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**RIFLE VANITY** Long-Distance Shooting and Hunting
12/17/2011 | Moi

Posted on 12/17/2011 9:34:30 AM PST by rabidralph

I am looking to buy a rifle that would serve two purposes: primarily a long-distance shooter and secondarily a larger game taker downer :-)

I like to shoot beyond 600 yards and I want a rifle to suit that purpose. From info I've gathered, I should get a larger-calibered rifle, with at least a 24" barrel. I would like to keep the rifle below 10lbs because I also want to hunt with it some day. I am interested in hunting elk and moose, eventually. So I am thinking of a .308.


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Rifles that I've seen online that I like are, in no particular order:

I've fired a friend's Model 70 7mm and I have a Browning .270 for deer hunting but I'd like to get another rifle for this upgraded purpose. I'd appreciate FReeper comments on pros and cons of these rifles where my goals are concerned and your experiences with any of these firearms and other recommendations.

Thanks and Merry Christmas to you all!

1 posted on 12/17/2011 9:34:38 AM PST by rabidralph
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To: rabidralph

I recommend the 300 Weatherby Magnum . This rifle is exacty what you want.


2 posted on 12/17/2011 9:36:51 AM PST by CGalen
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To: rabidralph

Taking shots at animals beyond 250 - 300 yards is not good sportsmanship.

You are not a sniper. You are not at “war” with wildlife.

600 yards is the outside limit for trained USMC “Dedicated Marksman” with some of the best most expensive & excellent equipment.

I have had met people over the years that bragged about their long shots taken; how many feet high and in front they had to lead the animal. Ridiculous.

Stalk within range or wait for a better opportunity. Or perhaps you just like to play sniper...


3 posted on 12/17/2011 9:38:58 AM PST by macquire
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To: rabidralph

For elk and moose I’d recommend something with a bit more punch than .308, especially at those distances.


4 posted on 12/17/2011 9:39:05 AM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: rabidralph
When you care enough to send the very best.


5 posted on 12/17/2011 9:39:38 AM PST by Errant
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To: rabidralph

You may want to think about something like a .300 Weatherby or .300 Win Mag. The .308 certainly has 600 yard range and good accuracy but may be marginal for elk and moose, particularly at longer ranges. As always bullet placement is critical.


6 posted on 12/17/2011 9:39:59 AM PST by technically right
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To: rabidralph

PS:

Long distance shooting is NOT hunting.


7 posted on 12/17/2011 9:40:34 AM PST by macquire
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To: rabidralph
So I am thinking of a .308.

Not for shooting at large game at 600 yards, you're not. .338 Lapua is more in line with your requirements. Or a .416 Barrett.

8 posted on 12/17/2011 9:41:13 AM PST by Disambiguator
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To: CGalen
Thank you. I am not familiar with the quality of their firearms. What else can you tell me about them? All my knowledge about hunting and rifles has come from talking to friends and family and reading info on the gun websites.

I also should mention I want a rifle that is reasonable to buy ammo for and/or reasonably priced to reload, if that makes a difference in recommendations.

9 posted on 12/17/2011 9:41:30 AM PST by rabidralph
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To: rabidralph
This is what you need: 98bravo
10 posted on 12/17/2011 9:41:57 AM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: CGalen
"I recommend the 300 Weatherby Magnum . This rifle is exacty what you want."

I agree...yet am still loyal to my old Winchester model 100 .308

11 posted on 12/17/2011 9:42:16 AM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: rabidralph

You are about to get a million replies.

To meet everything you’ve said, I thin you would be just fine with the .30-06. Especially with the new Hornady factory loads that put it on par with the .300 mags without the additional recoil (longer pressure hold without greater peak pressure).


12 posted on 12/17/2011 9:43:22 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: rabidralph

Well, none of the cartridges that you need to do what you want will be cheap. Either as a factory load or reloading yourself.


13 posted on 12/17/2011 9:44:53 AM PST by technically right
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To: rabidralph

I would recommend against shooting beyond 600 yards. You have a duty to give the animal in question a clean kill. An error of a few inches is enough to wound, and give an animal a painful lingering death. Over 600 yards, wind can give you such an error.

