. I’ll do some checking on that.
What were the specifics of the charges and what was he using?
No, I read your original post. I gathered that. Read all of my posts to others on this thread. I point out how you can easily take those kind of shots. I have taken countless 600 plus shots at Caribou, Elk, Deer, Sheep, etc. The only exception to that would be Bear.
Many times, a client would take the leg off an animal from closer range, and I would have to stop it from getting away. I have taken shots at 1,000 before. A good range finder is worth it’s weight in Gold.
I always stalk to at least 200 though. It’s the only ethical thing to do.
Thank you. I will check that out.
My Remington M700 .308 with the 5R MilSpec barrel groups like yours. Great rifle - mine likes the Sierra 168 HPBT match at around 2650 fps.
You should chunk your MOA calculator and get a new one.
Obviously, you have very little “Bolt gun” experience.
If what you said were true, then the best shooters at Camp Perry would surely be using them. But last time I checked, about all you would get from a claim like that on the range at Camp Perry, would be uncontrollable laughing.
I see. I love stories like that.
Thanks. I’m enjoying some of these answers.
I have always had great results from a #5 in the .308. But for 7mm, it seems like a #6 works better. Something to do with harmonics.
Thanks, I’ve been looking at the Remingtons at their website. They have so many to choose from as 700s.
Your post gets funnier each time I read it! Thanks for the great laugh!
He told me he had bought a new gun. I asked him what he got and IIRC it was a .338. I asked him why he got it, and that's what he told me.
Never heard of Service Rifle, huh?
And once again, reading comprehension is really lacking here. Nowhere did Ralph say he was going to compete at Camp Perry, or anywhere else. I like that choice because it will outshoot most out of the box bolt guns and it is something different.
As to some of your other comments about light rifles and accuracy and range... Yeah, you probably haven’t read as much as you think.
Years ago, I started going to gun shows, used gun shops, etc, and bought good sound actions all by themselves, without paying for cosmetics. Or I would look for a rifle with a badly beat up stock and barrel, with a very good action. (Learn what to look for)
Then, buy the action at a rock bottom price, (under 150 dollars.) Take it to a good gun smith who charges reasonable prices, have them accurize the bolt, locking lugs, rebarrel it in a target grade model, and chamber it for what ever your heart desires. Then bed it in a super hot camo composite with matching pattern on the barrel.
There you have it, a custom tack-driver for under a grand. And it will be built to fit you. It's the only way I will go, and it cannot be beat by any mass manufacturer. Period.
Oh no, I have the service record to prove what I know about Ballistics and shooting platforms. And you might take your own advice in regards to “reading comprehension”.
300 Win Mag is good for LR....or use 308 with 200+ grain bullet.
What you need is the Glock “Bambi Maker” in .45 ACP magnum magnum, with dilithium crystal sights, and integral forward assist Arabic language translator.
I’d tell you to reload the brass to keep costs down, but if you ever obtained the security clearance high enough to learn how, you’d have to kill me for suspecting it can be done.
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