Posted on 12/17/2011 9:34:30 AM PST by rabidralph
I am looking to buy a rifle that would serve two purposes: primarily a long-distance shooter and secondarily a larger game taker downer :-)
I like to shoot beyond 600 yards and I want a rifle to suit that purpose. From info I've gathered, I should get a larger-calibered rifle, with at least a 24" barrel. I would like to keep the rifle below 10lbs because I also want to hunt with it some day. I am interested in hunting elk and moose, eventually. So I am thinking of a .308.
Very interesting site. Thanks!
The story is false.
There used to be a poster on FR who was very knowledgeable on military matters. He posted his opus and said he was never coming back to FR. I was just about to do the same thing but FR got rid of the ones who were banning conservative posters and I am glad I stayed.
I wish he would come back but he said he never would and was true to his word.
This guy, who a lot of people here remember well, mentioned that he actually met Zaitsev in Russia. He said as a matter of fact, that Zaitsev himself never claimed the story was true. It was finally proven when after the war, German records showed there was no such man as Major Koenig from the German Sniper School.
The story has been published as fact in many articles and probably historical documents, but it was not true. I can’t blame anyone who believes it as I was one of them.
Today, you see all that trademark camo paint on most new rifles, etc, all of which has led to less attention to quality machine works. Instead, they cover it up the crude workmanship with lots of heavy paint and cosmetics.
what ever you chose to do, have lots of fun doing it! That's what it is all about in the long run. And if anarchy does break out, you can take your attackers out before they even know you are there. (Priceless)
Have a great day, and thanks for the great thread FRiend!
Thank you.
LOL! Here in Wisconsin, we just got concealed carry and the gun stores are busier than ever.
I have a father-in-law that can’t seem to put a deer down hard at 25 yds. I know other people who simply shouldn’t take a 100 yd shot.
Between the ages of 15-25, I shot a .25-06 that shot much inside minute of angle. If my rounds didn’t overlap at 100 yds, I considered it a flier. My rifle skills were excellent. I shot prairie dogs at 500 yd and more than once I opted to shoot a standing deer in the upper throat at 200-400 yds (because I didn’t like a messy field cleaning job.
I never took a shot at a deer in excess of 500 yds, but I did pass on shooting a prone shot at a large buck that was laying down. To this day, I’m very certain that I would have hit heart and lungs.
So, what is an appropriate shot? One that the rifle and you can reasonably make with high confidence. I’m not as confident now as I used to be, but I wouldn’t hesitate on a 400 yd steady shot on heart and lungs.
I’ve pretty much settled on the 150 gr myself.
Anything under 150 can make a pretty good mess on the exit side.
Great idea! I will talk to the gun nut, who works in a gun shop. Have a great evening!
Thanks, but my firearms expertise is more country boy skills, primarily focused on putting something tasty on the table.
Certainly enjoy learning tech facts from folks who know more.
Thanks, but my firearms expertise is more country boy skills, primarily focused on putting something tasty on the table.
Certainly enjoy learning tech facts from folks who know more.
You are not a sniper. You are not at “war” with wildlife.
600 yards is the outside limit for trained USMC “Dedicated Marksman” with some of the best most expensive & excellent equipment.
Well said, and thanks for saying it. The most accomplished deer hunter I ever knew, who btw happened to be one of the finest gentlemen I ever knew, was a guy from Beckham County in western Oklahoma - wide-open rifle hunting country for the most part. His numero uno hunting rifle was a Remington model 742 in .243 Winchester. I once asked him what was the longest range he'd ever killed a deer at, and his answer was "Oh, I don't know... hundred and fifty yards, maybe two hundred..."
Sounds like the OP is a bit new to the rifle world and just needs to ask the right questions, which he seems to be doing. He'll probably end up needing more than one rifle, which of course is a good thing.
He might like a good bolt gun in .260 Remington to start with, JMHO...
By inference your long-distance rifle hunting does serve the reason stated in the Second. What good is a citizen militia against a sniper, unless the citizens themselves have trained to snipe, and as Blackstone suggests, that means training during game hunting.
Enjoy. Use eye and ear protection at the range. Save your empties and start reloading when you've got about 500 rounds of brass.
After you've learned some stuff take a non-shooter shooting with you, but never an arrogant non-shooter.
Sorry, pounds not rounds.
>>...I like to shoot beyond 600 yards and...I am interested in hunting elk and moose, eventually. So I am thinking of a .308...<<
No offense, but your post is incredibly naive to the point of being suspect as a troll.
Would you share how/what led you to believe a .308 is suitable for elk and moose!? As for the long distance shooting, I hope that’s just targets and not game at those distances.
Thanks. I enjoy shooting very much and I’m looking forward to learning more.
Thanks for my second biggest laugh on this thread.
I would still use it for the 06 but I no longer own one, I have a .300 Winmag now. I miss the 06 though and may buy another one soon, since I used the 06 for most of my life(69 now). The 300 kicks a little too much for my tastes, but it sure drops a deer in it’s tracks:)
Would you share how/what led you to believe a .308 is suitable for elk and moose!?
Excuse me but your reply to rabidralph shows that you are the naive one. 30-06 and 308 have been dropping Elk and Moose for years. In fact when I was a boy I knew Colorado Elk hunters who used a .30-30 with the 170 grn bullet and killed elk every year with them.
As for his shooting at 600 yards he has already explained that and if you had really read his original comment you would know he wasn't talking about taking game at 600 yards.
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