If you intend to shoot beyond 300 yards, at game, you have to use a heavy bullet to reduce the effect of wind. the .50BMG or .510DTC a commercial equivalent, would give you the best chance, but be cautious about shooting such a round from a 10 lb rifle. You would absolutely need a blast compensator, robust shooting glasses, and double hearing protection.


14 posted on 12/17/2011 9:47:35 AM PST by donmeaker (e is trancendental)
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To: macquire

I am not shooting at animals beyond 250. I want a rifle with a large enough caliber to shoot Moose and Elk at reasonable distances but I also want to use it for long distance targets. Two different purposes with one rifle. I don’t have money to buy a rifle for every purpose. Thanks.


15 posted on 12/17/2011 9:47:41 AM PST by rabidralph
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To: rabidralph

Here we go. I love it when someone posts one of these “What kind of gun should I get?” vanities. Lots of fun—I learn so much. Let’s see if we can make it one of those 500 post threads!


16 posted on 12/17/2011 9:49:19 AM PST by ottbmare (off-the-track Thoroughbred mare)
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To: rabidralph

My apologies.


17 posted on 12/17/2011 9:49:27 AM PST by macquire
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To: macquire
You are not at “war” with wildlife.

I am with coyote and feral pigs.

If it takes a 400 yard shot to get them, then that's what it takes.

/johnny

18 posted on 12/17/2011 9:50:38 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: macquire
Taking shots at animals beyond 250 - 300 yards is not good sportsmanship.
You are not a sniper. You are not at “war” with wildlife.

I hope you don't use anything other than a club, as that would be bad sportsmanship.

Hunting is harvesting, whether someone finds "sport" in it is secondary, and I guarantee you meaningless to the animal getting shot. Indeed, I'm sure they would prefer a clean, surprise kill at 600 yd to being chased down and clubbed to death.

If the individual is capable of making a good shot at 600 yards, there isn't a thing wrong with taking it. Taking your preaching somewhere else, where people like to be told how to live their lives by people who profess to know better.

19 posted on 12/17/2011 9:51:13 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: technically right
I'm sorry if my original post was unclear.

1. I like to target practice at long distances.

2. I want to shoot larger game, but not at 600 yards--150 yards at the most.

But I want one rifle that can serve two purposes.

20 posted on 12/17/2011 9:51:24 AM PST by rabidralph
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To: rabidralph

You may consider a .408 cheytac for long range target shooting.


21 posted on 12/17/2011 9:53:14 AM PST by donmeaker (e is trancendental)
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To: rabidralph

.338 Win Mag or Lapua. One of the most accurate rifles I ever owned was a BAR I bought back in ‘71. My eyes were stronger then, but it was good on ground squirrels with iron sights out to about 150 yards.

On larger targets it was probably good to 600+.


22 posted on 12/17/2011 9:55:02 AM PST by x1stcav (I'm voting for anyone in 2012 but an Ivy Leager.)
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To: Lurker

I’m not shooting moose and elk at 600. I want to only target practice beyond 600.


23 posted on 12/17/2011 9:55:20 AM PST by rabidralph
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To: rabidralph
Sako 85 Classic. Accuracy for distance shooting, great knockdown power for hunting in the 150-250yd distance. Weight is nice, bluing is outstanding and the stock in gorgeous. The Finns know how to build a fine rifle.

http://www.sako.fi/pdf/specs/85Classic.pdf

24 posted on 12/17/2011 9:55:55 AM PST by 41Thunder (The SUPPLY of Government is GREATER than the DEMAND of the people)
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To: rabidralph
Given your constraints, I'd look at getting a bolt action Remington or lower priced Savage in either 30-06 or 300 Mag and add recoil reduction and a bi-pod. You're going to need a good scope and that can set you back as much one of the rifles above.

If you plan on shooting a lot, get into reloading which will greatly reduce your costs.

25 posted on 12/17/2011 9:56:35 AM PST by Errant
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To: rabidralph

The functionality that you describe is the .460 class rifle:

.457 through .460 and there are a lot of them.

The rounds are expensive (2.00 per round)to buy as factory loads but they are cheap to reload. I reload .45-70 for about .14 per round for a 405 grain bullet. If I plink with a round ball, they cost about 5 cents apiece. If you get a long barreled rifle, you can also shoot black powder and use it as a 48 gauge shotgun.

The most fun you can have with a rifle is the .45-70. Endlessly entertaining. And they will splash anything on the planet.

Ruger #1 might be just the ticket, or Pedersoli has some rolling block models that are quite beautiful. H&R of course has their Buffalo Classic in .45-70 which is very popular and a good large critter rifle as well as accurate at 1000 yards.


26 posted on 12/17/2011 9:57:02 AM PST by buffaloguy
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To: rabidralph

I hunt for deer, elk, moose and bear. A 1993 Browning A-bolt Medallion in 7mm RM is all I’ve ever used. It shot sub minute of angle right out of the box. 7mm has a great ballistic co-effient, shoots flat and will take the largest north american game easily. Using 165 grain nosler partition at 100yards, I once shot through a 6’6” black bear lengthwise.

I have never tried to shoot an animal in excess of 400 yards and would not recommend it unless you are a freakishly good shot.

I’ve seen what a .300WM will do. It is a killer for sure. It also destroys a lot of meat in the process.


27 posted on 12/17/2011 9:57:28 AM PST by Melinator (my 2 cents)
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To: rabidralph

For outright varmint shooting like prairie dogs out to 600yds (if you’re into that sort of thing) I have a .22-250 which is sighted in at 500yds. I use a 4,000fps round for it.


28 posted on 12/17/2011 9:57:43 AM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: ottbmare
LOL! This thread will only be beneficial to me if people read what I've actually asked advice on. I am not shooting animals at 600 yards. I enjoy the challenge of shooting long-distance targets but I will shoot the game within 200 yards.
29 posted on 12/17/2011 9:59:07 AM PST by rabidralph
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To: rabidralph
I think your original post was pretty clear. Based on your requirements, I think the poster that suggested the 308 winchester hit the nail on the head (if you will excuse the pun).

It all boils down to bullet placement. I have used a 30 calibre weapon in Africa with a 165 grain bullet that has taken everything from elk sized game down to coyote sized game.

The recoil is relatively mild and ammo is less expensive than the whiz-bang magnums.

Which make? Go to a gun store and try different weapons and see which one fits you best as far as price, cheek placement, etc. Be careful though, you may end up with a safe full of weapons.

30 posted on 12/17/2011 10:00:30 AM PST by Glennb51
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To: rabidralph
I am not shooting at animals beyond 250. I want a rifle with a large enough caliber to shoot Moose and Elk at reasonable distances but I also want to use it for long distance targets. Two different purposes with one rifle. I don’t have money to buy a rifle for every purpose. Thanks.

I'm glad you made this second comment. I was about to go postal on several of the FReepers on here who can't seem to read. You made it perfectly clear in your post you were wanting to target shoot out to 600 yards but were going to hunt at normal ranges. Why else would you ask for a rifle that could do both?

I think reading comprehension classes would help many of our FReepers.

31 posted on 12/17/2011 10:00:45 AM PST by calex59
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To: rabidralph

Might want to consider a 338 RUM, as well.


32 posted on 12/17/2011 10:01:05 AM PST by CaspersGh0sts
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To: gorush; CGalen

Thanks for the recommendation. I’m not familiar with Weatherby but I will check them out. And their rifles seem reasonably priced.


33 posted on 12/17/2011 10:01:37 AM PST by rabidralph
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To: rabidralph
If you want to shoot critters at long range go after prairie dogs with a .243 Win. in a Weatherby Vanguard Varmint Sub MOA. For big game keep your shots under 400 yds. Use a 300 Mag. ,340 WM, .325wsm, or any thing in that class standard or wildcat. Practice shooting at unknown distances and and doping the wind.
34 posted on 12/17/2011 10:02:13 AM PST by MCF
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To: rabidralph

Before you buy check the game laws in the states you plan on hunting in.

They may require something with more power than a .308 for the larger game.


35 posted on 12/17/2011 10:04:04 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: rabidralph

Thanks for clearing that up for me. Any of the platforms you mentioned would be suitable for those purposes but as I said I’d prefer something a little heavier than .308 for the game animals you’re after.

Just a personal preference.


36 posted on 12/17/2011 10:04:04 AM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Glennb51
I have used a 30 calibre weapon in Africa with a 165 grain bullet that has taken everything from elk sized game down to coyote sized game.

I agree with the 165 grain bullet, my favorite for .30-06 and .308. I also use them with my .300 Winchester Mag. Better sectional density than the 150 and flatter trajectory than the 180.

37 posted on 12/17/2011 10:04:04 AM PST by calex59
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To: rabidralph

7mm.06 is highly recommended.


38 posted on 12/17/2011 10:05:56 AM PST by arrdon (Never underestimate the stupidity of the American voter.)
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To: calex59

Good golly! Thank you, for comprehending!


39 posted on 12/17/2011 10:07:47 AM PST by rabidralph
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To: SampleMan

Thanks :-)


40 posted on 12/17/2011 10:08:22 AM PST by rabidralph
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To: rabidralph
“But I want one rifle that can serve two purposes.”

30-06 comes in a wide variety of weight and chambered by virtually all manufacturers. It always was the workhorse for hunting and is plentifull and relatively cheap. Keep the range back to 150 yd max as another FReeper said. In practical terms most shots worked out to about to 80-100yds. Good hunting skills coupled with carefull shot placement goes a long way.

41 posted on 12/17/2011 10:08:36 AM PST by Polynikes (Hakkaa Palle)
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To: donmeaker

Since you are not going to shoot game beyond 300 yards and want an accurate rifle for long range target shooting, just about any high powered rifle rifle should do the job.

I think the .270, 30-06, 308 and even the 6.5 Swedish Mauser would do the job. If you don’t mind a bit more recoil then the 7mm Remington Mag, all the .300 mags, and the 8mm Remington would all produce more than enough power.


42 posted on 12/17/2011 10:10:53 AM PST by yarddog
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To: calex59

I think you and I are the only ones who prefer the 165 grain bullet. Almost everything I have read says use the 180. I use the 165 fro exactly the reasons you describe. Good hunting!


43 posted on 12/17/2011 10:11:04 AM PST by Glennb51
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To: 41Thunder

Thanks, I’ll check into it.


44 posted on 12/17/2011 10:12:05 AM PST by rabidralph
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To: rabidralph

Consider a Savage 110 in .30-06. The round is cheap, the rifle accurate, yet inexpensive, and .30-06 will take down any North American game with the right bullet. There is also a wide range of components available for reloading including different bullet weights and compositions.


45 posted on 12/17/2011 10:12:05 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Errant

Thanks. I do plan on learning reloading at some point. I have a few friends who are willing to show me how it’s done.


46 posted on 12/17/2011 10:13:32 AM PST by rabidralph
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rabidralph; no offense, but if you can't afford to get a 600-yard target rifle, my advice is to keep saving up until you can.

Most of the cartriges mentioned already will perform adequately, but it is ultimately the rifle that dictates accuracy.

You should strive for a top-quality bolt action that is built for accuracy, and that means custom, not off the shelf.

Then you need to work up the best-performing handload for that particular rifle.

This is assuming that you can do your part, which usually takes considerable practice.

As far as taking a large animal, I don't know why anyone would take a target rifle out in the weather and subject it to casual handling.

47 posted on 12/17/2011 10:14:27 AM PST by Designer (Nit-pickin' and chagrinin')
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To: macquire

Apologies accepted :-)


48 posted on 12/17/2011 10:16:04 AM PST by rabidralph
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To: rabidralph
I prefer Savage for long range precision shooting.

6.5 - 7 mm for flat shooting.


49 posted on 12/17/2011 10:16:48 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Glennb51
I think you and I are the only ones who prefer the 165 grain bullet. Pretty much my favorite as well for a .30 caliber round.
50 posted on 12/17/2011 10:17:06 AM PST by Errant
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